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PostPosted: 10/09/17 8:59 pm    ::: Donna Karan Defends Weinstein; Anthony Bourdain Responds Reply Reply with quote



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'Yes, I think he's being looked at right now as a symbol, not necessarily as him. I know his wife, I think they're wonderful people, Harvey has done some amazing things. I think we have to look at our world and what we want to say and how we want to say it as well.'

The 69-year-old went on to say that the issue at hand is not solely Weinstein's fault.

'You look at everything all over the world today and how women are dressing and what they are asking by just presenting themselves the way they do. What are they asking for? Trouble,' she said.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4964380/Donna-Karan-defends-Harvey-Weinstein-blames-victims.html




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Waxman alleges in the Wrap that Matt Damon and Russell Crowe called her “directly” to dispel the reports she was following about Miramax’s Italian head Fabrizio Lombardo, who was allegedly hired “to take care of Weinstein’s women needs.” She says that because of their influence, and interference from Weinstein, whose company was a big advertiser in the Times, the article was edited to remove the more salacious details. Damon and Crowe had previously worked with Weinstein on pictures like Good Will Hunting, Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World, and Cinderella Man.

Waxman claims that the gutted story could have exposed Weinstein much earlier. “I had people on the record telling me Lombardo knew nothing about film, and others citing evenings he organized with Russian escorts,” Waxman said. She also alleges that she tracked down an intern in London who had been paid off in a settlement with Weinstein. “I was devastated after traveling to two countries and overcoming immense challenges to confirm at least part of the story that wound up running last week, more than a decade later,” she writes.


http://www.vulture.com/2017/10/damon-crowe-reportedly-helped-kill-nyt-weinstein-article.html



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The 69-year-old went on to say that the issue at hand is not solely Weinstein's fault.

'You look at everything all over the world today and how women are dressing and what they are asking by just presenting themselves the way they do. What are they asking for? Trouble,' she said.


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This is just the tip of the iceberg.

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I heard the full Donna Karan comments. They're actually even worse than the partial bit I originally heard, if that's possible. She says they were "taken out of context". Actually, the more you hear, the worse it gets.

I thought this whole "she dressed like she was asking for it" thing went out of style a couple decades ago. Not to mention that she got rich promoting just that kind of look.

I'll just have to guess that during one of her obviously many plastic surgeries, the scalpel slipped and severed the nerve pathway between her brain and her mouth.


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This whole thing with Harvey Weinstein is giving me PTSD. Why? Because this kind of thing happened to ME…” Crews tweeted Tuesday. “My wife n I were at a Hollywood function last year n a high level Hollywood executive came over 2 me and groped my privates.”

Crews continued, “Jumping back I said What are you doing?! My wife saw everything n we looked at him like he was crazy. He just grinned like a jerk.”

The “Expendables” star said he didn’t “kick his ass” because he thought of how the media would spin the story.

“’240 lbs. Black Man stomps out Hollywood Honcho’ would be the headline the next day,” Crews shared, adding that he wouldn’t have been able to read it because he “would have been in jail.” Instead, he and his wife left the party.

Crews says he talked to other people who had worked with the unnamed executive, and the next day the power player apologized to Crews but “never really explained why he did what he did.” Crews said he didn’t go public with his experience because he didn’t want to be “ostracized” from the business, which he described as something that would be “par 4 the course when the predator has power n influence.”

“I let it go. And I understand why many women who this happens to let it go,” he tweeted. “Who’s going 2 believe you? ( few) What r the repercussions?(many) Do u want 2 work again? (Yes) R you prepared 2b ostracized?(No).”


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Asia Argento, an Italian film actress and director, told me that she did not speak out until now––Weinstein, she told me, forcibly performed oral sex on her—because she feared that Weinstein would “crush” her. “I know he has crushed a lot of people before,” Argento said. “That’s why this story—in my case, it’s twenty years old, some of them are older—has never come out.”


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Three women––among them Argento and a former aspiring actress named Lucia Evans—told me that Weinstein raped them, allegations that include Weinstein forcibly performing or receiving oral sex and forcing vaginal sex. Four women said that they experienced unwanted touching that could be classified as an assault. In an audio recording captured during a New York Police Department sting operation in 2015 and made public here for the first time, Weinstein admits to groping a Filipina-Italian model named Ambra Battilana Gutierrez, describing it as behavior he is “used to.” Four of the women I interviewed cited encounters in which Weinstein exposed himself or masturbated in front of them.


https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/from-aggressive-overtures-to-sexual-assault-harvey-weinsteins-accusers-tell-their-stories/amp



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Didn't Malia intern for this monster? NYPD had a whole operation on this man in 2015. So not sure why this didn't come up in the Obama's circle.




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"I have chosen to leave my husband," Georgina Chapman announced in a statement to People ...citing the horrible sexual harassment and assault allegations against her husband.

"My heart breaks for all the women who have suffered tremendous pain because of these unforgivable actions."

41-year-old Chapman -- co-founder and designer of the Marchesa high-end clothing line -- has been married to Harvey since 2007. They have two young children together.

"Caring for my young children is my first priority and I ask the media for privacy at this time."

Harvey had previously told the media he believed Georgina stood by him "100%."


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Crews said he didn’t go public with his experience because he didn’t want to be “ostracized” from the business...”

“I let it go. Do u want 2 work again? (Yes) R you prepared 2b ostracized?(No).”


This really is another of the many 'California's Secrets' I rant about. Harvey Weinstein's most egregious behaviors are only the tip of the iceberg is now, finally, a truth being said out loud. And that goes for the degree of outrageousness of Weinstein's behavior. It doesn't have to be trapping women, exposing yourself, or even making demands of women. Or men.

Here is a slice from a comment on the NYTimes' Lena Dunham piece.

The Hollywood studio system is an incredible machine for building economic power structures by entrenching potentates in positions to exploit all comers.

- smokepainter

The key points of this simple but oh-so-true statement are 'incredible' and 'all comers.' IMO anyway.

Incredible because it is the case that, as I may have said here in another thread, the career/sex quid pro quo is the coin-of-the-realm in Hollywood. (Jeez, I can actually say this.) Literally. Just think about that. How large and lucrative and glamorous and desirable a successful Hollywood career is. And that there exists within various stages of these careers a transactional relationship between the men who hold the power to make careers happen and the most beautiful young people in the world. (The vast majority who you will never see nor hear of)

So is that not incredible? That there exists in one of the most modern crown jewel cities in the most liberal stronghold of a state in at least one of the countries in this world with the strongest workplace protections around these many unacceptable situations an industry, the largest and richest in the region, wherein the coin-of-the-realm is still a sex/career advancement quid pro quo involving the young, beautiful, and ambitous, and the grizzled and horny men who control everything?

When I write stuff here that is trying to scratch the surface in these areas and plant seeds etc. I feel nothing more from this group than the vibe that I'm nuts. I'm making it all up, etc. I'm telling you that it all looks so much different when you've spent most of your pretty long life amongst all of this. The scope of behaviors that exist within these cultures out here is unbelievable. And anyone who starts the processes of telling the many tales is going to be faced with a push back that calls into question the reality of what is being said.

Anyway, I'll tell you an anecdote at the end here in a second.

All comers? Yes. Of fucking course. So let's start with this. For most people coming to this area in pursuit of their show business dreams there is a very quick realization that this is an extremely expensive place to even live, pay rent and eat. So whatever desires they have to make it in Hollywood quickly become a full-blown desperation to make it in Hollywood.

And it's important to acknowledge, at some point I think, that so many beautiful young people have essentially no bottom line in terms of what they will do to make in this business. And some are working that aspect from the moment they arrive here. That's another story and I'll get there.

I don't want to use the word 'everyone' and be seen as overstating something due to a too-literal reading of this, but most everyone in Hollywood encounters on every level men who are able to open career doors and opportunities for a little taste of the goods. The decisions are made by those who either want to slide into those opportunities at that time or walk away, and most likely begin the process of the inevitable walking away entirely from the dream of making it in Hollywood.

But what evidence of all of this sprouts forth so rarely into public view? The quotes above of the actor who was fondled in front of his wife. Look at them hard. They represent a transaction. I was fondled. I will not pursue the matter legally in any way. I want to continue on, sirs. In my career. Okay, now he's an actual star. Now Harvey Weinstein's outing has opened a door. (we'll see how wide and for how long) And so I'll tell my story to the public. No doubt this is brave, but what does it tell anyone who is willing to do a little forensic analysis and some super low-level but practical math in their heads about what the realities must be in Hollywood? It's that every form of sexual interaction imaginable, at every career stage and level of the entertainment field, is a quantified factor that must be dealt with, weighed, accepted, rejected, navigated around, etc. in order to make it in this town.

Today, a lot of the conversation turned to things that I have been hoping to hear. There was talk of how widespread this was throughout Hollywood. So check that box. But also there was a considerable bit of touching on the illegality of some of the things that have been going on. I would say for almost a hundred years... but let's just keep things current for now.

But that I don't quite hear anyone talking about, now or ever, is where has local state and federal law enforcement been over the many decades. I mean, there is a place in America, and this is it, where huge industries dominate the economic landscape, and within those industries people are behaving any way they damn well want to in the workplace, even in ways that are illegal, that prey upon the hopes and dreams of creative talented people, especially women, and nobody has lifted a finger to stop it for over half a century if not more.

Law enforcement. Shocked I'm not going to ask, as an Angelino, Where are they? I already know. But people outside of all of this SHOULD I would hope eventually get around to the question of who the fuck is supposed to be enforcing laws against sexual predation in the workplace.

I just read of a town out there in deep flyover country (not acting alone mind you) that recently engineered a series of arrests for human trafficking. Wow, I said before reading the article. Human trafficking? There? And then, yeah, I remember a case of someone importing workers from south of the border and basically holding them against their will on a farm I think. Anyway. I won't say where or anything like that but it's fairly recent. The list of law enforcement agencies that participated in this sting operation was very long and went all the way up to the state level. Locals. County prosecutor's office. States attorney general and state police, etc. Longer list even than that. The small town, however, didn't have a problem with human trafficking. And it doesn't seem even to have had one of prostitution that would indicate such a large response by law enforcement.

So here's what they did. They placed personals from non-existent ADULT women offering sex. Men from around the region, responded and were arrested when they showed up looking for some action. And after they got 20-30 of them the many agencies held a big press conference and announced they'd made a major bust in a human trafficking case.

So why am I bringing this up? Essentially to show how desperate law enforcement is in other parts of this country to impose themselves on the processes of adults seeking a sexual quid pro quo with women. In this case it was little people. Hadn't been soliciting anyone. Never got close to committing that crime actually. Probably why they came up with the human trafficking charges.

Anyway, now I'm off on a tangent but this was, IMO, an egregious action taken by law enforcement. Far too aggressive effort for what appears to have not been much of a reason at all. These suspects were rooted out of their homes, probably every action they took awakened by the ads themselves.

So where is law enforcement in an industry that everyone here knows operates with sexual favors being a part of the make or break realities of careers?

The issue here isn't so much guys dangling their junk in front of women, like Harvey did. But guys dangling movie and television business success and riches and fame in front of women, which is something Harvey also did. And he certainly is just the tip of the iceberg. A writer/producer was on CNN this evening and said that even after her encounter with Harvey, who offered her a 3-picture deal if she would only watch him masturbate, that she basically pulled back from the business because she didn't want to be made to feel like a hooker every single day.

Key points there. Hooker. And every single day. A provider of sexual favors for money. Every single day. What the hell? Yeah.

So when I talk about California. How big and how rich it is, and all of what that means, this is just one of those things. Actually two. The entertainment industry and all the things that go on within that industry that are just now starting to make their way into the ears and eyes of the public. And the second thing is the complete lack of any response, EVER, from law enforcement. Sure, the women themselves were and naturally would have been loath to pick up a phone and call 9/11 to report that Harvey Weinstein had just masturbated in front of them. Careers would have ended. Many did anyway just for refusing. The industries famously vicious legal response would have kicked in and sought to crush not only the allegations, but would have made clear that the person bringing the allegation would also find themselves in dire dire straights legally and financially. Counter-suits and threats of even possible criminal charges were not unheard of in the push back of the industry in protecting itself.

But still, the law is the law. It should send chills that in one of the largest and most modern cities in the world, right here in the US, all of this could be happening for basically the entire history of the entertainment industry with little or no efforts by law enforcement to investigate what everyone knows and knew what was occurring in the suites of power as well as off-campus.

So here's another personal anecdote. Probably circa 1990. Living in an apartment building in West Hollywood. If mrs jammer hadn't move to LA yet she was almost there. A girl moved next door to me. Alone. As I remember her, she looked exactly like this person, the actress from Midnight in Paris.



She said that she had just signed a contract as a model for... insert a giant house hold name media conglomerate here. They are still giant and own little things like legendary iconic movie studios.

Not long after she moved in I heard the unmistakable sounds of sex being had not by me nextdoor. I should point out that I was deathly sick at this moment in my life. The beginning of 30 years of on-and-off again horrors that ended with me having my colon removed. So it wasn't like I was in line for some of that myself. But it certainly was a reminder of everything that I was missing in my life being as sick and close to death (and I was) even if that didn't include banging big-time contract model.

So her front door opened to an area where my couch faced. And after a couple hours a guy came out and left. It blew my mind. I was expecting another actor model type. Oh no. I'll put it too you this way. For all these years I thought that it might have been Harvey Weinstein. It's only in the last few days that I've checked Harvey's height against on red carpet shots and shit and can see he's not a tall man. This guy was well over six feet. Probably 6'3". So it wasn't Harvey. But he was a large, overweight, very unattractive dude. Probably in his late 30s. Gross. Who she was and who he was is something that, IMO, only comes together in a sexual union based on a sex/career quid pro quo. A call girl? That's common and possible but she WAS a model for --------. That was confirmed to me later. So she wasn't a call girl. This was not her dream guy. Not in LA and not this goddess like person. There was no date. He was dressed like a bum. He had an arrogance to his demeanor that was Harvey Weinsein-like.

But I had only been in LA four or five years or so. I had seen a lot of stunners with extremely underwhelming guys. But I never had to listen to them gettin' it on. lol. Fuck. Anyway.

I wrote a comment on the Lena Dunham piece that said that what needs to happen now is a sea of women, from Oscar winners to girls who abandoned their careers after six months of this shit, to come forward if they were ever faced or offered, either overtly or with a wink, some role, representation, some other advancement of their career in the entertainment industry, to just come forward and say, Me, too. I don't know how many women will do that. But I know that the number of women who COULD would be in the hundreds of thousands. Hundreds of thousands. Shocked

So I think Mira Sorvino and Angelina Jolie both have Oscars. And Bob's your uncle they were out there today letting the world know that Harvey had done some shit to them. That's just Harvey. This reaches so far beyond one guy. But that's a great start. When I typed that shit, I thought, jammer, really? Oscar winners? But there we have it. Anyway.


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But come, Ben Affleck's own BROTHER is the target of tons of allegations and that threatened to derail his big year last year. Everyone heard them. But what happened? He won. So Ben, come on. Jesus. Rolling Eyes


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“Whenever [Weinstein] would come up in conversation, there was always this ‘ick’ or ‘ugh’ [reaction].” — Ryan Murphy, “American Horror Story”

“He’s one schmuck who did what he did… It’s not just our community — this is happening in every workplace in America. It’s disgusting. We have to create a safe atmosphere where women are able to tell their stories.” — Rob Reiner

“To be clear what Harvey Weinstein did was a disgusting abuse of power and horrible. I hope we are now seeing the beginning of the end of these abuses.” — Mark Ruffalo

“Easy to think Weinstein company took swift action but this has actually been the slowest action because they always always knew.” — Lena Dunham

“The “old dinosaur” explanation doesn’t cut it. DECADES of using power to intimidate women for sexual gain is reprehensible and inexcusable.” — Emmy Rossum

“I’m sick of the media demanding only women speak up. What about the men? Perhaps many are afraid to look at their own behavior.” — Jessica Chastain

“H Weinstein -yikes! Disgusting and creepy. So is ‘leader of the free world’ btw.” — Michael Keaton

“The disgraceful news about Harvey Weinstein has appalled those of us whose work he championed, and those whose good and worthy causes he supported… The behavior is inexcusable, but the abuse of power familiar. — Meryl Streep

“As always, I stand with the brave survivors of sexual assault and harassment. It's not your fault. I believe you.” — Brie Larson

"We must believe women who, often at great risk, expose harassment. Those who spoke out about Harvey Weinstein have shown real courage." — Beau Willimon, "House of Cards" creator

“I had hoped that these kind of stories were just made up rumors, maybe we have all been naïve. And it makes me so angry. There must be ‘no tolerance’ of this degrading, vile treatment of women in ANY workplace anywhere in the world.” — Kate Winslet

"I’m sitting here, deeply upset, acknowledging to myself that, yes, for many years, I have been aware of the vague rumors that Harvey Weinstein had a pattern of behaving inappropriately around women. Harvey has always been decent to me, but now that the rumors are being substantiated, I feel angry and darkly sad.” — Glenn Close

“It’s indefensible. That’s the only word you can start with. Harvey’s admitted to it, and it’s indefensible. I’ve known Harvey for 20 years. He gave me my first big break as an actor in films on 'From Dusk Till Dawn,' he gave me my first big break as a director with 'Confessions of a Dangerous Mind.' We’ve had dinners, we’ve been on location together, we’ve had arguments. But I can tell you that I’ve never seen any of this behavior—ever.” — George Clooney

"I'm as appalled and repulsed by the Weinstein news as anyone with a beating heart. And forever in awe of the bravery of those who spoke out." — Lin-Manuel Miranda

Susan Sarandon: 'Huge respect for Ashley Judd and all the women who broke their silence for the article on Harvey Weinstein. Brave.'

Julianne Moore: 'Coming forward about sexual abuse and coercion is scary and women have nothing to be gained personally by doing so. But through their bravery we move forward as a culture, and I thank them. Stand with Ashley Judd, Rose McGowan and others.'

Jessica Chastain:'I was warned from the beginning. The stories were everywhere. To deny that is to create an environment for it to happen again.'

Jeff Bridges: 'I wish him the best struggling with his demons, but his behavior was terrible. And I wish him - just as being a fellow human being - we are all struggling with different things. And he can struggle with his and come out the other side.'

Kevin Smith: 'He financed the first 14 years of my career - and now I know while I was profiting, others were in terrible pain. It makes me feel ashamed.'

Paul Feig: 'There is no excuse for monsters like Harvey Weinstein. It's up to all of us, men and women, to speak up against sexual harassment and abuse.'

Michael Keaton: 'H Weinstein - yikes! Disgusting and creepy. So is "leader of the free world", by the way.'

Emmy Rossum: 'The "old dinosaur" explanation doesn't cut it. Decades of using power to intimidate women for sexual gain is reprehensible and inexcusable.'

Heather Graham: 'Women speak out about sexual harassment and Harvey Weinstein gets fired. This is the best and most inspiring news story I have seen in a while.'

Judd Apatow: 'What Harvey Weinstein did was abhorrent. He admits he did it. Why should anyone be silent in their disgust and support for his victims?'

Amber Tamblyn: 'Heed the mantra and never forget: Women. Have. Nothing. To. Gain. And. Everything. To. Lose. By. Coming. Forward.'

Scott Derrickson: 'I expect the Hollywood elite will remain largely silent about Weinstein. Me, I give zero f***s about any repercussions for condemning him.'

Brooklyn Decker: 'We condemn "grab them by the p***y" and we condone this.'

Patricia Arquette: 'If there is a way to cure yourself of being a predator than I hope Harvey learns what it is & shares it with the world. It's an epidemic.'

Ryan Murphy: 'In this society, most women have a Harvey Weinstein in their life. There is always a minefield you navigate when you're a woman and go through the system of Hollywood. Sometimes you are lucky enough to have champions or people who aren't interested in taking advantage of you, and sometimes you do not. I know my way around an Oscar-winning lady or two, and whenever he would come up in conversation, there was always this "ick" or "ugh" type of reaction. All of the women I spoke to would say that. All of them. I wondered what was up with that.'

Sean Astin dragged him all over FB:

HARVEY WEINSTEIN - - My view

Beyond treating women in a vile, possibly criminal manner, I believe that Harvey Weinstein is a vicious bully who uses rage and the threat of rage to intimidate many many people. I’ve experienced some of his disrespectful (at best) behavior, with my own eyes and spoken to friends and colleagues who came into contact with the man. It is known that Harvey routinely eviscerates filmmakers, producers, agents and performers. Ranting and raving is the guy’s steady state. I think that he is a mean thug with a vindictive and menacing approach to anyone who gets in his way. Such is his reputation.

Rape and sexual perversion, sexual menacing, sexual intimidation are disgusting and where criminal, deserving of prosecution. The thought of Harvey Weinstein behind bars is deeply satisfying, if not fully enlightened.

Everyone is asking how it’s possible that his behavior was allowed to endure for so long. The suggestion is that somehow, women and girls who were subjected to Harvey’s grotesque behavior are in some way complicit. Low hanging media fruit is to attack politicians for accepting donations and other fundraising help from the legendary industry predator.

It’s a pervasive culture. That’s the cry. Everyone says, it’s time for the conversation to start. That ol’ chestnut. The basic themes and salacious reporting usually turn back in on itself and the so called conversation stalls. We all revere successful businessmen. So called “powerbrokers” are lifted up in many ways, financially, socially, politically, personally. All manner of bad behavior is tolerated as long as the hits keep coming, as long as business thrives.

The women who’ve been abused and the women who have spoken out should be celebrated for their courage. I also think that every single person who was bullied and abused in business by Harvey Weinstein should also speak out.

If the story starts and stops with Harvey’s sexual abuses and doesn’t expand to include the heinous behavior that he visited on women and men, in countless ways, throughout the entertainment industry, the full story will not have been told and the opportunity to change the culture will have been left wanting.

This is my hunch, my instinct and my intuition, informed by working for a few decades in the industry, a few direct experiences with him and many many more stories that were very close to me. Harvey was one of the Executive Producers of Lord of the Rings. A couple of years ago, Harvey behaved in an aggressive, insulting and basically rude manner with me on a call. He wanted something from me. I listened politely. I spoke respectfully. And I told him no.

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Some of these people can STFU... When you are in certain circles EVERYBODY knows what goes on. He's done this for years and nobody said anything until it really got serious.



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Some of these people can STFU... When you are in certain circles EVERYBODY knows what goes on. He's done this for years and nobody said anything until it really got serious.

In a perfect world, there would be belief and there would be support. But I have a hard time condemning people (with the exception of those in power at TWC, or anyone who actively facilitated or covered up his actions) for not speaking up. The reality is that HW was a powerful, powerful man in Hollywood. Going up against him, no matter who you were, meant risking your livelihood in an industry that people disappear from every day without note. While I would have undying respect for anyone who risked it all to take a stand, in reality if anyone did we would likely never have known until way too late for them. They would just be another actor or actress that never really worked again. Taking a stand is admirable, but it's hard to fault people for not jumping in front of that bullet.

That being said, we need to own this shit as a society. We need to stop making it so damn easy for people in power to quash these sorts of stories, to no longer allow the people who do speak up to be swept under the rug and have their lives destroyed. Expecting the people they have direct or indirect power over to be the ones to stop them is a losing battle. The only real option is for everyone to stop enabling it though victim blaming and ignoring it when it is inconvenient (Bill Clinton and Donald Trump apologists, I'm looking at you).



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PostPosted: 10/11/17 12:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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In a perfect world, there would be belief and there would be support.


In a perfect world none of this would have happened



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pilight wrote:
justintyme wrote:

In a perfect world, there would be belief and there would be support.


In a perfect world none of this would have happened

There is that.



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Ryan Murphy has a lot of nerve...



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Genero36 wrote:
Some of these people can STFU... When you are in certain circles EVERYBODY knows what goes on. He's done this for years and nobody said anything until it really got serious.


It's not just that, although there certainly is that. The comments themselves are, to borrow two of Hollywood's most oft-heard talking points from all this, disgusting and, in the context of this moment, reprehensible. Because these comments are still over and over again, largely careful, fearful, and STILL transactional!

You have to be able to sniff all that out in their statements as these celebs 'speak out against' what Harvey Weinstein did.

Let me take just a few of these.

"It’s not just our community — this is happening in every workplace in America. It’s disgusting. We have to create a safe atmosphere where women are able to tell their stories.” — Rob Reiner

Sonovagun. Rob Reiner. Sort of the paragon of progressiveness in Hollywood. Says it's not just OUR community, America.

“I’m sick of the media demanding only women speak up. What about the men? Perhaps many are afraid to look at their own behavior.” — Jessica Chastain

I don't think this is actually a bad sentiment to be expressing at this time but here's the thing. The men of Hollywood are not going to fix this. Why should they? At best they are going to isolate the problem, Harvey himself, and declare victory and go right back to operating as they did before but maybe with a more subtle approach. This has certainly rattled their cages, but they're still apes and will continue to behave as such.

Women in the industry will have to lead this fight and they will have to do it by telling their stories and do so in numbers (which they have, believe me) that will overwhelm the industry's public response and by demanding the change they want.

There's SO many great ideas that could shut this behavior down cold that pop into my head, I can't imagine that we're going to come out of this without some major fixes in place. But then, sigh, I read some more of these weak and carefully worded comments.

“H Weinstein -yikes! Disgusting and creepy. So is ‘leader of the free world’ btw.” — Michael Keaton

Homeboy. Just SMH. That career resurgence is some powerful shit though.

“The disgraceful news about Harvey Weinstein has appalled those of us whose work he championed, and those whose good and worthy causes he supported… The behavior is inexcusable, but the abuse of power familiar. — Meryl Streep

Raise your hand if you truly believe that Meryl Streep didn't know about Harvey Weinstein. Shocked Even 30 Rock did bits on him. I turned down intercourse with Harvey Weinstein three out of five times! And at an Oscars ceremony when Seth McFarland quipped after announcing the five nominees for best supporting actress, "You five women no longer have to pretend to find Harvey Weinstein attractive."

Three of her fellow Oscar winners, at this point, have described incidents with Harvey that happened ages ago. Deal with it people. Meryl Streep knew. She's walked through her life with such an air of self-righteousness. She's perfect! She's Meryl Streep, by God!

“I had hoped that these kind of stories were just made up rumors, maybe we have all been naïve. And it makes me so angry. There must be ‘no tolerance’ of this degrading, vile treatment of women in ANY workplace anywhere in the world.” — Kate Winslet

Now that's reprehensible. She'd hoped these were just made up rumors. lol. Translation: I'd always assumed that women were making this shit up and I didn't believe them! What she should be saying is something like. We all knew. But from the beginning of we all know that these kinds of situations and behaviors goes with the territory. Hopefully now we can begin to change that as an industry. But THAT would be career suicide. So she takes the deal and continues to plead ignorance.

“It’s indefensible. That’s the only word you can start with. Harvey’s admitted to it, and it’s indefensible. I’ve known Harvey for 20 years. He gave me my first big break as an actor in films on 'From Dusk Till Dawn,' he gave me my first big break as a director with 'Confessions of a Dangerous Mind.' We’ve had dinners, we’ve been on location together, we’ve had arguments. But I can tell you that I’ve never seen any of this behavior—ever.” — George Clooney

Another super progressive revealed. Harvey's admitted to it. Wow. What a standup guy Harvey is. I've never seen any of this behavior. I thought George Clooney was good friends, at some point, with Brad Pitt. Didn't George know of Brad Pitt confronting Harvey decades ago over his sleazy come on's with Pitt's then girlfriend G. Paltrow?

Oh. Have any of these people here used the word 'sleaze' or 'sleazy' even once? Cough, choke, indefensible. There I said it, now leave me alone.

Jeff Bridges: 'I wish him the best struggling with his demons, but his behavior was terrible. And I wish him - just as being a fellow human being - we are all struggling with different things. And he can struggle with his and come out the other side.'

Dude. Shocked 'I wish him the best?' We are all Harvey Weinstein!

Judd Apatow: 'What Harvey Weinstein did was abhorrent. He admits he did it. Why should anyone be silent in their disgust and support for his victims?'

Again with the Harvey admits it shit. So why SHOULD anyone be silent now? Hmm. Something to ponder I guess. From on high.

One last thought of my own. People aren't speaking this way because they are afraid of Harvey Weinstein. Some of them actually aren't afraid of anything and aren't motivated to speak in the careful tones they are out of fear. But those who are afraid, and that would be most, who are taking their cues on tone and basically repeating what now sounds like talking points, are afraid of the industry. The industry is circling the wagons, has set the parameters of what can be said, and is keeping score of who is with it and who is not during this troubling crisis.

Isolate the perpetrator and the behavior. Humanize him in his struggles. Be careful what you say. We're watching.


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PostPosted: 10/11/17 8:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I enjoy it when Genero gets fired up. Smile

FWIW I totally agree with Rob Reiner.
I don't see it as a deflection that "it's not just us, ok. Take the focus off us!"
It *is* happening in workplaces everywhere, and change needs to happen everywhere, not just where there is some uber-rich, powerful, untouchable guy. It needs to happen from the ground up. But of course something high-profile like this can help that to happen by hopefully chipping away at the fear that prevents people from speaking up.
I do think there are a lot of guys complicit in this though. I get the potential to have your career harmed, but there are people who knew who could never work again and still live 10 lifetimes worth of lavish life. I don't know what excuse they have for enabling with their silence.



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PostPosted: 10/11/17 8:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Luuuc wrote:
I enjoy it when Genero gets fired up. Smile


The chickens are coming home to roost.




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PostPosted: 10/11/17 8:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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WTF is this?

Like, 20 years later he apologizes. He can stick it up his ass.



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