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Anthony Edwards Writes About Sexual Molestation At Hand Of Gary Goddard
From Victim to Survivor
When I was 14 years old, my mother opened the door for me to answer honestly about the rumors she had heard about Gary Goddard — who was my mentor, teacher and friend — being a pedophile. I denied it through tears of complete panic. To face that truth was not an option as my sense of self was completely enmeshed in my gang of five friends who were all led by this sick father figure. I met Goddard when I was 12, and he quickly became a dominant force in my life. He taught me about the value of acting, respect for friendship, and the importance of studying. Pedophiles prey on the weak. My father, who suffered from undiagnosed PTSD from WWII, was not emotionally available. Everyone has the need to bond, and I was no exception.
My vulnerability was exploited. I was molested by Goddard, my best friend was raped by him — and this went on for years. The group of us, the gang, stayed quiet.
Why? One of the most tragic effects of sexual abuse in children is that the victims often feel deeply responsible — as if it is somehow their fault. With their sick form of control, abusers exploit a child’s natural desire to bond. The victims are required to play by the abuser’s rules, or else they are “out” — banished from the only world they know. Abusers are successful when they keep control of that little world — a world that is based on fear. The use of fear to control and manipulate can be both obvious and subtle. Abusers will often use the word “love” to define their horrific actions, which constitutes a total betrayal of trust. The resulting damage to the emotional development of a child is deep and unforgivable. Only after I was able to separate my experience, process it, and put it in its place could I accept this truth: My abuse may always be with me, but it does not own me. For far too many years, I held onto the idea that love was conditional — and so I would look for someone or something other than my higher self to define those conditions and requirements for me.
I have been so fortunate to have had access to therapy and fellow survivors. Shame can thrive easily when we are isolated, but it loses its power when people come together to share their common experiences. 22 years ago, I happened to run into Gary Goddard at an airport. I was able to express my outrage at what he had done. He swore to his remorse and said that he had gotten help. I felt a temporary sense of relief. I say temporary because when Goddard appeared in the press four years ago for alleged sexual abuse, my rage resurfaced. At 51 years old, I was directed by a group of loving friends to a therapist who specializes in this kind of abuse. By processing my anger in a safe place with a professional, I was finally able to have the conversation that I wish I could have had with my mom when I was 14.
I’ve learned a lot in these last four years. Most importantly, I’ve learned that I’m not alone. One in six men have an abusive sexual experience before they turn 18. Secrecy, shame and fear are the tools of abuse, and it is only by breaking the stigma of childhood sexual abuse that we can heal, change attitudes, and create safer environments for our children.
Right now, there are children and adults who want to talk. Right now, there are people who have witnessed this kind of abuse but don’t know how to help. Right now, there are millions of victims who believe that the abuse they experienced was somehow their fault.
There are millions of children in our country who are one conversation away from being heard. Just as there are millions of adult men who are one step away from healing.
I did not go from being a victim to a survivor alone. No one does. I had to ask for help, and I am so grateful that I did.
Two organizations that I have found to be excellent resources are: 1in6.org and Joyfulheartfoundation.org
http://deadline.com/2017/11/anthony-edwards-sexual-molestation-gary-goddard-1202205839/
Goddard (in blue) and Bryan Singer
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Ben Affleck, 45, has been accused of groping MTV host Hilarie Burton during a 2003 appearance on Total Request Live. He has since issued an apology, confirming the validity of the accusation.
Louis C.K., 50, was accused of sexual misconduct by five women in an expose published by the New York Times. They claim that he masturbated during phone conversations with them, and in front of them while asking them to watch.
Andy Dick, 51, has been accused of “groping peoples’ genitals,” along with “unwanted kissing/licking and sexual propositions” to at least four women on the set of independent feature film Raising Buchanon. he has denied the groping claims, but admitted to licking and propositioning people.
David Guillod, manager and producer, was accused of drugging and sexually assaulting actress Jessica Barth in 2012. These allegations have not been proven yet, and we are still waiting to hear more.
Dustin Hoffman, 80, was accused of sexual harassment by Anna Graham Hunter in an article published by The Hollywood Reporter. he has also been accused of making “verbal advances” on Wendy Riss Gatsiounis, although this has not been confirmed.
Ethan Kath, 34, was accused of rape on October 24th by a former bandmate, Alice Glass. She claims that the sexual abuse lasted for nearly 10 years, starting when she was 15 years old.
Jeremy Piven, 52, was accused by actress Ariane Bellamar of groping her on two occasions. Piven has denied the allegations so far.
Brett Ratner, 48, was accused of sexually harassing six women in a report from Los Angeles Times. He has decided to sue Melanie Kohler for libel, but is no longer working with Warner Brothers.
Twiggy Ramirez, 46, was accused of rape on October 20th by Jack Off Jill singer Jessicka Addams, who claims that Ramirez (whose real name is Jeordie White) sexually assaulted her while they were dating.
Chris Savino, 46, has been fired from Nickelodeon after multiple women filed complains against him. According to CBS News, he has since issued an apology writing that he is “deeply sorry” for his words and actions, which may have caused discomfort among women.
Steven Seagal, 65, has been accused of sexual harassment by Portia de Rossi, who claims he unzipped his pants during a private audition.
Kevin Spacey, 58, has been accused of making sexual advances towards Anthony Rapp when he was only 14 years of age. He has since come out as gay, and apologized for the “drunken behavior” he exhibited to Rapp.
Jeffrey Tambor, 73, has been accused of engaging in “inappropriate behavior” by his former assistant, a transgender woman named Van Barnes. Tambor, who plays a transgender woman on Amazon original Transparent, has since rejected these claims.
James Toback, 72, has been accused of sexually harassing over 300 women according to a bombshell report by the Los Angeles Times on October 27th. Actress Julianne Moore accused Toback of preying on aspiring actresses, exchanging sexual favors for roles.
Bob Weinstein, 63, has been accused of harassing TV producer Amanda Segel. According to a story by Variety, Weinstein invited her to dinner, to his home and to a hotel, during a three month time period in the summer of 2016.
Harvey Weinstein, 65, has been accused of decades of alleged sexual harassment and sexual assault. His list of accusers now totals 76 women, now including actresses Angelina Jolie, Gwyneth Paltrow, and Rose McGowan.
Ed Westwick, 30, was accused of rape by actress Kristina Cohen, who filed a report of sexual assault with the Hollywood police station on November 7th. Cohen claims that Westwick raped her at his house three years ago, but Westwick has denied the allegations.
https://silenceisconsent.net/official-list-heres-hollywood-players-accused-sexual-assault-far/
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Can somebody translate "he has also been accused of making “verbal advances” on Wendy Riss Gatsiounis" for me?
What's that mean? Did he say "I've got a jet; would you like to spend the weekend with me in St. Lucia?"
Don't tens of thousands of people do that on Tinder and Facebook and so forth every day? Maybe even every hour.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjQvFgkI0R4
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Superstar manager Benny Medina accused of attempted rape
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Benny Medina, best known for managing Jennifer Lopez and Will Smith, has been accused of attempting to rape “Sordid Lives,” actor Jason Dottley.
Dottley opens up to The Advocate about meeting Medina at a bar in LA with fellow actor T. Ashanti Mozelle and going back to his mansion with him.
While Mozelle was in the pool, Dottley claims that Medina offered to give him a tour of the home that wound up in the bedroom. “We literally got to the door and he grabbed me by the chest of my shirt and threw me onto his bed,” and “stuck his tongue down my mouth.” |
https://pagesix.com/2017/11/10/superstar-manager-benny-medina-accused-of-attempted-rape/
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Elizabeth Perkins called out James Woods when she joined hundreds of people at the march to protest sexual harassment and assault in Hollywood by holding a sign that bore his name.
The 56-year-old actress, known for her performances in Weeds and Big, took part in the Take Back The Workplace and #MeToo Survivors rally on Sunday alongside Harvey Weinstein accuser Lauren Sivan of Fox 11 News.
In September, Amber Tamblyn accused Woods, 70, of trying to pick her up when she was underage.
“James Woods tried to pick me and my friend up at a restaurant once,” the actress, 34, wrote on Twitter. “He wanted to take us to Vegas. ‘I’m 16’ I said. ‘Even better’ he said.” |
https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/elizabeth-perkins-holds-supernumbermetoo-sign-naming-james-woods-at-la-march/ar-BBEURl3?li=BBnb7Kz |
I think we have to be careful with some of this. Tamblyn was 16, which makes her not underage in many states (including Nevada).
Whether this incident should cause him to be included in the list of abusers and harrassers would come down to what he did and said. Did his "hitting on" invlove line-crossing statements, or did he just ask her to Vegas?
Of course that is if this was only about Amber's experience. The article doesn't make it clear if Elizabeth Perkins meant he did something to her as well.
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When I saw Lacey's press conference I sort of yelled at my TV set, where has her office, that is, the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office, the LAPD, the LA County Sheriff's Office, the Beverly Hills PD, the state's attorney general, the freaking FBI, where have they all been for, wait for it, the last HUNDRED YEARS?
Seriously. 
But then, or I should say now, things changed. Unfortunately. The winds have shifted here in LA. I can tell you that from me just smelling the air here. As far as Hollywood goes, anyway. This story came out of the shadows and into the light and the danger was, or the inevitability was, that it would soon recede back into the shadows. And that process is well under way.
You can see some of the legal teams are suing women for defamation. That's a longtime standard tactic. It is VERY VERY effective. Because big Hollywood can afford a legal fight that no one else can, and Hollywood always seeks to recoup (cough, choke) its costs from the persons who are being sued. This tactic usually ends the case with a retraction of the accusation or some other solution that requires the victim to retreat back into oblivion never to be heard from again on this matter.
So you have a #metoo rally in HOLLYWOOD, and no active stars of stage or screen show up? Listen, Hollywood is ALL about reading between the lines. This is a world out here that depends on exclusivity of information and the power levels that come from people simply knowing processes and procedures based on information that no one overtly speaks of. lol. So I can only tell you that Alyssa Milano, who promoted the use of the #metoo hashtag, and the many other actresses who have participated in the #metoo 'movement' by using the hashtag, for none of those people to bother showing up at the HOLLYWOOD #metoo rally, is an unwritten and unspoken message that speaks volumes.
But then, there's the creepy. The Academy held its Governor's dinner last night and, as I'm sure many of you have heard by now, much to the freaking and creeping out of even seasoned local entertainment news anchors here in LA, there was little said of the current scandal on the red carpet and NOT A WORD spoken of Hollywood's troubles from the stage. Dustin Hoffman, who has been accused of what I think is an actual crime, like I said, it's now hard to keep up with all the charges, received warm applause when he was introduced.
So there may be more coming out on this person or that person. But Hollywood itself is closing ranks, I'm sure, effectively threatening careers, if not personal financial destruction, and soon enough it will be business as usual.
Here's why. Look at the real impact some of this has had already. Take Louis C.K. WOW the contracts he had in place which made money for many important and entrenched elements of the infrastructure. All canceled. Powerful TV networks scrambling to replace some of its most flagship content. Powerful agencies cutting lose their biggest most lucrative properties. People have to be asking now, where does it end? So we go from, okay, let's voice our support of the purging of this kind of behavior to, very quickly, let's STFU and build that mote around the castle and start filling it with crocodiles.
Very discouraging moment right now.
The other of the three key people in the origins of the #metoo movement, the lady who had the MySpace pages going on ten years WAS at the rally yesterday and said something like the following. "This is bigger than Hollywood."
Geez. People are so naive. This isn't bigger than Hollywood. On the contrary. Hollywood is bigger than this. Hollywood has been above the law on this issue for a hundred years now. Hollywood MEANS giant media conglomerates that can influence or flat out control what ends up in the New York Times, NBC, what ends up being enacted or not in Washington, what ends up happening in the investigations by law enforcement, or, whether there are even investigations to begin with. Heretofore, to wit, there haven't been any. lol.
Hollywood used sexual favors in the 1960s, sent starlets to Washington to screw congressmen and senators, in order to get the licensing legislation they desired enacted. That licensing legislation took away a key freedom of artistic expression that was, until that time, enjoyed by the American people. That would be the ability to shoot films on a public street. Think about that, people. They used sex to manipulated Washington to take away a basic freedom of expression from the American people. The licensing thing wasn't about licensing really. It was about monopolizing movie making. But they never let that be known to the politicians in Washington because they’re SMART. Way smarter than anyone in DC. Anyway.
Again. Americans have this massive thing in their midst. They don't understand it or how it impacts their lives at all. That thing is California. It's like the Roman Empire. And LA is Rome. And the entertainment industry is like the Roman Senate.
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Sylvester Stallone Allegedly Forced Teen Into Threesome in 1986 and Threatened to 'Beat Her Head In'
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The teen told police Stallone then invited de Luca to join them, which made her “very uncomfortable.” According to the report, the girl said she did not want to have sexual contact with the bodyguard, but felt like she had no choice. De Luca, who was fatally shot by police in 2013, then proceeded to have sex with the teen without her consent; Stallone later forced her to perform oral sex on him.”
“She states there was no actual physical force, but she did feel intimidated,” the police report read.
The teen told authorities Stallone threatened to “beat her head in” if she reported the incident to anyone. A friend of the victim notified a hotel employee about the incident. The employee then called the police.
When authorities asked if she wanted to pursue charges, the teen declined.
“I'm humiliated and ashamed, but I don't want to prosecute,” she said, according to the report. “I'm kind of scared and I'm very ashamed. I don't want anybody else to have that happen to them, but I don't want to prosecute. I cannot talk about this anymore, please leave me alone.” |
http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2017/11/sylvester-stallone-forced-teen-threesome-threatened-to-beat-her-head-in-1986
Sylvester Stallone Denies Decades-Old Report of Sexual Assault Against a 16-Year-Old
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Sylvester Stallone has denied a decades-old police report reportedly filed by 16-year-old girl who claimed the actor and his bodyguard sexually assaulted her in a Las Vegas hotel room in 1986.
“This is a ridiculous, categorically false story,” the star’s spokeswoman, Michelle Bega, told PEOPLE in a statement. “No one was ever aware of this story until it was published today, including Mr. Stallone. At no time was Mr. Stallone ever contacted by any authorities or anyone else regarding this matter.” |
http://people.com/movies/sylvester-stallone-denies-decades-old-report-sexual-assault-against-teenager/
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Ryan Seacrest is the latest to be accused of misconduct.
The claim comes from a former E! wardrobe stylist, who has come forward to allege that Seacrest behaved inappropriately toward her during his tenure at E! News nearly a decade ago. While the contents of her accusation are not yet public, Seacrest has opted to speak out, strongly disputing the allegations, and will fully cooperate with the investigation into the matter that is currently taking place at E!
"Recently, someone that worked as a wardrobe stylist for me nearly a decade ago at E! News, came forward with a complaint suggesting I behaved inappropriately toward her. If I made her feel anything but respected, I am truly sorry. I dispute these reckless allegations and I plan to cooperate with any corporate inquiries that may result," Seacrest's statement reads.
reat all my colleagues with kindness, dignity, and understanding, as this is a principle that's core to who I am. Throughout my 25 years in the entertainment industry, the majority of my co-workers have been women, and I've endeavored to foster a positive work environment of mutual respect and courtesy, as that's how I believe it should be," he adds. "I'm distraught that anyone or any situation would call that into question. I'm proud of my workplace reputation, and believe my track record will speak for itself. I'm an advocate for women. I will continue to support their voices." |
https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/ryan-seacrest-denies-reckless-misconduct-allegations-from-former-stylist/ar-BBF6Ld0?li=BBnb7Kz
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Eight women say Charlie Rose sexually harassed them — with nudity, groping and lewd calls
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“In my 45 years in journalism, I have prided myself on being an advocate for the careers of the women with whom I have worked,” Rose said in a statement provided to The Post. “Nevertheless, in the past few days, claims have been made about my behavior toward some former female colleagues.
“It is essential that these women know I hear them and that I deeply apologize for my inappropriate behavior. I am greatly embarrassed. I have behaved insensitively at times, and I accept responsibility for that, though I do not believe that all of these allegations are accurate. I always felt that I was pursuing shared feelings, even though I now realize I was mistaken.
“I have learned a great deal as a result of these events, and I hope others will too. All of us, including me, are coming to a newer and deeper recognition of the pain caused by conduct in the past, and have come to a profound new respect for women and their lives.”
Within hours of the publication of this story, PBS and Bloomberg LP immediately suspended distribution of the “Charlie Rose” show. CBS announced that it was suspending Rose as it looked into the matter. |
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/eight-women-say-charlie-rose-sexually-harassed-them--with-nudity-groping-and-lewd-calls/2017/11/20/9b168de8-caec-11e7-8321-481fd63f174d_story.html?utm_term=.209a197e68ab
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| Fuck, who's next? the Pope?
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No one's safe.
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| If this keeps up these guys are going to be able to start their own alternative media conglomerate. Bad Boys Entertainment. It'll be like the Al Davis Oakland Raiders. The unwanted, disgraced, etc.
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Ex-USA Gymnastics doctor apologizes, pleads guilty to criminal sexual conduct
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Dozens of women, including several gold-medal winning members of the famed "Fierce Five" team of American gymnasts, have accused Nassar of sexual misconduct in his role as the USA Gymnastics doctor.
Nassar was the team physician for the Michigan State University gymnastics and women's crew teams as well as an associate professor at MSU's College of Osteopathic Medicine. He worked at MSU from 1997 to 2016 and served as the USA Gymnastics physician through four Olympic Games.
In all, Nassar had been charged with 22 counts of first-degree criminal sexual conduct and 11 counts of third-degree criminal sexual conduct at the state level, Megan Hawthorne, deputy press secretary for state Attorney General Bill Schuette, told CNN in July.
Several of the first-degree charges pertained to victims under 13, and all of the state-level charges involve former family friends, gymnasts and patients of Nassar, Hawthorne said.
Separately, Nassar is also awaiting sentencing on federal charges of receiving child pornography, possessing child pornography and a charge that he hid and destroyed evidence in the case. That hearing is scheduled for Monday. |
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/22/us/us-gymnastics-doctor-plea-hearing/index.html
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Dozens of women, including several gold-medal winning members of the famed "Fierce Five" team of American gymnasts, have accused Nassar of sexual misconduct in his role as the USA Gymnastics doctor.
Nassar was the team physician for the Michigan State University gymnastics and women's crew teams as well as an associate professor at MSU's College of Osteopathic Medicine. He worked at MSU from 1997 to 2016 and served as the USA Gymnastics physician through four Olympic Games.
In all, Nassar had been charged with 22 counts of first-degree criminal sexual conduct and 11 counts of third-degree criminal sexual conduct at the state level, Megan Hawthorne, deputy press secretary for state Attorney General Bill Schuette, told CNN in July.
Several of the first-degree charges pertained to victims under 13, and all of the state-level charges involve former family friends, gymnasts and patients of Nassar, Hawthorne said.
Separately, Nassar is also awaiting sentencing on federal charges of receiving child pornography, possessing child pornography and a charge that he hid and destroyed evidence in the case. That hearing is scheduled for Monday. |
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/22/us/us-gymnastics-doctor-plea-hearing/index.html |
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| I think some, not all of these accusations are complete bullshit. A lot of probably true, but there are also some that are just people trying to extort money. Chris Rock said it best when he said he doesn’t work with or employ women as part of his entourage because they can say what they want and accuse whomever they want and get away with it because people will always believe the woman over the man, end up suing and making a fortune. There is a lot of that going on too. Like I said, not all, but some....
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| Why is Ann Curry's photo being posted? I thought Lauer came off as a real jerk during her firing and the rumors were that he fought for it. But it seems almost the rule that a nice person like Curry loses out on TV to jerks like Lauer. We like jerks on TV just like we like jerks in office.
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As a reminder as to how beautiful karma is. I wonder if he harassed her as well.
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Lauer should have been axed for his pathetic behavior during the Clinton- Trump interview. But then, of course, he was merely doing his corp. duty.
So I say, ha! to you, Matty.
I also hated the Curry firing; any comeuppance there is fine w/ me.
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The NYT and Variety have said they have been working on Lauer stories for weeks and that NBC knew it. Yet, Lack says the firing impetus was a woman's complaint just yesterday.
Remember, it was NBC that, for months, blocked Ronan Farrow's well-sourced exposé of Harvey Weinstein from publication. I wonder why.
Lauer's female co-stars should soon have to explain how they weren't aware of his activities and whether they enabled or covered up for him. HERE'S an NBC commercial showing Lauer flashing female co-workers including Guthrie. Where there's a joke, there's often fire. |
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I don't know why this doesn't deserve either it's own thread or why we haven't started a thread just for this ongoing whatever you call it. lol.
Or G could maybe just rename it as the Latest Big Horny Scoundrel News thread. LACDA's office has nothing to do with Matt *Later getting fired.
*sometimes autocorrect just works.
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| One solution to sexual harassment and all other kinds of bad workplace behavior is lots of cameras and microphones. |
forget the band-aid. the solution to sexual harassment is a realignment of attitudes and comportment regarding women. this is learned, and reinforced, behavior that has been deemed okay. and though i'll be thrashed for saying it, women's behavior, also learned and reinforced, is culpable, too. we're "trained" to get all dolled up and employ our feminine wiles to attract - and be attractive to - men. if we don't catch some men's attention in public, we're doing something wrong or not trying hard enough. now these are generalizations, in which there are some basic truths. i honestly don't know how both women and men are supposed to know where the boundaries are when it comes to being, looking and feeling beautiful (for yourself), inviting suitors (sounds so old-fashioned, but basically conveying you're available, but not easy) while commanding respect and equal footing in the workplace and setting limits. media and marketing are largely to blame. but just like gratuitous violence, we allow it, we love it, we endorse and reward it with our dollars, and we want more.
so using cameras and microphones only means we'll need more and more of them over time, until there's no place unmonitored. let's get at the root of the problem, and one way to start is to stop pointing at other people and things to fix it.
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In watching the news channels for analysis about the past presidential election, I was struck by the fact that the male analysts are sitting there in suits and the women are (with a few exceptions) in one-color dresses sometimes just siting on an open stool. In the case of the younger attractive women I would find myself checking them out rather than listening to what they were saying. I think it would be a good idea for women to wear something similar to men in the workplace. A shirt and pants, and if the men are wearing suits, wear at least a jacket, if not a tie. And no makeup and jewelry would also make things more equal.
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so using cameras and microphones only means we'll need more and more of them over time, until there's no place unmonitored. |
That's where we are headed eventually. I was talking to a work security guard who monitors cameras that were only visible at exits and on the outside of buildings and I asked him if there were any in the workplace.His answer was "well, we didn't start out intending to do that". Not sure what he meant as he didn't clarify, but I remember a guard saying that they had caught someone stealing from a coffee fund by putting a hidden camera in the area. I suspect that once a hidden camera goes in for a specific purpose (employee consistently coming late and leaving early or theft or employee conflicts of some nature), that they never leave.Constant surveillance of employees (microphones would be needed as well to prevent verbal harassment) seems to also fit well with modern employment practices like hiring illegal workers or non-citizens in place of Americans, and moving American jobs to other countries.
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What do you suggest to do as to getting at the root of the problem?
It seems like Trump and/or Weinstein has caused a massive change in the attitudes of women with regard to speaking up, and fairly powerless HR departments will now have much more power with regard to the issue once they are notified, now that it is getting a zero tolerance treatment in society. The men always knew it was bad behavior, now they know it will be much harder to get away with.
Cameras would give women a stronger motivation to speak out - there would be proof. And also protect against any false charges - . I mentioned that a woman tried to get another woman fired by lying about an alleged punch. Even though uncommon, that could happen with regard to a sexual harassment charge.
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What would you suggest to do as far as "getting to the root of the problem"? Men have always behaved badly in many ways, not just sexual harassment. Parenting and school and society strong discipline can get men to behave better with regard to sexual harassment and other bad behavior (would love to see a zero tolerance in schools for physical or verbal bullying). But if we knew how to eliminate it I don't think there would be any jails or prisons and kids wouldn't still get bullied at school.
Cameras would give women a stronger motivation to speak out - there would be proof. And also protect against any false charges - . I mentioned that a woman tried to get another woman fired by lying about an alleged punch. Even though uncommon, that could happen with regard to a sexual harassment charge. |
i'm not saying monitoring devices are a bad idea, per se, but they don't solve the problem. our society, globally, is morally and ethically corrupt. we need to look within ourselves and determine that we will be better than this. maybe long after we're dead (me, anyway), the pendulum will swing back to the days of (from our view now) extreme modesty and old-fashioned courting rituals, so society can get back to a more even keel. what tv show or movie have you watched lately that doesn't involve a man and woman meeting for the first time in a bar or club, having a drink and teasing banter, then cut to them tearing off their clothes, often before they can even close the front door? we love that shit. it's burnished in our brains. women need to internalize - girls need to internalize - their value, that they deserve to be treated better, than they don't have to "dangle" their beauty to be appreciated. men need to internalize - boys need to internalize - their value, that they deserve to be regarded better, that their value isn't in their pants, that women are more than their appearances.
it starts at home, with dialogue, with what a family (parents) values as "entertainment" (tv, movies, video, music, etc.), it starts with setting examples.
gawd. even as i write this, i myself feel like i sound like a far-right religious prude. which i'm decidedly not. that's how far i feel we've fallen.
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| maybe long after we're dead (me, anyway), the pendulum will swing back to the days of (from our view now) extreme modesty and old-fashioned courting rituals, so society can get back to a more even keel |
Yeah, when the Muslims take over we'll have extreme modesty and very old fashioned courtship rituals. Of course even with that the Middle East has much higher rates of sexual assault than we have here in the US...
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| maybe long after we're dead (me, anyway), the pendulum will swing back to the days of (from our view now) extreme modesty and old-fashioned courting rituals, so society can get back to a more even keel |
Yeah, when the Muslims take over we'll have extreme modesty and very old fashioned courtship rituals. Of course even with that the Middle East has much higher rates of sexual assault than we have here in the US... |
that's a stretch. this is still the united states, and how old-fashioned rituals manifest likely would mirror something from our past, not another country's or another culture's. any more than the kind of policies that obama or bernie have promoted would turn the u.s. into a socialist country.
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| maybe long after we're dead (me, anyway), the pendulum will swing back to the days of (from our view now) extreme modesty and old-fashioned courting rituals, so society can get back to a more even keel |
Yeah, when the Muslims take over we'll have extreme modesty and very old fashioned courtship rituals. Of course even with that the Middle East has much higher rates of sexual assault than we have here in the US... |
that's a stretch. this is still the united states, and how old-fashioned rituals manifest likely would mirror something from our past, not another country's or another culture's. any more than the kind of policies that obama or bernie have promoted would turn the u.s. into a socialist country. |
In the past, powerful men taking advantage of young, vulnerable women was expected and accepted, especially in the entertainment business. Louis B Mayer used to have Judy Garland sit on his lap during meetings. Marilyn Monroe called Hollywood "an overcrowded brothel, a merry-go-round with beds for horses". Check this article from 1920 which reported "young women are not advanced in their chosen profession unless they submit to the advances of studio managers, directors, or influential male stars". The Shubert brothers, for whom the term "casting couch" was invented, were so infamous for their treatment of young hopefuls that Broadway was referred to as the Gland Canyon.
Nothing has changed but the coverage.
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| In the past, powerful men taking advantage of young, vulnerable women was expected and accepted, especially in the entertainment business. Louis B Mayer used to have Judy Garland sit on his lap during meetings. Marilyn Monroe called Hollywood "an overcrowded brothel, a merry-go-round with beds for horses". Check this article from 1920 which reported "young women are not advanced in their chosen profession unless they submit to the advances of studio managers, directors, or influential male stars". The Shubert brothers, for whom the term "casting couch" was invented, were so infamous for their treatment of young hopefuls that Broadway was referred to as the Gland Canyon. |
no argument here. yes, it existed in the past.
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this, however, doesn't follow. of course, things have changed. dating, courtship, the length of time between couples meeting, dating, having sex, getting married, the way people dress and behave, ostensibly to look attractive to others, etc., etc. - all of it has changed. the fact that people in power have always abused their power with sexual aggression doesn't change the fact that our society has changed the rules of engagement in more personal, everyday situations.
the fact is we've yet to explore this issue regarding everyday people - friends, family, people like migrant workers/slave laborers who are at special risk.
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"I have been informed with great anguish of Jenny Lumet's recollection about our night together in 1991," Simmons said in a statement. "I know Jenny and her family and have seen her several times over the years since the evening she described. While her memory of that evening is very different from mine, it is now clear to me that her feelings of fear and intimidation are real. While I have never been violent, I have been thoughtless and insensitive in some of my relationships over many decades and I sincerely and humbly apologize."
The statement continued: "This is a time of great transition. The voices of the voiceless, those who have been hurt or shamed, deserve and need to be heard. As the corridors of power inevitably make way for a new generation, I don't want to be a distraction so I am removing myself from the businesses that I founded. The companies will now be run by a new and diverse generation of extraordinary executives who are moving the culture and consciousness forward. I will convert the studio for yogic science into a not-for-profit center of learning and healing. As for me, I will step aside and commit myself to continuing my personal growth, spiritual learning and above all to listening."
On November 19, the Los Angeles Times published a report that detailed allegations of sexual misconduct made against director Brett Ratner and Simmons. A woman quoted in the story said Ratner and Simmons, 60, were "in it together."
Ratner and Simmons denied the allegations, with Simmons adding that, "abusing women in any way shape or form violates the very core of my being." |
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What I am really taken aback at are all these reports of men exposing themselves to women. That simply conjures up images of some guy in a trench coat flashing someone in a dark alley, not a guy in a suit in an office.
The "he put his hand on my ass" reports are far more subject to a situation being misconstrued, or of changing standards, particularly the 30 year old incidents.
But who the hell ever thought it was ok to drop trou in front of someone? That is such a completely bizarre notion to me. I've never heard of or thought of such a thing.
Maybe I'm just hopelessly out of touch. But my jaw just drops when I hear these reports.
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What would you suggest to do as far as "getting to the root of the problem"? Men have always behaved badly in many ways, not just sexual harassment. Parenting and school and society strong discipline can get men to behave better with regard to sexual harassment and other bad behavior (would love to see a zero tolerance in schools for physical or verbal bullying). But if we knew how to eliminate it I don't think there would be any jails or prisons and kids wouldn't still get bullied at school.
Cameras would give women a stronger motivation to speak out - there would be proof. And also protect against any false charges - . I mentioned that a woman tried to get another woman fired by lying about an alleged punch. Even though uncommon, that could happen with regard to a sexual harassment charge. |
i'm not saying monitoring devices are a bad idea, per se, but they don't solve the problem. our society, globally, is morally and ethically corrupt. we need to look within ourselves and determine that we will be better than this. maybe long after we're dead (me, anyway), the pendulum will swing back to the days of (from our view now) extreme modesty and old-fashioned courting rituals, so society can get back to a more even keel. what tv show or movie have you watched lately that doesn't involve a man and woman meeting for the first time in a bar or club, having a drink and teasing banter, then cut to them tearing off their clothes, often before they can even close the front door? we love that shit. it's burnished in our brains. women need to internalize - girls need to internalize - their value, that they deserve to be treated better, than they don't have to "dangle" their beauty to be appreciated. men need to internalize - boys need to internalize - their value, that they deserve to be regarded better, that their value isn't in their pants, that women are more than their appearances.
it starts at home, with dialogue, with what a family (parents) values as "entertainment" (tv, movies, video, music, etc.), it starts with setting examples.
gawd. even as i write this, i myself feel like i sound like a far-right religious prude. which i'm decidedly not. that's how far i feel we've fallen. |
I think it's interesting that the discussion here has turned to solutions, you know, as if the ones we're seeing right now aren't the right ones or won't work. I think we're right where we need to be save one thing and that's criminal prosecutions where it is warranted. This is all so long overdue. I think we all have a human tendency to jump to the big picture and big picture fixes. This is like a world war. There's multiple theaters of conflict. But each granular battle is incredibly important.
As an aside, it's good to know that people here are aware of how long standing, unique, and extreme is the situation in the entertainment industry. Or at least people have a clue. Because whether women around the world and in all the various industries like to hear it or not, Hollywood is Ground Zero for workplace sexual improprieties, and the ground is dug all the way to hell.
I don't know if I've already said this here or not but it's about Al Franken and the way there was this effort by, for example, Ruth Marcus, and I guess everyone, again, human nature, to compare Al Franken's behavior to Harvey Weinstein or the Roy Moore allegations, etc. So to that I say this. You know who you need to be comparing Al Franken to that you're not? All the guys who wouldn't dream of doing what he did. Because we're all watching this.
So I have to say this now. I hate virtue signaling, but I am not above virtue SCREAMING given certain specific weather conditions. We're there now. With every single allegation that has broken, as each day passes, mother fuck if I'm not feeling better and better about myself. lol. And it's not just schadenfreude. I have always assumed that nobody on earth was more focused on beauty and women and what our beloved President grabs them by, than me. I grew up in the sexual revolution and I'm still right there. But I have NEVER, EVER, behaved inappropriately with a women or girl in my long life. I've never inappropriately touched a woman or a girl. I've never forced myself on a girl or a women or was 'all hands' or anything like that. I've fucking barely hit on a women in 60 years. And I have to say, nevertheless, I've had a LOT of fun in my life. My attitude has always been the same. If you aren't interested in me I'm sure as fuck not interested in you. Also, I've always been paranoid about being seen by women as a perve. Which I am. But still.
So when I hear about this shit of grabbing a woman's ass as photographs are taken with them, I'm more appalled then even the women who have to put up with this shit every day. Because they see it and know it exists. I'm like, I had NO concept that a elected politician would DARE play grab ass with his constituents! I can't even fathom that. I get Harvey Weinstiein! Oh yeah, I GET Hollywood and the behavior of the 'suits.' Know all about it and how big and widespread it is. But, for instance, I just don't for the life of me get how a Louis C.K. could risk and destroy his career by giving into this weird need to masturbate in front of women.
I had a girl who wanted me to do that and I was like, I can't do that, honey. It's too fucking personal. How about you do it for me and we'll both watch.
Now I do have a fucked up immature sense of humor. Obviously. But by the time I was in my mid-20s I was in positions of responsibility, running my own band, etc. and I wouldn't have even dreamed of uttering a word that would have jeopardized my fucking livelihood and all the money and dreams I had invested in being a fucking musician who actually gets PAID? Please. Jesus.
Anyway. Back to the topic. I think we're really on the right track here. Expose and fire and keep going until we've cleaned house in industry after industry. But I'm telling you all right now, NOTHING you will see is like this. These people are among the most powerful people in this country. Harvey Weinstein and Matt Lauer and Charlie Rose would have all been right there at Hillary Clinton's victory party in November had she won. I said a while back the Democratic Party is funded by people who everyone here who hates Republicans would hate just as much as the Koch Brothers. Well, here they are. Meet the Cock Brothers.
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But who the hell ever thought it was ok to drop trou in front of someone? That is such a completely bizarre notion to me. I've never heard of or thought of such a thing. |
Amen, brother. I got long LIST of shit I want to do with a woman and that one has never even crossed my mind.
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But who the hell ever thought it was ok to drop trou in front of someone? That is such a completely bizarre notion to me. I've never heard of or thought of such a thing. |
Amen, brother. I got long LIST of shit I want to do with a woman and that one has never even crossed my mind. |
Then you don't have the mind of Bill Clinton, who as governor of Arkansas had state troopers bring women to his hotel rooms.
One was Paula Jones. Clinton dropped trou and told Jones to "kiss it". She bolted in revulsion, subsequently sued Clinton for sexual harassment, and eventually prevailed in a $850,000 settlement. Along the way, Clinton got impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice, was fined $90,000 by a federal judge for lying and other contempt of court, and lost his law license.
And Paula Jones wasn't even the most egregious charge against Clinton. Juanita Brodderick has claimed for 20 years that Clinton violently assaulted and raped her.
Yet, the "feminist" movement and the entire left wing machine not only defended and excused Clinton (and still does), not only disbelieved and marginalized all the women who came out against him, but they (including Hillary Clinton) affirmatively slut-shamed and bullied the victimized women. In a famous New York Times op-ed in 1998, feminist icon Gloria Steinem dismissed Clinton's actions toward Paula Jones (and Kathleen Willey) as nothing more than "a clumsy sexual pass," after which Clinton essentially honored women because "the President took 'no' for an answer." The New York Times has reportedly purged Steinem's article from its archives, but it can still be found and is currently being discussed again.
I agree that none of this behavior by powerful men is new, but is simply now being widely reported. I further don't expect it to stop. After the current bubble of purge passes, after Hollywood and Congress and the media congratulate themselves about a few firings and rule changes, powerful men will continue to use their power for sexual conquest.
Moreover, today there is a greatly diminished societal support structure to model and mold the behavior of young boys and girls. Largely gone are two-parent homes with extended families, embedded in consistent and non-relative community morals, and immersed in a strong matrix of religious training. Today, we have millions of partially parent-less kids, alone in secular technological anomie, with graphic pornography on view screens that are ever-present in their hands. |
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Amd yet this type of behavior is far less frequent amongst the younger generations. The young are much more socially aware of their behavior and the inherent sexism that defines us older generations.
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Amd yet this type of behavior is far less frequent amongst the younger generations. The young are much more socially aware of their behavior and the inherent sexism that defines us older generations. |
That would be nice, but I don't know what your empirical basis is for saying it.
The very young are not yet in the positions of power that enable their sexual appetites to run amok. I'd be very surprised if the sexual behavior of tomorrow's kings, generals, politicians, business executives, directors, actors, news anchors, and rock stars is any different from all the preceding generations throughout history. (And I hope there's a way I find out.) |
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