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PostPosted: 02/17/18 9:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Could the reason that Dolan is driving down the STH base is to make the Liberty less attractive to a buyer that would keep the team in New York.
Maybe a buyer that would move the team will pay more...and he is all about GREED!



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Could the reason that Dolan is driving down the STH base is to make the Liberty less attractive to a buyer that would keep the team in New York.
Maybe a buyer that would move the team will pay more...and he is all about GREED!

Does that make sense though?
Is he under any obligation to sell to a buyer who will keep the team in NY? That strikes me as an issue for the league to decide, rather than HLJ.



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The Board of Governors does have to approve any sale, and given how much a New York presence could mean to the league I could imagine them blocking a group intending to move the team (asuming there are any interested groups who want to keep them in NY).

But there are still so many unknowns around this whole thing that it's hard to really guess what anyone's thinking or where things might go in future.



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This article stats that WCC capacity is only 2,000. I know that's wrong as the Westchester Knicks have drawn over 3,000 for games. They're also hoping the locals will come out and support the team. What is the population of Westchester?

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/02/15/new-york-liberty-coming-to-westchester-county/amp/?__twitter_impression=true



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This article stats that WCC capacity is only 2,000. I know that's wrong as the Westchester Knicks have drawn over 3,000 for games. They're also hoping the locals will come out and support the team. What is the population of Westchester?

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/02/15/new-york-liberty-coming-to-westchester-county/amp/?__twitter_impression=true


949,113 as of the last census, 56,853 of these in White Plains.



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The 5,000-seat figure seems to come from Wikipedia. I can't find anything on the WCC's own website. The rental page just gives a phone number. Their seating chart page is "under construction." I did find a seating chart for the Westchester Knicks at Ticketmaster. I'm too lazy to count each dot, but my rough estimate would be more like 3,000. Anyone with more energy is free to try it themselves. Click on the plus sign to see individual seats.

https://www1.ticketmaster.com/westchester-knicks-vs-long-island-nets-white-plains-new-york-03-08-2018/event/0000533DA7415E2C?artistid=2047884&majorcatid=10004&minorcatid=7&tm_link=venue_msg-0_0000533DA7415E2C

Edit: Comparing the seating chart to pictures of the arena, it looks like there's a lot of unused space in the chart. Maybe they can add more seats when necessary.



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The 5,000-seat figure seems to come from Wikipedia. I can't find anything on the WCC's own website. The rental page just gives a phone number. Their seating chart page is "under construction." I did find a seating chart for the Westchester Knicks at Ticketmaster. I'm too lazy to count each dot, but my rough estimate would be more like 3,000. Anyone with more energy is free to try it themselves. Click on the plus sign to see individual seats.

https://www1.ticketmaster.com/westchester-knicks-vs-long-island-nets-white-plains-new-york-03-08-2018/event/0000533DA7415E2C?artistid=2047884&majorcatid=10004&minorcatid=7&tm_link=venue_msg-0_0000533DA7415E2C

Edit: Comparing the seating chart to pictures of the arena, it looks like there's a lot of unused space in the chart. Maybe they can add more seats when necessary.


Thanks for all this. Drawing on the link you provided, I got curious and just counted four sections. A section on the side at the highest level had 72 seats. Another had 86 seats. A section on the highest level behind one of the baskets had 105 seats. A section on the side that's closer to the court had 108 seats. I can't believe that sections of courtside seats will have as many as those sections do.

That's all the counting I'm willing to do. My guess: your estimate of 3,000 seats is right on the mark. No way that this map shows 5,000 seats. And no way to know how many can perhaps be added in unused spaces.



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PostPosted: 02/18/18 3:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Queenie wrote:
toad455 wrote:
This article stats that WCC capacity is only 2,000. I know that's wrong as the Westchester Knicks have drawn over 3,000 for games. They're also hoping the locals will come out and support the team. What is the population of Westchester?

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/02/15/new-york-liberty-coming-to-westchester-county/amp/?__twitter_impression=true


949,113 as of the last census, 56,853 of these in White Plains.


The millions in NYC didn’t even come out in droves to MSG.


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Seems I have heard this before when we moved to New Jersey for 3 years and didn't pick up that many NJ fans



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The Liberty will play in Westchester, practice in Westchester and the team provided housing is in Westchester. They'll be integrated into the community. It's like the 1950's when Dodgers players lived near Ebbetts field or Giants players lived around the Polo Grounds. Just imagine all the kids following Tina down the street like she was Willie Mays. Wink



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The Liberty will play in Westchester, practice in Westchester and the team provided housing is in Westchester. They'll be integrated into the community. It's like the 1950's when Dodgers players lived near Ebbetts field or Giants players lived around the Polo Grounds. Just imagine all the kids following Tina down the street like she was Willie Mays. Wink


I understand what you are saying ...But as someone that grew up in Brooklyn in the 1950's, and was a die hard Dodger fan ...its was a special time and the Dodgers were a special team! Being able to walk up and talk to Jackie Robinson, Pee Wee Reese, Gil Hodges was special for a 10 year old fan ...and they always had time to talk to you.

But of course this opens the door as to what it felt like in 1958, when there were no more Brooklyn Dodgers!...will there be no more New York Liberty? OMG I hope not



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The Liberty will play in Westchester, practice in Westchester and the team provided housing is in Westchester. They'll be integrated into the community. It's like the 1950's when Dodgers players lived near Ebbetts field or Giants players lived around the Polo Grounds. Just imagine all the kids following Tina down the street like she was Willie Mays. Wink


Did the team already live and practice in Westchester last season?



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The Liberty will play in Westchester, practice in Westchester and the team provided housing is in Westchester. They'll be integrated into the community. It's like the 1950's when Dodgers players lived near Ebbetts field or Giants players lived around the Polo Grounds. Just imagine all the kids following Tina down the street like she was Willie Mays. Wink


Did the team already live and practice in Westchester last season?


Yes, but that's not the same as playing there... in theory. Smile



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Guess the players will be about the only ones who will have a shorter commute to games.



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According to Google, 9 minutes in normal traffic to travel the 5 miles by car. Liberty players should have more energy for home games. We're going to dominate this year! Very Happy



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When Ursuline and Ossining sold out the County Center – which seated approximately 1,600 people at the time – in an epic 2003 Section 1 Class A final showdown, those fears were put to rest. The County Center has since expanded to seat more than 4,000 people, yet Ossining and Albertus Magnus still packed the house for last year’s Section 1 Class AA final.


Zacchio: County Center move a major setback for girls basketball

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AHA! Adam Silver is from Westchester and his mother taught school in White Plains. He's behind this move!

Just how does one go about more than doubling the capacity of a building from 1,600 to over 4,000? Did WCC knock down some walls? Or did they do the airline coach class thing by shrinking seat size and squeezing them closer together?



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AHA! Adam Silver is from Westchester and his mother taught school in White Plains. He's behind this move!

Just how does one go about more than doubling the capacity of a building from 1,600 to over 4,000? Did WCC knock down some walls? Or did they do the airline coach class thing by shrinking seat size and squeezing them closer together?


It's funny but if you fly on an airline from a 3rd world country you usually get a better experience. The planes are older so you get much larger seats, the bathrooms more spacious and because they don't get the same industrial slop that most airlines do at the hubs the food tends to be better. A bit off topic but I couldn't resist.


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AHA! Adam Silver is from Westchester and his mother taught school in White Plains. He's behind this move!

Just how does one go about more than doubling the capacity of a building from 1,600 to over 4,000? Did WCC knock down some walls? Or did they do the airline coach class thing by shrinking seat size and squeezing them closer together?


it'll be interesting to see what the team/league report as actually attendance for games this season. The capacity is reportedly 5,000, but will the league go as far to report games over 5,000?



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Going from 1,600 to 4,000 is a 150% capacity increase within the same space. If they can pull off that magic trick a second time, it would get WCC up to 10,000 seats -- which is perfect! Very Happy



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AHA! Adam Silver is from Westchester and his mother taught school in White Plains. He's behind this move!

Just how does one go about more than doubling the capacity of a building from 1,600 to over 4,000? Did WCC knock down some walls? Or did they do the airline coach class thing by shrinking seat size and squeezing them closer together?


The seats are the equivalent of bunk beds. You have to pay more for the higher seats because visibility is better. But you are required to have your legs folded, yoga-style, so people in the lower seats have at least some visibility.



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Section 1 pulls basketball championships from County Center

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The Goldstein Center's seating capacity (2,400) is a little more than half of that at the County Center (4,000-plus). The County Center has also made several recent improvements, which were facilitated by its partnership with the Westchester Knicks. The arena has upgraded some of its locker rooms, its scoreboards and video boards, and it installed a new floor prior to Championship Week in 2017.


I suspect the 5,000 number refers to the WCC's capacity for concerts, when the court area would be filled with chairs.

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What is the venue’s capacity?

The Westchester County Center’s Main Hall can accommodate up to 5,000 attendees.


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AHA! Adam Silver is from Westchester and his mother taught school in White Plains. He's behind this move!

Just how does one go about more than doubling the capacity of a building from 1,600 to over 4,000? Did WCC knock down some walls? Or did they do the airline coach class thing by shrinking seat size and squeezing them closer together?


it'll be interesting to see what the team/league report as actually attendance for games this season. The capacity is reportedly 5,000, but will the league go as far to report games over 5,000?


I would bet on them using 5,000. Even though Glen's articles are using 4,000-ish, they have whoever edited Wikipedia to thank for 5,000 "for basketball" and no basketball number on the official website. Although the person(s) who edited Wikipedia also has 5,000 for concerts. Concerts would presumably have more people standing on the court than seats were lost on the stage, so it is easy to dispute the 5,000.


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FYI, the Westchester Knicks average only 1,490 fans through 20 games this season. Their high is 2,453 and their low is 455.

From what I could research, it looks like their all-time high for attendance was 3,341 on Nov. 30, 2016.



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We do have the option of going into Wikipedia and editing that capacity figure. There is no direct citation anywhere in the article -- just 7 unattached "Footnotes" at the bottom. Make the change, use one of Glen's links as a citation, and then see if it sticks. I'd do it myself except that coincidentally I just had a couple of entries reversed this week for an unrelated topic. I don't want the editors to think I'm some kind of rogue contributor. Smile



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According to Google, 9 minutes in normal traffic to travel the 5 miles by car. Liberty players should have more energy for home games. We're going to dominate this year! Very Happy



What about the reverse situation - how difficult will it be for opposing teams to get to White Plains? I know that opposing teams have complained at times that the trek to play the Sun is a disadvantage - so would that also be the case for the Liberty foes? (I do recall somewhere in all this it was suggested it wouldn't take much longer to get to Sun home games).



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According to Google, 9 minutes in normal traffic to travel the 5 miles by car. Liberty players should have more energy for home games. We're going to dominate this year! Very Happy



What about the reverse situation - how difficult will it be for opposing teams to get to White Plains? I know that opposing teams have complained at times that the trek to play the Sun is a disadvantage - so would that also be the case for the Liberty foes? (I do recall somewhere in all this it was suggested it wouldn't take much longer to get to Sun home games).


I don't know where teams stay when they visit New York. I'm guessing there are hotels in Westchester they can use. There's a small airport in White Plains just 10 miles from the arena. Teams that can use that airport will have it easier. It serves Atlanta through Delta, so your Dream are set. Wink



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Thanks for the good news. Smile



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So is this the week we will be told details of the Westchester Liberty?
As a STH I am losing patience



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Scientists have concluded that there are more signs of life on Mars than in the Liberty front office.



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The 5,000-seat figure seems to come from Wikipedia. I can't find anything on the WCC's own website. The rental page just gives a phone number. Their seating chart page is "under construction." I did find a seating chart for the Westchester Knicks at Ticketmaster. I'm too lazy to count each dot, but my rough estimate would be more like 3,000. Anyone with more energy is free to try it themselves. Click on the plus sign to see individual seats.

https://www1.ticketmaster.com/westchester-knicks-vs-long-island-nets-white-plains-new-york-03-08-2018/event/0000533DA7415E2C?artistid=2047884&majorcatid=10004&minorcatid=7&tm_link=venue_msg-0_0000533DA7415E2C

Edit: Comparing the seating chart to pictures of the arena, it looks like there's a lot of unused space in the chart. Maybe they can add more seats when necessary.


Thanks for all this. Drawing on the link you provided, I got curious and just counted four sections. A section on the side at the highest level had 72 seats. Another had 86 seats. A section on the highest level behind one of the baskets had 105 seats. A section on the side that's closer to the court had 108 seats. I can't believe that sections of courtside seats will have as many as those sections do.

That's all the counting I'm willing to do. My guess: your estimate of 3,000 seats is right on the mark. No way that this map shows 5,000 seats. And no way to know how many can perhaps be added in unused spaces.


I'm curious about this too, because the first time I saw a photo of the interior I thought "no way in hell that seats 5000 people", plus it's suspicious that the capacity is listed as 5000 for both basketball and concerts.
This article from July 2014 includes this photo:

... which is captioned "The Westchester Knicks' first season at the 2,100-seat Westchester County Center in White Plains starts in November."

Looking at a seating chart for a Westchester Knicks game this week, I count approx. 2,164 seats available for general public purchase, and that's most of the arena accounted for - i.e. not too much space left over to get creative with makeshift seating, or to account for corporate boxes and such. I would have guessed that 2,800 would be the absolute max in basketball mode.
I don't get how their attendance record of 3,341 was physically possible, but you can definitely forget about 5,000. That could only be for concert mode, with the court covered in seats.



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The 5,000-seat figure seems to come from Wikipedia. I can't find anything on the WCC's own website. The rental page just gives a phone number. Their seating chart page is "under construction." I did find a seating chart for the Westchester Knicks at Ticketmaster. I'm too lazy to count each dot, but my rough estimate would be more like 3,000. Anyone with more energy is free to try it themselves. Click on the plus sign to see individual seats.

https://www1.ticketmaster.com/westchester-knicks-vs-long-island-nets-white-plains-new-york-03-08-2018/event/0000533DA7415E2C?artistid=2047884&majorcatid=10004&minorcatid=7&tm_link=venue_msg-0_0000533DA7415E2C

Edit: Comparing the seating chart to pictures of the arena, it looks like there's a lot of unused space in the chart. Maybe they can add more seats when necessary.


Thanks for all this. Drawing on the link you provided, I got curious and just counted four sections. A section on the side at the highest level had 72 seats. Another had 86 seats. A section on the highest level behind one of the baskets had 105 seats. A section on the side that's closer to the court had 108 seats. I can't believe that sections of courtside seats will have as many as those sections do.

That's all the counting I'm willing to do. My guess: your estimate of 3,000 seats is right on the mark. No way that this map shows 5,000 seats. And no way to know how many can perhaps be added in unused spaces.


I'm curious about this too, because the first time I saw a photo of the interior I thought "no way in hell that seats 5000 people", plus it's suspicious that the capacity is listed as 5000 for both basketball and concerts.
This article from July 2014 includes this photo:

... which is captioned "The Westchester Knicks' first season at the 2,100-seat Westchester County Center in White Plains starts in November."

Looking at a seating chart for a Westchester Knicks game this week, I count approx. 2,164 seats available for general public purchase, and that's most of the arena accounted for - i.e. not too much space left over to get creative with makeshift seating, or to account for corporate boxes and such. I would have guessed that 2,800 would be the absolute max in basketball mode.
I don't get how their attendance record of 3,341 was physically possible, but you can definitely forget about 5,000. That could only be for concert mode, with the court covered in seats.


That angle makes it look exactly like NJ's walsh gym...which holds closer to 2000 tho their capacity has been overstated as well...only thing I do see is seats on the stage but who really wants to sit on bleachers propped up on a stage?



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I tried to get tix to a Westchester Knicks game comparable to where I’d want to sit. There are barely any left yet the high for attendance is 2,500 or so. They can probably get some risers on that other baseline but that 3,300 figure I think is the absolute max. For that I’d rather they play at Fordham. Geez.

Anyway, I wonder if they’ll get 3,000 people. I may have to buy season tickets to guarantee a seat where I want it.



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I don’t know how to embed a pic but the pic in this article has much more seating:

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I believe those seats behind the basket are typically curtained off for Westchester Knicks games. Looks like it holds about 1,000.



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If it's really 2,100 seats, that covers about 1/4 of normal attendance. At least they're making it easy for fans to stay home and not feel guilty. Razz

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What I really care about is my travel time to see the Liberty play ...
NOT the travel time of WNBA teams and of the Liberty players from
their housing.

Oh is that selfish ! So be it ! Mad



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PostPosted: 02/25/18 8:16 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

been waiting a few days to see if anyone else got this...but there was an STH survey sent out that seemed to indicate select a seat will be next sunday the 4th anyone else confirm?

also seemed to lampshade the capacity issue...which is good...said all along KEIA CLARKE GETS IT...it's all the other garbage above her that's causing the trouble...and that's a lot of garbage.

I'm with Lib Fan...just wanna know travel time and options...ESPECIALLY with weekdays...I know I cant make 7 on a midweek but it seems logical (I swing shift on Fridays, start early, end early) that I can make 730 on a Friday...that makes a HUGE difference...cant make Fridays it's basically every weekend I'm either at the SUN or at the LIBS...pick one...there's 1 back to back and 1 overlap...12 games...but If we can change our package and keep our benefits...I'm not walking up on those Fridays either...walking up seems...ill advised.

I'm reserving judgement until after the 4th...anyone else going (Who are STH still on this board)



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PostPosted: 02/25/18 9:56 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote:
I don’t know how to embed a pic but the pic in this article has much more seating:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lohud.com/amp/899241001




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PostPosted: 02/27/18 11:01 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I've noticed most teams have announced single game tickets have gone on sale. Nothing from the Liberty about single game tickets or even season ticket prices. I realize this was a huge wrench moving to Westchester and things are expected to be delayed, but it would be nice to have some kind of answers at this point.



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PostPosted: 02/27/18 10:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Happycappie25 wrote:

I'm reserving judgement until after the 4th...anyone else going (Who are STH still on this board)


I will be there Sunday...just hope there is some organization to the event



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PostPosted: 02/28/18 8:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I am going Sunday. I know they staggered the times. i have a friend slated at 1, i am slated at 2 and other friends at 4. I suggested to Gabby to tell the higher ups to release the prices. it will help people figure out what they want to do. she did says she was in discussion to try and get the prices released.


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PostPosted: 02/28/18 8:50 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Our timeslot is at 3; we're trying to move to an earlier one, though. (LIU's Senior Day is at 2 and we're not above doing a cannonball run to get from White Plains to Brooklyn in time.)



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PostPosted: 03/01/18 5:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Looks like we'll be missing Senior Day to pick an overpriced seat. Our rep sent out the seating chart, and the cheapest seat- cheapest- is $29/game.

I'm trying to love this team. I really am. But come the fuck on are you fucking serious.



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PostPosted: 03/01/18 5:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

$29!!! Ugh! Dolan screwing fans as usual!!



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PostPosted: 03/01/18 5:51 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Not telling people they shouldn't be unhappy, but realistically speaking the worst seat at WCC is probably as close to the court as a good seat in MSG. Secondly, given the built-in reduction in attendance, there is only so much the team can cut prices. For example, if they get 50% of their MSG crowd (optimistic) and cut prices to 75%, then the team is pulling in 37.5% of last year's box office revenue. Even with cheaper arena rental, the rest of your costs are the same. So, while I understand why fans feel they should get a much bigger discount for the lesser experience and longer travel, the business' cost structure may not allow for that. Not suggesting that I have any kind of inside information. Just pointing out that fairness and reality may be at odds no matter where they move.



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I was expecting the cheap seats to still be $20 a la the general admission seats at MSG.



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PostPosted: 03/01/18 7:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Queenie wrote:
Looks like we'll be missing Senior Day to pick an overpriced seat. Our rep sent out the seating chart, and the cheapest seat- cheapest- is $29/game.

I'm trying to love this team. I really am. But come the fuck on are you fucking serious.


How about posting it for the rest of us ... my rep sent me nothing !



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PostPosted: 03/01/18 7:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Let's see if this link works: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8ZxiSyDDGikQ2xLeV9yRmdWbW10RmFJVmhFcDJMTHUzX1M4



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