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PostPosted: 12/30/17 5:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Maybe they should get out of the ACC and join the CAA. Sound like they're fast becoming a mid-major Wink No shame in that!


They never should've gone to the ACC in the first place.
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You need some Bible study yourself Q. Maybe you could learn something...


Despite the fact that four of the schools I root for are Catholic (well, maybe three, Iona and I have entered the "it's complicated" status), I'm actually a godless heathen and I rather like being that way.

If an employee of a public, state-run institution is mandating Bible study for her subordinates, that's inappropriate. I'd rather not believe that someone like Coale, who I respect as a coach and as a person, would behave in a way that brings religion into a space that is supposed to be secular. Since I haven't heard any corroboration of that rumor, I'm going to keep that salt shaker handy.



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Maybe they should get out of the ACC and join the CAA. Sound like they're fast becoming a mid-major Wink No shame in that![/quote]

Solely from a hypothetical WBB point of view, the current Big East might be a good fit. Vs a new coach, of course. Or both.[/quote]

Except that BC plays football and the Big East does not. The CAA does, though. And the WBB team would still get skunked in the Big East. So would the men.



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I say the same thing to BC that I do to UConn: y'all wanted to be in a football school in a football conference. This is the life y'all chose, so forget you anyway.

(now, if BC drops football, or at least drops it down to the FCS level, I would think we could have a conversation, but apparently BC would be trying to cross a bridge that was burned to a crisp and is nothing but ashes on the wind)



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How about Mr. Mitchell down in Lexington ? Alot of transfers and a lack of talent on this year's team not looking like the Kentucky im use too . Although he built those teams too something needs to change .


Fingers are crossed but the AD probably won’t do a darn thing. Rolling Eyes

I’m not on the fire Mitchell train yet, but something needs to change. This is the year the transfers hurt he most. Last year Epps and Akhator carried the team on their backs. This team needs an identity in the worst way. If Jennings had not transferred, this team would be a lot different. Morris is the only consistent scorer. Kentucky needs a consistent post in the worst way, along with a more consistent Murray. Roper has been a pleasant surprise. She seems to have put in the work in the off season.


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UK1996 wrote:
~UK~ wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
How about Mr. Mitchell down in Lexington ? Alot of transfers and a lack of talent on this year's team not looking like the Kentucky im use too . Although he built those teams too something needs to change .


Fingers are crossed but the AD probably won’t do a darn thing. :roll:

I’m not on the fire Mitchell train yet, but something needs to change. This is the year the transfers hurt he most. Last year Epps and Akhator carried the team on their backs. This team needs an identity in the worst way. If Jennings had not transferred, this team would be a lot different. Morris is the only consistent scorer. Kentucky needs a consistent post in the worst way, along with a more consistent Murray. Roper has been a pleasant surprise. She seems to have put in the work in the off season.


No question this is a bad year for Mitchell, but with what he has done for the program he deserves a liitle slack See what he can do through the SEC and what he can bring in for next year before you bring out the pitchforks.


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Youth Coach wrote:
summertime blues wrote:


Maybe they should get out of the ACC and join the CAA. Sound like they're fast becoming a mid-major Wink No shame in that!


They never should've gone to the ACC in the first place.


I said that from day one. But, here we are.


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Candi Whittaker at Texas Tech.


Fired today.


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dinkytown wrote:
NoDakSt wrote:
Candi Whittaker at Texas Tech.


Fired today.


Melanie Balcomb resigned a couple of days before Whitaker got fired . Did the interim coach not want her to stick around ?


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If an employee of a public, state-run institution is mandating Bible study for her subordinates, that's inappropriate. I'd rather not believe that someone like Coale, who I respect as a coach and as a person, would behave in a way that brings religion into a space that is supposed to be secular. Since I haven't heard any corroboration of that rumor, I'm going to keep that salt shaker handy.[/quote]
Queenie it is true but nobody going to report this. Everybody know about this ,it common knowledge .Some people are in denial but when you have players lead bible study group, you don't have be reported or questioned. There are two set of OU fans 1.sunshine pumpers (Coale does no wrong) 2. Fans that see the truth.
To be honest player led bible study is very common practice in wbb.


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scfastpitch wrote:
dinkytown wrote:
NoDakSt wrote:
Candi Whittaker at Texas Tech.


Fired today.


Melanie Balcomb resigned a couple of days before Whitaker got fired . Did the interim coach not want her to stick around ?


Balcomb resigned on the 26th because she "needed to focus on dealing with a family medical issue." Swoopes and someone else are staying on as interim coach Shimmy Gray-Miller's assistants. Somehow I doubt all this turmoil is going to turn the team around.


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PostPosted: 01/01/18 7:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Sad to see programs that have given me great memories (such as Texas Tech and Virginia) now mired in the muck of mediocrity.


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calbearman76 wrote:
UK1996 wrote:
~UK~ wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
How about Mr. Mitchell down in Lexington ? Alot of transfers and a lack of talent on this year's team not looking like the Kentucky im use too . Although he built those teams too something needs to change .


Fingers are crossed but the AD probably won’t do a darn thing. Rolling Eyes

I’m not on the fire Mitchell train yet, but something needs to change. This is the year the transfers hurt he most. Last year Epps and Akhator carried the team on their backs. This team needs an identity in the worst way. If Jennings had not transferred, this team would be a lot different. Morris is the only consistent scorer. Kentucky needs a consistent post in the worst way, along with a more consistent Murray. Roper has been a pleasant surprise. She seems to have put in the work in the off season.


No question this is a bad year for Mitchell, but with what he has done for the program he deserves a liitle slack See what he can do through the SEC and what he can bring in for next year before you bring out the pitchforks.


How many will leave at the end of the year will be a bigger much more looming question?


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PostPosted: 01/02/18 12:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I would be surprised if Morris left. She is a Kentucky kid who has dreamed of playing for UK. The current freshman class consists mostly posts, so they should have opportunity for playing time the next two years. My biggest concern is UK has stopped getting the top instate recruits. We have Blair Green for 2019, and Emma King for 2020, but have lost out on Mykasa Robinson, Seygan Robbins, and Lindsay Duvall.


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FrozenLVFan wrote:
scfastpitch wrote:
dinkytown wrote:
NoDakSt wrote:
Candi Whittaker at Texas Tech.


Fired today.


Melanie Balcomb resigned a couple of days before Whitaker got fired . Did the interim coach not want her to stick around ?


Balcomb resigned on the 26th because she "needed to focus on dealing with a family medical issue." Swoopes and someone else are staying on as interim coach Shimmy Gray-Miller's assistants. Somehow I doubt all this turmoil is going to turn the team around.


I'm really glad to see Shimmy get a chance at a head coaching job. She deserves it, even at a mess like Texas Tech. Maybe her cool head can help right the ship. But somehow I think there might have been a little more to this mid-season/early season firing than meets the eye. I don't know how Sheryl Swoopes and Melanie Balcomb could coexist on the same bench. Just saying. But then, y'all already know I don't care much for Melanie. Something about her has always rubbed me the wrong way.



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I'm really glad to see Shimmy get a chance at a head coaching job. She deserves it, even at a mess like Texas Tech. Maybe her cool head can help right the ship.


I'm guessing you mean a "2nd" chance at a head coaching job. She spent 7 years as the head coach at St Louis, finishing her tenure at 71-136 and never having a winning season.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/slu/slu-fires-women-s-basketball-coach/article_19690ffa-65bc-11e1-a960-0019bb30f31a.html


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purduefanatic wrote:
summertime blues wrote:
I'm really glad to see Shimmy get a chance at a head coaching job. She deserves it, even at a mess like Texas Tech. Maybe her cool head can help right the ship.


I'm guessing you mean a "2nd" chance at a head coaching job. She spent 7 years as the head coach at St Louis, finishing her tenure at 71-136 and never having a winning season.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/slu/slu-fires-women-s-basketball-coach/article_19690ffa-65bc-11e1-a960-0019bb30f31a.html


*shrug* I don't pay much attention to St. Louis, so I wouldn't remember that. I do remember her as an assistant at Florida.



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UK loses again today. By the looks of the boxscore the Kittens are having a tough time scoring. Biggest issues are from everything I can see on the recruiting stuff they do not have any big time studs coming. Walz eating Mitchells butt on the good in state kids there too. I am guessing the time has come for Coach Mitchell to ride on out. Kentucky fans are not fans of losing, even in womens basketball.


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Lillian Hidgepork wrote:
UK loses again today. By the looks of the boxscore the Kittens are having a tough time scoring. Biggest issues are from everything I can see on the recruiting stuff they do not have any big time studs coming. Walz eating Mitchells butt on the good in state kids there too. I am guessing the time has come for Coach Mitchell to ride on out. Kentucky fans are not fans of losing, even in womens basketball.


MM has run off coaches and players and still doesn’t realize the problem is him.

These were his comments about recruiting after the mass exodus of players:

‘I would tell you, I’m not sure the measure for us needs to be McDonald’s All-Americans,” Mitchell said. “As we go through the evolution of our program, I think we are learning some things. I’m not necessarily looking at maybe what the public is looking at. So if a kid has a (ranking) number by her name and you are saying that is the right player for Kentucky, that’s not our formula.”

Mitchell says that should not be interpreted as a coach lowering expectations after a tough stretch.’

http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-basketball-women/article106549242.html


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In Boyle's first six seasons at Virginia (i.e., the six seasons before the current one), her overall record is 110–85 (.564). Her ACC record is 43–55 (.439). The only time her teams finished above .500 in conference play was during her first season, when UVA went 9-7, finished 6th in the ACC, and made the WNIT quarterfinals.

Boyle, as written in her contract, got automatic one-year extensions on April 11, 2012, and April 11, 2013. That puts her under contract with UVa through the 2017-18 season (Link: http://www.dailyprogress.com/cavalierinsider/boyle-will-return-as-uva-women-s-basketball-coach/article_cca2d24e-e011-11e5-86cd-8b0b684c9aee.html).

Virginia, with a record of 4-6, is currently 83rd in the Sagarin rankings. While the Cavaliers have played the 24th toughest schedule, the team is 0-3 against the Sagarin Top 25 and 0-4 against the Sagarin Top 50. In the RealTime RPI rankings, Virginia is 155th; in the NCAA RPI ratings, Virginia is 152nd.

In other words, if Virginia does not make the NCAA Tournament or finish in the top half of the ACC, the Cavaliers AD will have the ability to go in a different direction for the once-storied program.


Since December 12, 2017 - when I made this post - UVA has won 7 straight games and opened the ACC season with a 4-0 record. Granted, the quality of the opposition has not been great, but the Hoos are on top of the ACC right now, with Louisville and Notre Dame.

Virginia currently ranks 50th in RPI and 17th in SOS. For Boyle to keep her job, UVA will likely need to make the NCAA Tournament, which means, at the absolutely minimum, double digit wins in conference games and a win in one ACCT game.

Even that might not be enough. The team loses four seniors ,including three of its top six scorers. I am not aware of UVA having any elite players (or even top 100 players) signed for next year (believe UVA has one signee), though the Hoos do have Amandine Toi, an international freshman who is redshirting this year with a knee injury. The sophomore class is pretty good, but without some spring signees or graduate transfers, even replicating a good year this year will be unlikely next year.


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I am very surprised people are mentioning Matthew Mitchell here. Lets assume UK doesn't get much better and they don't make the NCAA tournament, that is the first time that will happen since 2008-2009, his second year. What was UK doing in WBB before Mitchell? I'm guessing they didn't win nearly as much. So he isn't afforded even one rebuild year?

Assistant coach turnover, hey if he made mistakes in hiring why should he not make any changes? Just keep the same staff even if they don't mesh well, if he didn't hire the best fits for his programs? Head coaches have the leeway to do this, assistant coaches are not on long term deals most of the time, this is a transient job for many. Run off is a little harsh, lets say a contract is up, why is the assistant coach supposed to get a default new deal? Can't the head coach evaluate his program at the end of the season and come to a conclusion that a change needs to be made?

Players transferring is an issue but its an issue a lot of places it is just an overall trend in college basketball. And why does every transfer have to be blamed on him? Maybe some of them made mistakes picking Kentucky, he's not forcing anyone to go there, if they aren't happy then great, let them go find a school where they will find happiness. What happened to the kids who went to Oklahoma and Western Kentucky, I didn't even see them on the rosters this year.

I mean if Kentucky is in the NIT 3-4 years in a row ok I get it, but does the guy get no equity built up. Didn't he also just donate a million dollars to the university? It's not even his alma mater.


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Durantula wrote:
I am very surprised people are mentioning Matthew Mitchell here. Lets assume UK doesn't get much better and they don't make the NCAA tournament, that is the first time that will happen since 2008-2009, his second year. What was UK doing in WBB before Mitchell? I'm guessing they didn't win nearly as much. So he isn't afforded even one rebuild year?

Assistant coach turnover, hey if he made mistakes in hiring why should he not make any changes? Just keep the same staff even if they don't mesh well, if he didn't hire the best fits for his programs? Head coaches have the leeway to do this, assistant coaches are not on long term deals most of the time, this is a transient job for many. Run off is a little harsh, lets say a contract is up, why is the assistant coach supposed to get a default new deal? Can't the head coach evaluate his program at the end of the season and come to a conclusion that a change needs to be made?

Players transferring is an issue but its an issue a lot of places it is just an overall trend in college basketball. And why does every transfer have to be blamed on him? Maybe some of them made mistakes picking Kentucky, he's not forcing anyone to go there, if they aren't happy then great, let them go find a school where they will find happiness. What happened to the kids who went to Oklahoma and Western Kentucky, I didn't even see them on the rosters this year.

I mean if Kentucky is in the NIT 3-4 years in a row ok I get it, but does the guy get no equity built up. Didn't he also just donate a million dollars to the university? It's not even his alma mater.


I love your dedication to save your coach , unfortunately he is not producing. And it only looks to be getting worse .



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WNBA 09 wrote:
Durantula wrote:
I am very surprised people are mentioning Matthew Mitchell here. Lets assume UK doesn't get much better and they don't make the NCAA tournament, that is the first time that will happen since 2008-2009, his second year. What was UK doing in WBB before Mitchell? I'm guessing they didn't win nearly as much. So he isn't afforded even one rebuild year?

Assistant coach turnover, hey if he made mistakes in hiring why should he not make any changes? Just keep the same staff even if they don't mesh well, if he didn't hire the best fits for his programs? Head coaches have the leeway to do this, assistant coaches are not on long term deals most of the time, this is a transient job for many. Run off is a little harsh, lets say a contract is up, why is the assistant coach supposed to get a default new deal? Can't the head coach evaluate his program at the end of the season and come to a conclusion that a change needs to be made?

Players transferring is an issue but its an issue a lot of places it is just an overall trend in college basketball. And why does every transfer have to be blamed on him? Maybe some of them made mistakes picking Kentucky, he's not forcing anyone to go there, if they aren't happy then great, let them go find a school where they will find happiness. What happened to the kids who went to Oklahoma and Western Kentucky, I didn't even see them on the rosters this year.

I mean if Kentucky is in the NIT 3-4 years in a row ok I get it, but does the guy get no equity built up. Didn't he also just donate a million dollars to the university? It's not even his alma mater.


I love your dedication to save your coach , unfortunately he is not producing. And it only looks to be getting worse .


He's not my coach, I just think its absurd to think he is on the hot seat with one bad year.


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Durantula wrote:
I am very surprised people are mentioning Matthew Mitchell here. Lets assume UK doesn't get much better and they don't make the NCAA tournament, that is the first time that will happen since 2008-2009, his second year. What was UK doing in WBB before Mitchell? I'm guessing they didn't win nearly as much. So he isn't afforded even one rebuild year?

Assistant coach turnover, hey if he made mistakes in hiring why should he not make any changes? Just keep the same staff even if they don't mesh well, if he didn't hire the best fits for his programs? Head coaches have the leeway to do this, assistant coaches are not on long term deals most of the time, this is a transient job for many. Run off is a little harsh, lets say a contract is up, why is the assistant coach supposed to get a default new deal? Can't the head coach evaluate his program at the end of the season and come to a conclusion that a change needs to be made?

Players transferring is an issue but its an issue a lot of places it is just an overall trend in college basketball. And why does every transfer have to be blamed on him? Maybe some of them made mistakes picking Kentucky, he's not forcing anyone to go there, if they aren't happy then great, let them go find a school where they will find happiness. What happened to the kids who went to Oklahoma and Western Kentucky, I didn't even see them on the rosters this year.

I mean if Kentucky is in the NIT 3-4 years in a row ok I get it, but does the guy get no equity built up. Didn't he also just donate a million dollars to the university? It's not even his alma mater.


Should donating to a school ensure job security? Seriously!??

It’s easy to support a coach from afar. Keep drinking the Matthew Mitchell Kool-Aid.


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Durantula wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Durantula wrote:
I am very surprised people are mentioning Matthew Mitchell here. Lets assume UK doesn't get much better and they don't make the NCAA tournament, that is the first time that will happen since 2008-2009, his second year. What was UK doing in WBB before Mitchell? I'm guessing they didn't win nearly as much. So he isn't afforded even one rebuild year?

Assistant coach turnover, hey if he made mistakes in hiring why should he not make any changes? Just keep the same staff even if they don't mesh well, if he didn't hire the best fits for his programs? Head coaches have the leeway to do this, assistant coaches are not on long term deals most of the time, this is a transient job for many. Run off is a little harsh, lets say a contract is up, why is the assistant coach supposed to get a default new deal? Can't the head coach evaluate his program at the end of the season and come to a conclusion that a change needs to be made?

Players transferring is an issue but its an issue a lot of places it is just an overall trend in college basketball. And why does every transfer have to be blamed on him? Maybe some of them made mistakes picking Kentucky, he's not forcing anyone to go there, if they aren't happy then great, let them go find a school where they will find happiness. What happened to the kids who went to Oklahoma and Western Kentucky, I didn't even see them on the rosters this year.

I mean if Kentucky is in the NIT 3-4 years in a row ok I get it, but does the guy get no equity built up. Didn't he also just donate a million dollars to the university? It's not even his alma mater.


I love your dedication to save your coach , unfortunately he is not producing. And it only looks to be getting worse .


He's not my coach, I just think its absurd to think he is on the hot seat with one bad year.


Agreed. Let's see what kind of recruits he has coming and what he does with them next year. Assistants come and assistants go. That's just a fact of life. Get used to it. Rarely do they stay as long as those at UConn or UT.



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UK from everything I can find online does not have a lot of immediate help on the way in terms of recruits.

At face value his current staff are going to struggle getting players.

Associate Head Coach Kyra Elzy was fired from her job at her alma mater Tennessee. Many reasons why this could happen, but if you cant recruit to Tennessee( and I am not a Tennessee fan) then you sure cant recruit to Kentucky.

Lin Dunn. While she maybe a hall of famer, the game has passed her by. She does not recruit according the the papers and is just basically a consultant that he brought on when all the coaches left.

Niya Butts was the head coach at Arizona for several years. We see how that turned out.

Mitchell has admitted he needs to be around the program more( I cant remember where I seen this, but when all was leaving he made this statement I am sure google could find it if someone has time) so that means he is not on top of recruiting like he needs to be. I think this will support what I said in the beginning, that they do not appear to have alot of help coming. He lost some of the best instate recruits to Jeff Walz and Louisville( who I am not a fan of either) and if you can protect your home state at the flagstaff state university then you got big trouble.

He may survive another year or so, but unless something changes soon, this is a train wreck from the outside looking in. From my casual fan perception, this will get to the point of a coach thats stayed too long and every year he is there it will set the recruiting back more and more till they are a bottom dweller in the SEC. Oh wait, they already are.

http://www.secsports.com/standings/womens-basketball


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Some people make better assistants than HCs. That is a proven fact. And are happier doing it. Or as my dad used to say (and it's politically incorrect these days, I suppose), "Some folks are much better Indians than they are chiefs."

Make of that what you will.



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Durantula wrote:
He's not my coach, I just think its absurd to think he is on the hot seat with one bad year.


Lillian Hidgepork wrote:
UK from everything I can find online does not have a lot of immediate help on the way in terms of recruits.

At face value his current staff are going to struggle getting players.

He may survive another year or so, but unless something changes soon, this is a train wreck from the outside looking in. From my casual fan perception, this will get to the point of a coach thats stayed too long and every year he is there it will set the recruiting back more and more till they are a bottom dweller in the SEC.


Last eight seasons:
2009–10 - 28–8 (Elite Eight)
2010–11 - 25-9 (Second Round)
2011–12 - 28–7 (Elite Eight)
2012–13 - 30–6 (Elite Eight)
2013–14 - 26–9 (Sweet 16)
2014–15 - 24–10 (Second Round)
2015–16 - 25–8 (Sweet 16)
2016–17 - 22–11 (Second Round)

Actually, this looks relatively similar (in terms of year-end finishes) to another coach:

2009–10 - 30-6 (Elite Eight)
2010–11 - 32-4 (Elite Eight)
2011–12 - 27-6 (Elite Eight)
2012–13 - 33-3 (Elite Eight)
2013–14 - 28-7 (Second Round)
2014–15 - 23-11 (Sweet 16)
2015–16 - 20-12
2016–17 - 28-6 (Second Round)

This is the record of Duke's Joanne P. McCallie.

Basically, both coaches have done very well over the past eight years. Each coach won at least 25 games in six of eight seasons. Each coach made at least 3 Elite Eights. Each coach made the Sweet 16 at least five teams.

That being said, how are both coaches trending? This year for Mitchell, the trend is down, but it could be trending up for next year (see below). For McCallie, Duke bounced back last year and is having a good year this year, but the program may be trending downward).

McCallie loses Lexie Brown, Rebecca Greenwell, and Erin Mathias. The three seniors account for 42.1 ppg and 15.9 rpg, not to mention over 58 percent of the team's steals, over 58 percent of the team's made three-point baskets, over 58 percent of the team's made free throws.

Unlike previous years, Duke does not have a stellar recruiting class coming in. None of the three players is ranked in the top 50; all three have rankings over 100 by at least one rating service. Now, Duke will get Kyra Lambert and Mikayla Boykin back next year, which will help, to go with Gorecki and Odom. But unless the freshmen post players develop and unless recruiting picks up, there will be very little depth.

Still, with the current roster, Duke can survive one down recruiting year, if Lambert and Boykin come back healthy and Jade Williams gets stronger and develops into a solid post presence. But not two bad recruiting years. 2019 recruiting is key for Coach P.

With Kentucky, the team loses three seniors, but returns its three best players. And Kentucky signed Ryhne Howard, the #18 player in 2018, and Blair Green, the #46 player in the class, per Prospects Nation (Howard is #31 and Green is #71, per ESPN Hoopgurlz).

In other words, it is premature to have Mitchell on the hot seat (or McCallie, for that matter). He survived a wave of transfers and staff defections, much like McCallie survived some transfers and an investigation into her conduct based on a complaint from a former player). And as I have learned (the hard way), not liking a coach and not getting the exact results one might expect are not reasons for putting a coach on the hot seat, especially when he/she wins at least 70 percent of his/her games.

As an additional caveat, Duke extended Coach P through the 2020-21 season. Not sure of the financial terms of the contract extension, but in 2015, she was credited with nearly $1.2 million, an amount that basically was unchanged from 2014 (when she was credited with nearly $1.2 million, including a more than $200,000 raise in her base pay, which was reported at $975,000).

Kentucky just extended Mitchell's contract last month,to run through 2022. Mitchell's base salary is $825,000; he will receive five percent increases each year. As reported, he will also will get paid from incentives. He will receive $250,000 for an Elite Eight appearance, $400,000 for a Final Four appearance, and $500,000 if the team wins the national title.

Given what these two coaches earn, the opportunities to terminate either or both coaches for cause - when the universities would not owe the full amounts of the respective contracts - was back at the end of 2016, when Duke launched an investigation into McCallie's conduct and Kentucky was dealing with a mass exit of six players. Since both coaches were retained - and since extended - there is virtually zero likelihood of either coach being terminated without cause, especially with more than one year remaining on the respective contracts.


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Regarding Kentucky - good podcast in the Lexington Herald-Leader by a local sports columnist and women's hoops beat writer Jennifer Smith. She sheds some good insights - some of which I didn't know before. Essentially Mitchell had made some bad hires on his staff over the years, then was rather "hands off" with the day to day, and then the avalanche of transfers happened for a variety of (different) reasons. Linnae Harper was the first major departure and then the rest went like wildfire - but Camara and Jennings were easily the biggest losses, perhaps lured by the culture from high school/AAU and whispers they should go to "better" programs aka UConn and South Carolina.

Net/net recruiting took a huge hit and they lost basically two recruiting classes in a row (thought his current crop of freshmen have promise, they just need time to mature).

The podcast is in the story below on SoundCloud - more journalism like this please!

http://amp.kentucky.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sidelines-with-john-clay/article193701189.html?__twitter_impression=true


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Regarding the defections among coaching staff and players, that has to be one of the most amicable aftermaths of any mass breakup. I still haven't heard of any bad blood among anyone involved.



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I expect NDSU to make a change and sever ties with Maren Walseth after this season. Bison have won one conference game this far with the Bunnies rolling into town next. And they really aren't competitive in the losses. Walseth is in her 4th season and the new AD hopefully will look to make a change



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PRballer wrote:
Regarding Kentucky - good podcast in the Lexington Herald-Leader by a local sports columnist and women's hoops beat writer Jennifer Smith. She sheds some good insights - some of which I didn't know before. Essentially Mitchell had made some bad hires on his staff over the years, then was rather "hands off" with the day to day, and then the avalanche of transfers happened for a variety of (different) reasons. Linnae Harper was the first major departure and then the rest went like wildfire - but Camara and Jennings were easily the biggest losses, perhaps lured by the culture from high school/AAU and whispers they should go to "better" programs aka UConn and South Carolina.

Net/net recruiting took a huge hit and they lost basically two recruiting classes in a row (thought his current crop of freshmen have promise, they just need time to mature).

The podcast is in the story below on SoundCloud - more journalism like this please!

http://amp.kentucky.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sidelines-with-john-clay/article193701189.html?__twitter_impression=true


Watching tOSU these days, I can't help wondering if Harper regrets her decision. And I'm betting on McGuff's chair being a little warm, maybe next year.



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PostPosted: 01/29/18 3:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Pitt?
Wake?
Georgia Tech?

The first two programs seem especially stuck, even with what seemed like good hires at the time. GT has some great recruits, and I think Joseph is a pretty good coach - just seems like they haven't been in the tourney for a while.


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Also, Minnesota? Ole Miss? Auburn?


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Penn State? Coquese is cool and a good recruiter, but after top finishes in the B1G from 2011 to 2014 what's happened since?


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I wiki'd GT. Starting in 2006 they had a run of 6 NCAA appearances.
Then took a year off before last appearance 4 years ago. Joseph has been going the international route lately and eschewing the rich instate talent. Certainly nothing sustained. In my mind was never a high profile program so maybe OK with that schools admin that she flies under the radar.

I kind of feel the same about Wake.

Minnesota did get rid of Borton because of performance so one would think the admin would scrutinize Stollings. Outside of Volleyball, everything at the U is mediocre as the of late especially with the faltering of the men's team. She may get a few more seasons to make a mark.



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I wiki'd GT. Starting in 2006 they had a run of 6 NCAA appearances.
Then took a year off before last appearance 4 years ago. Joseph has been going the international route lately and eschewing the rich instate talent.


Georgia Tech has some of the same problems that Stanford fans complain about. They don't lower the admission standards for non-football athletes and Tech is not easy to get into.



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Minnesota did get rid of Borton because of performance so one would think the admin would scrutinize Stollings. Outside of Volleyball, everything at the U is mediocre as the of late especially with the faltering of the men's team. She may get a few more seasons to make a mark.


There’s been a couple of administration changes since the Borton firing, and the prior administration gave Stollings an extension to 2021 before bowing out.

I think Stollings would be alright if she’d tweek a few things, such as emphasizing defense more, going away from a 4 guard system, and closing the Minnesota borders (build a wall). These things aren’t inconceivably out of her reach. As it is this season, the team is within reach of the NCAA tourney with a couple more upsets and winning the games they’re supposed to win.



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Watching tOSU these days, I can't help wondering if Harper regrets her decision. And I'm betting on McGuff's chair being a little warm, maybe next year.


There is no reason for them to struggle and lose those games they lost. Player for player, I don't think anyone can argue that they have by far the most talent in the Big Ten this year. However, they play with absolutely zero discipline and he lets them do whatever they want, especially Mitchell. Talent will only take you so far.


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purduefanatic wrote:
summertime blues wrote:
Watching tOSU these days, I can't help wondering if Harper regrets her decision. And I'm betting on McGuff's chair being a little warm, maybe next year.


There is no reason for them to struggle and lose those games they lost. Player for player, I don't think anyone can argue that they have by far the most talent in the Big Ten this year. However, they play with absolutely zero discipline and he lets them do whatever they want, especially Mitchell. Talent will only take you so far.


And they play no defense at all.



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I'm wondering about Coquese Washington. Aside of a nice run with Maggie Lucas, her time at Penn State has been pretty bad. This year looks to be the fourth in a row without making a tournament, and it could be the third out of four years with a losing record.

I'm surprised she has struggled like this.


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PUmatty wrote:
I'm wondering about Coquese Washington. Aside of a nice run with Maggie Lucas, her time at Penn State has been pretty bad. This year looks to be the fourth in a row without making a tournament, and it could be the third out of four years with a losing record.

I'm surprised she has struggled like this.


Year, School, Overall Record, Big Ten record, Big Ten standings, postseason finish:

2007–08 Penn State 13–18 4–14 10th
2008–09 Penn State 11–18 6–12 T–7th
2009–10 Penn State 17–14 8–10 T–6th WNIT 1st Round
2010–11 Penn State 25–10 11–5 2nd NCAA 2nd Round
2011–12 Penn State 26–7 13–3 1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2012–13 Penn State 26–6 14–2 1st NCAA 2nd Round
2013–14 Penn State 24–8 13–3 T–1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2014–15 Penn State 6–24 3–15 T-13th
2015–16 Penn State 12–19 6–12 11th
2016–17 Penn State 21-11 9-7 T-6th WNIT Third Round

Lucas graduated in 2014. And while there was a dip afterward followed by improvement last year, this year has been a regression - 14-11 overall, 5-7 in the Big Ten.

In 2015, Washington received a two-year contract extension, designed to keep her through at least the 2018-19 campaign.

So it will be interesting to see if Penn State wants to make a move this year (with one year remaining) or just let her contract expire.


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I think sometimes it comes down to how much the fan base is invested.




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Terri Williams-Flournoy at Auburn should be on the hot seat. However, due to an unexplainable extension last year, in addition to a new AD and the incoming recruiting class being very promising, the word is that she will get another year regardless of the outcome of this season.

Her style of play will never produce a team capable of competing with the top tier SEC teams. She is a very nice woman that runs a clean program and graduates her players, but when you get paid $600,000 plus a year, results have to come.


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Is it time to start looking at Clemson? They are 1-12 in conference and will finish 1-15 or 2-14 at best. The wins on their schedule are mostly against losing teams in lower tier conferences. The win against BC may be the best on the season.


I would agree with you, based on their records before this year:

2013–14 13-19
2014–15 9-21
2015–16 4-24
2016–17 15-16

Before this year, her teams were 8-55 in the ACC. This year (as of 02/12/2018), Clemson is 1-12 in the ACC and 11-15 overall.

Problem is, Audra Smith received a contract extension through the 2020-21 season. Is Clemson really going to buy out the remaining three years of her contract?


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CoachRossWBB wrote:
Is it time to start looking at Clemson? They are 1-12 in conference and will finish 1-15 or 2-14 at best. The wins on their schedule are mostly against losing teams in lower tier conferences. The win against BC may be the best on the season.


I would agree with you, based on their records before this year:

2013–14 13-19
2014–15 9-21
2015–16 4-24
2016–17 15-16

Before this year, her teams were 8-55 in the ACC. This year (as of 02/12/2018), Clemson is 1-12 in the ACC and 11-15 overall.

Problem is, Audra Smith received a contract extension through the 2020-21 season. Is Clemson really going to buy out the remaining three years of her contract?


I think they have to with the experience she had coming back. For them to take this big a step backward it doesn't make sense to continue on this track.


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CoachRossWBB wrote:
CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
CoachRossWBB wrote:
Is it time to start looking at Clemson? They are 1-12 in conference and will finish 1-15 or 2-14 at best. The wins on their schedule are mostly against losing teams in lower tier conferences. The win against BC may be the best on the season.


I would agree with you, based on their records before this year:

2013–14 13-19
2014–15 9-21
2015–16 4-24
2016–17 15-16

Before this year, her teams were 8-55 in the ACC. This year (as of 02/12/2018), Clemson is 1-12 in the ACC and 11-15 overall.

Problem is, Audra Smith received a contract extension through the 2020-21 season. Is Clemson really going to buy out the remaining three years of her contract?


I think they have to with the experience she had coming back. For them to take this big a step backward it doesn't make sense to continue on this track.


I agree that they should.

At Clemson, athletic department revenue was over $104 million in fiscal year 2017, eclipsing $100 million for the first time and up from $69 million in fiscal year 2014. That being sad, total expenses were $103,059,980 in fiscal year 2017.

The question is whether Clemson remains committed to WBB, and, if so, the extent of the commitment (and whether the extent includes buying out three years of a coaching contract and paying a new coach).


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Her salary before the extension was reportedly $245K plus $30K in other university compensation so a buyout after presumably receiving a raise is likely going to be $900K.


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Candace Jackson at College of Charleston is having a terrible season and seems to be heading in the wrong direction.


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CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
CoachRossWBB wrote:
CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
CoachRossWBB wrote:
Is it time to start looking at Clemson? They are 1-12 in conference and will finish 1-15 or 2-14 at best. The wins on their schedule are mostly against losing teams in lower tier conferences. The win against BC may be the best on the season.


I would agree with you, based on their records before this year:

2013–14 13-19
2014–15 9-21
2015–16 4-24
2016–17 15-16

Before this year, her teams were 8-55 in the ACC. This year (as of 02/12/2018), Clemson is 1-12 in the ACC and 11-15 overall.

Problem is, Audra Smith received a contract extension through the 2020-21 season. Is Clemson really going to buy out the remaining three years of her contract?


I think they have to with the experience she had coming back. For them to take this big a step backward it doesn't make sense to continue on this track.


I agree that they should.

At Clemson, athletic department revenue was over $104 million in fiscal year 2017, eclipsing $100 million for the first time and up from $69 million in fiscal year 2014. That being sad, total expenses were $103,059,980 in fiscal year 2017.

Here is the real question? Would the athletic donors at Clemson prefer an ACC Championship in WBB or one more win in football every five years. I think we know the answer so I can't see buying out 3 years of a WBB coach.

The question is whether Clemson remains committed to WBB, and, if so, the extent of the commitment (and whether the extent includes buying out three years of a coaching contract and paying a new coach).


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