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PostPosted: 03/02/18 12:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

CoachRossWBB wrote:
Candace Jackson at College of Charleston is having a terrible season and seems to be heading in the wrong direction.


I completely agree, Coach Ross.

Jackson's predecessor was Natasha Adair, who inherited a team that went 7-23 the year before. In two seasons, Adair's teams performed as follows:

2012–13
16-16 (11-9, T-5th, Southern Conference)
2013–14
9-15 (9-7, T-3rd, Colonial Athletic Association)

Adair left to take over Georgetown.

In four seasons (this is her fourth), Candice Jackson's teams have performed as follows:

2014–15
5-25 (3-15, 9th, Colonial Athletic Association)
2015-16
11-20 (5-13, 8th, Colonial Athletic Association)
2016-2017
9-21 (6-12, 7th, Colonial Athletic Association)
2017-18
6-22 (2-15, 10th, Colonial Athletic Association)
(one regular season game remaining)

In other words, Coach Jackson took over a program that was clearly trending upward and had made a very swift turnaround under her predecessor, and Coach Jackson has taken the program several steps in the wrong direction.

In 2016, former College of Charleston women's basketball player Zoe Wallis filed a lawsuit, saying negligence by coach Candice Jackson and her staff led to Wallis collapsing during a training run over the city's iconic Ravenel Bridge.

From the link:

Wallis said in the filing that she suffered damage to her liver and kidneys during a timed, five-mile run in August 2014 across the span. Wallis collapsed during the run, saying she tried to tell coaches several times she needed to stop, the suit said.

The suit says Jackson called Wallis "weak" and should crawl to the finish line. Wallis was taken to an emergency room, where she had an internal body temperature of 104.6 degrees. She was admitted to intensive care and remained hospitalized for two days.


I have not checked the docket to see the status of the lawsuit, but College of Charleston is a public liberal arts college, so if this matter settled for a significant amount, it likely would have been published.


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I’m watching the Bowling Green v. Western Michigan 1st round MAC game.

BGSU was the dominant team in the MAC for 10 years. Since Jennifer Roos assumed the HC position from Curt Miller, she was able to sustain some success and then has severely droppped off.

2012-13 24-11 (.686) 11- 5 (.688) 2nd in East Advanced to Third Round
2013-14 30- 5 (.857) 17- 1 (.944) FIRST in East* Advanced to Semifinals
2014-15 9-21 (.300) 2-16 (.111) 6th in East Lost in First Round
2015-16 10-18 (.357) 6-12 (.333) 4th in East Lost in First Round
2016-17 8-23 (.258) 4-14 (.222) 5th in East Lost in First Round
2017-18 11-19, 3-15 5th in East (11th seed) Lost in First Round


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PostPosted: 03/05/18 8:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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NoDakSt wrote:
Minnesota did get rid of Borton because of performance so one would think the admin would scrutinize Stollings. Outside of Volleyball, everything at the U is mediocre as the of late especially with the faltering of the men's team. She may get a few more seasons to make a mark.


There’s been a couple of administration changes since the Borton firing, and the prior administration gave Stollings an extension to 2021 before bowing out.

I think Stollings would be alright if she’d tweek a few things, such as emphasizing defense more, going away from a 4 guard system, and closing the Minnesota borders (build a wall). These things aren’t inconceivably out of her reach. As it is this season, the team is within reach of the NCAA tourney with a couple more upsets and winning the games they’re supposed to win.


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Brian Neal at Xavier was left with a mess of a program when he took over after Amy Waugh's unfortunate departure, and it looked like a couple of years ago that he might be turning the corner.

Given the success that X had under both Melanie Balcomb and Kevin McGuff, it's been frustrating to see the program fall apart. Apathy seems to be the best word to describe the atmosphere around the program. I have no inside knowledge, but it seems as a fan like the administration went all-in on women's basketball during the Amber Harris years and still couldn't build much of a following, and now they've resigned themselves to giving up.

Given the success and rabid fan bases of the Xavier and Cincinnati's men's teams, it's always been puzzling to me why the women's programs have had terrible attendance numbers and general interest. Cincinnati has a huge network of high school talent and basketball fans to draw on. This is UC's best team in a long time and they scored 21 points against UConn last night.

Xavier lost this past weekend in the play-in game in the Big East tournament, so it's possible that Neal might be let go. But with each day that passes where it doesn't happen, it seems less likely.

Xavier under Neal:
2013-14 8-23 (3-15)
2014-15 18-15 (8-10)
2015-16 17-13 (8-10) WBI bid
2016-17 12-18 (4-14)
2017-18 10-20 (3-15)


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PostPosted: 03/06/18 10:37 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

HomerCecil wrote:
Given the success and rabid fan bases of the Xavier and Cincinnati's men's teams, it's always been puzzling to me why the women's programs have had terrible attendance numbers and general interest.


They are completely different audiences, and institutional support for one does not always mean the same for the other.



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PostPosted: 03/06/18 10:51 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

HomerCecil wrote:
Brian Neal at Xavier was left with a mess of a program when he took over after Amy Waugh's unfortunate departure, and it looked like a couple of years ago that he might be turning the corner.

Given the success that X had under both Melanie Balcomb and Kevin McGuff, it's been frustrating to see the program fall apart. Apathy seems to be the best word to describe the atmosphere around the program. I have no inside knowledge, but it seems as a fan like the administration went all-in on women's basketball during the Amber Harris years and still couldn't build much of a following, and now they've resigned themselves to giving up.

Given the success and rabid fan bases of the Xavier and Cincinnati's men's teams, it's always been puzzling to me why the women's programs have had terrible attendance numbers and general interest. Cincinnati has a huge network of high school talent and basketball fans to draw on. This is UC's best team in a long time and they scored 21 points against UConn last night.

Xavier lost this past weekend in the play-in game in the Big East tournament, so it's possible that Neal might be let go. But with each day that passes where it doesn't happen, it seems less likely.

Xavier under Neal:
2013-14 8-23 (3-15)
2014-15 18-15 (8-10)
2015-16 17-13 (8-10) WBI bid
2016-17 12-18 (4-14)
2017-18 10-20 (3-15)


It's depressing how often a successful men's program often leads to an ignored women's program.

And apparently Val Ackerman doesn't like the optics of only 1 out of 10 head coaches in the Big East being female (Krieger at Marquette) and is pushing for more female hires. So there's probably pressure from that angle. Godlevske at Butler might also have a slightly warm seat because of that, but I think he's primed for a big year next year and should be safe.

(hey, novel concept, Val: maybe make sure your institutions are providing appropriate support so that your coaches don't flee for Michigan, or Auburn, or Delaware)



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PostPosted: 03/06/18 12:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
HomerCecil wrote:
Given the success and rabid fan bases of the Xavier and Cincinnati's men's teams, it's always been puzzling to me why the women's programs have had terrible attendance numbers and general interest.


They are completely different audiences, and institutional support for one does not always mean the same for the other.


Well, of course. But I think the disparity here is greater than it is most other places.


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HomerCecil wrote:
pilight wrote:
HomerCecil wrote:
Given the success and rabid fan bases of the Xavier and Cincinnati's men's teams, it's always been puzzling to me why the women's programs have had terrible attendance numbers and general interest.


They are completely different audiences, and institutional support for one does not always mean the same for the other.


Well, of course. But I think the disparity here is greater than it is most other places.


It's less than some of the P5 schools, like Kansas or Clemson.



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pilight wrote:
HomerCecil wrote:
pilight wrote:
HomerCecil wrote:
Given the success and rabid fan bases of the Xavier and Cincinnati's men's teams, it's always been puzzling to me why the women's programs have had terrible attendance numbers and general interest.


They are completely different audiences, and institutional support for one does not always mean the same for the other.


Well, of course. But I think the disparity here is greater than it is most other places.


It's less than some of the P5 schools, like Kansas or Clemson.


I said most. If the goal for Xavier should be to not have the biggest disparity between it's men's and women's programs, that's a pretty low bar.

I'd also argue that 1. Clemson didn't give a rat's behind about men's basketball until as recently as this year, and 2. When it comes to MBB, the Big East programs are on the same level as the P5 schools. They are currently projected to have two No. 1 seeds in the men's tournament and had the national champion two years ago.


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mzonefan wrote:
I’m watching the Bowling Green v. Western Michigan 1st round MAC game.

BGSU was the dominant team in the MAC for 10 years. Since Jennifer Roos assumed the HC position from Curt Miller, she was able to sustain some success and then has severely droppped off.

2012-13 24-11 (.686) 11- 5 (.688) 2nd in East Advanced to Third Round
2013-14 30- 5 (.857) 17- 1 (.944) FIRST in East* Advanced to Semifinals
2014-15 9-21 (.300) 2-16 (.111) 6th in East Lost in First Round
2015-16 10-18 (.357) 6-12 (.333) 4th in East Lost in First Round
2016-17 8-23 (.258) 4-14 (.222) 5th in East Lost in First Round
2017-18 11-19, 3-15 5th in East (11th seed) Lost in First Round


She was let go yesterday.


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mzonefan wrote:
mzonefan wrote:
I’m watching the Bowling Green v. Western Michigan 1st round MAC game.

BGSU was the dominant team in the MAC for 10 years. Since Jennifer Roos assumed the HC position from Curt Miller, she was able to sustain some success and then has severely droppped off.

2012-13 24-11 (.686) 11- 5 (.688) 2nd in East Advanced to Third Round
2013-14 30- 5 (.857) 17- 1 (.944) FIRST in East* Advanced to Semifinals
2014-15 9-21 (.300) 2-16 (.111) 6th in East Lost in First Round
2015-16 10-18 (.357) 6-12 (.333) 4th in East Lost in First Round
2016-17 8-23 (.258) 4-14 (.222) 5th in East Lost in First Round
2017-18 11-19, 3-15 5th in East (11th seed) Lost in First Round


She was let go yesterday.


The Bowling Green Massacre?



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PUmatty wrote:
I'm wondering about Coquese Washington. Aside of a nice run with Maggie Lucas, her time at Penn State has been pretty bad. This year looks to be the fourth in a row without making a tournament, and it could be the third out of four years with a losing record.

I'm surprised she has struggled like this.


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mzonefan wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
I'm wondering about Coquese Washington. Aside of a nice run with Maggie Lucas, her time at Penn State has been pretty bad. This year looks to be the fourth in a row without making a tournament, and it could be the third out of four years with a losing record.

I'm surprised she has struggled like this.


First round exit from the WNIT. Embarassed


At home. Against something called Radford (no offense intended).


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PUmatty wrote:
mzonefan wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
I'm wondering about Coquese Washington. Aside of a nice run with Maggie Lucas, her time at Penn State has been pretty bad. This year looks to be the fourth in a row without making a tournament, and it could be the third out of four years with a losing record.

I'm surprised she has struggled like this.


First round exit from the WNIT. Embarassed


At home. Against something called Radford (no offense intended).


Don't knock Radford. You may never have heard of it, but that team bit Liberty's ankles all year and really should have gone to the NCAA in their place. They are a better team all the way around.

Penn state is one of those hot-and-cold teams. They can either be very good or very awful on any given day. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to them.



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The Lady Vols’ Holly Warlick on the hot seat?

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22825239/is-tennessee-lady-vols-coach-holly-warlick-hot-seat



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StevenHW wrote:
The Lady Vols’ Holly Warlick on the hot seat?

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22825239/is-tennessee-lady-vols-coach-holly-warlick-hot-seat


Probably not this year. Maybe next. But I could be wrong.



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PostPosted: 03/19/18 10:55 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

StevenHW wrote:
The Lady Vols’ Holly Warlick on the hot seat?

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22825239/is-tennessee-lady-vols-coach-holly-warlick-hot-seat

I had also read this. As a UConn fan I have learned that having your legendary HOF coach naming their successor is not a good idea.


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How is attendance at Tennessee? There's nothing like a revenue drop to get an administrator's attention ...



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How is attendance at Tennessee? There's nothing like a revenue drop to get an administrator's attention ...


I can't find a number for this year, but it's been creeping downward, now second in country behind SC.

9,184 in 16-17
10,412 in 15-16
11,390 in 12-13 (Holly's first year as HC)
15,796 in 07-08


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StevenHW wrote:
The Lady Vols’ Holly Warlick on the hot seat?

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22825239/is-tennessee-lady-vols-coach-holly-warlick-hot-seat


Per Mechelle Voepel:
This is Warlick's sixth year as head coach; she took over when Summitt resigned in April 2012. Warlick also was the acting head coach in 2011-12, Summitt's last season on the bench after learning of her diagnosis of early-onset dementia, Alzheimer's type.

During those seven seasons, the Lady Vols have gone 180-63 overall and 83-29 in the SEC. Their NCAA tournament finishes: Elite Eight in 2012, '13, '15 and '16. Sweet 16 in 2014. Second round in 2017 and '18.

By comparison, during the last seven seasons, Coach Joanne P. McCallie's Duke teams have gone 191-49 overall (.7958) and 88-24 in conference play (.7857). Duke's NCAA Tournament finishes: Eight in 2012, '13; Sweet 16 in 2015, '18; Second round in 2014, '17; missed the NCAAT in 2016.


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Now do an injury comparison.



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2014–15
5-25 (3-15, 9th, Colonial Athletic Association)
2015-16
11-20 (5-13, 8th, Colonial Athletic Association)
2016-2017
9-21 (6-12, 7th, Colonial Athletic Association)
2017-18
6-22 (2-15, 10th, Colonial Athletic Association)
(one regular season game remaining)

In other words, Coach Jackson took over a program that was clearly trending upward and had made a very swift turnaround under her predecessor, and Coach Jackson has taken the program several steps in the wrong direction.

In 2016, former College of Charleston women's basketball player Zoe Wallis filed a lawsuit, saying negligence by coach Candice Jackson and her staff led to Wallis collapsing during a training run over the city's iconic Ravenel Bridge.

I have not checked the docket to see the status of the lawsuit, but College of Charleston is a public liberal arts college, so if this matter settled for a significant amount, it likely would have been published.


Update:

The docket for Zoe Wallis's lawsuit against the College of Charleston lists Zoe Wallis's lawsuit as "Pending/ADR Deferred." There has been no update as to when any alternative dispute resolution is to take place.
http://jcmsweb.charlestoncounty.org/PublicIndex/CaseDetails.aspx?County=10&CourtAgency=10002&Casenum=2016CP1002165&CaseType=V

Jackson's College of Charleston's squad finished 2017-18 with a record of 7-24, 2-16 in conference play. This brings her overall record in four years at the helm of the program to 32-90 (.2623) and her conference record to 16-56 (.2222)

Per the South Carolina Department of Administration, Candace Jackson's total compensation, without bonuses, is $148,494 this year.
http://www.admin.sc.gov/accountability-portal/state-salaries?a=0&j=0&n=Jackson


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In Boyle's first six seasons at Virginia (i.e., the six seasons before the current one), her overall record is 110–85 (.564). Her ACC record is 43–55 (.439). The only time her teams finished above .500 in conference play was during her first season, when UVA went 9-7, finished 6th in the ACC, and made the WNIT quarterfinals.

Boyle, as written in her contract, got automatic one-year extensions on April 11, 2012, and April 11, 2013. That puts her under contract with UVa through the 2017-18 season (Link: http://www.dailyprogress.com/cavalierinsider/boyle-will-return-as-uva-women-s-basketball-coach/article_cca2d24e-e011-11e5-86cd-8b0b684c9aee.html).

Virginia, with a record of 4-6, is currently 83rd in the Sagarin rankings. While the Cavaliers have played the 24th toughest schedule, the team is 0-3 against the Sagarin Top 25 and 0-4 against the Sagarin Top 50. In the RealTime RPI rankings, Virginia is 155th; in the NCAA RPI ratings, Virginia is 152nd.

In other words, if Virginia does not make the NCAA Tournament or finish in the top half of the ACC, the Cavaliers AD will have the ability to go in a different direction for the once-storied program.


Since December 12, 2017 - when I made this post - UVA has won 7 straight games and opened the ACC season with a 4-0 record. Granted, the quality of the opposition has not been great, but the Hoos are on top of the ACC right now, with Louisville and Notre Dame.

Virginia currently ranks 50th in RPI and 17th in SOS. For Boyle to keep her job, UVA will likely need to make the NCAA Tournament, which means, at the absolutely minimum, double digit wins in conference games and a win in one ACCT game.

Even that might not be enough. The team loses four seniors ,including three of its top six scorers. I am not aware of UVA having any elite players (or even top 100 players) signed for next year (believe UVA has one signee), though the Hoos do have Amandine Toi, an international freshman who is redshirting this year with a knee injury. The sophomore class is pretty good, but without some spring signees or graduate transfers, even replicating a good year this year will be unlikely next year.


UVA made the NCAAT for the first time in Joanne Boyle's tenure at the school, advancing to the NCAA Second Round before losing by ten points to South Carolina.

This is the last year of Boyle's contract. An article in The State asked whether Dawn Staley would return home to Virginia to rebuild that program.

Here is my take (which I posted on The Devil's Den, the Duke message board):

Dawn Staley was hired at Temple, after having no interest in coaching. But she took the Temple job because it was a "hometown school," in that Staley was from Philadelphia. Before she arrived, Temple had made one NCAAT in program history; Staley led the Owls to six NCAAT appearances in her eight seasons, along with 4 conference regular season titles and 4 conference championships.

South Carolina, under Sue Walvius, made the Elite 8 (losing to Duke) in 2002, behind Jocelyn Penn. But after an NCAAT appearance in 2003, SC went five years without making the NCAAT. In Walvius's last five seasons at SC, her teams went 69-82, including 20-50 in the SEC.

At South Carolina, Staley started rebuilding the program from scratch. By her third season, her team had finished 5th in the SEC. In her fourth season, her team made the NCAA Sweet 16; in her sixth season, her team won its first conference regular season title; and in her seventh season, her team reached the program's first Final Four (as an aside, Coach Goestenkors also won her first conference regular season title in her sixth season and made the program's first Final Four in her seventh season). And in her ninth season at the helm of South Carolina, Dawn Staley led the program to the WBB national championship.

As of 2016-2017, Joanne Boyle's base salary is $365,792 (it will obviously be greater this year, with yearly increases and a bonus for making the NCAA Tournament).

By comparison, in 2015, Staley had her contract extended and salary raised. Her base pay was raised from $350,000 to $550,000; her contract was extended through 2020-21; and her total compensation package was pushed to $1.1 million, starting with 2015-16. After winning the national title, Staley signed a four-year extension in 2017 that included an increase in base salary to $650,000, and yearly increases in outside compensation (money from athletic department rights holders) that raised her total financial package to $1.4 million in the first year of the extension (2021) and to $2.1 million in the final year (2025). Her buyout increases from $700,000 in her old contract to $3.5 million in the first year of the new deal.

In other words, Virginia would not have to buy out Boyle, as she is in the last year of her contract. But it would have to pony up a large sum of money to buy out Staley, plus a huge package to attract Staley. Not sure UVA Athletics has the money (or the desire) to spend so much money on a non-revenue sport.


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^^ Never mind. Joanne Boyle just announced her retirement from coaching.

http://www.virginiasports.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/032018aaa.html


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The Lady Vols’ Holly Warlick on the hot seat?

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22825239/is-tennessee-lady-vols-coach-holly-warlick-hot-seat


Hard to fire a close friend whose been with the program from the beginning of her college time. When one plays at one college, assistant coaches at the the same school, and is handed the reins by a Legend, it's like trying to unseat a 12 term congress person because firing her is looked upon by the Summitt worshipers as a slight against Summitt and not Warlick.

When a person grows up through the same college like Warlick, she never learns anything new, doesn't gain in-depth experience as a head coach, doesn't learn to deal with different cultures and peoples, make good game decisions, work with administrations, better recruit, work with assistant coaches, and the list goes on and on. If all the colleges promoted their assistant coaches there would be no movement in basketball, no growth and no opportunities.

I've been lighting bonfires under Warlick's ass since she was handed the throne, but it never penetrated the Summitt loyalist worshippers. Happens all the time when a legend passes, retires or needs to go.

I think the best that can hoped for is for Warlick to retire. I'm sure Fulmer would rather have it this way instead of having the pressure of having to light the torch (he may be able to do.)


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StevenHW wrote:
The Lady Vols’ Holly Warlick on the hot seat?

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22825239/is-tennessee-lady-vols-coach-holly-warlick-hot-seat


Hard to fire a close friend whose been with the program from the beginning of her college time. When one plays at one college, assistant coaches at the the same school, and is handed the reins by a Legend, it's like trying to unseat a 12 term congress person because firing her is looked upon by the Summitt worshipers as a slight against Summitt and not Warlick.

When a person grows up through the same college like Warlick, she never learns anything new, doesn't gain in-depth experience as a head coach, doesn't learn to deal with different cultures and peoples, make good game decisions, work with administrations, better recruit, work with assistant coaches, and the list goes on and on. If all the colleges promoted their assistant coaches there would be no movement in basketball, no growth and no opportunities.

I've been lighting bonfires under Warlick's ass since she was handed the throne, but it never penetrated the Summitt loyalist worshippers. Happens all the time when a legend passes, retires or needs to go.

I think the best that can hoped for is for Warlick to retire. I'm sure Fulmer would rather have it this way instead of having the pressure of having to light the torch (he may be able to do.)


ESPN's animus, some would say dislike or outright hatred, for Tennessee is pretty well-known there and goes back into the late 90s. It doesn't have anything to do with Pat Summitt, however. It is somewhat connected with Fulmer.

That said, I don't think he's going to fire Holly. He might encourage her to retire, but not likely until after next year. As far as the recruiting, it has picked up since the advent of Sharonna Reaves...or hadn't you noticed? She brought in Cheridene Green (who I wish Holly had played more against Oregon!) and was instrumental in the recruitment of the four freshmen as well as next year's crop. Or didn't you know that? I think Bridgette Gordon was a good hire, too. Maybe Dean Lockwood needs to go, though.



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I'm increasingly disappointed with Holly, but I'm not seeing who Tenn is realistically going to get to replace her that would be a huge improvement. I find it difficult to believe the athletic dept is going to pony up the money to replace a coach who's making $800K/yr with someone like Kim Mulkey or Dawn Staley who are at >$2M/yr. I also know that Tenn fans aren't going to be happy with an up-and-coming asst coach and will be demanding his/her head if they haven't brought home a natty in 2 years. God forbid they insist on a new coach being a member of "Pat's coaching tree." Besides that, scuttlebutt says if CHW leaves, some of those AA's they just recruited are likely to transfer, guaranteeing a couple more rebuilding years. And it would also be a huge recruiting loss if Sharonna Reaves was shown the door.

I am having visions of the Yankees firing Joe Girardi last fall for not advancing to the Series, interviewing a bunch of mediocre candidates, and finally hiring someone with zero managerial experience.

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I'm increasingly disappointed with Holly, but I'm not seeing who Tenn is realistically going to get to replace her that would be a huge improvement. I find it difficult to believe the athletic dept is going to pony up the money to replace a coach who's making $800K/yr with someone like Kim Mulkey or Dawn Staley who are at >$2M/yr. I also know that Tenn fans aren't going to be happy with an up-and-coming asst coach and will be demanding his/her head if they haven't brought home a natty in 2 years. God forbid they insist on a new coach being a member of "Pat's coaching tree." Besides that, scuttlebutt says if CHW leaves, some of those AA's they just recruited are likely to transfer, guaranteeing a couple more rebuilding years. And it would also be a huge recruiting loss if Sharonna Reaves was shown the door.

I am having visions of the Yankees firing Joe Girardi last fall for not advancing to the Series, interviewing a bunch of mediocre candidates, and finally hiring someone with zero managerial experience.

"The grass isn't greener..."
http://sports.usatoday.com/2018/03/19/former-lady-vols-michelle-marciniak-abby-conklin-react-on-social-media-to-sundays-loss/


What you said. It would just be a bad idea now. They need to leave Holly alone and remember that the freshmen are just that.

If they did go after someone on Pat's coaching tree, I think it would be Kellie Harper, who's had a pretty decent career in the mids and a not-so-wonderful one early on in her career with NC State. She is a pretty solid recruiter and brings along her husband as an assistant. I once heard Pat say that Kellie was the smartest player she ever coached and she would not be surprised to see her back at Tennessee one day. But I think Auburn also has its eye on Kellie.



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Not sure why Kellie Harper would be that enticing. There are other major conference washouts with better records, like Susie Gardner and Sue Guevara.



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Not sure why Kellie Harper would be that enticing. There are other major conference washouts with better records, like Susie Gardner and Sue Guevara.


Because we're talking about Pat's coaching tree here. Not anything else.



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Not sure why Kellie Harper would be that enticing. There are other major conference washouts with better records, like Susie Gardner and Sue Guevara.


Because we're talking about Pat's coaching tree here. Not anything else.


If the AD is going to get rid of Holly Warlick, I do not see why hiring someone from Pat Summitt's coaching tree would be the solution...since they would be firing the biggest branch from said coaching tree.


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Not sure why Kellie Harper would be that enticing. There are other major conference washouts with better records, like Susie Gardner and Sue Guevara.


Because we're talking about Pat's coaching tree here. Not anything else.


That doesn't explain why Auburn would be interested in her



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pilight wrote:
Not sure why Kellie Harper would be that enticing. There are other major conference washouts with better records, like Susie Gardner and Sue Guevara.


Because we're talking about Pat's coaching tree here. Not anything else.


That doesn't explain why Auburn would be interested in her


She was an assistant there before she went to Western Carolina and was very popular. She also interviewed for the head coaching job there last time it was open and I understand turned it down, preferring her present situation to what they offered. They hired Terri Williams-Flournoy instead.



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The question is whether Harper would be an improvement over Warlick. Based on her record, and her results at NC State, the answer is a No. Ditto for Fargas, who is the only other notable branch from Pat's tree at present. I don't think this should even be a consideration, but a lot of Tenn fans seem fixated on it, although some of them are still wanting Tyler Summitt, so...


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The question is whether Harper would be an improvement over Warlick. Based on her record, and her results at NC State, the answer is a No. Ditto for Fargas, who is the only other notable branch from Pat's tree at present. I don't think this should even be a consideration, but a lot of Tenn fans seem fixated on it, although some of them are still wanting Tyler Summitt, so...


Kellie was much younger when she was at NC State, and I think she has learned a lot since then. She recruits well for where she's at now and I think has the knowledge to hire a good recruiter on a national stage. Nikki Vargas is growing into her job at LSU but hasn't recruited all that well. As for Tyler, I don't think he should even be considered now. (And I was once a fan...but he did himself in.)

Personally, I think if they were going to make a switch, they should try like hell to get Wes Moore away from NC State. But I'm for leaving things alone right now.



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Id be on board for scooping Jeff Walz away from The Cards Very Happy



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I don't think Walz is as good a team builder as Moore. I watched Moore at Chattanooga and now at NC State and I think he's got that way over Walz.



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I don't think Walz is as good a team builder as Moore. I watched Moore at Chattanooga and now at NC State and I think he's got that way over Walz.


Walz can recruit better than moore in my opinion though . Heck id really want to steal Kelly Graves from Oregon! Cool



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Dont know if this has been posted , But Elliott Out at Cincinnati !

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Dont know if this has been posted , But Elliott Out at Cincinnati !

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22860704/cincinnati-bearcats-fire-coach-jamelle-elliott-9-years


They traditionally haven't cared about Women's hoops in Cincinnati - wonder if Xavier is thinking about making a change also - they haven't done very well for awhile either. It will be interesting to me to see who they hire hire.


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Id be on board for scooping Jeff Walz away from The Cards Very Happy


Walz is making at least twice as much money at Louisville than CHW is. Do you think Tenn would find the funds to entice him to Knoxville?


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Not sure why Kellie Harper would be that enticing. There are other major conference washouts with better records, like Susie Gardner and Sue Guevara.


Because we're talking about Pat's coaching tree here. Not anything else.


If the AD is going to get rid of Holly Warlick, I do not see why hiring someone from Pat Summitt's coaching tree would be the solution...since they would be firing the biggest branch from said coaching tree.


Absolutely.


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Sometimes you need to bring in a fresh voice and a fresh face. Too much insularity is not healthy for a program. Groupthink won't come up with innovative solutions.



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How many of the S16 are coached by alumni? Only one, and he didn't play WCBB there.



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Did anyone have Elliott on the hot seat? Maybe in years past, but this year?


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Did anyone have Elliott on the hot seat? Maybe in years past, but this year?


I think her seat has been warm for several years.



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Did anyone have Elliott on the hot seat? Maybe in years past, but this year?


I think her seat has been warm for several years.


Bad timing, and illustrates how poorly the school thinks of WBB. They moved them to a high school gym, and rather than buy her out when she had poor years, they decided to wait out the end of her contract.

Well by doing that, she had a turnaround year, making the WNIT. Then they let her go. The optics suck, and makes the conference look even more smalltime than usual.

If you're too cheap to just buy her out when you could have, with justification, than you should have given her a one or two year extension and see what happens.

Instead you are back to square one.


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Unsubstantiated rumor: The Tennessee freshmen told the AD they wanted Holly out or they were leaving.



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Unsubstantiated rumor: The Tennessee freshmen told the AD they wanted Holly out or they were leaving.


I have difficulty believing this for several reasons.

However, if it's true, I hope the AD immediately revoked their scholarships, denied them releases, showed them where the door is, and sincerely wished them all the best in basketball and life. Then, he or she should make an independent decision as to what, if anything, to do with Warlick.
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Unsubstantiated rumor: The Tennessee freshmen told the AD they wanted Holly out or they were leaving.


I have difficulty believing this for several reasons.

However, if it's true, I hope the AD immediately revoked their scholarships, denied them releases, showed them where the door is, and sincerely wished them all the best in basketball and life. Then, he or she should make an independent decision as to what, if anything, to do with Warlick.


Sure, let the top recruiting class go, then maybe fire the coach to decimate the storied program and leave it in shambles.


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