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PostPosted: 02/09/18 10:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

There is a Greyhound bus station a block and a half from the Metro-North train station in White Plains. And there is a route - 3420 - that goes between the Port Authority Building in NYC and White Plains. It's priced $4 to $7 depending on day and time. Unfortunately, it doesn't run a lot between the two or at the right times most of the time. On Friday (no other weekday), they have a NYC->White Plains bus ($6) that leaves at 5:30pm and is scheduled to arrive at 6:40pm. But to use it coming back ($6) you'd have to wait until 11:55pm. Greyhound could also work for one leg of some Sunday games as well as they have the same 5:30pm -> 6:40 bus ($6) and a 12:01pm -> 1:00pm bus ($5).

They say there is free Wi-Fi on all buses (and extra power outlets and extra leg room).




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It does sound like for a relatively small outlay, the Liberty could garner some much-needed goodwill by running their own shuttle service from Manhattan to Westchester. I doubt they will, but it'd be a nice move.



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Randy wrote:
Sorry if this is a dumb question - Uber? Lyft?


The Storm had a promotion last year for a free Uber to/from a game. It would have cost $23 (round trip), but I only live three miles away, so it seemed crazy expensive.


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Randy wrote:
Sorry if this is a dumb question - Uber? Lyft?


30 miles? With tolls? Possibly through Manhattan traffic? Pretty sure you'd have to include your firstborn child as a tip. You can really only do that once unless you have multiple firstborn children. Running the numbers through Lyft gave me $52 for a ride a few minutes ago, though I'd have to recalculate during rush hour and postgame.

Unless you meant from the station to the arena, but that really doesn't mitigate the travel issues much. (But thank you for reminding me to wonder how less mobile fans would get from the transit center to the arena. My mom has a cane; one of my section neighbors is in a wheelchair and her wife has a cane. Somehow I doubt that walk is terribly good for them.) (Though there appears to be a bus stop somewhat near the arena... but waiting who knows how long for a bus to go two stops seems... I dunno. Somewhere between counterproductive and "everyone will hate you for doing and undoing the wheelchair stuff twice in three stops".)



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It does sound like for a relatively small outlay, the Liberty could garner some much-needed goodwill by running their own shuttle service from Manhattan to Westchester. I doubt they will, but it'd be a nice move.


Think of the numbers. Suppose 1000 fans wanted to take the shuttle service for a weekend game. That would cost more than "a relatively small outlay" and would be a logistical nightmare. And the inevitable mess--suppose you have to wait to be in bus #17--would quickly destroy any "much-needed goodwill."

This ain't happening.



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PostPosted: 02/10/18 12:20 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I haven't yet expressed any personal feelings on the move to WCC, but it's good news for me if I ever want to go to a Liberty game.

I live about equidistant from MSG and the Mohegan Sun. The drive to Mohegan can be done on highway and back roads and the parking is free. I have never gone to a Liberty game at MSG because the thought of driving through the traffic and potholes in Yonkers, the Bronx and Manhattan, and paying your first born greatgrandchild for parking, is beyond horrifying.

The drive to the WCC is an easy hour, and I go to the White Plains area frequently. So, I'd probably go to a few games just to see Bria Hartley. I used to drive twice as far to see her in high school in North Babylon, NY. Great pizza at Mangia's.

I once drove to North Babylon to see Bria play in an afternoon game and then drove to Storrs to watch UConn and then back home -- about 350 miles of driving to see two games. And Bria was at the UConn game, too.
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PostPosted: 02/10/18 12:45 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Conclusion: well as being bad for most of the fans, this move is also bad for the environment



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pasteurize wrote:
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Coming home is where it really hurts. According to the schedule on the mta website, there are trains that leave White Plains, heading towards Manhattan at 9:01 PM and 10:05 PM on weekdays. I won't be making the 9:01 PM train unless I want to miss the end of the game, so that would leave me waiting around a good amount of time for the 10:05 PM train.


Bus?

WCC website says:

"The following Bee Line Buses make stops at the White Plains Transportation Center: 1W, 3, 5, 6, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 20, 21, 27, 40, 41, 60, 63, 77, 92, TZX, IBus, TLC, A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H"

There are Bee Line bus routes between the White Plains TransCenter and the Bronx and Manhattan. Maybe one would work.

This map shows the location of the the TransCenter (1), train station (2) and Westchester County Center (3).

Thanks for that. I can't be positive, but I don't believe the bus will be any better. According to Google maps, the bus route will take 2+ hours just to get to midtown Manhattan. And it'd require taking two separate buses. I think there are more options during rush hour, but heading towards Manhattan at around 9 or 10 PM is difficult. Anyone, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.


This situation undoubtedly presents an unpalatable commute for NYC fans no matter whether it's train, car or bus. I was just trying to link to bus possibilities even if none may end up being convenient. I haven't studied the bus schedules and have no reason to, but I thought perhaps the Bronx bus route might stop near a subway station in the Bronx.


If you live just about anywhere in the Bronx, Metro North from Fordham will probably be your best option. I know it's mine, and it's about a half hour bus ride to get to Metro North. For those who live further south or along the East side train lines, it's a short trip to 125th for a connecting Metro North. A bus from the Bronx by comparison isn't even an option. I've done it. It takes forever. OTOH, Metro North to the game isn't particularly a bother from the Bronx. It's a lot cheaper than coming from Manhattan and the trains run frequently enough to White Plains that it's workable.

The main logistical problem is that trains from White Plains to NYC leave at 9:09 and 10:09. So if a game ends right at 9 or shortly thereafter, you're basically stuck with a wait of an hour. Either inserting a 9:39 train or moving the schedule back by about 20 minutes would make the commute back much more realistic for people. But either way, I don't foresee many (if any) people being willing to take a bus from White Plains to the city.

But facing the obvious facts, if you're traveling to midtown Manhattan and you miss a train, you're stuck with a two-hour plus wait time to get home. If you're going to Brooklyn it's an hour and a half minimum if you even catch the train upon leaving the game. If you're coming from Queens you're well over two hours.

I feel for and understand the perspectives of those who are saying that costs and/or travel time make season tickets a prohibitive option. Right now I'm even on the fence and the trip for me is easier than for others. I'll be faced with a lot of weeknights before work compared to prior years. If the 10:09 train is my option, that means I'll be home 11-11:15 with a 5:15 am wake up. In return I'm getting a second-rate atmosphere along with the feeling that the long-term future of the team is still up in the air. It's not, in my estimation, a favorable trade-off.



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PostPosted: 02/10/18 6:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
It does sound like for a relatively small outlay, the Liberty could garner some much-needed goodwill by running their own shuttle service from Manhattan to Westchester. I doubt they will, but it'd be a nice move.


Bob Lamm brought up the overall logistics as being unworkable, but I can imagine this being suggested as a replacement perk for Delta Club (the big-money season subscribers, who are losing a lot of the comforts of their big-money season tickets).

I have spent more time than I really cared to looking at maps and transit routes to figure out the logistics of this. I know buses. I like buses, when I have the luxury of time. I've used Bee-Line. I've been through the TransCenter and changed buses there. I know *how* to do this. I just don't know if I *can* do this more than six times a year.



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Yeah - looking up schedules, as some of us did, was an attempt to be helpful, but I'd never ride a bus, train or even drive for 2 hours+ both ways to get to a Dream game. TV is too good these days, and the game experience is not so compelling as to make it worth hours of aggravation and/or wasted time not to mention the additional expense. That feeling would be more than compounded with the ownership NY fans are stuck with. In a lot of ways, the NY situation now is a like that of a team leaving town for another city. My heart goes out to you NY fans.



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Queenie wrote:

Bob Lamm brought up the overall logistics as being unworkable, but I can imagine this being suggested as a replacement perk for Delta Club (the big-money season subscribers, who are losing a lot of the comforts of their big-money season tickets).


I always wondered how many of those big money folks bought as part of a Knicks package or bought for business reasons. I sat next to a guy in LA whose 3 awesome seats were used to gift to clients for a game. A game at MSG and dinner nearby is definitely not going to shift to WCC.


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Queenie wrote:

Bob Lamm brought up the overall logistics as being unworkable, but I can imagine this being suggested as a replacement perk for Delta Club (the big-money season subscribers, who are losing a lot of the comforts of their big-money season tickets).


I always wondered how many of those big money folks bought as part of a Knicks package or bought for business reasons. I sat next to a guy in LA whose 3 awesome seats were used to gift to clients for a game. A game at MSG and dinner nearby is definitely not going to shift to WCC.


The tax "reform" bill has made it so those tickets would no longer be deductible which will impact all pro sports teams. I also wonder if the lower corporate tax rates in general will make corporations less likely to spend money on sports teams (and anything else) because a dollar saved is no 79 cents to the bottom line, not 65 cents. I suppose that might be better topic for Area 51.



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Im curious as to the Westchester Liberty season ticket prices,
and how MSG will handle refunds to STH bought thinking
the season would be at MSG.

Many of us are still paying on credit cards

Oh now the logistics fun begins !



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Queenie wrote:
[Bob Lamm brought up the overall logistics as being unworkable, but I can imagine this being suggested as a replacement perk for Delta Club (the big-money season subscribers, who are losing a lot of the comforts of their big-money season tickets).


I hadn't considered this. You're right: it could be offered by Hideous Lord Jimmy's staff as a replacement perk for Delta Club members, depending on how many of them there are and how many will want to renew (given the Westchester location). But I believe it would be unworkable for MSG to offer shuttle buses for lots of Liberty fans or even for most season-ticket holders.



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[I always wondered how many of those big money folks bought as part of a Knicks package or bought for business reasons. I sat next to a guy in LA whose 3 awesome seats were used to gift to clients for a game. A game at MSG and dinner nearby is definitely not going to shift to WCC.


Agreed.



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Im curious as to the Westchester Liberty season ticket prices,
and how MSG will handle refunds to STH bought thinking
the season would be at MSG.

Many of us are still paying on credit cards

Oh now the logistics fun begins !


Yeah, one does wonder if the "Always Loyal" monthly payment, automatic renewal program, was actually not offered in good faith- if this was in the cards even before any public announcements were made. These will certainly be interesting conversations with credit card companies.



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So I watched the Westchester Knicks game yesterday via Facebook Live just to see what the place looked like. The team drew 2,100 for the game. It looked terrible. Poor atmosphere, crowd wasn't into the game. It basically looks like the gym of a community college. I'm sure the Liberty fans will be more into the game and I have to wonder what other pieces Dolan will include at WCC. Even if the Liberty sell out the place, I just don't see this working out in the long run.



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A different question: Will the media coverage of the team change with the move?

I have no idea how much coverage the Liberty received before, but will the move have any impact?



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Will the new NIKE uniforms for the Westchester Liberty include a "FOR SALE"
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ClayK wrote:
A different question: Will the media coverage of the team change with the move?

I have no idea how much coverage the Liberty received before, but will the move have any impact?


Local media coverage of the Liberty has been minimal. This move can only hurt. Playing in the Westchester County Center, where the Westchester Knicks of the D-league play, makes the Liberty and the WNBA look minor league. What's happening isn't only bad for the Liberty franchise and Liberty fans; it hurts the WNBA and women's basketball in general.



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ClayK wrote:
A different question: Will the media coverage of the team change with the move?

I have no idea how much coverage the Liberty received before, but will the move have any impact?


Talk to Doug Feinberg. I'm pretty sure he *is* the media coverage.



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Attended my first Nets game in Brooklyn last night and thought a lot about the Liberty. Barclays is one heck of an arena - I had a direct, 45 minute subway commute and the experience is high quality, very “New York” vibe and grade A facilities. Much prefer going there than MSG. Felt easy to get in and out and it was a very family-friendly, diverse crowd.

I’m going to remain confident that come next year, a local “Force 10” type group of wealthy businesswoman with entrenched backgrounds in sports themselves will step up and buy the Liberty and place them in Barclays. Feels
Like the right thing to do 😀👍🏻


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Attended my first Nets game in Brooklyn last night and thought a lot about the Liberty. Barclays is one heck of an arena - I had a direct, 45 minute subway commute and the experience is high quality, very “New York” vibe and grade A facilities. Much prefer going there than MSG. Felt easy to get in and out and it was a very family-friendly, diverse crowd.

I’m going to remain confident that come next year, a local “Force 10” type group of wealthy businesswoman with entrenched backgrounds in sports themselves will step up and buy the Liberty and place them in Barclays. Feels
Like the right thing to do 😀👍🏻


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That's what I'm hoping for. New owners put the team at the Barclays. Second option, Nassau Coliseum as I think the rent would be cheaper due to lack of events at the moment. Third is Prudential Center in Newark. Granted the Liberty didn't draw well there, 6-7k there is still better than whatever they'll get at WCC.



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Will the new NIKE uniforms for the Westchester Liberty include a "FOR SALE"
banner on the back


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toad455 wrote:
That's what I'm hoping for. New owners put the team at the Barclays. Second option, Nassau Coliseum as I think the rent would be cheaper due to lack of events at the moment. Third is Prudential Center in Newark. Granted the Liberty didn't draw well there, 6-7k there is still better than whatever they'll get at WCC.


If you dont like Westchester for travel ... Nassau would be disaster



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I talked to my rep on Thrusday or Friday, forgot which day. She said the team is looking into shuttle options. Also i stated to her that I will NOT pay MSG prices for WCC. She said that the prices would change and they plan to do a select your seat in about two months. She was also happy to make calls saying we still have a team, compared to a call saying we moved.

Only two games are at msg and they are both 11am games which i cant go to which stinks.

With that said. The only central location that will make EVERYONE happy is MSG. I did the trek to prudential center for three years and i was not thrilled. And i did it from Westchester. I did not like the extra cost and travel i had to take on. But i did because i love my team. If someone wants to see the team badly enough they will do it. here is how my commute went...

bus (sometimes i walked the mile) to metro north, subway to msg (if running late cab to msg) then at msg NJT. On the way home NJT to msg, cab to grand central and train back up to Westchester. And a lot of the time NJT had some sort of issue and ran late.

Normally i would just drive to the game which is far easier.

for me honestly barclays, nassau and prudential would knock me down to a weekend package. I cant do the running around i once did now that i have children.


honestly I HATE Dolan!!! and he is getting his Karma for treating the liberty horribly!!! Rangers imploded and knicks werent great and now they lost their star.


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Just got off the phone with my ticket rep. He said season ticket holders can get a full season refund if they wish.


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jmvcity wrote:
Just got off the phone with my ticket rep. He said season ticket holders can get a full season refund if they wish.


That's been the party line from ticket reps; the thing that worries me is that they so far haven't brought up partial plans. I'm willing to do the six weekend games and maybe the two Kids' Days, and if they have a home preseason game at Columbia like the last two years, that's a half-season right there. But so far the only thing on offer has been a refund.

On one hand, they've got Tina and Katie urging us to make it work. On the other hand, they're basically saying "SHUT UP AND TAKE YOUR MONEY!" Make up your minds, people!



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Queenie wrote:
jmvcity wrote:
Just got off the phone with my ticket rep. He said season ticket holders can get a full season refund if they wish.


That's been the party line from ticket reps; the thing that worries me is that they so far haven't brought up partial plans. I'm willing to do the six weekend games and maybe the two Kids' Days, and if they have a home preseason game at Columbia like the last two years, that's a half-season right there. But so far the only thing on offer has been a refund.

On one hand, they've got Tina and Katie urging us to make it work. On the other hand, they're basically saying "SHUT UP AND TAKE YOUR MONEY!" Make up your minds, people!

That's just bizarre and stupid. After the first choice of 'let us keep all your money', Option B should surely be 'let us keep as much of your money as possible'. It all just seems like a mess.



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As a partial plan guy who had to wait in the past, I know historically they don't offer alternative packages until very close to the start of the season. I guess they want to see how many season tickets they can sell before offering partials. This year, the whole arrangement is blown-up so they have to improvise. Corporate types are not good at improvisation. They are probably planning to have meetings before actually having meetings, and once they have the meetings they will be undecided and need more meetings. My guess is that partial plans will be offered at a later date. Maybe they want to see if they can actually sell some season tickets to Westchester before rolling out partial plans. Given the way this whole process has gone already, there's no reason to suddenly expect speed and common sense when it comes to tickets.



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I think they're calling all STH from 2017 and seeing who renews and who cancels. Then partial plans should be released.



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toad455 wrote:
I think they're calling all STH from 2017 and seeing who renews and who cancels. Then partial plans should be released.


When they called it was just to tell me they are playing in Westchester,
like I duidn't know ! There were no details as to ticket prices or
any other details..."we are having meetings"
They did not ask if I wanted to remain a STH,
of course with out details as to ticket prices for WCC, how could they ask ?



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toad455 wrote:
I think they're calling all STH from 2017 and seeing who renews and who cancels. Then partial plans should be released.


When they called it was just to tell me they are playing in Westchester,
like I duidn't know ! There were no details as to ticket prices or
any other details..."we are having meetings"
They did not ask if I wanted to remain a STH,
of course with out details as to ticket prices for WCC, how could they ask ?


I posted the 5-gm package prices for the Westchester Knicks in the last page of this thread. I would imagine the Liberty tickets would be in the same ballpark. What would you be willing to pay?




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Spoke to Keia today. She understands a lot of the concerns we've brought up here. I don't know how much work one voice can do, but I hammered home as best as I could the point that a) more communication is better and b) putting together partial plans ASAP would help with STH retention and $ retention. (Admittedly, publicly flirting with the Sun probably gives me/Happycappie a bit of leverage.)

There are logistics they have to hammer out- Garden tickets had so many different price levels that it's going to be hard to maintain that at WCC, which means that they have to come up with perks to offer, and, er, well, that is part of the problem, innit? But they are, or at least Keia is, aware of the transportation headaches, both micro and macro, and trying to mitigate those is high on the priority list.

I would say write to your reps. Don't call, write, and encourage them to forward your e-mails up the ladder. Let them know exactly what issues you're facing and if there's anything you can think of that would help you. I know, I know, I'm making it sound like we should do their work for them, but this is that unusual situation in which no one has a winning hand.

Don't be surprised if the team reaches out to you for more than the pat "we're spending the season in Westchester!" call. One of the things I brought up when I spoke to her was the FFO's history of being, well, the FFO, and that a) poor communication kills and b) Liberty fans talk to each other (getting us to shut up is more challenging) so trying to sell us different lines of bullshit will not work.



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I would say write to your reps. Don't call, write, and encourage them to forward your e-mails up the ladder.


My rep was already ignoring me late last season when I tried to get some individual game tickets and also for the playoff. Now that we're 3rd class citizens instead of 2nd class citizens, I wonder if I can be ignored more intensely or more vehemently. Smile



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PostPosted: 02/12/18 7:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I posted the 5-gm package prices for the Westchester Knicks in the last page of this thread. I would imagine the Liberty tickets would be in the same ballpark. What would you be willing to pay?



I wouldn't pay that price difference for a sideline seat. The arena is so small with so few rows that the balcony seats aren't significantly different than the sideline seats. In fact, some may prefer the more elevated view. I used to stand on the walkway behind the balcony when I was filming with a tripod. The view was fine.

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Lib Fan wrote:
toad455 wrote:
I think they're calling all STH from 2017 and seeing who renews and who cancels. Then partial plans should be released.


When they called it was just to tell me they are playing in Westchester,
like I duidn't know ! There were no details as to ticket prices or
any other details..."we are having meetings"
They did not ask if I wanted to remain a STH,
of course with out details as to ticket prices for WCC, how could they ask ?


I got the same exact call that you did. From some dude who sounded like he’d get more excited talking about the weather.



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Dude's name wasn't Andrew, was it?



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NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote:
Lib Fan wrote:
toad455 wrote:
I think they're calling all STH from 2017 and seeing who renews and who cancels. Then partial plans should be released.


When they called it was just to tell me they are playing in Westchester,
like I duidn't know ! There were no details as to ticket prices or
any other details..."we are having meetings"
They did not ask if I wanted to remain a STH,
of course with out details as to ticket prices for WCC, how could they ask ?


I got the same exact call that you did. From some dude who sounded like he’d get more excited talking about the weather.


Do you expect excitement from people working in DolanWorld? Do you think you'd enjoy having that guy's job and making those calls? Especially when they're given information that's seriously inadequate and are well aware they're calling season ticket holders who are rightly furious. I respect the great love you have for our team. But you're not working 40+ hours a week for Hideous Lord Jimmy.



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Bob Lamm wrote:
NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote:
Lib Fan wrote:
toad455 wrote:
I think they're calling all STH from 2017 and seeing who renews and who cancels. Then partial plans should be released.


When they called it was just to tell me they are playing in Westchester,
like I duidn't know ! There were no details as to ticket prices or
any other details..."we are having meetings"
They did not ask if I wanted to remain a STH,
of course with out details as to ticket prices for WCC, how could they ask ?


I got the same exact call that you did. From some dude who sounded like he’d get more excited talking about the weather.


Do you expect excitement from people working in DolanWorld? Do you think you'd enjoy having that guy's job and making those calls? Especially when they're given information that's seriously inadequate and are well aware they're calling season ticket holders who are rightly furious. I respect the great love you have for our team. But you're not working 40+ hours a week for Hideous Lord Jimmy.


Honestly I think the reps were blindsided too. They are stuck in a no win situation created by the idiot Dolan. I have Gabby and she said they are still learning more details and will pass them on as soon as possible. I think it Dolan kept the evening week night games at MSG as much as possible and the other games at WCC more people would continue to support the Liberty. When the whole uncertainty began Gabby said I could have had a refund, continue payments or freeze them. I chose to freeze them.


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PostPosted: 02/16/18 8:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Why have we NOT heard any updates from the Liberty about the move ?
Just how long does it take to "have meetings" ?

Are they doing all they can to lose Season Ticket Holders ?



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Lib Fan wrote:
Why have we NOT heard any updates from the Liberty about the move ?
Just how long does it take to "have meetings" ?

Are they doing all they can to lose Season Ticket Holders ?


Ive gotten that feeling from reps...then send me spam emails to hawk Knick and Ranger plans Rolling Eyes

I do have an ear up there and I do have not hard info but that yes there is a LOT to do in a little time...and that this wasn't simmering for 3 months but also launched about a week ago...im willing to give some time but yes there needs to be an STH meeting...and a select a seat event and most importantly new prices

fyi this is why ive been quiet...some things are classified...some are not...also I am taking my grievances to the source...at some point yes ill share but for now I'm trying to get things settled directly



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Bob Lamm wrote:
NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote:
Lib Fan wrote:
toad455 wrote:
I think they're calling all STH from 2017 and seeing who renews and who cancels. Then partial plans should be released.


When they called it was just to tell me they are playing in Westchester,
like I duidn't know ! There were no details as to ticket prices or
any other details..."we are having meetings"
They did not ask if I wanted to remain a STH,
of course with out details as to ticket prices for WCC, how could they ask ?


I got the same exact call that you did. From some dude who sounded like he’d get more excited talking about the weather.


Do you expect excitement from people working in DolanWorld? Do you think you'd enjoy having that guy's job and making those calls? Especially when they're given information that's seriously inadequate and are well aware they're calling season ticket holders who are rightly furious. I respect the great love you have for our team. But you're not working 40+ hours a week for Hideous Lord Jimmy.


I expect to be treated like a human being. I’m not saying it’s this individual’s fault per se. I do think it’s a top-down thing which is very disrespectful to the people who’ve paid the Garden tens of thousands of dollars over the years. So yeah, I expect communication from someone who sounds like they empathize with that along with some real info instead of telling me info I already know in a voice that sounds like he couldn’t care less. That’s basically salt on an open wound to me.



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NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote:
Lib Fan wrote:
toad455 wrote:
I think they're calling all STH from 2017 and seeing who renews and who cancels. Then partial plans should be released.


When they called it was just to tell me they are playing in Westchester,
like I duidn't know ! There were no details as to ticket prices or
any other details..."we are having meetings"
They did not ask if I wanted to remain a STH,
of course with out details as to ticket prices for WCC, how could they ask ?


I got the same exact call that you did. From some dude who sounded like he’d get more excited talking about the weather.


Do you expect excitement from people working in DolanWorld? Do you think you'd enjoy having that guy's job and making those calls? Especially when they're given information that's seriously inadequate and are well aware they're calling season ticket holders who are rightly furious. I respect the great love you have for our team. But you're not working 40+ hours a week for Hideous Lord Jimmy.


I expect to be treated like a human being. I’m not saying it’s this individual’s fault per se. I do think it’s a top-down thing which is very disrespectful to the people who’ve paid the Garden tens of thousands of dollars over the years. So yeah, I expect communication from someone who sounds like they empathize with that along with some real info instead of telling me info I already know in a voice that sounds like he couldn’t care less. That’s basically salt on an open wound to me.


Is this a "top-down thing"? Of course. But the post that I criticized never said that. It was aimed only at a guy who's probably having a horrible time working for Hideous Lord Jimmy under extremely difficult conditions. The empathy should go both ways. Given your words, it sounds like it went neither way.



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Bob Lamm wrote:
NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote:
Lib Fan wrote:
toad455 wrote:
I think they're calling all STH from 2017 and seeing who renews and who cancels. Then partial plans should be released.


When they called it was just to tell me they are playing in Westchester,
like I duidn't know ! There were no details as to ticket prices or
any other details..."we are having meetings"
They did not ask if I wanted to remain a STH,
of course with out details as to ticket prices for WCC, how could they ask ?


I got the same exact call that you did. From some dude who sounded like he’d get more excited talking about the weather.


Do you expect excitement from people working in DolanWorld? Do you think you'd enjoy having that guy's job and making those calls? Especially when they're given information that's seriously inadequate and are well aware they're calling season ticket holders who are rightly furious. I respect the great love you have for our team. But you're not working 40+ hours a week for Hideous Lord Jimmy.


I expect to be treated like a human being. I’m not saying it’s this individual’s fault per se. I do think it’s a top-down thing which is very disrespectful to the people who’ve paid the Garden tens of thousands of dollars over the years. So yeah, I expect communication from someone who sounds like they empathize with that along with some real info instead of telling me info I already know in a voice that sounds like he couldn’t care less. That’s basically salt on an open wound to me.


Is this a "top-down thing"? Of course. But the post that I criticized never said that. It was aimed only at a guy who's probably having a horrible time working for Hideous Lord Jimmy under extremely difficult conditions. The empathy should go both ways. Given your words, it sounds like it went neither way.


Key words. “Sounds like”. “Aimed at.” I said he sounded like he would get more excited talking about the weather. I didn’t critique whether that was ok or not. But now that you’ve brought it up, let me elaborate. He’s doing a job in this case. I’m the consumer. Coldly telling me info I already know is just that. Cold. It’s someone’s job to inform me and be courteous while doing it. It’s not my job to empathize when that person isn’t doing theirs. Geez. All I said was he sounded like he’d get more excited talking about the weather.

The Liberty have played about 350 home games in their history. I’ve attended about 275. Two people at an average of 60 dollars per game. Along with concessions, road trips, etc. I’ve spent about 20,000 dollars on this team. A little common courtesy shouldn’t be too much to ask in return.



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And you said empathy is a two-way street. How much have I or other season ticket holders received? Zero. So I guess you’re right. I’m giving in return the same empathy.



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NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote:
And you said empathy is a two-way street. How much have I or other season ticket holders received? Zero. So I guess you’re right. I’m giving in return the same empathy.


My last words on.this. Have season ticket holders been treated terribly? Absolutely. Do you think ticket reps and other MSG employees have been treated any better? I don't. Should you take out your anger on Dolan or on some guy in a terrible position--having to make lots of calls with no information--who was probably having a lousy day?



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How did I take my anger out on him? By saying here that he would probably sound more excited talking about the weather? 😂😂😂 I didn’t talk to the man. He left a voice message.

Whoever is doing the job should be courteous enough to act like a human being is on the other end of the phone. They have a job to do. Even if they may not be happy (and you actually have no proof beyond speculation that they’re even unhappy, or that they’ve ever even met Dolan). That’s all I’m saying and I stand by it.

And I’ve had plenty of lousy days in the past two months at work and otherwise. This news hasn’t helped. I doubt seriously that anyone at MSG cares.



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NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote:
How did I take my anger out on him? By saying here that he would probably sound more excited talking about the weather? 😂😂😂 I didn’t talk to the man. He left a voice message.

Whoever is doing the job should be courteous enough to act like a human being is on the other end of the phone. They have a job to do. Even if they may not be happy (and you actually have no proof beyond speculation that they’re even unhappy, or that they’ve ever even met Dolan). That’s all I’m saying and I stand by it.

And I’ve had plenty of lousy days in the past two months at work and otherwise. This news hasn’t helped. I doubt seriously that anyone at MSG cares.


As a Consumer I expect and demand that the person representing the Company trying to keep my business, be professional on the phone. If you are having a bad day or hate you job, fine. Don't pick up the phone until you can be professional. Or quit. As someone whom made a living talking to people on the phone as a 9-1-1 Call Taker, I had to answer each call with professionalism. Even if the person on the previous call died while he was on the phone with me, I had to answer the next one professionally. I expect nothing less from someone trying to inform me about a basketball team.



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