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PostPosted: 11/06/17 9:12 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Purdue beat Univ of St Francis, 88-39. All 5 starters finished in double figures, led by senior Andreona Keys who had 21 pts, 10 rebs, 6 assts and 3 steals. Soph Ae'Rianna Harris had 16 pts, 9 rebs, 3 blocks. Soph Dominique Oden had 14 pts & 4 assts while the 3rd soph starter Lamina Cooper had 12 pts, 4 rebs, 4 assts and 6 steals. The 5th starter was frosh Karrisa McLaughlin, who had 11 pts, going 3-6 from 3-pt land.

This team won't have a ton of depth so limiting fouls will be a key for them this year.


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PostPosted: 11/06/17 10:19 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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tOSU over Urbana 135-54. Five Buckeyes with 20 or more points lead by Mavunga with 27, Mitchell and Harper with 25


Urbana went 3-19 in its own conference last year. Why in the world would tOSU schedule that opponent? What could the Buckeyes possibly learn about themselves over the course of that game?


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PostPosted: 11/06/17 11:53 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

UCLA scrimmaged against Texas in Colorado last month and reports are Texas mopped the floor with the Bruins.


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PostPosted: 11/06/17 2:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

patsweetpat wrote:
NoDakSt wrote:
tOSU over Urbana 135-54. Five Buckeyes with 20 or more points lead by Mavunga with 27, Mitchell and Harper with 25


Urbana went 3-19 in its own conference last year. Why in the world would tOSU schedule that opponent? What could the Buckeyes possibly learn about themselves over the course of that game?


One could have the same question regarding USC's exhibition opponent Coker, who didn't do much better last season. But besides Coker being an in-state college, it's also coached by Gamecock Alum Shannon Johnson, who was also a teammate of Staley's on the 2004 US Olympic team. So there are some behind-the-scenes connections there.

Perhaps the same is true for Urbana, which is a Ohio-based university.....


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Conway Gamecock wrote:
patsweetpat wrote:
NoDakSt wrote:
tOSU over Urbana 135-54. Five Buckeyes with 20 or more points lead by Mavunga with 27, Mitchell and Harper with 25


Urbana went 3-19 in its own conference last year. Why in the world would tOSU schedule that opponent? What could the Buckeyes possibly learn about themselves over the course of that game?


One could have the same question regarding USC's exhibition opponent Coker, who didn't do much better last season. But besides Coker being an in-state college, it's also coached by Gamecock Alum Shannon Johnson, who was also a teammate of Staley's on the 2004 US Olympic team. So there are some behind-the-scenes connections there.

Perhaps the same is true for Urbana, which is a Ohio-based university.....


Yeah, a lot of these are about connections. Stanford played UC SD because Tara's sister Heidi is the coach there. A lot of the games are just an opportunity to scrimmage against someone other than practice players and try out new offense/defense and get Freshman introduced to a new level of play.


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PostPosted: 11/06/17 3:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

patsweetpat wrote:
NoDakSt wrote:
tOSU over Urbana 135-54. Five Buckeyes with 20 or more points lead by Mavunga with 27, Mitchell and Harper with 25


Urbana went 3-19 in its own conference last year. Why in the world would tOSU schedule that opponent? What could the Buckeyes possibly learn about themselves over the course of that game?


Come on. I haven't seen a single game this year that comes even close to Maryland's double barrelled farce last year.

First they pounded rugged Bluefield State 146-17. Bluefield State did not score a single point in the second half. As a team they had 13 rebounds for the entire game and 51 TO's. And Brenda pretended this was a legitimate matchup: "I thought tonight was a good tuneup for us.". Oh sure.

But then they outdid themselves by playing Mary Baldwin University, a school of fewer than 700 total students that went 0-24 the previous year and shot 26% from the floor for the entire season. They only had eight players on their roster (4 FR, 3 SO, 1 JR) and the tallest was 5'10". The score in this one after one quarter of play was 48-2. Final was 153-27.

I'm not sure anyone will ever surpass that absurdity. When you figure out what the Buckeyes learned, take on an even bigger question of what purpose was served by Maryland's exhibitions last year.


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PostPosted: 11/06/17 5:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/sports/w-baskbl/recaps/110517aab.html

DePaul won 128-77 in their exhibition. Dahlman was a great pickup for us. I expect her to really thrive in Bruno’s system.


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PostPosted: 11/06/17 9:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

LitePal wrote:
UCLA scrimmaged against Texas in Colorado last month and reports are Texas mopped the floor with the Bruins.


That doesn't surprise me. UCLA has underachieved for years now. They are kind of like Tenn in that they keep rating them high every year despite their perpetual underachievement.

Oregon St. beat Concordia 90-47. Five players in double figures. Gulich 21pts, Tudor 19pts ( five 3's), Kalmer 16 pts and Corosdale and Grymek with 10 a piece. Pivec had a strange double double of 12 assists and 11 rebounds.


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PostPosted: 11/06/17 9:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

willtalk wrote:
LitePal wrote:
UCLA scrimmaged against Texas in Colorado last month and reports are Texas mopped the floor with the Bruins.


That doesn't surprise me. UCLA has underachieved for years now.


When would you say is the period of time in which UCLA has not underachieved, as compared to recent years, in which UCLA has underachieved? When were the glory days for UCLAWBB, before this current period of underachievement commenced?


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PostPosted: 11/06/17 10:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

patsweetpat wrote:
willtalk wrote:
LitePal wrote:
UCLA scrimmaged against Texas in Colorado last month and reports are Texas mopped the floor with the Bruins.


That doesn't surprise me. UCLA has underachieved for years now.


When would you say is the period of time in which UCLA has not underachieved, as compared to recent years, in which UCLA has underachieved? When were the glory days for UCLAWBB, before this current period of underachievement commenced?
I would agree that they haven't really accomplished much in my memory, but you couldn't really say that they have underachieved because nothing was really expected of them. The last few years people have had high expectations for them based purely on the level talent on their team but it never panned out in victories on the court.


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PostPosted: 11/06/17 10:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

willtalk wrote:
patsweetpat wrote:
willtalk wrote:
LitePal wrote:
UCLA scrimmaged against Texas in Colorado last month and reports are Texas mopped the floor with the Bruins.


That doesn't surprise me. UCLA has underachieved for years now.


When would you say is the period of time in which UCLA has not underachieved, as compared to recent years, in which UCLA has underachieved? When were the glory days for UCLAWBB, before this current period of underachievement commenced?
I would agree that they haven't really accomplished much in my memory, but you couldn't really say that they have underachieved because nothing was really expected of them. The last few years people have had high expectations for them based purely on the level talent on their team but it never panned out in victories on the court.


Okay.


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PostPosted: 11/06/17 10:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

In other words, they've always underachieved. Actually, the second year of Nikki Caldwell they did overachieve with a 2nd in conference 15-3 and second round appearance, after a T4th 9-9 and no tournament during her first. But yes, mediocrity is a way of life for UCLA womens basketball.

In the Texas scrimmage, without Boothe, UCLA went down by 18 points in the first quarter.


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PostPosted: 11/06/17 10:08 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

patsweetpat wrote:
willtalk wrote:
LitePal wrote:
UCLA scrimmaged against Texas in Colorado last month and reports are Texas mopped the floor with the Bruins.


That doesn't surprise me. UCLA has underachieved for years now.


When would you say is the period of time in which UCLA has not underachieved, as compared to recent years, in which UCLA has underachieved? When were the glory days for UCLAWBB, before this current period of underachievement commenced?


They were pretty good with Ann Meyers.


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I think some of you might be confusing NOT ACHIEVING with Underachieving.


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PostPosted: 11/07/17 8:26 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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In other words, they've always underachieved. Actually, the second year of Nikki Caldwell they did overachieve with a 2nd in conference 15-3 and second round appearance, after a T4th 9-9 and no tournament during her first.


So going out in the Round of 32 is overachieving but going out in the Sweet 16 is underachieving?


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PostPosted: 11/07/17 8:27 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

calbearman76 wrote:
patsweetpat wrote:
willtalk wrote:
LitePal wrote:
UCLA scrimmaged against Texas in Colorado last month and reports are Texas mopped the floor with the Bruins.


That doesn't surprise me. UCLA has underachieved for years now.


When would you say is the period of time in which UCLA has not underachieved, as compared to recent years, in which UCLA has underachieved? When were the glory days for UCLAWBB, before this current period of underachievement commenced?


They were pretty good with Ann Meyers.


So they've been underachieving since 1978?


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PostPosted: 11/07/17 9:54 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

If you compare what expectations are and what came before, yes, it was underachieving.

Right now, Coach Close is in the final year with her heralded recruiting class. Compare her achievements to Coach Aston or Coach Rueck, both of whom started at approximately the same time at their new schools as she did and it's obvious who is elite and who is not.

Last year UCLA was picked to finish first in conference and finished fourth. Again, UCLA is picked to finish first. We'll see what happens. Then again, UCLA has much bigger fish to fry, like football and mens basketball.


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LitePal wrote:
In other words, they've always underachieved. Actually, the second year of Nikki Caldwell they did overachieve with a 2nd in conference 15-3 and second round appearance, after a T4th 9-9 and no tournament during her first. But yes, mediocrity is a way of life for UCLA womens basketball.

In the Texas scrimmage, without Boothe, UCLA went down by 18 points in the first quarter.

Texas has a team that has been playing together for the last 4 year also the students played on the same AAU the year before. They have Chemistry....Texas is a pretty good team.I think UCLA problem is relying on Canada too much .Billings should be the primary option.


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PostPosted: 11/07/17 11:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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If you compare what expectations are and what came before, yes, it was underachieving.


Okay, so if UCLA can just keep its expectations nice and low each year and go out in the round of 32, UCLA will have succeeded in consistently overachieving. I guess it's unfortunate for UCLA that expectations surrounding the program have risen and that they go out in the round of 16, thus underachieving. I guess UCLA needs to lose some more ballgames so their expectations can be lower so they can go out in the 2nd round and be lauded for it.


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Well, let's look at it this way. UCLA WILL lose more ballgames and even though polls rank them in the top 10, no one really believes they'll be there at the end of the season, so I guess they're not underachieving.

And regardless, a SS finish for a #1 class would be underachieving in any other program. And never a conference championship. Underachieving. Yes.


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PostPosted: 11/07/17 11:51 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

patsweetpat wrote:
calbearman76 wrote:
patsweetpat wrote:
willtalk wrote:
LitePal wrote:
UCLA scrimmaged against Texas in Colorado last month and reports are Texas mopped the floor with the Bruins.


That doesn't surprise me. UCLA has underachieved for years now.


When would you say is the period of time in which UCLA has not underachieved, as compared to recent years, in which UCLA has underachieved? When were the glory days for UCLAWBB, before this current period of underachievement commenced?


They were pretty good with Ann Meyers.


So they've been underachieving since 1978?


I was just being snarky. I was never a fan of Kathy Olivier and believe she consistently underperformed as coach. In comparison I believe that Cori Close has done a pretty good job. I'll be rooting for them this year except when they play Cal.


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PostPosted: 11/07/17 1:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Maybe they're not underperforming. Maybe they were just over-hyped.
Seriously, the UCLA senior class is very good, but they aren't such an overwhelmingly talented group as a whole that final fours were inevitable. A few other schools have equal or better or deeper talent.

So maybe the expectations and demands were just too high.

When considering coaching, I'd be more concerned about their frequently sloppy play than about their tournament finishes.


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When considering coaching, I'd be more concerned about their frequently sloppy play than about their tournament finishes.


UCLA's turnover margin and A/TO% were tops in the P12 last season. UCLA's turnover percentage last season (13.3) was 6th-best in the entire nation.


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PostPosted: 11/07/17 1:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

myrtle wrote:
Conway Gamecock wrote:
patsweetpat wrote:
NoDakSt wrote:
tOSU over Urbana 135-54. Five Buckeyes with 20 or more points lead by Mavunga with 27, Mitchell and Harper with 25


Urbana went 3-19 in its own conference last year. Why in the world would tOSU schedule that opponent? What could the Buckeyes possibly learn about themselves over the course of that game?


One could have the same question regarding USC's exhibition opponent Coker, who didn't do much better last season. But besides Coker being an in-state college, it's also coached by Gamecock Alum Shannon Johnson, who was also a teammate of Staley's on the 2004 US Olympic team. So there are some behind-the-scenes connections there.

Perhaps the same is true for Urbana, which is a Ohio-based university.....


Yeah, a lot of these are about connections. Stanford played UC SD because Tara's sister Heidi is the coach there. A lot of the games are just an opportunity to scrimmage against someone other than practice players and try out new offense/defense and get Freshman introduced to a new level of play.


Absolutely a lot of the exhibitions are about connections. Tennessee's yearly exhibition with D-II Carson-Newman, which is 12 miles up I-40, is just that. It started probably 10 years ago or so and now has become routine. C-N gets whipped but usually goes home smiling because they've learned something, Tennessee gets a chance to try out new plays and give the freshmen some exposure, and the fans get a look at the team. Some fans are actually fans of both teams.

In the case of JMU, it's mostly an open scrimmage giving the fans a look at the new players and how the team will work this year. (For those wondering what happens after Precious Hall it was a nice surprise....hello, Kelly!).



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PostPosted: 11/07/17 1:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

LitePal wrote:
Well, let's look at it this way. UCLA WILL lose more ballgames and even though polls rank them in the top 10, no one really believes they'll be there at the end of the season, so I guess they're not underachieving.

And regardless, a SS finish for a #1 class would be underachieving in any other program. And never a conference championship. Underachieving. Yes.


Okay. Currently UCLA women's basketball is-- as measured by basically any metric you'd like to cite-- on its best sustained run since 1978. I don't wanna tell other Bruin fans whether or not to be satisfied with that, so if you're dissatisfied, that's fine. It's absolutely your right. I, myself, am very happy with the state of the program, and with the culture that's been built within and around it. That's why I attend every home game, and it's why I personally donate thousands of dollars to the program each year. That's the choice I make, but other people can make different choices, and it's all good. Best to you, LitePal, and Go Bruins.


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And good luck to you Pat. As someone who lived through the Kathy Olivier years, I can tell you firsthand that moral victories get very shallow after a while. If the program is not intended or expected to win, why should the student body support the program?

I can almost guarantee one thing. If USC with Trakh surpasses UCLA this season and/or next, some very serious questions will be asked.


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Pitt loses to Indiana (PA)

http://iupathletics.com/news/2017/11/5/appleby-nets-20-points-iup-womens-basketball-defeats-pitt-73-68-in-final-exhibition.aspx



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pilight wrote:
Pitt loses to Indiana (PA)

http://iupathletics.com/news/2017/11/5/appleby-nets-20-points-iup-womens-basketball-defeats-pitt-73-68-in-final-exhibition.aspx


Ouch!



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PostPosted: 11/07/17 3:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

That's the same IUP team that Notre Dame destroyed last week, 104-40. Obviously, Pitt is in trouble. Could Suzie McConnell-Serio be in trouble as well?


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Maybe they're not underperforming. Maybe they were just over-hyped.
Seriously, the UCLA senior class is very good, but they aren't such an overwhelmingly talented group as a whole that final fours were inevitable. A few other schools have equal or better or deeper talent.

So maybe the expectations and demands were just too high.

When considering coaching, I'd be more concerned about their frequently sloppy play than about their tournament finishes.


If ESPN's Hoopgurlz is any credible measure, then UCLA is the most talented WCBB program in the nation. They had that one class, but they haven't been slouches in bringing in talent in any of the other cycles.

Currently UCLA has 10 former 5-star rated players per Hoopgurlz on their roster. All 10 were rated top 10 nationally at their respective positions. Six of those 10 were rated top 5. They also have a high 4-star Post in Rosenblum who was also rated 7th at her position in her class, making for a total of 11 players rated in the top 10 nationally at their positions, for this coming season.

6 of those players are either Srs, RS-Jrs, or Jrs. With that type of talent, they SHOULD be voted top of their conference, and they should win their conference going away. To only get a couple of Sweet Sixteens out of that talent is definitely underachieving, or Dan Olson is a hack.....


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PostPosted: 11/07/17 4:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

patsweetpat wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
When considering coaching, I'd be more concerned about their frequently sloppy play than about their tournament finishes.


UCLA's turnover margin and A/TO% were tops in the P12 last season. UCLA's turnover percentage last season (13.3) was 6th-best in the entire nation.


I wasn't basing that on stats nor was I using "sloppy" to refer only to turnovers.

Maybe I should have said "dumb" play, encompassing bad or forced shots, selfish shots, out of control play, out of position play, etc.

They just look pretty sloppy and undisciplined to me for stretches of play.

Yeah, it's just an "eyeball" test, but it's still more indicative to me of coaching than a simplistic measure of "they didn't advance far enough in the tournament". There's a million reasons for the later outcome, many of which have nothing to do with coaching.


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That's the same IUP team that Notre Dame destroyed last week, 104-40. Obviously, Pitt is in trouble. Could Suzie McConnell-Serio be in trouble as well?


You would think so, but she such a local institution, and who could they hire who would be better?

It's seems she has really fallen on her face recruiting.

Maybe the fix should start by making her stop hiring her family and get some new assistants and staff committed to recruiting.

Or maybe it's just a Pennsylvania thing, considering that PSU lost their exhbition too.


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If ESPN's Hoopgurlz is any credible measure, then UCLA is the most talented WCBB program in the nation. They had that one class, but they haven't been slouches in bringing in talent in any of the other cycles.

Currently UCLA has 10 former 5-star rated players per Hoopgurlz on their roster. All 10 were rated top 10 nationally at their respective positions. Six of those 10 were rated top 5. They also have a high 4-star Post in Rosenblum who was also rated 7th at her position in her class, making for a total of 11 players rated in the top 10 nationally at their positions, for this coming season.

6 of those players are either Srs, RS-Jrs, or Jrs. With that type of talent, they SHOULD be voted top of their conference, and they should win their conference going away. To only get a couple of Sweet Sixteens out of that talent is definitely underachieving, or Dan Olson is a hack.....


No doubt UCLA has a lot of talent and depth this season. It's gonna be a very exciting year in Westwood, and they've got the opportunity to do some very special things, and to build on what has already been the best sustained run in UCLA womens' basketball history since the 1970s.


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If you're also talking continued success, clearly Billie Moore had more of it than Close. Caldwell Fargas had a superior w/l record, even if you simply count the last three seasons of Close with her #1 class. Close's finishes in the Pac: T5, 3, 8, 6, T3, 4. Fargas: T4, 2, 2. Tournament: Close 2015: Quarter, 2016 Championship Game 2017: Semi. Fargas: 2010 Championship Game 2011 Championship Game

Jordin Canada and Monique Billings may sadly come out of this with no AA titles to their credit.


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ArtBest23 wrote:
patsweetpat wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
When considering coaching, I'd be more concerned about their frequently sloppy play than about their tournament finishes.


UCLA's turnover margin and A/TO% were tops in the P12 last season. UCLA's turnover percentage last season (13.3) was 6th-best in the entire nation.


I wasn't basing that on stats nor was I using "sloppy" to refer only to turnovers.


Well, I hope you weren't using "sloppy" to refer *at all* to turnovers, as the statistics directly refute you.

But it appears that you're using "sloppy" to refer to things that cannot be statistically measured, which I guess makes your assertion simultaneously irrefutable and unconfirmable.


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Which of course is why I said I would be more concerned about their frequently sloppy play. That's my opinion.

You of course are free to have a different view and to consider them the most orderly, planned, disciplined team in the nation if you wish. Personally I don't see any evidence of that, but of course, as you say, such a proposition would "simultaneously irrefutable and unconfirmable."


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If you're also talking continued success, clearly Billie Moore had more of it than Close.


Billie Moore is a legend, but I was talking about continued success in the NCAA era. Moore coached UCLA for 11 seasons of NCAA basketball (between '82-'83 and '92-'93) and in those 11 seasons, UCLA went to the NCAA tournament a total of 4 times, featuring two appearances in the Sweet 16, and two outs in the 1st round. I'm guessing that would not be satisfactory to you today.

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Caldwell Fargas had a superior w/l record, even if you simply count the last three seasons of Close with her #1 class.


That's true. Wanna bet whether or not that ends up being the case when this season is completed and we can compare Caldwell's 3-year W/L record to UCLA's record in the 3 seasons spanning 2015-16 to 2017-18?

In any event, this remains the case: before this current run, UCLA had sent a women's basketball team to the NCAA Sweet 16 exactly three times in the program's entire history. If the Bruins should happen to make it to the Sweet 16 this current season (and, again, care to bet on that?), then this current team will have matched-- in 3 consecutive seasons-- what the UCLA women's basketball program had done in its entire NCAA tournament history, combined. I just can't find it in myself to mull that fact and conclude that the coach needs to be fired.


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You of course are free to have a different view and to consider them the most orderly, planned, disciplined team in the nation if you wish."


Please cite specifically where I called them that. I can't seem to find it.


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You of course are free to have a different view and to consider them the most orderly, planned, disciplined team in the nation if you wish."


Please cite specifically where I called them that. I can't seem to find it.


Did I say you did? I said you're free to view them that way if you choose. You certainly didn't seem to like my characterization.


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There are some teams that seem to play less organized and more of a flow offense (which in the extreme becomes 'street ball'). IMO UCLA is definitely more toward the flow end...which works reasonably well when you have at least two really good players who can make it work. At the other end of the spectrum is a Green Bay or Marist, whose success is thru extreme organization because they don't have the tip top athletes. Stanford is also toward the organized end of the spectrum. From my perspective as long as it works, it's not really a knock on a team. I do think that with the level of athletes involved both UCLA and Cal have under-achieved over a period of years, and some of that inevitably devolves onto the coach. Of course everyone has their own idea of under-achieving - my own is admittedly totally subjective. JMO



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ArtBest23 wrote:
patsweetpat wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
You of course are free to have a different view and to consider them the most orderly, planned, disciplined team in the nation if you wish."


Please cite specifically where I called them that. I can't seem to find it.


Did I say you did? I said you're free to view them that way if you choose. You certainly didn't seem to like my characterization.


Fair enough. And apologies for an unnecessarily snippy and sarcastic response. Definitely a bad habit of mine. Lemme tone myself down about a half shade and posit that there's a big space between "frequently sloppy play" and "the most orderly, planned, disciplined team in the nation." In my opinion, UCLA resides somewhere within that space.


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Tenn 121, Carson-Newman 76

Freshman look great, need some work on defense, but scored 76 of those points, and the team finally has some decent point guards. Westbrook and Davis are the real deal, Hayes is a speed demon, and KK played better than expected. Green is out with some minor injury so we didn't get to see her.


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Tenn 121, Carson-Newman 76

Freshman look great, need some work on defense, but scored 76 of those points, and the team finally has some decent point guards. Westbrook and Davis are the real deal, Hayes is a speed demon, and KK played better than expected. Green is out with some minor injury so we didn't get to see her.



Watching the game, Westbrook is my favorite. great size Combo Guard can play the 1 and 2. Very smooth jumper, she's gonna be a star. That Hayes/Westbrook combo is gonna be dangerous for years to come, thanks to Hayes speed to created easy baskets.


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LibFan25 wrote:
FrozenLVFan wrote:
Tenn 121, Carson-Newman 76

Freshman look great, need some work on defense, but scored 76 of those points, and the team finally has some decent point guards. Westbrook and Davis are the real deal, Hayes is a speed demon, and KK played better than expected. Green is out with some minor injury so we didn't get to see her.



Watching the game, Westbrook is my favorite. great size Combo Guard can play the 1 and 2. Very smooth jumper, she's gonna be a star. That Hayes/Westbrook combo is gonna be dangerous for years to come, thanks to Hayes speed to created easy baskets.


Wheres the game available to watch ? I could not find on UTsports.com just the postgame .



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WNBA 09 wrote:
LibFan25 wrote:
FrozenLVFan wrote:
Tenn 121, Carson-Newman 76

Freshman look great, need some work on defense, but scored 76 of those points, and the team finally has some decent point guards. Westbrook and Davis are the real deal, Hayes is a speed demon, and KK played better than expected. Green is out with some minor injury so we didn't get to see her.



Watching the game, Westbrook is my favorite. great size Combo Guard can play the 1 and 2. Very smooth jumper, she's gonna be a star. That Hayes/Westbrook combo is gonna be dangerous for years to come, thanks to Hayes speed to created easy baskets.


Wheres the game available to watch ? I could not find on UTsports.com just the postgame .


Replay is on ESPN3


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WNBA 09 wrote:
LibFan25 wrote:
FrozenLVFan wrote:
Tenn 121, Carson-Newman 76

Freshman look great, need some work on defense, but scored 76 of those points, and the team finally has some decent point guards. Westbrook and Davis are the real deal, Hayes is a speed demon, and KK played better than expected. Green is out with some minor injury so we didn't get to see her.



Watching the game, Westbrook is my favorite. great size Combo Guard can play the 1 and 2. Very smooth jumper, she's gonna be a star. That Hayes/Westbrook combo is gonna be dangerous for years to come, thanks to Hayes speed to created easy baskets.


Wheres the game available to watch ? I could not find on UTsports.com just the postgame .



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