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so much BS. just digging it deeper.
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In levying a reprimand and fine, the SEC determined that Sterk’s public comments about South Carolina Head Women’s Basketball Coach Dawn Staley during a January 30 radio interview violated SEC Bylaw 10.5.1, which states “Coaches and administrators shall refrain from public criticism of other member institutions, their staff or players.” |
So...isn't this broken all the time? Maybe a bit more subtly, but still...!
And if fans spit on your players, you're not supposed to say anything? Sounds like a Trump rule to me.
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| Posted: 02/23/18 12:31 am ::: |
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I'm really curious about her damages theory.
This looks like just more self-promotion to me.
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| Posted: 02/23/18 12:58 am ::: |
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| When I looked into the laws about libel with regard to a blogger in my town who would slander anyone who publicly opposed any city development project, it looked like you would have to not only prove that any statements made were false (or maybe just demonstrate that the other person had no proof or basis for them), but also that it had negative economic ramifications. Like you were not considered for a job because of the statements, fired, or something similar (endorsements possibly in Staley's case).
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| Posted: 02/23/18 1:46 am ::: |
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| It seems to me that the statements made by Staley towards the officials in the first SC-Mo game were far more defamatory. I'd love to see Staley get sued for those.
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| Posted: 02/23/18 9:16 am ::: |
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The AD already looked bad.
Staley has put herself in the boat with him.
I can't imagine that the SEC is happy with either of them.
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| Posted: 02/23/18 12:47 pm ::: |
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I'm pretty surprised at the responses in this thread actually.
I applaud Staley for pushing the buttons to get this guy fined like he was.
Staley's criticizing after the first game didnt't accuse a coach or admiinstrator by name of fostering an air of hostility like the AD did.
I believe the SEC did investigate the incidents reported by Missouri, and found nothing to support them. But he still said what he did (if I have the order of events correct).
The SEC could have prevented this if they had acted right away, and if an apology was issued.
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| Posted: 02/23/18 12:56 pm ::: |
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| The suit was unnecessary; that's what we're referring to...
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Actually, IIRC, Sterk wasn't even AT the game. Also, IMNSHO, he should have been formally reproved by the Mizzou president, which he was not.
As far as the lawsuit, I think it's unnecessary, but Staley is trying to make a point. And some of you haters are just gonna hate.
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[quote="summertime blues"]Actually, IIRC, Sterk wasn't even AT the game. Also, IMNSHO, he should have been formally reproved by the Mizzou president, which he was not.
As far as the lawsuit, I think it's unnecessary, but Staley is trying to make a point. And some of you haters are just gonna hate.[/quote]
I agree, except for calling everyone haters who disagree .
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| Posted: 02/23/18 4:07 pm ::: |
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Actually, IIRC, Sterk wasn't even AT the game. Also, IMNSHO, he should have been formally reproved by the Mizzou president, which he was not.
As far as the lawsuit, I think it's unnecessary, but Staley is trying to make a point. And some of you haters are just gonna hate.[/quote]
I agree, except for calling everyone haters who disagree . |
I did not "call everyone haters who disagree". I am specifically speaking about those who are trashing Staley in general.
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| Posted: 02/23/18 4:44 pm ::: |
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| i'm more interested in the veracity of the spitting and epithet accusations.
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| Posted: 02/23/18 5:57 pm ::: |
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| summertime blues wrote: |
Actually, IIRC, Sterk wasn't even AT the game. Also, IMNSHO, he should have been formally reproved by the Mizzou president, which he was not.
As far as the lawsuit, I think it's unnecessary, but Staley is trying to make a point. And some of you haters are just gonna hate. |
+1 .... Protect your brand at all costs.
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| Posted: 02/23/18 7:13 pm ::: Seems silly to file a lawsuit over this |
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| The whole thing doesn't make me want to root for SC or Mizzou. I used to be a Staley fan, but not so much anymore. Since SC started winning so much she's gotten a bit insufferable IMO.
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| Posted: 02/23/18 8:41 pm ::: |
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| dtsnms wrote: |
I'm pretty surprised at the responses in this thread actually.
I applaud Staley for pushing the buttons to get this guy fined like he was.
Staley's criticizing after the first game didnt't accuse a coach or admiinstrator by name of fostering an air of hostility like the AD did.
I believe the SEC did investigate the incidents reported by Missouri, and found nothing to support them. But he still said what he did (if I have the order of events correct).
The SEC could have prevented this if they had acted right away, and if an apology was issued. |
Actually the wording from the article states, "USC Athletic Director Ray Tanner [said] that the accusations were investigated and nothing was confirmed." That is a far cry from saying they didn't occur. Additionally, that was a University investigation. The SEC said, "a conference-led review of South Carolina's game management procedures and visiting team security will be mandated."
The statement that Sterk is getting sued for is "It wasn't a great atmosphere, It was really kind of unhealthy, if you will. We had our players spit on, and called the N-word and things like that. It was not a good environment and unfortunately, I think Coach Staley promoted that kind of atmosphere, and it's unfortunate that she felt she had to do that.
Anyone who watched the game would admit that the atmosphere was toxic, particularly after the altercation. The announcers commented on some inappropriate comments from the crowd. During the altercation Missouri's coach went to her player, Sophie Cunningham, and escorted her off the court. Meanwhile Dawn Staley was out on the court arguing with the officials. This can certainly be seen as promoting the atmosphere that existed. In any event, while I can understand the fine by the SEC by the letter of the law I believe that Sterk's comment is by and large accurate as it relates to Staley. Perhaps she didn't feel she had to do it, but given her history, it seems more likely she did. Note that he only said she promoted the atmosphere, not that she endorsed the activity.
Finally, it seems that filing this lawsuit is just as much a violation of the same bylaw. It is also public criticism of a member institution's administrator. Fine her too.
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| Posted: 02/23/18 11:05 pm ::: |
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| dtsnms wrote: |
I'm pretty surprised at the responses in this thread actually.
I applaud Staley for pushing the buttons to get this guy fined like he was.
Staley's criticizing after the first game didnt't accuse a coach or admiinstrator by name of fostering an air of hostility like the AD did.
I believe the SEC did investigate the incidents reported by Missouri, and found nothing to support them. But he still said what he did (if I have the order of events correct).
The SEC could have prevented this if they had acted right away, and if an apology was issued. |
Actually the wording from the article states, "USC Athletic Director Ray Tanner [said] that the accusations were investigated and nothing was confirmed." That is a far cry from saying they didn't occur. Additionally, that was a University investigation. The SEC said, "a conference-led review of South Carolina's game management procedures and visiting team security will be mandated."
The statement that Sterk is getting sued for is "It wasn't a great atmosphere, It was really kind of unhealthy, if you will. We had our players spit on, and called the N-word and things like that. It was not a good environment and unfortunately, I think Coach Staley promoted that kind of atmosphere, and it's unfortunate that she felt she had to do that.
Anyone who watched the game would admit that the atmosphere was toxic, particularly after the altercation. The announcers commented on some inappropriate comments from the crowd. During the altercation Missouri's coach went to her player, Sophie Cunningham, and escorted her off the court. Meanwhile Dawn Staley was out on the court arguing with the officials. This can certainly be seen as promoting the atmosphere that existed. In any event, while I can understand the fine by the SEC by the letter of the law I believe that Sterk's comment is by and large accurate as it relates to Staley. Perhaps she didn't feel she had to do it, but given her history, it seems more likely she did. Note that he only said she promoted the atmosphere, not that she endorsed the activity.
Finally, it seems that filing this lawsuit is just as much a violation of the same bylaw. It is also public criticism of a member institution's administrator. Fine her too. |
Watching the game is not quite the same thing as being there. The TV feed is very selective in what it shows and of course you get closer looks at certain things than you would if you were actually in the arena. If you want to call this particular game atmosphere “unhealthy” I wonder what you would have said about some of the Tennessee-UConn games of old, especially the one in TBA that broke attendance records, or the Gampel sellouts. Or how about some of the Duke games of old when the “Cameron Crazies” were in full flower? Singling this particular game out as having an “unhealthy atmosphere” because the fans were partial and loud is unfair. The brawl could have occurred in any game but it’s not surprising it occurred in this one. SC is right behind Miss State in the SEC, and MIzzou wants a piece of that. I know there are varying views here about who did what to whom and when, and about the style of play of both teams. I will stick to my opinion that Mizzou, or at least certain players on that team, are dirty players, and that the coach, if not encouraging it, at least looks the other way. I’ve seen enough of their games to make me pretty certain of that.
I’ve said this before—my family has a long history with the University of Missouri. My grandfather taught physics there for many years, beginning in IIRC 1924. My aunts, my uncles, both my parents, and several cousins graduated from Mizzou. There is a lecture series endowment in honor of my grandfather. But in recent years I have lost respect for the administration of the university. Incidents like this with the AD are the reason why. In my understanding he was not even at the game and was talking about something on hearsay and in a very inflammatory manner. IMNSHO the president of the university should have publicly admonished him and he should have apologized. That would have stopped this instead of throwing gasoline on the fire.
The above is my opinion. You are entitled to yours.
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| Posted: 02/24/18 11:45 am ::: |
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| calbearman76 wrote: |
| dtsnms wrote: |
I'm pretty surprised at the responses in this thread actually.
I applaud Staley for pushing the buttons to get this guy fined like he was.
Staley's criticizing after the first game didnt't accuse a coach or admiinstrator by name of fostering an air of hostility like the AD did.
I believe the SEC did investigate the incidents reported by Missouri, and found nothing to support them. But he still said what he did (if I have the order of events correct).
The SEC could have prevented this if they had acted right away, and if an apology was issued. |
Actually the wording from the article states, "USC Athletic Director Ray Tanner [said] that the accusations were investigated and nothing was confirmed." That is a far cry from saying they didn't occur. Additionally, that was a University investigation. The SEC said, "a conference-led review of South Carolina's game management procedures and visiting team security will be mandated."
The statement that Sterk is getting sued for is "It wasn't a great atmosphere, It was really kind of unhealthy, if you will. We had our players spit on, and called the N-word and things like that. It was not a good environment and unfortunately, I think Coach Staley promoted that kind of atmosphere, and it's unfortunate that she felt she had to do that.
Anyone who watched the game would admit that the atmosphere was toxic, particularly after the altercation. The announcers commented on some inappropriate comments from the crowd. During the altercation Missouri's coach went to her player, Sophie Cunningham, and escorted her off the court. Meanwhile Dawn Staley was out on the court arguing with the officials. This can certainly be seen as promoting the atmosphere that existed. In any event, while I can understand the fine by the SEC by the letter of the law I believe that Sterk's comment is by and large accurate as it relates to Staley. Perhaps she didn't feel she had to do it, but given her history, it seems more likely she did. Note that he only said she promoted the atmosphere, not that she endorsed the activity.
Finally, it seems that filing this lawsuit is just as much a violation of the same bylaw. It is also public criticism of a member institution's administrator. Fine her too. |
Cal my statement was it was investigated with nothing to support; I have no idea if it really happened.
My problem, like I said on twitter, is Staley's comments from both games were about specific incidents, and the appointment of the reffing team. Nothing specific about any Missouri player, coach, administrator etc.
Sterk's comments were about how a specific person, Staley, "promoted that kind of atmosphere, and it's unfortunate she felt she had to do that."
That's the crux to me; if he had just said SC didn't control their crowd, their players committed hard fouls, or whatever, it's cool.
You just cannot IMO, unless you have cold hard facts, call out the coach, especially one who has a freaking WNBA award named after her for community leadership and behavior, and not expect push back for damaging her reputation.
The conference should have had him apologize right away for personalizing it, and this goes away.
Just my opinion.
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| calbearman76 wrote: |
| dtsnms wrote: |
I'm pretty surprised at the responses in this thread actually.
I applaud Staley for pushing the buttons to get this guy fined like he was.
Staley's criticizing after the first game didnt't accuse a coach or admiinstrator by name of fostering an air of hostility like the AD did.
I believe the SEC did investigate the incidents reported by Missouri, and found nothing to support them. But he still said what he did (if I have the order of events correct).
The SEC could have prevented this if they had acted right away, and if an apology was issued. |
Actually the wording from the article states, "USC Athletic Director Ray Tanner [said] that the accusations were investigated and nothing was confirmed." That is a far cry from saying they didn't occur. Additionally, that was a University investigation. The SEC said, "a conference-led review of South Carolina's game management procedures and visiting team security will be mandated."
The statement that Sterk is getting sued for is "It wasn't a great atmosphere, It was really kind of unhealthy, if you will. We had our players spit on, and called the N-word and things like that. It was not a good environment and unfortunately, I think Coach Staley promoted that kind of atmosphere, and it's unfortunate that she felt she had to do that.
Anyone who watched the game would admit that the atmosphere was toxic, particularly after the altercation. The announcers commented on some inappropriate comments from the crowd. During the altercation Missouri's coach went to her player, Sophie Cunningham, and escorted her off the court. Meanwhile Dawn Staley was out on the court arguing with the officials. This can certainly be seen as promoting the atmosphere that existed. In any event, while I can understand the fine by the SEC by the letter of the law I believe that Sterk's comment is by and large accurate as it relates to Staley. Perhaps she didn't feel she had to do it, but given her history, it seems more likely she did. Note that he only said she promoted the atmosphere, not that she endorsed the activity.
Finally, it seems that filing this lawsuit is just as much a violation of the same bylaw. It is also public criticism of a member institution's administrator. Fine her too. |
Watching the game is not quite the same thing as being there. The TV feed is very selective in what it shows and of course you get closer looks at certain things than you would if you were actually in the arena. If you want to call this particular game atmosphere “unhealthy” I wonder what you would have said about some of the Tennessee-UConn games of old, especially the one in TBA that broke attendance records, or the Gampel sellouts. Or how about some of the Duke games of old when the “Cameron Crazies” were in full flower? Singling this particular game out as having an “unhealthy atmosphere” because the fans were partial and loud is unfair. The brawl could have occurred in any game but it’s not surprising it occurred in this one. SC is right behind Miss State in the SEC, and MIzzou wants a piece of that. I know there are varying views here about who did what to whom and when, and about the style of play of both teams. I will stick to my opinion that Mizzou, or at least certain players on that team, are dirty players, and that the coach, if not encouraging it, at least looks the other way. I’ve seen enough of their games to make me pretty certain of that.
I’ve said this before—my family has a long history with the University of Missouri. My grandfather taught physics there for many years, beginning in IIRC 1924. My aunts, my uncles, both my parents, and several cousins graduated from Mizzou. There is a lecture series endowment in honor of my grandfather. But in recent years I have lost respect for the administration of the university. Incidents like this with the AD are the reason why. In my understanding he was not even at the game and was talking about something on hearsay and in a very inflammatory manner. IMNSHO the president of the university should have publicly admonished him and he should have apologized. That would have stopped this instead of throwing gasoline on the fire.
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So, "And some of you Haters are just going to hate."?
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So, "And some of you Haters are just going to hate."? |
I'm calling you on this. I said before, and I will REPEAT, that I was addressing those who were trashing Dawn in general and are always trashing her, not on this particular lawsuit. If you are not one of those, chill out, will you?
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