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PostPosted: 02/06/18 7:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Still looking for a buyer or no longer looking for a buyer? Two different stories. Who got it right? It would appear they are no longer looking and are just moving it to Westchester.



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PostPosted: 02/06/18 7:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

http://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/22349804

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The Liberty will move most of their games out of the Garden this season and into an arena in suburban Westchester County, two people familiar with the situation told the AP. The people spoke on condition of anonymity because no official announcement has been made.


I guess we'll get our 6 games at MSG.

My guess as to what happened was whoever was about to buy the team either 1.) backed out last minute or 2.) the deal couldn't be finalized in time & the Liberty will be sold once the 2018 season is finished.



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PostPosted: 02/06/18 7:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Did anyone post this one yet?


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APNewsBreak: James Dolan's group is keeping the @nyliberty. Sources tell AP most games will be played at westchester with a couple at Garden




Btw, please try to keep this thread purely for arena-related chat, so as not to double up on conversation already happening in the main NY Liberty thread.



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Sooo where are those liberty fans that had all those horrible comments to say about Dolan ? Im sure you guys still feel it for all the stress and trauma he put you through , but at least he's keeping your team ! Right ? Embarassed



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PostPosted: 02/06/18 7:46 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Sooo where are those liberty fans that had all those horrible comments to say about Dolan ? Im sure you guys still feel it for all the stress and trauma he put you through , but at least he's keeping your team ! Right ? Embarassed


For now. Please don't give him any praise. He dragged this out most of the offseason and have had the Liberty fans on edge for 4 months now.



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PostPosted: 02/06/18 8:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Fans in Eastern CT can now get season tickets for two teams. Too bad I don't still travel to Norwalk on business all the time.

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PostPosted: 02/06/18 8:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Once I saw the information about playing in Westchester, I figured MSG was still involved. They have a relationship with that arena. I think worst case scenario, a new owner would have gone back to Prudential Center if they couldn't use the Garden. It sounds like the commute for most fans would be easier and you'd have the bigger arena. Higher rent cost could probably be offset by a few more fannies in the seats, and image-wise it would look better because you're in a big league facility.

My guess is that the team is still for sale. Management and the league had to do something now because scheduling and personnel decisions have to be made for the upcoming season.



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PostPosted: 02/06/18 8:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Dolan, Garden keeping WNBA’s Liberty for now

https://apnews.com/bf30b0dd914e4a5d877a80149016a2c9/APNewsBreak:-Dolan,-Garden-keeping-WNBA's-Liberty-for-now

Looks like Dolan & MSG are only keeping the Liberty until everything can be worked out with a new ownership group.

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“While we have had numerous interested parties, we are going to continue to operate the team until we identify the right new owner to steward this valuable New York franchise. We will have more to share soon,” Madison Square Garden Company President Andy Lustgarten said.



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PostPosted: 02/06/18 8:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Sooo where are those liberty fans that had all those horrible comments to say about Dolan ? Im sure you guys still feel it for all the stress and trauma he put you through , but at least he's keeping your team ! Right ? Embarassed


Nope. Fuck Jim Dolan. If I wanted a man to dick with my emotions and disregard anything I said, I'd use a dating app.



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PostPosted: 02/06/18 9:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Queenie wrote:
RHW wrote:
toad455 wrote:
When you think that starting in 2019, 5 teams will be playing in arenas that seat under 10k. How much can the league really improve on attendance this way?

If the teams in small arenas can fill up its much better for the league to create a demand to go to games and I dont see why being in a giant space is a good thing?


But that's a big assumption. I can tell you right now that attendance in Westchester would a) drop like a rock, b) probably be about the same percentage of capacity used as current attendance at MSG.

I know, speaking for myself and Happycappie, that I would have to cut back to a partial plan at best if the Liberty moved to Westchester. I say this as a fan who's been willing to travel and who made the hike out to Newark for damn near every game for three years. I say this as a fan of low-major women's basketball who's been to games at some truly embarrassing facilities.

Can I get a "FUCK YOU DOLAN" from the choir?


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FUCK YOU DOLAN!!!!



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PostPosted: 02/06/18 9:46 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So most games at Westchester

some still at MSG

No new owner.

I wondered when Westchester was mentioned if there wasn't going to be a new owner as I believe that is where the Knicks G-League team plays.

Not good, but could be worse, now we can move forward and have another year to get the team bought by owners who can do it better in 19, hopefully


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"We understand there is a significant interest in the team," Borders told The Associated Press in a phone interview Wednesday. "We will have a team in New York. Mr. Dolan and MSG have been a terrific partner for 21 years."


"While we have had numerous interested parties, we are going to continue to operate the team until we identify the right new owner to steward this valuable New York franchise. We will have more to share soon,” Madison Square Garden Company President Andy Lustgarten said.


So apparently it wasn't "Which one will end up winning the bidding war?", it was "Is anyone interested enough to make a purchase?". But I suppose it could also be that the asking price is too high. But if the Liberty are losing money and that is why MSG wants to "sell it", the asking price should probably be anything greater than or equal to $0.


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PostPosted: 02/06/18 10:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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So apparently it wasn't "Which one will end up winning the bidding war?", it was "Is anyone interested enough to make a purchase?". But I suppose it could also be that the asking price is too high. But if the Liberty are losing money and that is why MSG wants to "sell it", the asking price should probably be anything greater than or equal to $0.


People pay top dollar for money losing sports franchises all the time



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PostPosted: 02/06/18 10:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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So apparently it wasn't "Which one will end up winning the bidding war?", it was "Is anyone interested enough to make a purchase?". But I suppose it could also be that the asking price is too high. But if the Liberty are losing money and that is why MSG wants to "sell it", the asking price should probably be anything greater than or equal to $0.


People pay top dollar for money losing sports franchises all the time


True, but those leagues have a history of franchise values appreciating. I doubt that's the case with the WNBA.



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tfan wrote:
"We understand there is a significant interest in the team," Borders told The Associated Press in a phone interview Wednesday. "We will have a team in New York. Mr. Dolan and MSG have been a terrific partner for 21 years."


"While we have had numerous interested parties, we are going to continue to operate the team until we identify the right new owner to steward this valuable New York franchise. We will have more to share soon,” Madison Square Garden Company President Andy Lustgarten said.


So apparently it wasn't "Which one will end up winning the bidding war?", it was "Is anyone interested enough to make a purchase?". But I suppose it could also be that the asking price is too high. But if the Liberty are losing money and that is why MSG wants to "sell it", the asking price should probably be anything greater than or equal to $0.


I have always considered Borders a braggart and a liar. Long on bluster and anecdotes but short on real substance. Good news for the 2018 season though.


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PostPosted: 02/07/18 12:08 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I would be much happier if they had more games at Radio City than in Westchester.


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Randy wrote:
There is a new 3500 seat arena being built for the Hawk g-league team right next to Atlanta airport. I'm sure hoping that does not become the site for Dream games (though it might have Marta access) though it does seem this sort of thing is becoming the norm for WNBA teams.

Hah! For my dad's sake, I hope it is: he's a Dream STH, and they live right down the street from the airport. I don't want his old ass driving out of the city at night, and neither does my mom, to be honest.



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WNBA 09 wrote:
Shades wrote:
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Maybe the Hawks ownership will take over the Dream and move them into that joint.


The W has been steadily moving away from NBA co-ownership. The Liberty sale brings the number down to four. Let's not backtrack.


You don’t want NBA ownership? I love NBA ownership. Wouldn’t want it any other way. Depends on the owner, I guess.

If it becomes zero NBA owners, what interest would NBA have in supporting WNBA?


If it becomes 12 then you have to worry about an owner wanting to dump his team once they dont meet a profit or because he wants some NBA stud for the salary he has to pay his WNBA players. #2001


Like you can get an "NBA stud" for what a WNBA team costs, any more. In 2018, you can't even get a 6th man for that kind of money.



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tfan wrote:
"We understand there is a significant interest in the team," Borders told The Associated Press in a phone interview Wednesday. "We will have a team in New York. Mr. Dolan and MSG have been a terrific partner for 21 years."


"While we have had numerous interested parties, we are going to continue to operate the team until we identify the right new owner to steward this valuable New York franchise. We will have more to share soon,” Madison Square Garden Company President Andy Lustgarten said.


So apparently it wasn't "Which one will end up winning the bidding war?", it was "Is anyone interested enough to make a purchase?". But I suppose it could also be that the asking price is too high. But if the Liberty are losing money and that is why MSG wants to "sell it", the asking price should probably be anything greater than or equal to $0.


They were demanding a lot more than absolute zero. While it's unprofitable, they were not desperate to get rid of it.


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josephkramer44 wrote:
tfan wrote:
"We understand there is a significant interest in the team," Borders told The Associated Press in a phone interview Wednesday. "We will have a team in New York. Mr. Dolan and MSG have been a terrific partner for 21 years."


"While we have had numerous interested parties, we are going to continue to operate the team until we identify the right new owner to steward this valuable New York franchise. We will have more to share soon,” Madison Square Garden Company President Andy Lustgarten said.


So apparently it wasn't "Which one will end up winning the bidding war?", it was "Is anyone interested enough to make a purchase?". But I suppose it could also be that the asking price is too high. But if the Liberty are losing money and that is why MSG wants to "sell it", the asking price should probably be anything greater than or equal to $0.


I have always considered Borders a braggart and a liar. Long on bluster and anecdotes but short on real substance. Good news for the 2018 season though.


Just because the owners chose not to accept the offers does not mean there wasn't significant interest.


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So, what happened to that Pera guy, who owns the Memphis Grizzlies? Did he not hold up under due diligence scrutiny? Or did he change his mind?



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So, what happened to that Pera guy, who owns the Memphis Grizzlies? Did he not hold up under due diligence scrutiny? Or did he change his mind?

That was a rumor. I don't think it was ever confirmed.


Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anyone post this brief item from Newsday saying that management denies reports that the Liberty aren't for sale anymore. They also didn't comment on the team moving to Westchester. So, maybe yesterday was just much ado about nothing?

https://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/liberty/liberty-sale-1.16587789



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StevenHW wrote:
So, what happened to that Pera guy, who owns the Memphis Grizzlies? Did he not hold up under due diligence scrutiny? Or did he change his mind?


That was a Barcoff rumor. He got a bad tip.



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It looks smaller than a 5,000 seat arena. The lower level barely slopes, making it look like it could be hard to see the action if you aren't in the first row.





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Did some research and the Westchester Knicks draw roughly 1,900 a game. I hope they Liberty get more. We shall see.



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As i told queenie...basically walsh gym only larger and seats on the stage...its not modern...dont see a jumbotron...or center hung...doesnt mean the dubknicks didnt add one...prewar building doesnt give me incentive to spend 40 a seat or shlep out at great expense sigh but i love the girls too much to change colours....gonna be interesting



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It should look good on television. Decent lighting. Acoustics probably not what you’re used to. I believe that’s Teresa Weatherspoon on the color commentary.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/mgJvmq9gQUA" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

If Westchester is good enough for Joakim Noah, it should be good enough for Tina Charles.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/zlu0AXQl1PE" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>


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I've been to the Westchester County Center several times. It gets filled for regional high school games and playoffs, or at least it did when Saniya Chong was playing for Ossining. But a game between two popular high school teams may have more collective fans than a WNBA team.

I don't think the several NYL subway fans on this forum are representative of the commuting that is done by basketball fans at all levels all over America. Fans drive long distances to watch teams. Storrs is 170 miles round trip for me and Hartford is 110 miles. I'm not a fan of any high school, but I'll willingly drive 100-250 miles round trip to see good games or tournaments in NYC, Massachusetts, New Jersey or Albany. When I lived in Woodstock, NY, with young sons, we'd drive 350-400 miles round trip to follow Syracuse and UConn home games. Marist and West Point were easy commutes of about 65 and 100 miles round trip.
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I've been to the Westchester County Center several times. It gets filled for regional high school games and playoffs, or at least it did when Saniya Chong was playing for Ossining. But a game between two popular high school teams may have more collective fans than a WNBA team.

I don't think the several NYL subway fans on this forum are representative of the commuting that is done by basketball fans at all levels all over America. Fans drive long distances to watch teams. Storrs is 170 miles round trip for me and Hartford is 110 miles. I'm not a fan of any high school, but I'll willingly drive 100-250 miles round trip to see good games or tournaments in NYC, Massachusetts, New Jersey or Albany. When I lived in Woodstock, NY, with young sons, we'd drive 350-400 miles round trip to follow Syracuse and UConn home games. Marist and West Point were easy commutes of about 65 and 100 miles round trip.


Many Liberty fans don't own cars, so while all you say is surely valid it's a bit irrelevant for most of us. And the cost of renting a car to drive from wherever any of us live to White Plains would be prohibitive.



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I've been to the Westchester County Center several times. It gets filled for regional high school games and playoffs, or at least it did when Saniya Chong was playing for Ossining. But a game between two popular high school teams may have more collective fans than a WNBA team.

I don't think the several NYL subway fans on this forum are representative of the commuting that is done by basketball fans at all levels all over America. Fans drive long distances to watch teams. Storrs is 170 miles round trip for me and Hartford is 110 miles. I'm not a fan of any high school, but I'll willingly drive 100-250 miles round trip to see good games or tournaments in NYC, Massachusetts, New Jersey or Albany. When I lived in Woodstock, NY, with young sons, we'd drive 350-400 miles round trip to follow Syracuse and UConn home games. Marist and West Point were easy commutes of about 65 and 100 miles round trip.


With that having been said, "Liberty Subway Fans" may not be representative of basketball fans around the US, and their collective willingness to commute, but the only question of consequence here is whether they are representative of prospective Liberty fans? Because if they are, then how willing fans of other WNBA teams, or whatever punk amateur team's fans are to commute doesn't matter so much.



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Silky Johnson wrote:
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I've been to the Westchester County Center several times. It gets filled for regional high school games and playoffs, or at least it did when Saniya Chong was playing for Ossining. But a game between two popular high school teams may have more collective fans than a WNBA team.

I don't think the several NYL subway fans on this forum are representative of the commuting that is done by basketball fans at all levels all over America. Fans drive long distances to watch teams. Storrs is 170 miles round trip for me and Hartford is 110 miles. I'm not a fan of any high school, but I'll willingly drive 100-250 miles round trip to see good games or tournaments in NYC, Massachusetts, New Jersey or Albany. When I lived in Woodstock, NY, with young sons, we'd drive 350-400 miles round trip to follow Syracuse and UConn home games. Marist and West Point were easy commutes of about 65 and 100 miles round trip.


With that having been said, "Liberty Subway Fans" may not be representative of basketball fans around the US, and their collective willingness to commute, but the only question of consequence here is whether they are representative of prospective Liberty fans? Because if they are, then how willing fans of other WNBA teams, or whatever punk amateur team's fans are to commute doesn't matter so much.


Exactly right. We can't know if Liberty fans who post here are representative of all Liberty fans in the NYC metropolitan area. But I see no reason to believe that we are NOT representative of others when we discuss possible travel to the Westchester County Center. Especially since those of us who've identified our locations (mine is the Upper West Side) seem to live in various boroughs of NYC, Long Island, and New Jersey.



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Bob Lamm wrote:
Silky Johnson wrote:
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I've been to the Westchester County Center several times. It gets filled for regional high school games and playoffs, or at least it did when Saniya Chong was playing for Ossining. But a game between two popular high school teams may have more collective fans than a WNBA team.

I don't think the several NYL subway fans on this forum are representative of the commuting that is done by basketball fans at all levels all over America. Fans drive long distances to watch teams. Storrs is 170 miles round trip for me and Hartford is 110 miles. I'm not a fan of any high school, but I'll willingly drive 100-250 miles round trip to see good games or tournaments in NYC, Massachusetts, New Jersey or Albany. When I lived in Woodstock, NY, with young sons, we'd drive 350-400 miles round trip to follow Syracuse and UConn home games. Marist and West Point were easy commutes of about 65 and 100 miles round trip.


With that having been said, "Liberty Subway Fans" may not be representative of basketball fans around the US, and their collective willingness to commute, but the only question of consequence here is whether they are representative of prospective Liberty fans? Because if they are, then how willing fans of other WNBA teams, or whatever punk amateur team's fans are to commute doesn't matter so much.


Exactly right. We can't know if Liberty fans who post here are representative of all Liberty fans in the NYC metropolitan area. But I see no reason to believe that we are NOT representative of others when we discuss possible travel to the Westchester County Center. Especially since those of us who've identified our locations (mine is the Upper West Side) seem to live in various boroughs of NYC, Long Island, and New Jersey.


That's partially right.

I say NYL subway fans are not representative because there are only small handful of cities in the U.S. that even have subways, much less the extensive system of NYC. Fans in other big cities have to drive or take buses to inner city arenas. Many, if not most, "city" venues for pro basketball and football are actually in the suburbs of the city. Driving is necessary.

I say partially right because, as an owner, one has to consider not only the current Liberty fan base, which is certainly made up in some significant part by subway straphangers, but also potential new fans who would come from the commuting suburbs. There surely is a contingent of those people (like me) who are willing to drive many places to see a basketball game, but not into mid-Manhattan, where the parking fee alone could feed a child in Africa for a year. Plenty of NYC area fans support the football teams, and supported the Nets for years, in the Meadowland venues in a New Jersey swamp.

So the calculus is this: How many car-less straphanger fans does a NYC team lose by going to an arena in the suburbs vs. the number of willing car-commuter fans gained by going into a suburban arena? I don't know the answer.

That said, as I discussed in a thread last month, I don't consider the 1930's Westchester County Center to be an attractive "pro" arena regardless of whether it can draw 5000 or not. It's not even an attractive D2 college arena.

When the weather gets warmer, I'll drive down to the WCC and video the entire tunnel walk. Not a problem, especially if I buy the used Mercedes I dream about, given that the magic bus is 21 years old. All I ask is in return is that someone hire Seal Team 6 for my protection. My street fighting and bar brawling skills are so last millennium.
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One of the main reasons why New Yorkers put up with tiny, expensive apartments in this congested city is precisely because we want to live close to activity and have lots of options of all kinds nearby. I don't pretend to be typical of people around the country. I know all about the hardy folks who drive hours from Nebraska to Denver to watch Colorado Rockies games. Good for them. I'm sure they're happy with their choice. I also have friends who love to drive and will hop in their car to cruise around just for the heck of it. Good for them too. I'm not one of those guys. And I think it's kind of arrogant for people to decide that their choices should be the standard of behavior for someone else. I know men who commute 5-6 hours a day roundtrip for work. They basically see their wife and kids on weekends. I'm not going to judge them, but I'd venture to guess that most people wouldn't want to do that.

So yeah, maybe we look spoiled to some of you. I'm probably the most extreme case of all. My "travel" is a 15-minute walk to MSG. But you know what? I feel no guilt whatsoever. I've paid in many ways for the privilege, including moving to my block 40 years ago when burglaries were common.

As for MSG, obviously they're free to do whatever they want with the team. They own it, and they're under no obligation to lose money on our behalf. But it doesn't mean we have to like what's happening. Fans are simply expressing displeasure from their point of view. We're blowing off steam. It's not like we're plotting to assassinate James Dolan. I would think ownership should care somewhat about what fans think if they want the team to have a future... or at least the appearance of a future if you're trying to sell the team.



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This is all looking pretty bleak, and the more I learn, the worse it gets. I wanted to estimate how long it'd take me to get to/from games at the Westchester Community Center. The results are rough.

Most of our week night games at "home" start at 7 PM. I work until 6 in midtown, but I'm close enough to the metro north train that I should be able to get to a 7 PM game only 5 minutes late if I rush.

Coming home is where it really hurts. According to the schedule on the mta website, there are trains that leave White Plains, heading towards Manhattan at 9:01 PM and 10:05 PM on weekdays. I won't be making the 9:01 PM train unless I want to miss the end of the game, so that would leave me waiting around a good amount of time for the 10:05 PM train. At that point, based on Google maps, I estimate that I'll be home by 11:20 PM. (I live in Queens, but I'm relatively close to Manhattan - so it could be worse for others.) I need to wake up for work on weekdays at 7 AM.

I just don't see this working out so well for me.


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Liberty fans are being asked to spend more in car fare to go to an arena that is sub standard at best and a dump compared to what they had. Some are being asked to add over an hour+ to their trip. And if you work in the city, you are being asked to try to make it by a 7:00 tip time. I know to some of you that lost teams this may sound like whining. And to some of you that drive, you don't see the problem. However these are reasonable gripes to consider. Especially when your team is under new management and the future existence of the franchise is still in question. Also keep in mind, this team has not added any new players and is transitioning to a new coach. Meanwhile teams that were slightly worse than them previously are improving. And teams that were ahead of us have improved.



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Speaking as an out of towner who goes to NYC for vacation: I don't plan my vacations around Liberty games, but once I have plans set I have always in the past walked up and purchased tickets if they are playing. I won't do that now. I don't know how many of "us" there are in the bigger ticket purchasing picture, but I do know last time I did this I sat next to some guys from the UK who had no idea what the WNBA was but wanted to see an event at MSG.


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PostPosted: 02/09/18 3:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

miller40 wrote:
Speaking as an out of towner who goes to NYC for vacation: I don't plan my vacations around Liberty games, but once I have plans set I have always in the past walked up and purchased tickets if they are playing. I won't do that now. I don't know how many of "us" there are in the bigger ticket purchasing picture, but I do know last time I did this I sat next to some guys from the UK who had no idea what the WNBA was but wanted to see an event at MSG.


Was there also two guys nearby cheering really loud and yelling at the refs?



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dab44lb wrote:
miller40 wrote:
Speaking as an out of towner who goes to NYC for vacation: I don't plan my vacations around Liberty games, but once I have plans set I have always in the past walked up and purchased tickets if they are playing. I won't do that now. I don't know how many of "us" there are in the bigger ticket purchasing picture, but I do know last time I did this I sat next to some guys from the UK who had no idea what the WNBA was but wanted to see an event at MSG.


Was there also two guys nearby cheering really loud and yelling at the refs?


It's hard to say. Everyone nearby was yelling at the refs. Laughing


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PostPosted: 02/09/18 5:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pasteurize wrote:

Coming home is where it really hurts. According to the schedule on the mta website, there are trains that leave White Plains, heading towards Manhattan at 9:01 PM and 10:05 PM on weekdays. I won't be making the 9:01 PM train unless I want to miss the end of the game, so that would leave me waiting around a good amount of time for the 10:05 PM train.


Bus?

WCC website says:

"The following Bee Line Buses make stops at the White Plains Transportation Center: 1W, 3, 5, 6, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 20, 21, 27, 40, 41, 60, 63, 77, 92, TZX, IBus, TLC, A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H"

There are Bee Line bus routes between the White Plains TransCenter and the Bronx and Manhattan. Maybe one would work.

This map shows the location of the the TransCenter (1), train station (2) and Westchester County Center (6).


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PostPosted: 02/09/18 5:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

GlennMacGrady wrote:
pasteurize wrote:

Coming home is where it really hurts. According to the schedule on the mta website, there are trains that leave White Plains, heading towards Manhattan at 9:01 PM and 10:05 PM on weekdays. I won't be making the 9:01 PM train unless I want to miss the end of the game, so that would leave me waiting around a good amount of time for the 10:05 PM train.


Bus?

WCC website says:

"The following Bee Line Buses make stops at the White Plains Transportation Center: 1W, 3, 5, 6, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 20, 21, 27, 40, 41, 60, 63, 77, 92, TZX, IBus, TLC, A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H"

There are Bee Line bus routes between the White Plains TransCenter and the Bronx and Manhattan. Maybe one would work.

This map shows the location of the the TransCenter (1), train station (2) and Westchester County Center (3).


Going by bus during rush hour for a 7:00 p.m. game? You must be kidding.



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PostPosted: 02/09/18 5:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Bob Lamm wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
pasteurize wrote:

Coming home is where it really hurts. According to the schedule on the mta website, there are trains that leave White Plains, heading towards Manhattan at 9:01 PM and 10:05 PM on weekdays. I won't be making the 9:01 PM train unless I want to miss the end of the game, so that would leave me waiting around a good amount of time for the 10:05 PM train.


Bus?

WCC website says:

"The following Bee Line Buses make stops at the White Plains Transportation Center: 1W, 3, 5, 6, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 20, 21, 27, 40, 41, 60, 63, 77, 92, TZX, IBus, TLC, A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H"

There are Bee Line bus routes between the White Plains TransCenter and the Bronx and Manhattan. Maybe one would work.

This map shows the location of the the TransCenter (1), train station (2) and Westchester County Center (3).


Going by bus during rush hour for a 7:00 p.m. game? You must be kidding.


I'm spending time trying to be helpful, not kidding. My response was in quoted reply to the lack of trains coming home after the game.
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GlennMacGrady wrote:
pasteurize wrote:

Coming home is where it really hurts. According to the schedule on the mta website, there are trains that leave White Plains, heading towards Manhattan at 9:01 PM and 10:05 PM on weekdays. I won't be making the 9:01 PM train unless I want to miss the end of the game, so that would leave me waiting around a good amount of time for the 10:05 PM train.


Bus?

WCC website says:

"The following Bee Line Buses make stops at the White Plains Transportation Center: 1W, 3, 5, 6, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 20, 21, 27, 40, 41, 60, 63, 77, 92, TZX, IBus, TLC, A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H"

There are Bee Line bus routes between the White Plains TransCenter and the Bronx and Manhattan. Maybe one would work.

This map shows the location of the the TransCenter (1), train station (2) and Westchester County Center (3).

Thanks for that. I can't be positive, but I don't believe the bus will be any better. According to Google maps, the bus route will take 2+ hours just to get to midtown Manhattan. And it'd require taking two separate buses. I think there are more options during rush hour, but heading towards Manhattan at around 9 or 10 PM is difficult. Anyone, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.


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pasteurize wrote:
Coming home is where it really hurts. According to the schedule on the mta website, there are trains that leave White Plains, heading towards Manhattan at 9:01 PM and 10:05 PM on weekdays. I won't be making the 9:01 PM train unless I want to miss the end of the game, so that would leave me waiting around a good amount of time for the 10:05 PM train. At that point, based on Google maps, I estimate that I'll be home by 11:20 PM. (I live in Queens, but I'm relatively close to Manhattan - so it could be worse for others.) I need to wake up for work on weekdays at 7 AM.

I just don't see this working out so well for me.


Any chance they would schedule an extra post-game train specifically for game nights? Seems like something the Liberty should be arranging with the train company, considering how many people could potentially be using it. (or at least trial it for a few games to see if it is well used)



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pasteurize wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
pasteurize wrote:

Coming home is where it really hurts. According to the schedule on the mta website, there are trains that leave White Plains, heading towards Manhattan at 9:01 PM and 10:05 PM on weekdays. I won't be making the 9:01 PM train unless I want to miss the end of the game, so that would leave me waiting around a good amount of time for the 10:05 PM train.


Bus?

WCC website says:

"The following Bee Line Buses make stops at the White Plains Transportation Center: 1W, 3, 5, 6, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 20, 21, 27, 40, 41, 60, 63, 77, 92, TZX, IBus, TLC, A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H"

There are Bee Line bus routes between the White Plains TransCenter and the Bronx and Manhattan. Maybe one would work.

This map shows the location of the the TransCenter (1), train station (2) and Westchester County Center (3).

Thanks for that. I can't be positive, but I don't believe the bus will be any better. According to Google maps, the bus route will take 2+ hours just to get to midtown Manhattan. And it'd require taking two separate buses. I think there are more options during rush hour, but heading towards Manhattan at around 9 or 10 PM is difficult. Anyone, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.


This situation undoubtedly presents an unpalatable commute for NYC fans no matter whether it's train, car or bus. I was just trying to link to bus possibilities even if none may end up being convenient. I haven't studied the bus schedules and have no reason to, but I thought perhaps the Bronx bus route might stop near a subway station in the Bronx.
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PostPosted: 02/09/18 9:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

GlennMacGrady wrote:
pasteurize wrote:

Coming home is where it really hurts. According to the schedule on the mta website, there are trains that leave White Plains, heading towards Manhattan at 9:01 PM and 10:05 PM on weekdays. I won't be making the 9:01 PM train unless I want to miss the end of the game, so that would leave me waiting around a good amount of time for the 10:05 PM train.


Bus?

WCC website says:

"The following Bee Line Buses make stops at the White Plains Transportation Center: 1W, 3, 5, 6, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 20, 21, 27, 40, 41, 60, 63, 77, 92, TZX, IBus, TLC, A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H"

There are Bee Line bus routes between the White Plains TransCenter and the Bronx and Manhattan. Maybe one would work.

This map shows the location of the the TransCenter (1), train station (2) and Westchester County Center (3).


I've taken the 20. If I recall my journey correctly, it was about an hour from White Plains to Woodlawn, where I picked up the 4. My Google Map-fu indicates that attempting to use the buses versus using Metro-North adds an hour to the total journey. And I was leaving White Plains around... 6:30, I think? It's been a while. If it gets too late, the bus frequency is down to once every 30 minutes or so.

(I did, in fact, once embark on an expedition to see how far north I could go via MetroCard. I did not realize at the time it was advance scouting.)



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