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[missjoy28]

Well, there were some boos but it was classy of the players to hug Brown.
Marbury is getting his butt kick defensively. Ben Gordon burned him the other day(fortunately we lost the game).

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[CamrnCrz1974]

I am not a fan of Starbury. He never seems to have a good balance between scoring and distributing.

[harlem_basketball]

One of 2 players in NBA history to average 20 points and 8 assists for his career. The other player was only Oscar Robertson.

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[harlem_basketball]

Steve Nash isn't a great floor leader. He's a good floor leader. Great floor leaders play defense. Not talking about you, but I'm tired of people talking about Nash like he's even a top 15 of all time point guard.

With that out of the way, I'm a much bigger fan of X the person than I am Starbury the player and I'm no Knick fan, but even I can admit that he was dealt a horrible hand once he left Kevin and has done a decent job with what he's been given. Part of knowing when to shoot and when to pass is trusting your teammates. I wouldn't trust some of the players X has played with to walk my dog.

In 3 weeks, up to a third of his teammates that he started the regular season with might be somewhere else. Not one player remains from the Knicks team he came to less than 2 years ago. He's had 11 coaches in less than 10 years. Where is the trust and chemistry supposed to come from?

The problem is people expect Steph to be something he's not. I could have told you 17 years ago when we were 12 years old watching him ball on Neptune Avenue that he wasn't a point guard. He's not even the best player in his family. He's just the only one that didn't screw up. Had Norm, Eric or Donny made it, Steph would have been Gerald Wilkins to their Dominique or Solange to their Beyonce. Bassy Telfair is the point guard everyone outside of Coney Island wanted to believe Steph is. Steph isn't a 1 or a 2. He's a ball player. The only position he plays is playmaker and a damn good one at that. But I think people think that just because he's from NY and had all that NY hype that he was supposed to be the second coming of Cousy. He was never the best guard in NY. Again, he was one of the best that didn't screw up and had a family willing to play the media and blue chip game. Big difference.

Look at the teams Nash has played for. Look at how he was able to play behind Johnson and Kidd back in the day. Then look at the teammates Steph's had since he left Minnesota. To average 5 assists playing with the stiffs he's played with is an accomplishment. Everyone compares him to Nash and Kidd after they went to the same teams without looking at simple basketball facts. Look at when Steve Nash and Jason Kidd got the same players Steph had and the other secondary players he's played with. Amare was a baby on and off the court, Kenyon had a broken leg, Van Horn has the basketball IQ of Olga Firsova, Jefferson was a rookie, Marion couldn't hit the broad side of a barn and Houston played about 20 games.

Other than those guys, look at the rest of the rosters and some of the coaches. Jayson Williams was his starting center and Dwayne Casey was his coach. Shit, even Magic Johnson would have averaged 20 shots a game with those sorry Nets teams.

The whole thing is moot anyway. I'd rather have Chauncey Billups running my team than Marbury, Nash or the current version of Kidd.

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[BCBG25]

I like Nash, but he is totally outta control. And as mentioned, plays only on one side of the floor. I was never too mad that Cuban dealt him away, I just didn't like the way he spent his money on an overpaid stiff who only plays in contract years (aka Dampier). Dirk just had his best year away from Nash because he stopped being a 7-0 shooting guard to become the power forward that he was born to be. Nash is a very good point guard, but he's no Jason Kidd and I agree with harlem that I would rather have a rock-solid guy like Chauncey Billups.
BTW, I would've loved to see Steph and the Cambyman on the same team.

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[el_barrio_96_125]

I love it when people get on Stephon's case and disregard everything. It's obvious in examining his teams that they don't know what they're talking about from a basketball standpoint. It usually makes no sense to reason with these people and from reading this thread, this is no exception.

Call ME when Nash or Kidd win a championship. Until then, they're all in the same boat as Marbury.

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[BCBG25]

Since we're talking about how team records get better when Marb leaves, there is one thing to keep in mind. How Larry Brown's teams get better only in his 2nd year as a coach. The Knicks are set to make an impact in the playoffs next year. I don't think they'll be making the playoffs this year, but you never know in a weak-ass division like the Atlantic and with the Nets losing to the lowly Raptors at home (not that they have a big homecourt advantage, but anyway). Someone in the Atlantic will make it by winning the division, so far the Sixers are leading, but they still have a losing record and have played in 18 games whereas the Knicks have played in 15 games. It starts today with beating the Celts at home. Beating our division rivals is the key because we can't do much against the Central or even the Southwest divisions. The Bulls would be leading the Atlantic and they are dead last in the Central. Reminds me of the NL East and NL West, but anyways, I guess Larry knows what it takes and also that we are going to see some trades before the upcoming trading deadline.

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[harlem_basketball]

The Knicks waived Matt Barnes yesterday to make room for one of the 2 for 1 or 3 for 2 deals Isiah has in the works. If he can't pull the trigger, look for him to sign a free agent. It's not a coincidence that Antonio Davis' trade restriction comes off today and Barnes was waived yesterday. And don't believe Larry's nonsense about starting players in their hometowns. He's trying to see who and what works together but he's also showcasing certain players for other teams. Isiah must feel pretty confident that a deal will go through because he was really high on Barnes.

The Knicks will make an impact on the playoffs this year. They might bounce around between 8 and 10 but they will play spoiler for a lot of teams and beat teams people think they shouldn't come the second half of the season. Anyone who actually knows the game of basketball can see that the Knicks of 3 weeks ago or the last 3 years would have never been in that game against Detroit. Any other team other than San Antonio or Miami, and the Knicks win that game. Instead of looking at stats and wins and losses expecting a bottom feeder to turn into a contender over night, people should be looking at the improvement the team has made and how far that improvement will take everyone on the team not named Taylor, Rose, Hardaway or Davis. But people who are all about stats and know nothing about rebuilding teams or young teams who've never won, can't see that the Knicks will take 2 steps forward and 1 step back for a while. Regardless of the end result, the Detroit game was a microcosm of that and in the long run can only be viewed as a positive.

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[harlem_basketball]

Actually, Marbury only played in 18 games for Minnesota in 99. Makes the stat even more worthless.

But we can play the stat game if you like.

In 00-01, Marbury played in 67 games for the Nets.

Keith Van Horn - 49 games played.
Jayson Williams - out with a broken leg that ended his career
Kerry Kittles - out for the season

During the off season, Marbury was traded.

Van Horn in 01-02 - 81 games played
Kittles in 01-02 - 82 games played


In 03-04, Marbury played 34 games for the Suns before being traded to the Knicks.

Amare Stoudemire - 55 games played the entire year, missed between 15 and 18 of Marbury's 34 games with the team.

Amare Stoudemire in 04-05 - 80 games played.


In 03-04, Marbury played 47 games in NY.

Allan Houston played 50 games total the same year. Marbury was traded to the team on January 5, on February 3, Houston went on the injured list for the first time ever as a Knick.

In 04-05, Allan Houston played 20 games.

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OK, the best record the T-Wolves had during Marbury's time there was 45-37 .549 in 97-98.


In the five years after he left they went...

50-32 .610
47-35 .573
50-32 .610
51-31 .622
58-24 .728

They were better with Terrell Brandon, Troy Hudson, or Sam Cassell running the point. I would take Cassell over Marbury any day of the week.

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[el_barrio_96_125]

Somebody is learning the hard way in this thread. This is akin to arguing with Phil Jackson about the triangle offense.

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[el_barrio_96_125]

A classic case of not knowing when to say when. I've never gotten the idea of arguing with someone who isn't really opposing you. All harlem has done is point out that criticizing Marbury has to go deeper than winning percentages. What's with acting like she said he's Isiah Thomas Jr.?

As for Marbury, you can post all the stats you want but the double standards are amazing. Jason Kidd is a career coach killer and he gets a pass. Steve Nash has never played defense a day in his life and he gets a pass. Allen Iverson has some of the worst shot selection ever and he gets a pass. Mike Bibby takes just as many shots as Marbury and he gets a pass. Yet none of them from Marbury to Kidd to Nash to Iverson to Bibby have won a ring.

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