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dinkytown
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 Posted: 01/28/18 2:08 pm ::: #10 Tennessee at LSU - 1/28/18 |
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Currently on SECN
LSU is up 36-35 with 6 minutes left in the 3rd.
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dinkytown
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| Posted: 01/28/18 2:27 pm ::: |
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| 45-40 LSU end of 3.
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| Posted: 01/28/18 2:46 pm ::: |
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Tennessee is a team comprised of talented All American women in DIRE NEED OF A BASKETBALL COACH!
When will the Lady Vol supporters and fans figure this out?
The game has passed Warlick up years ago. She's a 1980's/1990's coach. She cannot adapt.
Simply look at the Lady Vol offense. They simply stand in one place and pass the ball around. Stagnant! The defense is stand around and mostly play zone.
No hustle, no plan, the players just play like their in a playground
The games the Lady Vols win are based purely on All American talent not teaching, coaching and direction. Most wins are against cupcakes set up by Warlick to fool the naive.
These college coaches who have been around years in the same organizations are infested with bureaucrats who support one another. It's very hard to fire an infested coach, especially one related to Summitt.
When will you learn Tennessee.
It's time! Get rid of Holly Warlick now! Do it! Do it! Do it!
She's shamefully making fools out of good supportive people.
Make Tennessee Great Again and Fire Holly Warlick!!!
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zune69
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| Posted: 01/28/18 2:49 pm ::: |
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| I'm just glad Tennessee fans can no longer use DD as the scapegoat.
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| Posted: 01/28/18 2:51 pm ::: |
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| zune69 wrote: |
| I'm just glad Tennessee fans can no longer use DD as the scapegoat. |
Or Middleton and Cooper.
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zune69
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| Posted: 01/28/18 2:54 pm ::: |
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| RavenDog wrote: |
| zune69 wrote: |
| I'm just glad Tennessee fans can no longer use DD as the scapegoat. |
Or Middleton and Cooper. |
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ArtBest23
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| Posted: 01/28/18 4:18 pm ::: |
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Some of this is "self selection".
They're also recruiting and attracting players who want to play that undisciplined style of play. They're getting highly rated players, but most are a particular type of player with a particular type of mindset.
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WfanFrJmp
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| Posted: 01/28/18 7:32 pm ::: |
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Some of this is "self selection".
They're also recruiting and attracting players who want to play that undisciplined style of play. They're getting highly rated players, but most are a particular type of player with a particular type of mindset. |
Interesting point...Would you say that a good coach could get these types on players in shape? This season really has me questioning coaching...I know I'm "coaching" from the comfort of my couch but I get so confused when I watch the Vols go off the rails and there is no time out called, no adjustment to get them back on track. During those times, Holly is just walking around with her arms folded...I don't get it.
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| Posted: 01/28/18 7:38 pm ::: |
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| Do you all think that CHW and staff are telling players to stand around, fail to box out, and let their opponent blow by them when playing defense? Or are players just ignoring what they are being told and doing this stuff of their own volition? How much of this happens because of a bench that is too short to provide a decent substitute if the non-listening player is yanked? Discuss in terms of Tenn as well as current player attitudes in general. And who's attended enough games to really observe the coaching staff vs just seeing the snippets supplied by the camera crew? People on VN who go to the games say CHW does a lot more yelling and instructing than you can appreciate from the broadcasts.
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WfanFrJmp
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| Posted: 01/28/18 8:04 pm ::: |
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| Do you all think that CHW and staff are telling players to stand around, fail to box out, and let their opponent blow by them when playing defense? Or are players just ignoring what they are being told and doing this stuff of their own volition? How much of this happens because of a bench that is too short to provide a decent substitute if the non-listening player is yanked? Discuss in terms of Tenn as well as current player attitudes in general. And who's attended enough games to really observe the coaching staff vs just seeing the snippets supplied by the camera crew? People on VN who go to the games say CHW does a lot more yelling and instructing than you can appreciate from the broadcasts. |
I hear you. I know there is quite a bit that we can't see. I think there is combination of things happening with the team...I just hope they can turn it around.
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| Posted: 01/28/18 8:33 pm ::: |
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One doesn't void the other.
That is, no, DD can't be blamed, but yes, DD fucked that team up.
The constant, of course, is By Golly Miss Holly.
Please, please, PLEASE let her coach the LVs forever.
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| Posted: 01/28/18 9:50 pm ::: |
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| cthskzfn wrote: |
One doesn't void the other.
That is, no, DD can't be blamed, but yes, DD fucked that team up.
The constant, of course, is By Golly Miss Holly.
Please, please, PLEASE let her coach the LVs forever. |
The Lady vols havn't made a final four since 2008......Tennessee was a mess before Diamond ever stepped foot on campus.
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ArtBest23
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| Posted: 01/28/18 10:31 pm ::: |
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| ArtBest23 wrote: |
Some of this is "self selection".
They're also recruiting and attracting players who want to play that undisciplined style of play. They're getting highly rated players, but most are a particular type of player with a particular type of mindset. |
Interesting point...Would you say that a good coach could get these types on players in shape? This season really has me questioning coaching...I know I'm "coaching" from the comfort of my couch but I get so confused when I watch the Vols go off the rails and there is no time out called, no adjustment to get them back on track. During those times, Holly is just walking around with her arms folded...I don't get it. |
Not necessarily.
If you recruit players who are choosing a particular school because they want to play playground ball, it's going to be tough to get them to go along with a structured UConn/ND/Stanford/Baylor style system. If that's what they wanted, they probably could have gone to one of those schools. They had choices. Instead they chose Tenn or Texas or UNC or UCLA because they didn't want to play that way. So you get what you get.
The fundamentals that Tenn lacks aren't rocket science. I learned most of it in grade school. I find it hard to believe Warlick doesn't know how. It requires discipline and the will to play that way. I'm pretty sure Warlick (or Hatchell, for example) could teach a Princeton offense if she chose to do so. She doesn't. Instead Holly is playing her rendition of the Pat style.
By the way, UConn is playing six players, ND only has seven. I'm not buying that the short bench has anything to do with the fundamental style of play.
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| Posted: 01/29/18 7:37 am ::: |
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| You guys have a really good point about insularity. When everyone's fruit of the same tree, you might have trouble getting differing opinions.
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| Posted: 01/29/18 12:29 pm ::: |
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| cthskzfn wrote: |
One doesn't void the other.
That is, no, DD can't be blamed, but yes, DD fucked that team up.
The constant, of course, is By Golly Miss Holly.
Please, please, PLEASE let her coach the LVs forever. |
The Lady vols havn't made a final four since 2008......Tennessee was a mess before Diamond ever stepped foot on campus. |
And a fine contribution to that mess she was.
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| Posted: 01/29/18 2:59 pm ::: |
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| FrozenLVFan wrote: |
| Do you all think that CHW and staff are telling players to stand around, fail to box out, and let their opponent blow by them when playing defense? Or are players just ignoring what they are being told and doing this stuff of their own volition? How much of this happens because of a bench that is too short to provide a decent substitute if the non-listening player is yanked? Discuss in terms of Tenn as well as current player attitudes in general. And who's attended enough games to really observe the coaching staff vs just seeing the snippets supplied by the camera crew? People on VN who go to the games say CHW does a lot more yelling and instructing than you can appreciate from the broadcasts. |
^^^^THIS. EXACTLY^^^^^
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| Posted: 01/29/18 3:43 pm ::: |
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| Btw, does this loss end the "this is a different LV team, they don't lose to teams they shouldn't" idea, or did that line of thinking end w/ the loss at A&M?
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| Posted: 01/29/18 3:59 pm ::: |
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| FrozenLVFan wrote: |
| Do you all think that CHW and staff are telling players to stand around, fail to box out, and let their opponent blow by them when playing defense? Or are players just ignoring what they are being told and doing this stuff of their own volition? How much of this happens because of a bench that is too short to provide a decent substitute if the non-listening player is yanked? Discuss in terms of Tenn as well as current player attitudes in general. And who's attended enough games to really observe the coaching staff vs just seeing the snippets supplied by the camera crew? People on VN who go to the games say CHW does a lot more yelling and instructing than you can appreciate from the broadcasts. |
^^^^THIS. EXACTLY^^^^^ |
I remember a game last year where the coaches were mic’d up and Warlick was telling the players they didn’t need to be so tight guarding the three point line and in a subsequent huddle she was exhalting them to stop letting the opposition take three point shots. Is that Warlick in a nutshell?
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| Posted: 01/29/18 4:42 pm ::: |
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| Has anyone considered the possibility that LSU is good and improving? I haven't paid attention to them at all apart from watching this game, so I don't have any opinion, though I thought their defense in this game was pretty good and there were also some good offensive plays. |
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again, but Holly is a blatant example of the prevalent nepotism in WCBB. She was Pats personal pick to replace her as the Vol coach. My point about Gail Goestenkors evaluation of Boyle as one of the best coaches in WCBB was just another example of that. While Boyle is probably not as bad as Holly, she certainly is not one of the best coaches in WCBB. I followed her career at Cal and she was close to being fired before she resigned to take the Virgina job.
