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Shorter summary in the Hill for those who won't read Donna Brazile's article in Politico:
Brazile: ‘Proof’ that Clinton rigged nomination process ‘broke my heart’
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Former Democratic National Committee (DNC) interim Chairwoman Donna Brazile writes in a new book that it “broke [her] heart” when she discovered evidence that she said showed Hillary Clinton’s campaign fixed the Democratic nomination system in her favor.
Brazile described an agreement between the Clinton campaign, the DNC and Clinton’s joint fundraising committee that said the campaign would “control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised.”
Brazile noted that the agreement was signed in August of 2015, effectively giving Clinton control of the party almost one year before she secured the nomination.
“If the fight had been fair, one campaign would not have control of the party before the voters had decided which one they wanted to lead." |
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| Posted: 11/02/17 1:16 pm ::: |
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| Brazile's newfound sense of ethics didn't stop her from feeding debate and town hall questions to Clinton ahead of time...
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| Posted: 11/02/17 1:27 pm ::: |
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| Brazile's newfound sense of ethics didn't stop her from feeding debate and town hall questions to Clinton ahead of time... |
That will not go unnoticed to anyone who followed the campaign. One might surmise that, in part, Brazile's trying to rehabilitate her reputation after being fired by CNN for her unethical behavior. Nevertheless, she's describing an incontrovertible fact: a written, signed agreement between the DNC and the Hillary campaign.
I predict most media won't ask Hillary about this; that she'll deflect if she is asked; that she'll deny knowledge if absolutely cornered; or, if she can't deny in the face of evidence, she'll claim the agreement was the only way to save the DNC and that she's a hero for doing so. |
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Hey, she's got a book to sell!  |
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| Posted: 11/02/17 6:57 pm ::: |
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| I predict most media won't ask Hillary about this; that she'll deflect if she is asked; that she'll deny knowledge if absolutely cornered; or, if she can't deny in the face of evidence, she'll claim the agreement was the only way to save the DNC and that she's a hero for doing so. |
Well, aren't YOU psychic!?? 
This is the "Crooked" part of Hillary/Politics in General. THIS IS AMERICAN POLITICS. She certainly didn't break any new ground in this vein. Her loss, imo, is purely karmic justice in so many ways.
The saddest part of all this, tho, is that OUR Karma as a nation is to have T-Rump wreaking havoc as he is. HIS "Crookedness" is just what a Vengeful God would bestow on such a stupid nation. (IFF you believe in God, that is, LOL!)
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Just for the sake of argument, I'll approach this from a different perspective -- namely, that Sanders deserved having the DNC rigged against and in opposition to him.
Sanders has never in a lifetime in politics identified as a Democrat, but only as a socialist Independent. He does not identify as a Democrat now. The only reason he temporarily glommed onto the Democrat label in the primary season was because he cynically, and correctly, anticipated that he could secure more votes that way than if he ran on the Independent or Socialist party lines.
Therefore, the DEMOCRAT National Committee was entirely justified in being totally in the tank for the real Democrat, Hillary, instead of the fake Democrat, Bernie. |
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Yes, the DNC preferred the actual Democrat.
There was no rigging however. This is just, once again, leftists doing Republicans work for them.
https://thedailybanter.com/2017/11/donna-brazile-rewrites-history-with-anti-hillary-backstabbing/
"Let me repeat this with emphasis - Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton signed the same agreements to help the Democratic Party, both of which had been reported on before Donna Brazile made this "discovery." He just ignored it - and those are Brazile's own words, not mine."
"Since his loss, he has still refused to share his list of donors with the DNC, nor has he properly addressed his FEC violations, which include an undisclosed donation of $10 million dollars shortly after he announced his campaign. He also still doesn't identify as a Democrat."
"What should be noted is that the article was published in May 2016 - before any down ballot candidates were nominated. And the money that got sent back to them was eventually spent on voter outreach in state parties. It turned out that Clinton raised $40 million that May, with $27 million going to her campaign, and $13.5 million going to the DNC and state parties through the Hillary Victory Fund, which was established in the joint fundraising agreement she signed in August 2015"
Clinton won by getting more votes. Period. It wasn't close. She murdered him. And She murdered him because he was unable to get more than 20% of the African American vote. This "it was rigged" nonsense erases Clinton's supporters stature in the party, that of the majority.
So yeah, shame on the DNC for being dead-ass broke for 2016..and shame on them even more for allowing the hit pieces on the person who bailed them out of it.
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I don't understand why "Obama left the party $24 million in debt". Why was the DNC having to give Obama money they didn't have in 2012 to beat Romney?
"Individuals who had maxed out their $2,700 contribution limit to the campaign could write an additional check for $353,400 to the Hillary Victory Fund—that figure represented $10,000 to each of the 32 states’ parties who were part of the Victory Fund agreement—$320,000—and $33,400 to the DNC."
Nice to see that we cap it at $354,400 so that the money of the rich is not a factor in our elections.
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The thing that most bothers me about this and the other Hillary stories is that her slimy stiff gives Trump a diversion from his conduct.
I don't give a shit any more about Clinton any more, but it pisses me off that she keeps providing him and his followers with excuses and "she's worse" story lines.
Hillary is the best thing Trump has going for him. If not for her being such a slimenall, his misdeeds would be standing out there alone much more clearly without the fog.
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| If not for her being such a slimenall, his misdeeds would be standing out there alone much more clearly without the fog. |
If not for that, he wouldn't be president
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| If not for her being such a slimenall, his misdeeds would be standing out there alone much more clearly without the fog. |
If not for that, he wouldn't be president |
Good point.
He must consider "Crooked Hillary" to be the gift that keeps on giving.
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Oh, and the Dems keep playing right into Trump's hands.
Start with Brazile trying to sell books with salacious Clinton stories.
And then this morning who do I see on TV but Warren talking about Brazile's claims and calling the Democratic primaries "fixed,". Because of course Elizabeth Warren is never going to miss an opportunity to get two minutes of face time on MSNBC.
Nice of the Dems to do Trump's dirty work for him.
Hey Warren, and every other Democrat asked about Brazile's book or about Hillary, the only correct answer is "I don't care, that's the past, the election is over, we need to be focused and talking about all the damage Trump is doing to this nation now like this travesty of a tax bill."
But no, for publicity hounds like Warren, if someone wants to talk about Clinton and the primaries instead of Trump, she's only too happy to cooperate if it gets her face on TV. Just keep providing cover and diversions for Trump.
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| I find it absolutely hilarious that while the left continues to find new ways of inventing one fake story after another about Trump committing election fraud that nobody believes, they are completely mired in a huge election fraud being uncovered on a daily basis. Add to that there was also racketeering in the mix as well.
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| Stonington_QB wrote: |
| I find it absolutely hilarious that while the left continues to find new ways of inventing one fake story after another about Trump committing election fraud that nobody believes, they are completely mired in a huge election fraud being uncovered on a daily basis. Add to that there was also racketeering in the mix as well. |
I don't think "fraud" and "racketeering" mean what you think they mean.
This stuff is arguably slimy and unethical, but it is not a question of illegal behavior.
And the only person making up stories about "election fraud" is Trump. There is no legitimate source suggesting that Trump or his campaign committed election fraud. The fact you think that's what this is all about says a lot about where you have had your head this past year.
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| Posted: 11/03/17 12:48 pm ::: |
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| I find it absolutely hilarious that while the left continues to find new ways of inventing one fake story after another about Trump committing election fraud that nobody believes, they are completely mired in a huge election fraud being uncovered on a daily basis. Add to that there was also racketeering in the mix as well. |
I was truly amused by your post.
- What stories about Trump are supposedly "fake"? They tend to be pretty accurate it seems to me.
- That some people choose to believe whatever propaganda Brietbart, Newsmax and Fix &Friends spew does not establish that "nobody believes" the stories about Trump.
- Clinton may be a slimeball, but there has not been a single instance of "huge election fraud" by her.
- It's pretty obvious you just pulled the word "racketeering" out of your ass and have no idea what it means, much less any examples of it being committed by the Dems.
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| Stonington_QB wrote: |
| I find it absolutely hilarious that while the left continues to find new ways of inventing one fake story after another about Trump committing election fraud that nobody believes, they are completely mired in a huge election fraud being uncovered on a daily basis. Add to that there was also racketeering in the mix as well. |
I was truly amused by your post.
- What stories about Trump are supposedly "fake"? They tend to be pretty accurate it seems to me.
- That some people choose to believe whatever propaganda Brietbart, Newsmax and Fix &Friends spew does not establish that "nobody believes" the stories about Trump.
- Clinton may be a slimeball, but there has not been a single instance of "huge election fraud" by her.
- It's pretty obvious you just pulled the word "racketeering" out of your ass and have no idea what it means, much less any examples of it being committed by the Dems. |
You're stuck throwing the same tired rhetoric at me every time you try to make a point because you've got nothing else. Nothing.
Hillary is a Democrat is she not? She is totally guilty of racketeering. Not necessarily in this particular case (although we may never know). She may not ever have to face a judge but that's another issue.
Where do I begin with fake Trump stories? Why don't you tell me which ones are real? You can't. All you got is throwing Breitbart and Newsmax. I can play that game too. Go back to your Media Matters and MoveOn.org so you can be back in your safe zone
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| Posted: 11/03/17 1:38 pm ::: |
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| ArtBest23 wrote: |
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| I find it absolutely hilarious that while the left continues to find new ways of inventing one fake story after another about Trump committing election fraud that nobody believes, they are completely mired in a huge election fraud being uncovered on a daily basis. Add to that there was also racketeering in the mix as well. |
I was truly amused by your post.
- What stories about Trump are supposedly "fake"? They tend to be pretty accurate it seems to me.
- That some people choose to believe whatever propaganda Brietbart, Newsmax and Fix &Friends spew does not establish that "nobody believes" the stories about Trump.
- Clinton may be a slimeball, but there has not been a single instance of "huge election fraud" by her.
- It's pretty obvious you just pulled the word "racketeering" out of your ass and have no idea what it means, much less any examples of it being committed by the Dems. |
You're stuck throwing the same tired rhetoric at me every time you try to make a point because you've got nothing else. Nothing.
Hillary is a Democrat is she not? She is totally guilty of racketeering. Not necessarily in this particular case (although we may never know). She may not ever have to face a judge but that's another issue.
Where do I begin with fake Trump stories? Why don't you tell me which ones are real? You can't. All you got is throwing Breitbart and Newsmax. I can play that game too. Go back to your Media Matters and MoveOn.org so you can be back in your safe zone |
popcorn, anyone?
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| tfan wrote: |
"Individuals who had maxed out their $2,700 contribution limit to the campaign could write an additional check for $353,400 to the Hillary Victory Fund—that figure represented $10,000 to each of the 32 states’ parties who were part of the Victory Fund agreement—$320,000—and $33,400 to the DNC."
Nice to see that we cap it at $354,400 so that the money of the rich is not a factor in our elections. |
I don't understand campaign finance very much, but money-for-power has been at the root almost every Clintonian scheme and scandal since the late '70's -- except for the ones involving sexual predation and enabling.
The takeover game of the DNC seems to have been a scheme to avoid the individual contribution limits to the Hillary campaign. After signing the contract of adhesion with the DNC, Hillary apparently went out on her endless fundraising trips on behalf of the DNC. People who had maxed out on their $2,700 allowed contributions directly to Hillary could contribute up to $320,000 to the state parties and $33,400 to the DNC. Then, the states gave most or all of their money to the DNC. Then, since Hillary had a contract whereby she controlled all the finances of the DNC, she gave all or most of the state money plus the DNC money right back into her campaign.
If that's all true, which would take some investigative digging, it could violate campaign contribution and money evasion/laundering laws. Possibly. |
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| ArtBest23 wrote: |
| Stonington_QB wrote: |
| I find it absolutely hilarious that while the left continues to find new ways of inventing one fake story after another about Trump committing election fraud that nobody believes, they are completely mired in a huge election fraud being uncovered on a daily basis. Add to that there was also racketeering in the mix as well. |
I was truly amused by your post.
- What stories about Trump are supposedly "fake"? They tend to be pretty accurate it seems to me.
- That some people choose to believe whatever propaganda Brietbart, Newsmax and Fix &Friends spew does not establish that "nobody believes" the stories about Trump.
- Clinton may be a slimeball, but there has not been a single instance of "huge election fraud" by her.
- It's pretty obvious you just pulled the word "racketeering" out of your ass and have no idea what it means, much less any examples of it being committed by the Dems. |
You're stuck throwing the same tired rhetoric at me every time you try to make a point because you've got nothing else. Nothing.
Hillary is a Democrat is she not? She is totally guilty of racketeering. Not necessarily in this particular case (although we may never know). She may not ever have to face a judge but that's another issue.
Where do I begin with fake Trump stories? Why don't you tell me which ones are real? You can't. All you got is throwing Breitbart and Newsmax. I can play that game too. Go back to your Media Matters and MoveOn.org so you can be back in your safe zone |
Keep digging that hole, deeper and deeper.
How many RICO cases have you litigated? Yeah. That's what I thought.
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"Individuals who had maxed out their $2,700 contribution limit to the campaign could write an additional check for $353,400 to the Hillary Victory Fund—that figure represented $10,000 to each of the 32 states’ parties who were part of the Victory Fund agreement—$320,000—and $33,400 to the DNC."
Nice to see that we cap it at $354,400 so that the money of the rich is not a factor in our elections. |
I don't understand campaign finance very much, but money-for-power has been at the root almost every Clintonian scheme and scandal since the late '70's -- except for the ones involving sexual predation and enabling.
The takeover game of the DNC seems to have been a scheme to avoid the individual contribution limits to the Hillary campaign. After signing the contract of adhesion with the DNC, Hillary apparently went out on her endless fundraising trips on behalf of the DNC. People who had maxed out on their $2,700 allowed contributions directly to Hillary could contribute up to $320,000 to the state parties and $33,400 to the DNC. Then, the states gave most or all of their money to the DNC. Then, since Hillary had a contract whereby she controlled all the finances of the DNC, she gave all or most of the state money plus the DNC money right back into her campaign.
If that's all true, which would take some investigative digging, it could violate campaign contribution and money evasion/laundering laws. Possibly. |
It certainly smells, but the critical word is "possibly". More likely some lawyers found a small technical loophole and they drove the Third Army right through the middle if it.
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And...it's debunked in less than 24 hours. I'm sure this story won't be nearly as explosive though.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/memo-reveals-details-hillary-clinton-dnc-deal-n817411
I'd like to thank Donna - I'm going to write a book worthy of pizzagate - Brazile, Liz - it's cute that you think the Bernie Bros won't find a reason to hate you in 2020 - Warren, and the "liberal" media for giving Trump and the Russia bots ammunition, right before elections. Again.
Again, seriously..call me when she does something actually slimy, not politically mundane. This is why we have Trump. It's nothing Clinton did, it's what this media made up caricature of Clinton "did", and the liberal tendency to eat it's own.
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WaPo: Donna Brazile: I considered replacing Clinton with Biden as 2016 Democratic nominee
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Former Democratic National Committee head Donna Brazile writes in a new book that she seriously contemplated replacing Hillary Clinton as the party’s 2016 presidential nominee with then-Vice President Biden in the aftermath of Clinton’s fainting spell, in part because Clinton’s campaign was “anemic” and had taken on “the odor of failure.”
In an explosive new memoir, Brazile details widespread dysfunction and dissension throughout the Democratic Party, including secret deliberations over using her powers as interim DNC chair to initiate the removal of Clinton and running mate Sen. Tim Kaine (Va.) from the ticket after Clinton’s Sept. 11, 2016, collapse in New York City.
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Brazile paints a scathing portrait of Clinton as a well-intentioned, historic candidate whose campaign was badly mismanaged, took minority constituencies for granted and made blunders with “stiff” and “stupid” messages. The campaign was so lacking in passion for the candidate, she writes, that its New York headquarters felt like a sterile hospital ward where “someone had died.” |
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