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mavcarter #NATC
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Posted: 03/02/18 11:20 am ::: Swoopes vs Moore |
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All players have won 4 championships, just curious to see if people would build their team around a prime Swoopes or prime Moore._________________
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pilight
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Posted: 03/02/18 11:43 am ::: |
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Swoopes was a welterweight while Moore is a light heavyweight. Should be a mismatch.
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Genero36
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Posted: 03/02/18 11:48 am ::: |
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I respect Maya as an all-time great but she isn't near Swoopes on that list. I'd take Catch before Moore.
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Posted: 03/02/18 11:51 am ::: |
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Genero36 wrote: |
I respect Maya as an all-time great but she isn't near Swoopes on that list. I'd take Catch before Moore. |
+1
Swoopes & Catch could shut down a whole side on defense maya has not reached that plateau yet .
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pilight
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Posted: 03/02/18 12:05 pm ::: |
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WNBA 09 wrote: |
Genero36 wrote: |
I respect Maya as an all-time great but she isn't near Swoopes on that list. I'd take Catch before Moore. |
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Swoopes & Catch could shut down a whole side on defense maya has not reached that plateau yet . |
Yeah, Swoopes shut down a whole side when Lady Grooms was a starter. The talent level in the league is so much higher now that it's hard to make a comparison.
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adamj95
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Posted: 03/02/18 12:08 pm ::: |
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I never saw Swoopes play in her prime but if people are picking her over Maya she must have been amazing. My pick goes to Maya just because I’m biased.
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mavcarter #NATC
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Posted: 03/02/18 12:14 pm ::: |
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Yeah, Swoopes shut down a whole side when Lady Grooms was a starter. The talent level in the league is so much higher now that it's hard to make a comparison. |
Good point, Swoopes didn't have to deal with players who had the talent in comparison to Taurasi, Pondexter, Augustus, McCoughtry, or Moore on a consistent basis back in the day..._________________
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Genero36
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Posted: 03/02/18 12:41 pm ::: |
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adamj95 wrote: |
I never saw Swoopes play in her prime but if people are picking her over Maya she must have been amazing. My pick goes to Maya just because I’m biased. |
That's fair. Maya deserves respect too.
I wish there were more games available online of Sheryl at her best because you couldn't believe it even when you saw it.
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calbearman76
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Posted: 03/02/18 1:00 pm ::: |
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I take Moore. Swoopes was a better defender, second to Catchings among non-centers for defense, but Moore's offense is sufficiently better so I put her just ahead.
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justintyme
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Posted: 03/02/18 1:07 pm ::: |
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Honestly it isn't on court talent that tips this in favor of Maya, IMO. It's that I want a Superstar with her personality if I am building a franchise. As good as the Comets and Swoopes were, they had some significant personality clashes.
Maya is the epitome of a team player who gets along with literally everyone. And a leader with that personality type shapes a team in that image.
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Randy
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Posted: 03/02/18 2:21 pm ::: |
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justintyme wrote: |
Maya is the epitome of a team player who gets along with literally everyone. And a leader with that personality type shapes a team in that image. |
Just to get it out of the way, I voted for Moore. My question though is about being the team leader. Is Moore really the take charge leader of the Lynx? On the Dream there is no question it was Angel; on the Fever it was Catchings, the Liberty it's Tina, and on the Mystics/Sky it was Elana.* On the Lynx though, it isn't clear to me that Moore is that take charge leader, but I don't watch that many Lynx games so maybe I just don't know. Is that how Lynx fans see her? I sort of thought it was Whalen recently and before that Augustus.
*As an aside, I'm pretty sure not all the players on that list are the ideal "team players".
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justintyme
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Posted: 03/02/18 2:37 pm ::: |
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The Lynx are lucky in that they have multiple "leaders" who all take over at times. Which is kind of what I was talking about with Moore. She is a leader who lets others step up as well without getting a bruised ego. She is the queen of chemistry.
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Posted: 03/02/18 4:10 pm ::: |
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Randy wrote: |
justintyme wrote: |
Maya is the epitome of a team player who gets along with literally everyone. And a leader with that personality type shapes a team in that image. |
Just to get it out of the way, I voted for Moore. My question though is about being the team leader. Is Moore really the take charge leader of the Lynx? On the Dream there is no question it was Angel; on the Fever it was Catchings, the Liberty it's Tina, and on the Mystics/Sky it was Elana.* On the Lynx though, it isn't clear to me that Moore is that take charge leader, but I don't watch that many Lynx games so maybe I just don't know. Is that how Lynx fans see her? I sort of thought it was Whalen recently and before that Augustus.
*As an aside, I'm pretty sure not all the players on that list are the ideal "team players". |
To me, the hands down leader on the Lynx is Whalen.
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Posted: 03/02/18 4:14 pm ::: |
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sportsfan48 wrote: |
Randy wrote: |
justintyme wrote: |
Maya is the epitome of a team player who gets along with literally everyone. And a leader with that personality type shapes a team in that image. |
Just to get it out of the way, I voted for Moore. My question though is about being the team leader. Is Moore really the take charge leader of the Lynx? On the Dream there is no question it was Angel; on the Fever it was Catchings, the Liberty it's Tina, and on the Mystics/Sky it was Elana.* On the Lynx though, it isn't clear to me that Moore is that take charge leader, but I don't watch that many Lynx games so maybe I just don't know. Is that how Lynx fans see her? I sort of thought it was Whalen recently and before that Augustus.
*As an aside, I'm pretty sure not all the players on that list are the ideal "team players". |
To me, the hands down leader on the Lynx is Whalen. |
No doubt about it ...+1
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Luuuc #NATC
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Posted: 03/02/18 7:24 pm ::: |
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justintyme wrote: |
The Lynx are lucky in that they have multiple "leaders" who all take over at times. Which is kind of what I was talking about with Moore. She is a leader who lets others step up as well without getting a bruised ego. She is the queen of chemistry. |
There's nothing wrong with leading by letting your game do the talking instead of your mouth.
SS certainly wasn't the queen of chemistry, but it didn't matter because she was damn good. IMO she impacted games a lot more than MM does, but the earlier point is valid too in that it was an era of less talent, and of the talent that there was in the league, about half of it was wearing her team's colours.
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toad455
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Posted: 03/02/18 7:28 pm ::: |
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Just on defense alone Swoopes was better. This isn't an even contest. Swoopes 100%!
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Posted: 03/02/18 7:51 pm ::: |
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Gotta go Swoopes on this one. She won in ‘92 had a baby and came back to play in ‘96. No WNBA 4 years of her prime. She never had a stacked team. Maya hasn’t known a team that was so heavily on her shoulders except the year she lost in college. She is not even the best player on her team.
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adamj95
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Posted: 03/02/18 8:00 pm ::: |
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Skyfan22 wrote: |
Gotta go Swoopes on this one. She won in ‘92 had a baby and came back to play in ‘96. No WNBA 4 years of her prime. She never had a stacked team. Maya hasn’t known a team that was so heavily on her shoulders except the year she lost in college. She is not even the best player on her team. |
Swoopes, Thompson, and Cooper wasn’t a stacked team? I didn’t want the league back then but wouldn’t that be comparable to Whalen, Augustus, and Moore?
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Posted: 03/02/18 8:01 pm ::: |
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Skyfan22 wrote: |
She never had a stacked team. |
How much more stacked could it get?
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Maya hasn’t known a team that was so heavily on her shoulders except the year she lost in college. |
Her MVP year weighed heavily on her shoulders.
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She is not even the best player on her team. |
She just transformed a bad franchise is all.
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Posted: 03/02/18 8:16 pm ::: |
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adamj95 wrote: |
Skyfan22 wrote: |
Gotta go Swoopes on this one. She won in ‘92 had a baby and came back to play in ‘96. No WNBA 4 years of her prime. She never had a stacked team. Maya hasn’t known a team that was so heavily on her shoulders except the year she lost in college. She is not even the best player on her team. |
Swoopes, Thompson, and Cooper wasn’t a stacked team? I didn’t want the league back then but wouldn’t that be comparable to Whalen, Augustus, and Moore? |
Yeah i agree with Skyfan on everything except the stacked team part. In the beginning years SS22 had a stacked team with Coop, Thompson & Arcain...but id say Year 2000 is when she took off with a stacked team or not .
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Aladyyn
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Posted: 03/02/18 10:56 pm ::: |
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Ok, Fowles was better than Maya in 2017. What about the previous 3 titles? Specifically the 2 she won without Fowles? Swoopes won 0 after Cooper retired. None of the team based arguments go in Swoopes' favor.
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Posted: 03/03/18 1:06 am ::: |
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She never had a stacked team. |
How much more stacked could it get?
Comets never had a top point guard to run the show. To my recollection, center was filled by committee, with Tina having to take on the biggest threat in the post.
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Maya hasn’t known a team that was so heavily on her shoulders except the year she lost in college. |
Her MVP year weighed heavily on her shoulders.
Swoopes nearly single handedly took Texas tech a perennial nobody to a championship. Moore took a perennial champion to—— Not
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She is not even the best player on her team. |
She just transformed a bad franchise is all. |
With the help of a returning Augustus, Whalen and the beast Brunson. That first year or 2 I’d give the fire and drive of Mone more value then adding in Moore.
But, as I think about it, The best player on the Houston Comets arguably was Cooper.
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Posted: 03/03/18 1:17 am ::: |
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Ok, Fowles was better than Maya in 2017. What about the previous 3 titles? Specifically the 2 she won without Fowles? Swoopes won 0 after Cooper retired. None of the team based arguments go in Swoopes' favor. |
Hmmm,I believe both titles that Syl won as a Lynx, she was MVP of the finals. And kind of to the extent that it was beyond question. If we remove Syl, the finals MVP, do the lynx win 2 more titles? After cooper left then Swoopes played as part of the big 2 + arcain. When has maya not been comfortably positioned around 3 other stars, or more?
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Posted: 03/03/18 1:35 am ::: |
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justintyme wrote: |
Maya is the epitome of a team player who gets along with literally everyone. And a leader with that personality type shapes a team in that image. |
Just to get it out of the way, I voted for Moore. My question though is about being the team leader. Is Moore really the take charge leader of the Lynx? On the Dream there is no question it was Angel; on the Fever it was Catchings, the Liberty it's Tina, and on the Mystics/Sky it was Elana.* On the Lynx though, it isn't clear to me that Moore is that take charge leader, but I don't watch that many Lynx games so maybe I just don't know. Is that how Lynx fans see her? I sort of thought it was Whalen recently and before that Augustus. .... |
No, at least I don't.
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