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PostPosted: 11/15/17 9:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
My hope really is falling on Cash's comment yesterday that something is currently being worked out and an announcement should be out shortly.


Yea same here she didnt seem worried at all but gave a big shout out to liberty fans and let everyone know some news will be coming soon.



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The loss in prestige, TV ratings and potential sponsorships would be huge if the WNBA does not have a team in New York. It's not about on-court success, it's about perception, sponsors and ratings.

The WNBA is popular and has a high profile, in general, in the cities in which it has franchises. It is essentially invisible outside those cities.

New York and L.A. remain the two most important media and corporate centers in the country, in many ways, and those two franchises bring the attention of the league to the powerbrokers who work there. Leaving Houston, for example, or Sacramento, does not have the same impact as leaving either New York or L.A.

Also, consider TV ratings. Why would fans in NYC, having been abandoned by the Liberty, watch WNBA games on TV? My sense is that the ratings are driven by the cities with franchises (spurned fans are less likely to watch as well), and without NYC, the ratings will likely go down, but definitely won't improve.

And sponsors want a presence in L.A. and New York.

Leaving New York is much, much different than leaving any other city (except L.A.). It would be a serious blow to the WNBA, and conceivably, when the ESPN contract runs out, fatal.

(By the way, the SF arena will not be available to the WNBA until 2020. That's a long time for the league to lose money ...)



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Also, consider TV ratings. Why would fans in NYC, having been abandoned by the Liberty, watch WNBA games on TV? My sense is that the ratings are driven by the cities with franchises (spurned fans are less likely to watch as well), and without NYC, the ratings will likely go down, but definitely won't improve.


I agree that TV ratings are impacted by how many markets the league is in. But you are always fighting hard against expansion. It seems like you are happier with a 12 team league than a 13,14 or 16 team league.



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(By the way, the SF arena will not be available to the WNBA until 2020. That's a long time for the league to lose money ...)


Back when the Sparks were up for sale Lacob said:

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"We are not in a rush to do it because we are focused on our primary business with the Warriors and building an arena [in San Francisco]," Lacob said. "But if the opportunity came along, we would definitely do it."


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PostPosted: 11/16/17 11:10 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
The loss in prestige, TV ratings and potential sponsorships would be huge if the WNBA does not have a team in New York. It's not about on-court success, it's about perception, sponsors and ratings.

The WNBA is popular and has a high profile, in general, in the cities in which it has franchises. It is essentially invisible outside those cities.

New York and L.A. remain the two most important media and corporate centers in the country, in many ways, and those two franchises bring the attention of the league to the powerbrokers who work there. Leaving Houston, for example, or Sacramento, does not have the same impact as leaving either New York or L.A.

Also, consider TV ratings. Why would fans in NYC, having been abandoned by the Liberty, watch WNBA games on TV? My sense is that the ratings are driven by the cities with franchises (spurned fans are less likely to watch as well), and without NYC, the ratings will likely go down, but definitely won't improve.

And sponsors want a presence in L.A. and New York.

Leaving New York is much, much different than leaving any other city (except L.A.). It would be a serious blow to the WNBA, and conceivably, when the ESPN contract runs out, fatal.

(By the way, the SF arena will not be available to the WNBA until 2020. That's a long time for the league to lose money ...)


Well said. I completely agree.



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ClayK wrote:


Also, consider TV ratings. Why would fans in NYC, having been abandoned by the Liberty, watch WNBA games on TV? My sense is that the ratings are driven by the cities with franchises (spurned fans are less likely to watch as well), and without NYC, the ratings will likely go down, but definitely won't improve.


I agree that TV ratings are impacted by how many markets the league is in. But you are always fighting hard against expansion. It seems like you are happier with a 12 team league than a 13,14 or 16 team league.



There's competing issues, I think. On the one hand, you have the quality of the product, which directly impacts perception, attendance and ratings, and on the other, you have more markets.

My feeling is, to repeat, that there is not enough talent to maintain a quality product -- that is, one that is worth the time to watch on TV and the money to watch in person -- if there is any kind of expansion. Obviously, reasonable people can disagree on this (and we do), but if I am right, expansion would hurt the perception of the league and any chance to improve ratings from non-WNBA cities.

And of course, you need a couple owners willing to lose a couple million dollars, and since James Dolan apparently has no offers for the Liberty, a team with great tradition that draws well in a basketball city, finding those owners might be difficult.



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PostPosted: 11/16/17 12:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
My hope really is falling on Cash's comment yesterday that something is currently being worked out and an announcement should be out shortly.


I still can’t find that comment she made. Where is it? Link? I want to see it for myself.


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PostPosted: 11/16/17 12:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
tfan wrote:
ClayK wrote:


Also, consider TV ratings. Why would fans in NYC, having been abandoned by the Liberty, watch WNBA games on TV? My sense is that the ratings are driven by the cities with franchises (spurned fans are less likely to watch as well), and without NYC, the ratings will likely go down, but definitely won't improve.


I agree that TV ratings are impacted by how many markets the league is in. But you are always fighting hard against expansion. It seems like you are happier with a 12 team league than a 13,14 or 16 team league.



There's competing issues, I think. On the one hand, you have the quality of the product, which directly impacts perception, attendance and ratings, and on the other, you have more markets.

My feeling is, to repeat, that there is not enough talent to maintain a quality product -- that is, one that is worth the time to watch on TV and the money to watch in person -- if there is any kind of expansion. Obviously, reasonable people can disagree on this (and we do), but if I am right, expansion would hurt the perception of the league and any chance to improve ratings from non-WNBA cities.

And of course, you need a couple owners willing to lose a couple million dollars, and since James Dolan apparently has no offers for the Liberty, a team with great tradition that draws well in a basketball city, finding those owners might be difficult.


We can't be sure that he has had no offers. In my view, all we know is that he's had no offers that he's found acceptable thus far.



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PostPosted: 11/16/17 2:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Bob Lamm wrote:
ClayK wrote:
The loss in prestige, TV ratings and potential sponsorships would be huge if the WNBA does not have a team in New York. It's not about on-court success, it's about perception, sponsors and ratings.

The WNBA is popular and has a high profile, in general, in the cities in which it has franchises. It is essentially invisible outside those cities.

New York and L.A. remain the two most important media and corporate centers in the country, in many ways, and those two franchises bring the attention of the league to the powerbrokers who work there. Leaving Houston, for example, or Sacramento, does not have the same impact as leaving either New York or L.A.

Also, consider TV ratings. Why would fans in NYC, having been abandoned by the Liberty, watch WNBA games on TV? My sense is that the ratings are driven by the cities with franchises (spurned fans are less likely to watch as well), and without NYC, the ratings will likely go down, but definitely won't improve.

And sponsors want a presence in L.A. and New York.

Leaving New York is much, much different than leaving any other city (except L.A.). It would be a serious blow to the WNBA, and conceivably, when the ESPN contract runs out, fatal.

(By the way, the SF arena will not be available to the WNBA until 2020. That's a long time for the league to lose money ...)


Well said. I completely agree.


I agree to an extent , most viewers for the WNBA were not even in WNBA cities .



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PostPosted: 11/16/17 2:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Ay Mate wrote:
toad455 wrote:
My hope really is falling on Cash's comment yesterday that something is currently being worked out and an announcement should be out shortly.


I still can’t find that comment she made. Where is it? Link? I want to see it for myself.


It was on her Instagram live feed , those are only accessbile for 24 hours afterwards i do believe if you have the application .



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PostPosted: 11/16/17 3:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Rosie O'Donnell just tweeted that she might consider it!



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Rosie O'Donnell just tweeted that she might consider it!


Does she have the business sense to do this?



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toad455 wrote:
Elizabeth wrote:
Rosie O'Donnell just tweeted that she might consider it!


Does she have the business sense to do this?


If she doesn't do it, we will know that she has some business sense Wink



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Luuuc wrote:
toad455 wrote:
Elizabeth wrote:
Rosie O'Donnell just tweeted that she might consider it!


Does she have the business sense to do this?


If she doesn't do it, we will know that she has some business sense Wink


Maybe multiple buyers could help her.



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She has the money to buy it. Does she have the money to continue it when investment is required?

Having it undercapitalized is not a great situation.


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WNBA 09 wrote:
Luuuc wrote:
toad455 wrote:
Elizabeth wrote:
Rosie O'Donnell just tweeted that she might consider it!


Does she have the business sense to do this?


If she doesn't do it, we will know that she has some business sense Wink


Maybe multiple buyers could help her.


Agree. She doesn't even have to be the majority owner of a group. She could just be a part-owner with a minority percentage of the franchise business. Example: Magic Johnson and the Sparks LA Sports group of which Magic Johnson is a part of. Another example is former Destiny's Child member Michelle Williams, who owns a minority stake in the Chicago Sky.



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Maybe Rosie gets together with other interested owners and they together buy the team. Come on, Rosie, make it happen!!



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She has the money to buy it. Does she have the money to continue it when investment is required?

Having it undercapitalized is not a great situation.


How much money does it take?



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ArtBest23 wrote:
She has the money to buy it. Does she have the money to continue it when investment is required?

Having it undercapitalized is not a great situation.


How much money does it take?


I don't think any $$$ has been disclosed in any relocation of teams. There's been four so far: Orlando Miracle to Connecticut, Utah Starzz to San Antonio, Stars to Las Vegas, Detroit Shock to Tulsa.



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The Liberty also have a star player who forced a trade so she could play in NYC. If they moved, would she force another trade to be closer to home?



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Maybe it's time for a team in Canada. Toronto.
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Maybe it's time for a team in Canada. Toronto.


Please no. Let me keep my one refuge from Toronto fans Laughing


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Maybe it's time for a team in Canada. Toronto.


A team in Toronto would never work. The WNBA has very VERY little exposure in Canada. There is no ESPN in Canada. And NBAtv Canada doesn’t show much WNBA games compared to the US NBAtv. Plus, there would never be any roster stability in Toronto as NO one is going to want to play in Canada aside from maybe the couple Canadian players in the league. The team would never be successful. Any top players they do get, will bail / force trades the first chance they get.


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Ay Mate wrote:
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Maybe it's time for a team in Canada. Toronto.


A team in Toronto would never work. The WNBA has very VERY little exposure in Canada. There is no ESPN in Canada. And NBAtv Canada doesn’t show much WNBA games compared to the US NBAtv. Plus, there would never be any roster stability in Toronto as NO one is going to want to play in Canada aside from maybe the couple Canadian players in the league. The team would never be successful. Any top players they do get, will bail / force trades the first chance they get.


Ok, then how about Montreal?



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Ay Mate wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
Maybe it's time for a team in Canada. Toronto.


A team in Toronto would never work. The WNBA has very VERY little exposure in Canada. There is no ESPN in Canada. And NBAtv Canada doesn’t show much WNBA games compared to the US NBAtv. Plus, there would never be any roster stability in Toronto as NO one is going to want to play in Canada aside from maybe the couple Canadian players in the league. The team would never be successful. Any top players they do get, will bail / force trades the first chance they get.


Ok, then how about Montreal?

Are there any francophone WNBA players?


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Ay Mate wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
Maybe it's time for a team in Canada. Toronto.


A team in Toronto would never work. The WNBA has very VERY little exposure in Canada. There is no ESPN in Canada. And NBAtv Canada doesn’t show much WNBA games compared to the US NBAtv. Plus, there would never be any roster stability in Toronto as NO one is going to want to play in Canada aside from maybe the couple Canadian players in the league. The team would never be successful. Any top players they do get, will bail / force trades the first chance they get.


What would WNBA players not like about Canada?


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A player could probably live decently in Canada if paid in American dollars.

I don't see how players making near rookie salaries in the WNBA could possibly even afford housing near MSG. You either have to live far, far away in NJ, Long Island or an outer borough, or live in a sleazy one room dump in Manhattan, perhaps shared with 10 illegal aliens.
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A player could probably live decently in Canada if paid in American dollars.

I don't see how players making near rookie salaries in the WNBA could possibly even afford housing near MSG. You either have to live far, far away in NJ, Long Island or an outer borough, or live in a sleazy one room dump in Manhattan, perhaps shared with 10 illegal aliens.


I believe the teams all supply free housing. At least they used to.


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A player could probably live decently in Canada if paid in American dollars.

I don't see how players making near rookie salaries in the WNBA could possibly even afford housing near MSG. You either have to live far, far away in NJ, Long Island or an outer borough, or live in a sleazy one room dump in Manhattan, perhaps shared with 10 illegal aliens.


Ugly and hugely exaggerated.



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GlennMacGrady wrote:
A player could probably live decently in Canada if paid in American dollars.

I don't see how players making near rookie salaries in the WNBA could possibly even afford housing near MSG. You either have to live far, far away in NJ, Long Island or an outer borough, or live in a sleazy one room dump in Manhattan, perhaps shared with 10 illegal aliens.


I believe most players live in Westchester. Past players have lived in NJ and Queens. Somehow, they all survived the commute.



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tfan wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
Maybe it's time for a team in Canada. Toronto.


A team in Toronto would never work. The WNBA has very VERY little exposure in Canada. There is no ESPN in Canada. And NBAtv Canada doesn’t show much WNBA games compared to the US NBAtv. Plus, there would never be any roster stability in Toronto as NO one is going to want to play in Canada aside from maybe the couple Canadian players in the league. The team would never be successful. Any top players they do get, will bail / force trades the first chance they get.


What would WNBA players not like about Canada?


Players didn’t want to play in Tulsa, and the big stars still don’t like playing in Connecticut for the most part. Why would they want to play in Canada during the summers? Overseas in the winter, Canada in the summer. Far away from their families ALL year around. big time NBA players don’t want to play in Toronto, and leave when they can. The wnba players want to play in their own country in the summer. It won’t work.


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Ay Mate wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
Maybe it's time for a team in Canada. Toronto.


A team in Toronto would never work. The WNBA has very VERY little exposure in Canada. There is no ESPN in Canada. And NBAtv Canada doesn’t show much WNBA games compared to the US NBAtv. Plus, there would never be any roster stability in Toronto as NO one is going to want to play in Canada aside from maybe the couple Canadian players in the league. The team would never be successful. Any top players they do get, will bail / force trades the first chance they get.


Not true. I was in Canada earlier this year and the games followed the US NBA TV schedule exactly.
I don't know how much WNBA interest there is in Canada, but I don't imagine the players would have too many problems being based there. Canada is lovely, and the more likely locations, like Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal are not far at all from the USA. Arguably closer than Tulsa is Razz [/Liz]



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So just out out of curiosity - how many of the Liberty fans here are season ticket holders and have renewed already for next season?



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I had not yet renewed but would have once I got my tax refund.



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Canada is lovely, and the more likely locations, like Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal are not far at all from the USA. Arguably closer than Tulsa is Razz [/Liz]

Yeah, not sure how this "far away" thing works. Toronto is litteraly across the lake from Buffalo and Vancouver is a stones throw away from Seattle.

And Canada is amazing during the summer months.



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A player could probably live decently in Canada if paid in American dollars.

I don't see how players making near rookie salaries in the WNBA could possibly even afford housing near MSG. You either have to live far, far away in NJ, Long Island or an outer borough, or live in a sleazy one room dump in Manhattan, perhaps shared with 10 illegal aliens.


No wonder you think NVMC is a good idea. Smh.



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The Liberty also have a star player who forced a trade so she could play in NYC. If they moved, would she force another trade to be closer to home?


Like say Connecticut? Lol.



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The Liberty also have a star player who forced a trade so she could play in NYC. If they moved, would she force another trade to be closer to home?


Like say Connecticut? Lol.


God I hope not. No Connecticut Sun fan wants that diva bitch back. No thank you. I know a LOT of Sun fans and not one of them would welcome her back to the Sun.


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No wonder you think NVMC is a good idea.


Let me clarify.

I think the Nassau Coliseum is a good relative idea and only if we are trying to keep the team in or very near NYC. It seems to me that it's economically infeasible to have a profitable WPBB team playing at MSG or Barclay if you are not the owner of those arenas, and maybe not even if you are. Therefore, I think the Nassau Coliseum, for the NYC area, may be relatively more economically feasible. (I agree that no one wants to go to Newark . . . for any reason.)

If one assumes this lack of NYC economic feasibility is true, then I actually think the Liberty would be better off going to another and less expensive city altogether. I don't know where that would be and have no preference myself, but it seems to me there are many possibilities.

WPBB has never been and never will be more than a niche sport. It will be reasonably popular in locations that have strong and entertaining teams, such as in Minneapolis now, but the popularity will drop fast when the team inevitably becomes average or worse.
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Randy wrote:
So just out out of curiosity - how many of the Liberty fans here are season ticket holders and have renewed already for next season?


Already enrolled for next year, on a monthly payment basis.



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The team supplies housing up in White Plains NY


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tfan wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
A player could probably live decently in Canada if paid in American dollars.

I don't see how players making near rookie salaries in the WNBA could possibly even afford housing near MSG. You either have to live far, far away in NJ, Long Island or an outer borough, or live in a sleazy one room dump in Manhattan, perhaps shared with 10 illegal aliens.


I believe the teams all supply free housing. At least they used to.



The team supplies housing in White Plains NY


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tfan wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
A player could probably live decently in Canada if paid in American dollars.

I don't see how players making near rookie salaries in the WNBA could possibly even afford housing near MSG. You either have to live far, far away in NJ, Long Island or an outer borough, or live in a sleazy one room dump in Manhattan, perhaps shared with 10 illegal aliens.


I believe the teams all supply free housing. At least they used to.



The team supplies housing in White Plains NY


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PostPosted: 11/17/17 11:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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So just out out of curiosity - how many of the Liberty fans here are season ticket holders and have renewed already for next season?



I did under the false pretense they would still be playing at MSG! Dolan didnt come up with this the morning of the meeting. He knew this for a while! And when you renewed for the 15% off, they auto enrolled you in the new program of auto-renew for 2019 season. We can un-enroll in April.


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Ay Mate wrote:
NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote:
myrtle wrote:
The Liberty also have a star player who forced a trade so she could play in NYC. If they moved, would she force another trade to be closer to home?


Like say Connecticut? Lol.


God I hope not. No Connecticut Sun fan wants that diva bitch back. No thank you. I know a LOT of Sun fans and not one of them would welcome her back to the Sun.


"diva bitch" really!!?? She is super nice and a AMAZING player! MVP candidate every year and you wouldnt want her back with your team? wow


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If they stay in NY but move out of MSG, they better offer full refunds to those unwilling to make the trek to the new arena.


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libertycrazy97 wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote:
myrtle wrote:
The Liberty also have a star player who forced a trade so she could play in NYC. If they moved, would she force another trade to be closer to home?


Like say Connecticut? Lol.


God I hope not. No Connecticut Sun fan wants that diva bitch back. No thank you. I know a LOT of Sun fans and not one of them would welcome her back to the Sun.


"diva bitch" really!!?? She is super nice and a AMAZING player! MVP candidate every year and you wouldnt want her back with your team? wow


For the last two seasons, Tina Charles has been donating her entire WNBA salary to her foundation, HOPEY'S HEART, which helps raise awareness for sudden cardiac arrest.

"Diva bitch"? Our world needs many more people like Tina Charles. Whether she is an MVP candidate or not.



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Ay Mate wrote:
tfan wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
Maybe it's time for a team in Canada. Toronto.


A team in Toronto would never work. The WNBA has very VERY little exposure in Canada. There is no ESPN in Canada. And NBAtv Canada doesn’t show much WNBA games compared to the US NBAtv. Plus, there would never be any roster stability in Toronto as NO one is going to want to play in Canada aside from maybe the couple Canadian players in the league. The team would never be successful. Any top players they do get, will bail / force trades the first chance they get.


What would WNBA players not like about Canada?


Players didn’t want to play in Tulsa, and the big stars still don’t like playing in Connecticut for the most part. Why would they want to play in Canada during the summers? Overseas in the winter, Canada in the summer. Far away from their families ALL year around. big time NBA players don’t want to play in Toronto, and leave when they can. The wnba players want to play in their own country in the summer. It won’t work.



It doesn't matter if a player is playing in New York City or Montreal, if their family lives in Denver, they are far away and aren't going to see them during the WNBA season.


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PostPosted: 11/18/17 9:25 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Luuuc wrote:
Canada is lovely, and the more likely locations, like Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal are not far at all from the USA. Arguably closer than Tulsa is Razz [/Liz]

Yeah, not sure how this "far away" thing works. Toronto is litteraly across the lake from Buffalo and Vancouver is a stones throw away from Seattle.

And Canada is amazing during the summer months.


Vancouver is 142 miles from Seattle, 2.5 hours by car when the weather is good and the traffic isn't an issue.

I guess that qualifies as a stone's throw, but if a game ended at 10 p.m., the second leg of the five-hour drive would get a fan home close to 1 a.m.



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PostPosted: 11/18/17 9:52 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

https://www.thestreet.com/story/14395965/1/speculation-swirls-around-msg-jim-dolan-s-media-empire.html

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The real question is what is going on at MSG and why did the company choose now to sell, the source said. The value of the Liberty, the source said, was marginal to the company's bottom line.


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According to David Miller of Loop Capital Markets LLC, the Liberty had negative free cash flow of $23 million in 2017 and are on pace to lose about $41 million in 2018. The firm attributed an asset value of negative $414 million to the franchise, or 18 times its cash flow.

Still, the franchise should garner interest.



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PostPosted: 11/18/17 9:59 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

so MSG is basically in a downward spiral and as long as Dolan is in control, it will continue to spiral downward. Cutting the Liberty is basically trying to save $10 on a $1 million dollar investment.



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