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PostPosted: 10/10/18 11:48 am    ::: Pac 12 2018-2019 Reply Reply with quote

The Coaches poll for the Pac 12 was released today.

Oregon 121 (11 first place votes)
Stanford 107 (1)
Oregon St 104
California 82
Arizona St 79
UCLA 74
USC 66
Utah 50
Colorado 44
Arizona 28
Washington St 19
Washington 18

Based on the vote totals, everyone voted for Oregon to win the league (coaches don't vote for their own team, so Graves voted for Stanford). Stanford and Oregon St were picked next on every ballot but not in the same order.


The Pac 12 Network has coverage of media day starting in a few hours, and ESPNU will have an hour of coverage at 6PM ET.


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PostPosted: 10/10/18 2:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

UCLA was voted #1 two years in a row and that didn't work out so well. I do have more faith in Graves than Close so Oregon's #1 ranking seems more than fair.

I think it's Oregon/Stanford/OSU in no particular order and Cal/ASU/UCLA/USC will battle for #4. Still not sold on Cal being this high with no outside shooting and also Gottlieb, and I also think ASU is too high. UCLA will have to get used to life without Billings and Canada but still with Close. USC's biggest issue will be whether they can have great chemistry with so many new players.


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PostPosted: 10/10/18 3:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Can't think of another major conference in which success seems to regularly correlate with coaching as closely as it does in the PAC. It seems to outweigh talent year after year.


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PostPosted: 10/10/18 3:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think USC may be a bit undervalued ...



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PostPosted: 10/10/18 4:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
I think USC may be a bit undervalued ...


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PostPosted: 10/10/18 5:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think Trakh is seriously undervalued. Right now, until he proves otherwise, one way or another, I think he's the fourth best coach in the league.


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PostPosted: 10/10/18 10:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
I think USC may be a bit undervalued ...


They're an intriguing team but I'm not convinced Trakh is that good of a coach. They're experienced at guard and the two transfers should contribute, but they lost three starters. They'll need someone in the post to step up.


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PostPosted: 10/10/18 10:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

LitePal wrote:
UCLA was voted #1 two years in a row and that didn't work out so well. I do have more faith in Graves than Close so Oregon's #1 ranking seems more than fair.

I think it's Oregon/Stanford/OSU in no particular order and Cal/ASU/UCLA/USC will battle for #4. Still not sold on Cal being this high with no outside shooting and also Gottlieb, and I also think ASU is too high. UCLA will have to get used to life without Billings and Canada but still with Close. USC's biggest issue will be whether they can have great chemistry with so many new players.



Cal is certainly an interesting team this season. I wouldn't say they have no outside shooting. While their guards are generally more adept at driving Asha Thomas hit 35% of her 3's last season and I suspect Keanna Smith will improve this season. Recee Caldwell was poor from 3 last year but hit 36% in 2016-17 Indeed I suspect they will increase their 3 point shots from 16 per game to about 20. The biggest question for me is whether they can keep Kristine Anigwe out of foul trouble, particularly against some of the athletic centers in the league. The other question is whether CJ West or Alaysia Styles can give consistent quality minutes inside. If they can do that fourth place is likely, and they could make the second weekend in the NCAA.


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PostPosted: 10/11/18 9:21 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

calbearman76 wrote:
LitePal wrote:
UCLA was voted #1 two years in a row and that didn't work out so well. I do have more faith in Graves than Close so Oregon's #1 ranking seems more than fair.

I think it's Oregon/Stanford/OSU in no particular order and Cal/ASU/UCLA/USC will battle for #4. Still not sold on Cal being this high with no outside shooting and also Gottlieb, and I also think ASU is too high. UCLA will have to get used to life without Billings and Canada but still with Close. USC's biggest issue will be whether they can have great chemistry with so many new players.



Cal is certainly an interesting team this season. I wouldn't say they have no outside shooting. While their guards are generally more adept at driving Asha Thomas hit 35% of her 3's last season and I suspect Keanna Smith will improve this season. Recee Caldwell was poor from 3 last year but hit 36% in 2016-17 Indeed I suspect they will increase their 3 point shots from 16 per game to about 20. The biggest question for me is whether they can keep Kristine Anigwe out of foul trouble, particularly against some of the athletic centers in the league. The other question is whether CJ West or Alaysia Styles can give consistent quality minutes inside. If they can do that fourth place is likely, and they could make the second weekend in the NCAA.


The key for Cal is Caldwell. If she can come close to 40% from three, the inside will open up for Anigwe. If she's back at 24% (last year's number), only the very undersized Asha Thomas looks to be a three-point threat.

Of course players like Kianna Smith can improve from distance, but if Thomas is all they've got, it could be a long year. On the other hand, Lindsay Gottlieb was gushing about her team at media day (which may or may not mean anything as she's always publicly positive) so maybe this will another big season.



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PostPosted: 10/11/18 11:32 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Recee was also a 28% 3 shooter at UCLA so asking her to get close to a 40% from 2016 is asking quite a bit, IMO.


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PostPosted: 10/11/18 7:08 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
calbearman76 wrote:
LitePal wrote:
UCLA was voted #1 two years in a row and that didn't work out so well. I do have more faith in Graves than Close so Oregon's #1 ranking seems more than fair.

I think it's Oregon/Stanford/OSU in no particular order and Cal/ASU/UCLA/USC will battle for #4. Still not sold on Cal being this high with no outside shooting and also Gottlieb, and I also think ASU is too high. UCLA will have to get used to life without Billings and Canada but still with Close. USC's biggest issue will be whether they can have great chemistry with so many new players.



Cal is certainly an interesting team this season. I wouldn't say they have no outside shooting. While their guards are generally more adept at driving Asha Thomas hit 35% of her 3's last season and I suspect Keanna Smith will improve this season. Recee Caldwell was poor from 3 last year but hit 36% in 2016-17 Indeed I suspect they will increase their 3 point shots from 16 per game to about 20. The biggest question for me is whether they can keep Kristine Anigwe out of foul trouble, particularly against some of the athletic centers in the league. The other question is whether CJ West or Alaysia Styles can give consistent quality minutes inside. If they can do that fourth place is likely, and they could make the second weekend in the NCAA.


The key for Cal is Caldwell. If she can come close to 40% from three, the inside will open up for Anigwe. If she's back at 24% (last year's number), only the very undersized Asha Thomas looks to be a three-point threat.

Of course players like Kianna Smith can improve from distance, but if Thomas is all they've got, it could be a long year. On the other hand, Lindsay Gottlieb was gushing about her team at media day (which may or may not mean anything as she's always publicly positive) so maybe this will another big season.



I agree with you that they need more than just Thomas. I believe that Smith will improve this season. Last year she slumped in the middle of the season so it is hard to get a sense of what her proper level is. In her first 12 games she shot 18-43 (42%), then slumped in her next 12 (6-43, 14%) and rebounded her last 7 games to shoot 12-27 (44%). From what I saw she has good form and at 6 feet tall she can get her shot away easier than Thomas.

I'm not sure what to think of Caldwell. She was certainly a high volume shooter (7 3ptFGA per game over her 2 years at Texas Tech, but I suspect she will be more of a distributor for Cal. From what Coach Gottlieb said of her yesterday I think she sees her as a court leader and I suspect she will spend significant time at the point. The other name that could factor in is M'Cole Cayton. If she has fully healed from her ACL last season she should be in the rotation. Although I always saw her a more of a slasher than an outside threat, she did go 3-9 from beyond the arc in her one game last season.


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