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PostPosted: 02/06/18 10:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

You think they're getting the #4 pick in a draft class people like for an RFA where it's questionable if they'd even match a straight offer sheet?



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Considering how you feel about Megdal, I’m a little surprised you have so much faith in his numbers. I don’t understand why younger players would make more than the senior players. But assuming these numbers are somewhere in the ballpark, there’s no guarantee that Howard will need max to be kept. I think you’re saying they would have $179K to pay Kizer and a rotation guard if they went with 11. So what’s the problem?


I have presented math. Your opinion of my opinion is not relevant to the math. What 11 would you go with then? I assume you mean max Howard and lost one of Fagbenle, Zandalasini or draft pick? Yes, I did say that option would work as well. So, who would you drop?


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PostPosted: 02/06/18 10:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
You think they're getting the #4 pick in a draft class people like for an RFA where it's questionable if they'd even match a straight offer sheet?


Yes.

If Howard wanted to just sign and see what happens I feel like that could have happened by now. And it seems the Lynx still have the cap space ATM to match and are probably posturing that they would do so.

Chicago doesn't have a starting level PF, and the coach like the type of player that can stretch the floor.

Because Chicago has two top picks they can afford to move one unlike other teams that might be making other offers.

If Chicago is going into a win now kind of thought process a player like Howard will do more for them, then getting a second top rookie, especially when they will also be adding another rookie with Coates.

If Minny is going to give up there young post of the future it is going to have to get something pretty valuable in return.

IMO Howard is edging her way up to being really good. If Chicago plays hard ball maybe they get Minny to send back their #12 pick, but I think Howard for #4 straight up in this situation could be a fair deal for both teams.


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PostPosted: 02/06/18 10:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I have repeatedly stated that Maya does not need a full time backup, so Zandalasini is my easy answer.



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PostPosted: 02/06/18 10:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Here is another admittedly circumstantial piece of interest. Sylvia Fowles and Beijing met Natasha Howard and Zheijang in the WCBA quarterfinals.

Game 1 was the battle of the teammates.
https://twitter.com/minnesotalynx/status/958040599600353280

By game four, pictures of the teammates, but no mention of them.
https://twitter.com/minnesotalynx/status/960598958258221056

And Howard's stats are no longer on the overseas page:
http://lynx.wnba.com/news/lynx-overseas-tracker/


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PostPosted: 02/06/18 10:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

J-Spoon wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
You think they're getting the #4 pick in a draft class people like for an RFA where it's questionable if they'd even match a straight offer sheet?


If Howard wanted to just sign and see what happens I feel like that could have happened by now. And it seems the Lynx still have the cap space ATM to match and are probably posturing that they would do so.


Not necessarily. If you remember back when Maya signed her first free agent contract, she had us waiting until like May before she signed. She had me sweating buckets. Her excuse was she couldn’t find a printer or fax. She was playing in China just like Howard is now.

J-Spoon wrote:
Because Chicago has two top picks they can afford to move one unlike other teams that might be making other offers.


I guess you’re not buying that #1 for #3 + #4 rumor. Razz

J-Spoon wrote:
If Chicago is going into a win now kind of thought process a player like Howard will do more for them, then getting a second top rookie, especially when they will also be adding another rookie with Coates.


It’s Minnesota that’s in win-now mode. It’s that closing window thing. If you agree with this, wouldn’t you recommend that the Lynx keep Howard?



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PostPosted: 02/06/18 11:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Howard won't make much difference in the Lynx repeating though, if the Lynx can use her to build for the future in 2-3 seasons when Brunson and whay retire they should go for it.

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J-Spoon wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
You think they're getting the #4 pick in a draft class people like for an RFA where it's questionable if they'd even match a straight offer sheet?


If Howard wanted to just sign and see what happens I feel like that could have happened by now. And it seems the Lynx still have the cap space ATM to match and are probably posturing that they would do so.


Not necessarily. If you remember back when Maya signed her first free agent contract, she had us waiting until like May before she signed. She had me sweating buckets. Her excuse was she couldn’t find a printer or fax. She was playing in China just like Howard is now.

J-Spoon wrote:
Because Chicago has two top picks they can afford to move one unlike other teams that might be making other offers.


I guess you’re not buying that #1 for #3 + #4 rumor. Razz

J-Spoon wrote:
If Chicago is going into a win now kind of thought process a player like Howard will do more for them, then getting a second top rookie, especially when they will also be adding another rookie with Coates.


It’s Minnesota that’s in win-now mode. It’s that closing window thing. If you agree with this, wouldn’t you recommend that the Lynx keep Howard?


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Shades wrote:
J-Spoon wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
You think they're getting the #4 pick in a draft class people like for an RFA where it's questionable if they'd even match a straight offer sheet?


If Howard wanted to just sign and see what happens I feel like that could have happened by now. And it seems the Lynx still have the cap space ATM to match and are probably posturing that they would do so.


Not necessarily. If you remember back when Maya signed her first free agent contract, she had us waiting until like May before she signed. She had me sweating buckets. Her excuse was she couldn’t find a printer or fax. She was playing in China just like Howard is now.

J-Spoon wrote:
Because Chicago has two top picks they can afford to move one unlike other teams that might be making other offers.


I guess you’re not buying that #1 for #3 + #4 rumor. Razz

J-Spoon wrote:
If Chicago is going into a win now kind of thought process a player like Howard will do more for them, then getting a second top rookie, especially when they will also be adding another rookie with Coates.


It’s Minnesota that’s in win-now mode. It’s that closing window thing. If you agree with this, wouldn’t you recommend that the Lynx keep Howard?


Rumors are rumors, speculation is speculation.

If I was Minnesota I would keep Howard.

If I was Minnesota and was going to trade Howard I would expect something pretty good in return.

If I was Howard, I don't know? Minny seems like a pretty good gig, great team support, they're perennial contenders, she'll probably get decent minutes, Brunson isn't getting any younger and Natasha can get some minutes at the 3 behind Moore as well. But it doesn't seem too crazy to think Howard might want to start or have a more crucial role.

Something that I didn't factor in is maybe Howard doesn't want to go to Chicago. I believe for a sign and trade the player has to be on board with the final destination. If Howard is OK with playing in Minny but isn't sure if the offer is there she could always sign a contract somewhere else (that she would theoretically want to go) and leave the ball in Minny's court.

But you are correct, if she wants to stay, and Minny wants her there isn't any rush to sign the contract, but considering 80% or RFA have already inked their deals it does lead to some fun speculation. (I'm assuming no one has offered Hartley anything amazing, and she and NY were just waiting to have some sort of finality to the ownership drama before she re-signs.)

#1 for #3 and #4 feels like a closer to the draft kind of trade. You have to wait and see if anyone declares. Taking Wilson at #1 seems like and easy choice for The Aces, and Chicago with their gaping hole at PF would be foolish to turn it down if it is out there, but who knows?


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PostPosted: 02/07/18 2:25 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Richyyy wrote:
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So this only leaves them with $137k to bring in another FA? Kizer? Jackson-Jones? Pondexter? S. Johnson? I guess they'll be sticking with 11 players again.

a) It's a hypothetical dude - Howard's not officially signed anywhere yet.
b) 137k is more than enough for two players, depending on who they are and what they want.


Good to know they'll have enough Cap space for a veteran guard...

Okay, I see what you did there.... Laughing Cool



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justintyme wrote:
sigur3 wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
toad455 wrote:
So this only leaves them with $137k to bring in another FA? Kizer? Jackson-Jones? Pondexter? S. Johnson? I guess they'll be sticking with 11 players again.

a) It's a hypothetical dude - Howard's not officially signed anywhere yet.
b) 137k is more than enough for two players, depending on who they are and what they want.


Good to know they'll have enough Cap space for a veteran guard...

Okay, I see what you did there.... Laughing Cool


Hopefully the Lynx don't PONDer over the decision much longer, unless the decision has been EXTERminated..


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PostPosted: 02/07/18 10:07 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

J-Spoon wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
You think they're getting the #4 pick in a draft class people like for an RFA where it's questionable if they'd even match a straight offer sheet?


Yes.

If Howard wanted to just sign and see what happens I feel like that could have happened by now. And it seems the Lynx still have the cap space ATM to match and are probably posturing that they would do so.

Chicago doesn't have a starting level PF, and the coach like the type of player that can stretch the floor.

Because Chicago has two top picks they can afford to move one unlike other teams that might be making other offers.

If Chicago is going into a win now kind of thought process a player like Howard will do more for them, then getting a second top rookie, especially when they will also be adding another rookie with Coates.

If Minny is going to give up there young post of the future it is going to have to get something pretty valuable in return.

IMO Howard is edging her way up to being really good. If Chicago plays hard ball maybe they get Minny to send back their #12 pick, but I think Howard for #4 straight up in this situation could be a fair deal for both teams.


Who said Chicago's involved?


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PostPosted: 02/07/18 10:11 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I’m thinking Pondexter and or Kizer is headed to Minnesota. Maybe both. I saw something on twitter that said champagne will be in order when they announce who they’ve signed. Anyone hear anything about these possible signings?


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I saw something on twitter that said champagne will be in order when they announce who they’ve signed.

Heh. That one might be a little cleverer than you're giving it credit for.



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PostPosted: 02/07/18 12:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
I saw something on twitter that said champagne will be in order when they announce who they’ve signed.

Heh. That one might be a little cleverer than you're giving it credit for.


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PostPosted: 02/07/18 12:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

And here I was thinking Celine Dumerc was making a comeback.


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PostPosted: 02/07/18 12:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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And here I was thinking Celine Dumerc was making a comeback.


The Lynx did draft a French kid in the 2nd round last year, Lisa Berkani, but I know nothing about her, or if she's any good or not.


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PostPosted: 02/07/18 12:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Well you're getting warmer, but I'd be frankly stunned if anyone got it.



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How about Yacobou?


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By the way, Lisa Berkani expects to report, too.


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Well you're getting warmer, but I'd be frankly stunned if anyone got it.


I mentioned Marine Johannès as a player that may deserve a look.



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Richyyy wrote:
Well you're getting warmer, but I'd be frankly stunned if anyone got it.


Hmm. He said French, and you said getting warmer....

Sandrine Gruda? Celine Dumerc?


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Ay Mate wrote:
I’m thinking Pondexter and or Kizer is headed to Minnesota. Maybe both. I saw something on twitter that said champagne will be in order when they announce who they’ve signed. Anyone hear anything about these possible signings?


Who said the champagne was for Minnesota?


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So, how upset would Shades be if Minnesota not only traded Howard instead of keeping her, like Nerd2 said, but got no players back in return or not even a first round draft choice.....hmmmm....inquiring minds want to know! Confused

Eh, what the hell do I know anyway?


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Well, I guess we are about to find out!


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PostPosted: 02/07/18 1:47 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Howard to Seattle for a 2018 2nd Rounder and the right to swap 1st Round Picks in 2019


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That's...a great deal for Minnesota.


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PostPosted: 02/07/18 1:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

dtsnms wrote:
So, how upset would Shades be if Minnesota not only traded Howard instead of keeping her, like Nerd2 said, but got no players back in return or not even a first round draft choice.....hmmmm....inquiring minds want to know! Confused

Eh, what the hell do I know anyway?


Oh Lord, I'm nervous!!! Shocked


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lynxmania wrote:
right to swap 1st Round Picks in 2019


Can someone who understands this in full explain? Shocked


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Has anyone seen Olivia Epoupa play? Also, why does the Lynx overseas tracker include Kateřina Elhotová?


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dtsnms wrote:
So, how upset would Shades be if Minnesota not only traded Howard instead of keeping her, like Nerd2 said, but got no players back in return or not even a first round draft choice.....hmmmm....inquiring minds want to know! Confused

Eh, what the hell do I know anyway?


Hmmm. Interesting. The Lynx traded Natasha Howard for only a 2nd round draft pick to Seattle. That obviously means the Lynx had no use for Howard on the bench anymore because they are signing Lynetta Kizer.


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PostPosted: 02/07/18 1:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

mavcarter wrote:
lynxmania wrote:
right to swap 1st Round Picks in 2019


Can someone who understands this in full explain? Shocked

If the Storm have a better draft pick next year than the Lynx, the Lynx can swap picks with them.

I was thinking that the "pop the champagne" might have been a reference to Langhorne (you know, Cristal, and all). But if that was it she would have been part of the trade, wouldn't she?



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mavcarter wrote:
lynxmania wrote:
right to swap 1st Round Picks in 2019


Can someone who understands this in full explain? Shocked


If minnesota finishes better than Seattle, they can take Seattle's first round pick in exchange for their own. Betting on playoff seeding basically.


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Wtf lynx. Only a 2nd round pick? wow.



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Wtf lynx. Only a 2nd round pick? wow.


No, also 1st round swap rights next season.


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sigur3 wrote:
adamj95 wrote:
Wtf lynx. Only a 2nd round pick? wow.


No, also 1st round swap rights next season.


No guarantees on how good that pick will be next season. Gonna miss Howard.



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sigur3 wrote:
adamj95 wrote:
Wtf lynx. Only a 2nd round pick? wow.


No, also 1st round swap rights next season.


Lets hope that the Storm make the playoffs or barely miss out because if we lose a lotterty pick for Howard then im going to flip the fuck out Shocked Evil or Very Mad



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Has anyone seen Olivia Epoupa play? Also, why does the Lynx overseas tracker include Kateřina Elhotová?

They signed Elhotova a couple of years ago, then she got pregnant and never showed up. So they presumably still hold her rights. Epoupa's a tiny little speedy point guard. The likely successor to Dumerc at PG for France.

The Howard move wasn't what the champagne referred to, by the way.



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dtsnms wrote:
If minnesota finishes better than Seattle, they can take Seattle's first round pick in exchange for their own. Betting on playoff seeding basically.


justintyme wrote:
If the Storm have a better draft pick next year than the Lynx, the Lynx can swap picks with them.


Wait, so who's right? Laughing


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Has anyone seen Olivia Epoupa play? Also, why does the Lynx overseas tracker include Kateřina Elhotová?


Saw her once. Tiny. Fierce. Can shoot a little. Hope others have seen her multiple times and can give a more detailed accounting.



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adamj95 wrote:
Wtf lynx. Only a 2nd round pick? wow.


Has Reeve turned into Curt Miller? What’s with all the sudden love of the draft and rookies? Maybe she believed Megdal’s mock draft and thought she could actually get Mercedes Russell at #17. I hope it’s the case that Howard wanted to leave and this was the best she could do. If SEA really stinks (and that’s less likely now), I suppose it makes next year’s draft more interesting. But I really wanted to win #5 this year. Hopefully the Kizer rumor is true.



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Richyyy wrote:

The Howard move wasn't what the champagne referred to, by the way.

So you're saying there's a chance it could still be Langhorne Wink.

The Howard trade would make sense if they brought in a top quality veteran post. Double down on another Championship this year and hope for an underperforming Storm team to provide a building block for the future.



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Queenie wrote:
Nerd2 wrote:
Has anyone seen Olivia Epoupa play? Also, why does the Lynx overseas tracker include Kateřina Elhotová?


Saw her once. Tiny. Fierce. Can shoot a little. Hope others have seen her multiple times and can give a more detailed accounting.


Like you said she is a tiny fast fierce PG who can hit the midrange jumper off the pick&roll. She is young though and her play reflects that. She needs to learn when to look for her own shot and when its time to involve others some more.

A bit like Alexis Peterson but with a little bit more upside IMO



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justintyme wrote:
Richyyy wrote:

The Howard move wasn't what the champagne referred to, by the way.

So you're saying there's a chance it could still be Langhorne Wink.

The Howard trade would make sense if they brought in a top quality veteran post. Double down on another Championship this year and hope for an underperforming Storm team to provide a building block for the future.


You were hoping for Langhorne? I think that’d be better short term.

Who knows. This was a gamble trade and we’ll have to wait and see how it pans out. The Lynx gambled like this in 2010 and it should have paid off but it didn’t really since they ended up with Amber Harris. Confused



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Richyyy wrote:
Nerd2 wrote:
Has anyone seen Olivia Epoupa play? Also, why does the Lynx overseas tracker include Kateřina Elhotová?

They signed Elhotova a couple of years ago, then she got pregnant and never showed up. So they presumably still hold her rights. Epoupa's a tiny little speedy point guard. The likely successor to Dumerc at PG for France.

The Howard move wasn't what the champagne referred to, by the way.


Um, yeah, it was, at least here. The champagne wasn't for Lynx fans.

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Great move by Minnesoata....Dumb move by Seattle.


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http://lynx.wnba.com/news/minnesota-lynx-re-sign-forward-cecilia-zandalasini-add-forwards-lynetta-kizer-endy-miyem/?sf181546951=1

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Minnesota Lynx Re-Sign Forward Cecilia Zandalasini and Add Forwards Lynetta Kizer and Endy Miyem



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http://lynx.wnba.com/news/minnesota-lynx-re-sign-forward-cecilia-zandalasini-add-forwards-lynetta-kizer-endy-miyem/?sf181546951=1

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Minnesota Lynx Re-Sign Forward Cecilia Zandalasini and Add Forwards Lynetta Kizer and Endy Miyem


Good moves for the Lynx. I like Miyem s game.



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Endy Miyem, born in Reims, one of the primary areas that produces...



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Richyyy wrote:
Endy Miyem, born in Reims, one of the primary areas that produces...


She is an interesting get. But Minnesota still needs another guard.


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Richyyy wrote:

The Howard move wasn't what the champagne referred to, by the way.

So you're saying there's a chance it could still be Langhorne Wink.

The Howard trade would make sense if they brought in a top quality veteran post. Double down on another Championship this year and hope for an underperforming Storm team to provide a building block for the future.


You were hoping for Langhorne? I think that’d be better short term.

With Richyyy's cryptic response to "pop the champagne" I was hoping she would be who it was referring to. Less likely now, but still some Lloyd Christmas hope going on.



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