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PostPosted: 01/08/18 1:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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readyAIMfire53 wrote:

Predictions for next week:
Oregon UP


You don't say how this happens. Only way it happens is if a team from the Top 8 drops. So either there'd be a big upset of one of the teams in the Top 7, or a relatively minor upset of #8 Texas to Oklahoma St.

I think it's more likely Oregon drops rather than go up, and most likely just stays the same.


Well the prophet rAf turned out to be right (except she never detailed how it would happen). A big upset of South Carolina by Missouri dropped them 5, just enough to bring Oregon up 1.



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Gotta say I am surprised by the love for Oregon over South Car, who have beaten Maryland and Duke and Rutgers, the only similar team was Tex A&M who they both beat and Oregon got by UCLA, kinda strange.


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Week 9

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/rankings/_/poll/1/week/9/seasontype/2

Same Top 8 as last week. Here's how the Bottom 17 faired.



Stanford and Arizona St sneak back in.

Green Bay and USF out


Predictions for next week:
Oregon UP correct
Ohio St DOWN stayed same
Oregon St DOWN correct
Duke DOWN (playing AT Louisville LOST to Louisville but went UP?
Oklahoma St UP stayed same
Stanford UP
went back down

Oregon beat UCLA and went up
Ohio St almost got beat by Michigan (which is how they would have gone down)
Oregon St lost and went down
Duke got beat but went up? (yes, they did mount an unsuccessful comeback vs Louisville and beat NC State)
Ok.St won but stayed the same
Stanford lost in conference. Oh well.



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This is Michigan's longest streak in their history of the A.P....hanging on by fingernails but still there after 10 weeks.


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Stanford's finally out of the AP poll. Took long enough.



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Stanford's finally out of the AP poll. Took long enough.


They were out not too long ago. Surprised



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Shades wrote:
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Stanford's finally out of the AP poll. Took long enough.


They were out not too long ago. Surprised


While I said from the outset that my trees were over-rated, I'm trying to figure out how Cal, who is 2-2 against the same teams that the Cardinal are 3-1, is still in? On the other hand, when you look at who the others are who are just out, you have to think both teams are top 30 anyway.

And I didn't expect SoCar to plummet quite so far. Usually a loss against another top 20 team on the other's home court is worth a 2 or at most 3 place drop.

And Rutgers moving up based on wins against PSU and Illinois. Laughing



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PostPosted: 01/09/18 5:16 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

myrtle wrote:
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Stanford's finally out of the AP poll. Took long enough.


They were out not too long ago. :o


While I said from the outset that my trees were over-rated, I'm trying to figure out how Cal, who is 2-2 against the same teams that the Cardinal are 3-1, is still in? On the other hand, when you look at who the others are who are just out, you have to think both teams are top 30 anyway.

And I didn't expect SoCar to plummet quite so far. Usually a loss against another top 20 team on the other's home court is worth a 2 or at most 3 place drop.

And Rutgers moving up based on wins against PSU and Illinois. :lol:


I agree with you on Cal vs, Stanford. Right now Stanford is the better team and should be in the Top 25. I still believe that Cal can come together, but they looked bad without Thomas against Arizona, who was out under concussion protocol. I fear if she is unable to play this week Cal could lose to either Washington or Washington St.

As for South Carolina, I think it is hard to pick among the top teams. I wouldn't have Baylor ranked that high since they don't have a very good win (best win Stanford without McPhee). But even though Missouri isn't a bad loss, it is worse than any of the other 7 teams ranked ahead of them. The one team I think is under-ranked is Oklahoma St, who I would have closer to 15. Finally, I find it interesting that Missouri moved up 3 spots after losing to LSU and beating South Carolina. I wonder where they would have been if those two games were reversed.


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PostPosted: 01/09/18 10:59 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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https://collegebasketball.ap.org/ap-womens-basketball-poll-week-10-4

UConn still unanimous

Mississippi State up to #4

Arizona State up to #18

Oregon State down to #22

Rutgers and Green Bay in
Villanova and Stanford out


That's a decent move up for ASU. Expected up, but not that much.


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PostPosted: 01/09/18 11:18 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

myrtle wrote:
Shades wrote:
toad455 wrote:
Stanford's finally out of the AP poll. Took long enough.


They were out not too long ago. Surprised


While I said from the outset that my trees were over-rated, I'm trying to figure out how Cal, who is 2-2 against the same teams that the Cardinal are 3-1, is still in? On the other hand, when you look at who the others are who are just out, you have to think both teams are top 30 anyway.

And I didn't expect SoCar to plummet quite so far. Usually a loss against another top 20 team on the other's home court is worth a 2 or at most 3 place drop.

And Rutgers moving up based on wins against PSU and Illinois. Laughing


Totally agree here, not sure why Cal is in.


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Rutgers and Arizona State benefited from several teams just ahead of them losing.



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I wonder if Louisville's win is impressive enough to garner some #1 votes



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PostPosted: 01/11/18 9:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Well, 4 of the top 11 have lost so far and the week is only half over. Still have the Friday, Saturday, Sunday games.

Gonna be some changes in next week's polls I expect.


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PostPosted: 01/11/18 10:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I wonder if Louisville's win is impressive enough to garner some #1 votes


No


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I wonder if Louisville's win is impressive enough to garner some #1 votes


No


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https://collegebasketball.ap.org/ap-womens-basketball-poll-week-11-0

UConn still unanimous

Louisville up to #2

Oregon State up to #18

Arizona State down to #22

Same 25 teams as last week


Oh, and
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Cal at 21 is too high.

Georgia being unranked is wrong. All they have done is beat everyone they've played except two top 10 teams, and they just went on the road and beat #16 Texas A&M. They are only 3 points behind Rutgers for #25, but they deserve more respect. At least the voters gave some respect to another Georgia school.


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Cal at 21 is too high.

Georgia being unranked is wrong. All they have done is beat everyone they've played except two top 10 teams, and they just went on the road and beat #16 Texas A&M. They are only 3 points behind Rutgers for #25, but they deserve more respect. At least the voters gave some respect to another Georgia school.


Not going to lie , i had them in the Top 25 finally after the big win yesterday. Guess everyone does not see things the same Cal smh .



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Oh, and
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They had 1 pt last week too. Must be that same loopy voter. Wink



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Cal at 21 is too high.

Georgia being unranked is wrong. All they have done is beat everyone they've played except two top 10 teams, and they just went on the road and beat #16 Texas A&M. They are only 3 points behind Rutgers for #25, but they deserve more respect. At least the voters gave some respect to another Georgia school.


Really thought Georgia would take Rutgers spot.


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Here's my rough estimate of the new AP Top 25

1. Connecticut

2. Mississippi St

3. Baylor

4. Louisville (first loss only by one pt. Destroyed ND head-to-head)

5. Notre Dame

6. Oregon

7. Texas

8. South Carolina (Wilson is back!)

9. Florida St

10. Missouri

11. Tennessee

12. Ohio St

13. UCLA

14. Maryland

15. Texas A&M

16. Michigan

17. Duke

18. Oregon St

19. Green Bay

20. West Virginia

21. Oklahoma St

22. California

23. Georgia

24. Arizona St

25. Stanford


Out: Rutgers, Iowa
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Sounds pretty good. I'd have TN ahead of MO.


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Sounds pretty good. I'd have TN ahead of MO.


Id also have them ahead of So. Car , Tennesee's losses are to formidable opponents . There drop should not be as huge as they hung tight with each opponent over the last 4 . Easily could have went 3-1 in that stretch .



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PostPosted: 01/22/18 1:51 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

New AP poll

Lots of shake up in top 10

UConn
Miss St
Baylor
Louisville
Notre Dame
Texas
Oregon
Florida St
South Carolina
Tennessee

Georgia in at 21
TCU in at 24

Iowa and Rutgers out.


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So Car didn't have Wilson though.


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And for Pilight, Mercer 2 votes


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So Car didn't have Wilson though.


I still think the LV's would have won . So Car has not impressed me at all this season . Its pretty much been the Aja show , UCONN will demolish them im sad to say .



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And for Pilight, Mercer 2 votes


2 votes or 2 pts? If it's 2 pts, it's most likely the same voter as last week but he upgraded them to #24 in the country.



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Duke now at #18, despite losing to three unranked teams. Yes, they beat #17 Oregon State and #12 Ohio State, but both those teams are also overranked.

calbearman76 wrote:
New AP poll

Lots of shake up in top 10

UConn
Miss St
Baylor
Louisville
Notre Dame
Texas
Oregon
Florida St
South Carolina
Tennessee

Georgia in at 21
TCU in at 24

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And for Pilight, Mercer 2 votes


2 votes or 2 pts? If it's 2 pts, it's most likely the same voter as last week but he upgraded them to #24 in the country.


Actually it turns out it is 2 separate 25th place votes, although when I used the term I used in it in the sense that each ballot essentially includes 375 votes. The two voters are Scott Nulph of the Laramie Boomerang and Ryan Thorburn of the Register Guard. Having done this research my question becomes, "Why do 2 writers from Laramie Wyoming and Eugene Oregon each give a single vote to a team from Georgia that doesn't play a game more than 2 states away all season?"


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Looks like four voters picked MS state lower than #2 (or someone had them further down).


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PostPosted: 01/22/18 3:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Not a good week for the B1G top 25.

Rutgers dropped from #25 to essentially #34. Iowa from #20 to #27. Nebraska got a handful of votes after beating both last week.

Ohio State dropped from 8 to 12 after losing to Michigan. Michigan rose from 19 to 16. Maryland remains at 14.


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Shades wrote:
calbearman76 wrote:
And for Pilight, Mercer 2 votes


2 votes or 2 pts? If it's 2 pts, it's most likely the same voter as last week but he upgraded them to #24 in the country.


Actually it turns out it is 2 separate 25th place votes, although when I used the term I used in it in the sense that each ballot essentially includes 375 votes. The two voters are Scott Nulph of the Laramie Boomerang and Ryan Thorburn of the Register Guard. Having done this research my question becomes, "Why do 2 writers from Laramie Wyoming and Eugene Oregon each give a single vote to a team from Georgia that doesn't play a game more than 2 states away all season?"


Oh, so the love for Mercer is truly multiplying.

Now explain the TCU love.



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Sounds pretty good. I'd have TN ahead of MO.


Id also have them ahead of So. Car , Tennesee's losses are to formidable opponents . There drop should not be as huge as they hung tight with each opponent over the last 4 . Easily could have went 3-1 in that stretch .


Could have beat TAMU? That's true but the correct way to look at that game is that they SHOULD have beat TAMU. A No 6 losing to a No 16 is a bad loss.

As for the N Dame and Miss St games, in what universe do you think they "hung tight"? Maybe for the 1st period. Sure, they got within 7 vs Miss St when some subs were in but that lasted less than a minute and the lead quickly became DD's again. What Tenn showed in the last 2 games was that they can beat teams over which they have a sizable talent and athleticism advantage but that they can't hang with elite teams. And that isn't meant as a put down. They have a lot of talent but not enough experience.

And I question whether they would beat a SC team with Wilson, but we'll see about that next month.


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Not a good week for the B1G top 25.

Rutgers dropped from #25 to essentially #34. Iowa from #20 to #27. Nebraska got a handful of votes after beating both last week.

Ohio State dropped from 8 to 12 after losing to Michigan. Michigan rose from 19 to 16. Maryland remains at 14.


It's funny how I got all the Big Ten placements right.

I'm not buying Nebraska>Minnesota but it's probably close.

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https://collegebasketball.ap.org/ap-womens-basketball-poll-week-12-0

UConn still unanimous

Mississippi State up to #2

Oklahoma State up to #19

Ohio State down to #12

Iowa and Rutgers out
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And for Pilight, Mercer 2 votes


2 votes or 2 pts? If it's 2 pts, it's most likely the same voter as last week but he upgraded them to #24 in the country.


Actually it turns out it is 2 separate 25th place votes, although when I used the term I used in it in the sense that each ballot essentially includes 375 votes. The two voters are Scott Nulph of the Laramie Boomerang and Ryan Thorburn of the Register Guard. Having done this research my question becomes, "Why do 2 writers from Laramie Wyoming and Eugene Oregon each give a single vote to a team from Georgia that doesn't play a game more than 2 states away all season?"


This demonstrates the value of not being seen

I'm not sure what you mean by "2 states away". Every game on Mercer's schedule is either in Georgia or in a state adjacent to Georgia.



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calbearman76 wrote:
Shades wrote:
calbearman76 wrote:
And for Pilight, Mercer 2 votes


2 votes or 2 pts? If it's 2 pts, it's most likely the same voter as last week but he upgraded them to #24 in the country.


Actually it turns out it is 2 separate 25th place votes, although when I used the term I used in it in the sense that each ballot essentially includes 375 votes. The two voters are Scott Nulph of the Laramie Boomerang and Ryan Thorburn of the Register Guard. Having done this research my question becomes, "Why do 2 writers from Laramie Wyoming and Eugene Oregon each give a single vote to a team from Georgia that doesn't play a game more than 2 states away all season?"


This demonstrates the value of not being seen

I'm not sure what you mean by "2 states away". Every game on Mercer's schedule is either in Georgia or in a state adjacent to Georgia.


My mistake. I had it in my mind that the Western Kentucky game was away. So what dirt do you have on Scott and Ryan?


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Not a good week for the B1G top 25.

Rutgers dropped from #25 to essentially #34. Iowa from #20 to #27. Nebraska got a handful of votes after beating both last week.

Ohio State dropped from 8 to 12 after losing to Michigan. Michigan rose from 19 to 16. Maryland remains at 14.


It's funny how I got all the Big Ten placements right.

I'm not buying Nebraska>Minnesota but it's probably close.


Wait. What? Nebraska won 79-74 on Minnesota's floor on 12/31.


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https://collegebasketball.ap.org/ap-womens-basketball-poll-week-13-0

UConn still unanimous

Oregon up to #6

UCLA up to #9

Ohio State down to #18

Stanford in
Arizona State out



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Duke got two healthy margin wins last week and still dropped one spot. Don’t see that happen too often.



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This really has been a whackadoodle kind of year.


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Duke got two healthy margin wins last week and still dropped one spot. Don’t see that happen too often.


Beating BC and Pitt shouldn't move anyone up. They didn't really move down so much as Georgia moved ahead of them because they beat Missouri.

For me the surprise is that Cal is still ranked instead of Arizona St. Cal has yet to beat a team better than USC (even though every loss has been to a ranked team). Arizona St has beaten Cal twice and is tied with them in the Pac 12.


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Duke got two healthy margin wins last week and still dropped one spot. Don’t see that happen too often.


Beating BC and Pitt shouldn't move anyone up. They didn't really move down so much as Georgia moved ahead of them because they beat Missouri.


Not the greatest wins but but decent MOV’s as I already pointed out. Certainly good enough not to drop. What should have happened if they’re feeling Georgia that much is to drop Ohio St one extra spot so Duke stays at #18... in a perfect world.



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With Cal being ranked over ASU, makes me think they are not watching the PAC, which could be a good thing as it's not very pretty Laughing


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I'm not convinced Michigan's as good as #13, but I'll take it until proven otherwise. Shocked


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Not one vote for Southern Cal?


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With Cal being ranked over ASU, makes me think they are not watching the PAC, which could be a good thing as it's not very pretty Laughing


true. let's see - Cal is 6-4 in league against the same teams Stanford is 8-2. And Stanford beat ASU handily in their only matchup in league...yet both Cal and ASU are somehow better than Stanford? Laughing I'm actually fine with it but it seems pretty strange.



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With Cal being ranked over ASU, makes me think they are not watching the PAC, which could be a good thing as it's not very pretty Laughing


true. let's see - Cal is 6-4 in league against the same teams Stanford is 8-2. And Stanford beat ASU handily in their only matchup in league...yet both Cal and ASU are somehow better than Stanford? Laughing I'm actually fine with it but it seems pretty strange.


Yeah seems as though their not watching none whatsoever .



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Duke got two healthy margin wins last week and still dropped one spot. Don’t see that happen too often.


Beating BC and Pitt shouldn't move anyone up. They didn't really move down so much as Georgia moved ahead of them because they beat Missouri.


Not the greatest wins but but decent MOV’s as I already pointed out. Certainly good enough not to drop. What should have happened if they’re feeling Georgia that much is to drop Ohio St one extra spot so Duke stays at #18... in a perfect world.


Shades: still pimping out Duke as they run up scores against teams with much lesser talent and only two wins against ranked teams being teams that are overranked themselves. Duke, Ohio State and Oregon State should be 20, 21,22 and eventually fall out of the top 25. When Notre Dame blows Duke off the court, we might see the rankings corrected. Duke was left out of the top 16 teams for a reason and haven't done anything to change that. They lost to freaking UNC! Three losses to unranked teams.



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