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Sheryl Swoopes or Maya Moore?
Sheryl Swoopes
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Maya Moore
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PostPosted: 03/02/18 11:20 am    ::: Swoopes vs Moore Reply Reply with quote

All players have won 4 championships, just curious to see if people would build their team around a prime Swoopes or prime Moore.


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Swoopes was a welterweight while Moore is a light heavyweight. Should be a mismatch.



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I respect Maya as an all-time great but she isn't near Swoopes on that list. I'd take Catch before Moore.



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I respect Maya as an all-time great but she isn't near Swoopes on that list. I'd take Catch before Moore.


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Swoopes & Catch could shut down a whole side on defense maya has not reached that plateau yet .



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Genero36 wrote:
I respect Maya as an all-time great but she isn't near Swoopes on that list. I'd take Catch before Moore.


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Swoopes & Catch could shut down a whole side on defense maya has not reached that plateau yet .


Yeah, Swoopes shut down a whole side when Lady Grooms was a starter. The talent level in the league is so much higher now that it's hard to make a comparison.



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I never saw Swoopes play in her prime but if people are picking her over Maya she must have been amazing. My pick goes to Maya just because I’m biased.



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Yeah, Swoopes shut down a whole side when Lady Grooms was a starter. The talent level in the league is so much higher now that it's hard to make a comparison.


Good point, Swoopes didn't have to deal with players who had the talent in comparison to Taurasi, Pondexter, Augustus, McCoughtry, or Moore on a consistent basis back in the day...


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I never saw Swoopes play in her prime but if people are picking her over Maya she must have been amazing. My pick goes to Maya just because I’m biased.


That's fair. Maya deserves respect too.

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PostPosted: 03/02/18 1:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I take Moore. Swoopes was a better defender, second to Catchings among non-centers for defense, but Moore's offense is sufficiently better so I put her just ahead.


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Honestly it isn't on court talent that tips this in favor of Maya, IMO. It's that I want a Superstar with her personality if I am building a franchise. As good as the Comets and Swoopes were, they had some significant personality clashes.

Maya is the epitome of a team player who gets along with literally everyone. And a leader with that personality type shapes a team in that image.



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Maya is the epitome of a team player who gets along with literally everyone. And a leader with that personality type shapes a team in that image.


Just to get it out of the way, I voted for Moore. My question though is about being the team leader. Is Moore really the take charge leader of the Lynx? On the Dream there is no question it was Angel; on the Fever it was Catchings, the Liberty it's Tina, and on the Mystics/Sky it was Elana.* On the Lynx though, it isn't clear to me that Moore is that take charge leader, but I don't watch that many Lynx games so maybe I just don't know. Is that how Lynx fans see her? I sort of thought it was Whalen recently and before that Augustus.


*As an aside, I'm pretty sure not all the players on that list are the ideal "team players".



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PostPosted: 03/02/18 2:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The posts would indicate moore would have more votes but the poll is telling a different story Laughing #ReCount #SS22 #Legend #WNBAIcon #1stIcon



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The Lynx are lucky in that they have multiple "leaders" who all take over at times. Which is kind of what I was talking about with Moore. She is a leader who lets others step up as well without getting a bruised ego. She is the queen of chemistry.



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Randy wrote:
justintyme wrote:


Maya is the epitome of a team player who gets along with literally everyone. And a leader with that personality type shapes a team in that image.


Just to get it out of the way, I voted for Moore. My question though is about being the team leader. Is Moore really the take charge leader of the Lynx? On the Dream there is no question it was Angel; on the Fever it was Catchings, the Liberty it's Tina, and on the Mystics/Sky it was Elana.* On the Lynx though, it isn't clear to me that Moore is that take charge leader, but I don't watch that many Lynx games so maybe I just don't know. Is that how Lynx fans see her? I sort of thought it was Whalen recently and before that Augustus.


*As an aside, I'm pretty sure not all the players on that list are the ideal "team players".


To me, the hands down leader on the Lynx is Whalen.


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Randy wrote:
justintyme wrote:


Maya is the epitome of a team player who gets along with literally everyone. And a leader with that personality type shapes a team in that image.


Just to get it out of the way, I voted for Moore. My question though is about being the team leader. Is Moore really the take charge leader of the Lynx? On the Dream there is no question it was Angel; on the Fever it was Catchings, the Liberty it's Tina, and on the Mystics/Sky it was Elana.* On the Lynx though, it isn't clear to me that Moore is that take charge leader, but I don't watch that many Lynx games so maybe I just don't know. Is that how Lynx fans see her? I sort of thought it was Whalen recently and before that Augustus.


*As an aside, I'm pretty sure not all the players on that list are the ideal "team players".


To me, the hands down leader on the Lynx is Whalen.


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The Lynx are lucky in that they have multiple "leaders" who all take over at times. Which is kind of what I was talking about with Moore. She is a leader who lets others step up as well without getting a bruised ego. She is the queen of chemistry.


There's nothing wrong with leading by letting your game do the talking instead of your mouth.
SS certainly wasn't the queen of chemistry, but it didn't matter because she was damn good. IMO she impacted games a lot more than MM does, but the earlier point is valid too in that it was an era of less talent, and of the talent that there was in the league, about half of it was wearing her team's colours.



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Just on defense alone Swoopes was better. This isn't an even contest. Swoopes 100%!



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Gotta go Swoopes on this one. She won in ‘92 had a baby and came back to play in ‘96. No WNBA 4 years of her prime. She never had a stacked team. Maya hasn’t known a team that was so heavily on her shoulders except the year she lost in college. She is not even the best player on her team.


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Gotta go Swoopes on this one. She won in ‘92 had a baby and came back to play in ‘96. No WNBA 4 years of her prime. She never had a stacked team. Maya hasn’t known a team that was so heavily on her shoulders except the year she lost in college. She is not even the best player on her team.


Swoopes, Thompson, and Cooper wasn’t a stacked team? I didn’t want the league back then but wouldn’t that be comparable to Whalen, Augustus, and Moore?



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Skyfan22 wrote:
She never had a stacked team.


How much more stacked could it get?

Skyfan22 wrote:
Maya hasn’t known a team that was so heavily on her shoulders except the year she lost in college.


Her MVP year weighed heavily on her shoulders.

Skyfan22 wrote:
She is not even the best player on her team.


She just transformed a bad franchise is all.



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Gotta go Swoopes on this one. She won in ‘92 had a baby and came back to play in ‘96. No WNBA 4 years of her prime. She never had a stacked team. Maya hasn’t known a team that was so heavily on her shoulders except the year she lost in college. She is not even the best player on her team.


Swoopes, Thompson, and Cooper wasn’t a stacked team? I didn’t want the league back then but wouldn’t that be comparable to Whalen, Augustus, and Moore?


Yeah i agree with Skyfan on everything except the stacked team part. In the beginning years SS22 had a stacked team with Coop, Thompson & Arcain...but id say Year 2000 is when she took off with a stacked team or not .



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Ok, Fowles was better than Maya in 2017. What about the previous 3 titles? Specifically the 2 she won without Fowles? Swoopes won 0 after Cooper retired. None of the team based arguments go in Swoopes' favor.


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Skyfan22 wrote:
She never had a stacked team.


How much more stacked could it get?

Comets never had a top point guard to run the show. To my recollection, center was filled by committee, with Tina having to take on the biggest threat in the post.

Skyfan22 wrote:
Maya hasn’t known a team that was so heavily on her shoulders except the year she lost in college.


Her MVP year weighed heavily on her shoulders.

Swoopes nearly single handedly took Texas tech a perennial nobody to a championship. Moore took a perennial champion to—— Not

Skyfan22 wrote:
She is not even the best player on her team.


She just transformed a bad franchise is all.


With the help of a returning Augustus, Whalen and the beast Brunson. That first year or 2 I’d give the fire and drive of Mone more value then adding in Moore.

But, as I think about it, The best player on the Houston Comets arguably was Cooper.


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Ok, Fowles was better than Maya in 2017. What about the previous 3 titles? Specifically the 2 she won without Fowles? Swoopes won 0 after Cooper retired. None of the team based arguments go in Swoopes' favor.


Hmmm,I believe both titles that Syl won as a Lynx, she was MVP of the finals. And kind of to the extent that it was beyond question. If we remove Syl, the finals MVP, do the lynx win 2 more titles? After cooper left then Swoopes played as part of the big 2 + arcain. When has maya not been comfortably positioned around 3 other stars, or more?


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Randy wrote:
justintyme wrote:


Maya is the epitome of a team player who gets along with literally everyone. And a leader with that personality type shapes a team in that image.


Just to get it out of the way, I voted for Moore. My question though is about being the team leader. Is Moore really the take charge leader of the Lynx? On the Dream there is no question it was Angel; on the Fever it was Catchings, the Liberty it's Tina, and on the Mystics/Sky it was Elana.* On the Lynx though, it isn't clear to me that Moore is that take charge leader, but I don't watch that many Lynx games so maybe I just don't know. Is that how Lynx fans see her? I sort of thought it was Whalen recently and before that Augustus. ....

No, at least I don't.



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Skyfan22 wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:
Ok, Fowles was better than Maya in 2017. What about the previous 3 titles? Specifically the 2 she won without Fowles? Swoopes won 0 after Cooper retired. None of the team based arguments go in Swoopes' favor.


Hmmm,I believe both titles that Syl won as a Lynx, she was MVP of the finals. And kind of to the extent that it was beyond question. If we remove Syl, the finals MVP, do the lynx win 2 more titles? After cooper left then Swoopes played as part of the big 2 + arcain. When has maya not been comfortably positioned around 3 other stars, or more?


But then again, if Maya doesn’t take over game 3 in 2015, no title for the Lynx.



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After cooper left then Swoopes played as part of the big 2 + arcain


Note that The Comets stopped winning championships at this point



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Skyfan22 wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:
Ok, Fowles was better than Maya in 2017. What about the previous 3 titles? Specifically the 2 she won without Fowles? Swoopes won 0 after Cooper retired. None of the team based arguments go in Swoopes' favor.


Hmmm,I believe both titles that Syl won as a Lynx, she was MVP of the finals. And kind of to the extent that it was beyond question. If we remove Syl, the finals MVP, do the lynx win 2 more titles? After cooper left then Swoopes played as part of the big 2 + arcain. When has maya not been comfortably positioned around 3 other stars, or more?


Cooper won the FMVP for all 4 of the Comets titles. Point to Maya.


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Aladyyn wrote:
Ok, Fowles was better than Maya in 2017. What about the previous 3 titles? Specifically the 2 she won without Fowles? Swoopes won 0 after Cooper retired. None of the team based arguments go in Swoopes' favor.


Hmmm,I believe both titles that Syl won as a Lynx, she was MVP of the finals. And kind of to the extent that it was beyond question. If we remove Syl, the finals MVP, do the lynx win 2 more titles? After cooper left then Swoopes played as part of the big 2 + arcain. When has maya not been comfortably positioned around 3 other stars, or more?


Cooper won the FMVP for all 4 of the Comets titles. Point to Maya.



Yes, it is a close comparison. And I believe Cooper was the best player on that team. I still think Swoopes is better. Maybe it’s because Moore has been surrounded by such support her whole career, but I don’t sense her ability to do it on her own. It would be interesting to see Maya play once her current team moves on. Will she be Able to establish herself Dominance without players to set her up, take some of the defensive pressure off her or be the leader of a team?


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A very tough call ... Swoopes was a much better defender but also a difficult teammate. I would take Moore, but by only the slimmest of margins.



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Skyfan22 wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:
Skyfan22 wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:
Ok, Fowles was better than Maya in 2017. What about the previous 3 titles? Specifically the 2 she won without Fowles? Swoopes won 0 after Cooper retired. None of the team based arguments go in Swoopes' favor.


Hmmm,I believe both titles that Syl won as a Lynx, she was MVP of the finals. And kind of to the extent that it was beyond question. If we remove Syl, the finals MVP, do the lynx win 2 more titles? After cooper left then Swoopes played as part of the big 2 + arcain. When has maya not been comfortably positioned around 3 other stars, or more?


Cooper won the FMVP for all 4 of the Comets titles. Point to Maya.



Yes, it is a close comparison. And I believe Cooper was the best player on that team. I still think Swoopes is better. Maybe it’s because Moore has been surrounded by such support her whole career, but I don’t sense her ability to do it on her own. It would be interesting to see Maya play once her current team moves on. Will she be Able to establish herself Dominance without players to set her up, take some of the defensive pressure off her or be the leader of a team?

While I understand your point and it has some validity, I disagree that "not being able to do it on her own" matters. Why? Because no player can do it on their own. No one player in the modern game of professional American basketball (NBA or WNBA) can single-handedly win a team a championship. Even the greatest stars need a supporting cast, and no matter how good you are if no one else on the team is a threat and team sell out against you, you can and will be shut down more often than not.

But all this feeds my original point, which I think has gotten lost in the noise. The poll question was not asking which player is better, it was asking who to build a franchise around. IMO, these are not the same thing. The reason I would want Moore is that she is the rare Superstar with little to no ego. She is a player that will get along with whatever other personalities I bring in, and as I noted, if I want to win I will need to bring in other stars/superstars. Also, she is a type of player that will do whatever we need to win games, even if that means taking a backseat to another player (as she demonstrated last year when the Lynx retooled their offense to feature Fowles as Reeve felt that was the best way to exploit mismatches against other teams).

And you get all this with a player who is one of the best players in WNBA history? That is who I would want to cornerstone my franchise as I build.



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justintyme wrote:

While I understand your point and it has some validity, I disagree that "not being able to do it on her own" matters. Why? Because no player can do it on their own. No one player in the modern game of professional American basketball (NBA or WNBA) can single-handedly win a team a championship. Even the greatest stars need a supporting cast, and no matter how good you are if no one else on the team is a threat and team sell out against you, you can and will be shut down more often than not.


Especially since people itt love to point at Augustus and Fowles, who have played exactly 0 playoff games as the best player on the Lynx/Sky respectively.


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Feel like this poll is between younger members who never saw Swoopes play and are automatically voting for Moore.



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Feel like this poll is between younger members who never saw Swoopes play and are automatically voting for Moore.

Counterpoint: active players consistently get underrated in all-time discussions, in every sport.


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Skyfan22 wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:
Skyfan22 wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:
Ok, Fowles was better than Maya in 2017. What about the previous 3 titles? Specifically the 2 she won without Fowles? Swoopes won 0 after Cooper retired. None of the team based arguments go in Swoopes' favor.


Hmmm,I believe both titles that Syl won as a Lynx, she was MVP of the finals. And kind of to the extent that it was beyond question. If we remove Syl, the finals MVP, do the lynx win 2 more titles? After cooper left then Swoopes played as part of the big 2 + arcain. When has maya not been comfortably positioned around 3 other stars, or more?


Cooper won the FMVP for all 4 of the Comets titles. Point to Maya.




Yes, it is a close comparison. And I believe Cooper was the best player on that team. I still think Swoopes is better. Maybe it’s because Moore has been surrounded by such support her whole career, but I don’t sense her ability to do it on her own. It would be interesting to see Maya play once her current team moves on. Will she be Able to establish herself Dominance without players to set her up, take some of the defensive pressure off her or be the leader of a team?

While I understand your point and it has some validity, I disagree that "not being able to do it on her own" matters. Why? Because no player can do it on their own. No one player in the modern game of professional American basketball (NBA or WNBA) can single-handedly win a team a championship. Even the greatest stars need a supporting cast, and no matter how good you are if no one else on the team is a threat and team sell out against you, you can and will be shut down more often than not.

But all this feeds my original point, which I think has gotten lost in the noise. The poll question was not asking which player is better, it was asking who to build a franchise around. IMO, these are not the same thing. The reason I would want Moore is that she is the rare Superstar with little to no ego. She is a player that will get along with whatever other personalities I bring in, and as I noted, if I want to win I will need to bring in other stars/superstars. Also, she is a type of player that will do whatever we need to win games, even if that means taking a backseat to another player (as she demonstrated last year when the Lynx retooled their offense to feature Fowles as Reeve felt that was the best way to exploit mismatches against other teams).

And you get all this with a player who is one of the best players in WNBA history? That is who I would want to cornerstone my franchise as I build.


Hmmm, but Maya came to the Lynx with Brunson, Whalen and Mone already in place. If you’re building a team around her, you’re not gonna get to start with all those players. You need the centerpiece of a team. During those lean years to start, especially in today’s climate when players wanna bail, we don’t know that Maya can shoulder that burden. Could she? I am not convinced.


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toad455 wrote:
Feel like this poll is between younger members who never saw Swoopes play and are automatically voting for Moore.


Maybe in general, but I'm an old guy, and I picked Moore.



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I saw both. I'd also pick Moore. Swoopes had the defensive edge, but it's hard to minimize the fact that Moore is on what is always a top 1, 2 or 3 defensive team statistically. Moore is also a more versatile offensive player than Swoopes (though Swoopes was still great) and a better rebounder.



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Feel like this poll is between younger members who never saw Swoopes play and are automatically voting for Moore.


+1 and Yet SS22 has doubled her lead today. 22-16



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Also of note, we're comparing the entirety of Swoopes career with maybe half of Moore's. Maya is 28, when Sheryl was that age she still hadn't won her first MVP award.



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PostPosted: 03/04/18 2:37 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
Also of note, we're comparing the entirety of Swoopes career with maybe half of Moore's. Maya is 28, when Sheryl was that age she still hadn't won her first MVP award.


In pointing this out, it's important to acknowledge that, when Swoopes was the age that Moore was when she was named MVP, the WNBA did not exist, so there's no counterfactual for whether or not she could have won.

[tangent] I have long believed that Moore is overrated, and I stand by that. I hasten to point out, however, that believing that a player is overrated does not require one to believe that a player is not good; it doesn't even require one to believe that a player is not great, merely to believe that the player is not as good as the consensus appears to believe. As was the case with Taurasi, for me, personally, to stipulate Moore's greatness, I'm going to have to see her play at least one season in her professional career where her team isn't loaded. [/tangent]



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You may not have to wait long for that. In fact, it could happen as early as this season if Father Time decides he's given Brunson, Whalen and Augustus a pass long enough. A team with Moore and Fowles is kind of like a revolver with only 2 live rounds - not fully loaded but still very dangerous.



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PostPosted: 03/04/18 2:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Randy wrote:
You may not have to wait long for that. In fact, it could happen as early as this season if Father Time decides he's given Brunson, Whalen and Augustus a pass long enough. A team with Moore and Fowles is kind of like a revolver with only 2 live rounds - not fully loaded but still very dangerous.

The depth of talent still helps cover that up, though. There were times last season where Whalen looked old, but when you're surrounded by all-time talent that isn't nearly as glaring or meaningful. I agree that the parallel universe where Moore was drafted by a genuinely shitty team with limited talent - the sort that usually gets the #1 pick - would be fascinating.

As for the original question, I just don't think I saw enough of Swoopes to offer an educated opinion.



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I'd pick Moore. I think Swoopes was a better player in her prime, but I'd build a franchise around Moore. Great teammate, minimal ego, hard worker and she's been ridiculously successful at every level. Swoopes won 0 titles without Cooper, and Cooper was the driving force behind those 4 titles. Moore has had outstanding team success when she's been the go to player and when she's played second fiddle to another star.


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barryi22 wrote:
I'd pick Moore. I think Swoopes was a better player in her prime, but I'd build a franchise around Moore. Great teammate, minimal ego, hard worker and she's been ridiculously successful at every level. Swoopes won 0 titles without Cooper, and Cooper was the driving force behind those 4 titles. Moore has had outstanding team success when she's been the go to player and when she's played second fiddle to another star.


Just a slight reminder of how The dynasty was almost of not in 1998 if it were not for swoopes game 2 heroics against PhX to save the series when it easily could have been a 2-0 mercury sweep that year.



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PostPosted: 03/05/18 10:47 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

[quote="Silky Johnson"]
pilight wrote:
Also of note, we're comparing the entirety of Swoopes career with maybe half of Moore's. Maya is 28, when Sheryl was that age she still hadn't won her first MVP award.


In pointing this out, it's important to acknowledge that, when Swoopes was the age that Moore was when she was named MVP, the WNBA did not exist, so there's no counterfactual for whether or not she could have won.

[tangent] I have long believed that Moore is overrated, and I stand by that. I hasten to point out, however, that believing that a player is overrated does not require one to believe that a player is not good; it doesn't even require one to believe that a player is not great, merely to believe that the player is not as good as the consensus appears to believe. As was the case with Taurasi, for me, personally, to stipulate Moore's greatness, I'm going to have to see her play at least one season in her professional career where her team isn't loaded. [/tangent][/quot

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PostPosted: 03/05/18 11:08 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Sheryl for defense, but Maya for just about all other facets of the game. Maya has a combination of "wow" basketball athleticism, indefatigable drive and big-playism that I've only seen elsewhere in Catchings, who was not as good an outside shooter as Maya, however.
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:shock: You either haven't watched/followed much women's basketball or are in serious need of glasses.


Nope, more likely you don't know what 'overrated' means. And also, there's different degrees of overrated; you're reacting like me saying that she's overrated is semantically equivalent to me saying that she's no better than Laurie Koehn, or somebody.

The math is simple: if you think she's the GOAT ("Royal" you, not saying that you, @RavenDog, do specifically), and I think she isn't, then that means I think that you have overrated her. Based on what appears to be the consensus on this board, it would seem as though many WNBA fans consider Maya Moore to either be the GOAT women's basketball player, or in the Top 3, all-time. I do not have Moore in my Top 3 all-time, therefore I think she is overrated. Hell, I could have her at #4, and that would still make Top 3 overrated.



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RavenDog wrote:
Shocked You either haven't watched/followed much women's basketball or are in serious need of glasses.


Nope, more likely you don't know what 'overrated' means. And also, there's different degrees of overrated; you're reacting like me saying that she's overrated is semantically equivalent to me saying that she's no better than Laurie Koehn, or somebody.

The math is simple: if you think she's the GOAT ("Royal" you, not saying that you, @RavenDog, do specifically), and I think she isn't, then that means I think that you have overrated her. Based on what appears to be the consensus on this board, it would seem as though many WNBA fans consider Maya Moore to either be the GOAT women's basketball player, or in the Top 3, all-time. I do not have Moore in my Top 3 all-time, therefore I think she is overrated. Hell, I could have her at #4, and that would still make Top 3 overrated.


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PostPosted: 03/05/18 4:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I always thought of "overrated" as being a more disparaging remark than merely just a little bit short of what most other think. Not saying it means Laurie Koehn bad, but certainly not even in the conversation for best ever.



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PostPosted: 03/05/18 4:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Silky Johnson wrote:
RavenDog wrote:
Shocked You either haven't watched/followed much women's basketball or are in serious need of glasses.


Nope, more likely you don't know what 'overrated' means. And also, there's different degrees of overrated; you're reacting like me saying that she's overrated is semantically equivalent to me saying that she's no better than Laurie Koehn, or somebody.

The math is simple: if you think she's the GOAT ("Royal" you, not saying that you, @RavenDog, do specifically), and I think she isn't, then that means I think that you have overrated her. Based on what appears to be the consensus on this board, it would seem as though many WNBA fans consider Maya Moore to either be the GOAT women's basketball player, or in the Top 3, all-time. I do not have Moore in my Top 3 all-time, therefore I think she is overrated. Hell, I could have her at #4, and that would still make Top 3 overrated.

While semantically true, if someone you feel is a top 4 player is typically considered a top 3 player by most others you will only confuse people by arguing that player is "overrated". This is because that is not how the term is typically understood in these sorts of debates. When someone says a player is overrated usually it is by matter of degree (eg: good versus very good, very good versus one of the best ever". Or better yet, by matter of tier. If people have that player as a tier 1 player, and you have them as a tier 2, the it would be common to say you find them "overrated".

But when the difference in something so subjective by nature is only 1 or two spots arguing "overrated" doesn't make much sense, since that sort of difference would be well within the "margin of error", if you will.



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