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Who will win this game?
Lynx
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PostPosted: 09/29/17 10:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ow...little lailaa getting her sportscenter spot.


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toad455 wrote:
Why did Whalen only play 12 minutes & Brunson only 19?? That small line-up for Minnesota didn't really work tonight.

Nah, it actually did. It was the lineup that got them within 1. Perkins just crapped the bed when it was all on the line. How many wide open 3 did she brick in that critical juncture?

If I were the Lynx I would run the small lineup wire to wire next game whenever Maya is on the floor.


3 of the 4 she took for the game I think. Monty had Jones wide open on the other side of the arc at the same time Perkins was but unfortunately didn't see her.


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PostPosted: 09/29/17 10:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

wnbashockballa wrote:
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refs straight robbing the lynx right now if lynx win this game i hope reeves lets them know


Its not like they are not fouling alot though.


to the fact LA is playing that tough and tight of Defense and they didn't have not one foul plz over it

That was really my only issue. They called the Lynx tight, and that's fair, but there was a lot of contact allowed on the other end of the court that wasn't called.



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 10:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

adamj95 wrote:
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#JusticeHasBeenServed


If justice is to be served Lynx will win in 5 on a late basket that the refs can’t review.

A little bitter tonight, not directed at you.


Its ok i understand fan to fan i felt those same emotions during and after game 2!



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 10:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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dear sparks fans at staples,

don't taught maya...she'll drop 40 game 4... she is a killer... Laughing


nope the home refs will make sure she picks up 3 again in the 1st half and sit like tonight to seal a LA win


Or she might foul 20 times and only get called for 1 in the 1st half? This is LaLa Land ya know Laughing



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 10:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Another hard fought game. Congrats to the Sparks! Cool



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 10:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Y'all Lynx fans are very bitter tonight. But I understand. I've watched Maya climb backs for rebounds for several seasons and not get called for numerous fouls. The refs suck. I agree there, but like said before Minnesota had several opportunities to take the lead and couldn't connect. Idk why Whalen was benched, but I expected to see her come in when they cut the lead under 10. Glad to get the W. Hesitant to purchase game 4 tickets again since we lost last year when I was there for game 4 lol. GO LA. I think we'll close it out in game 4 this year. Might as well get the tickets!!!



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 10:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

1.Running the offense through Fowles instead of Moore is just stupid.Moore is a tier 1 offensive superstar while Fowles is a limited offensive player.There were too many possessions in the 4th quarter where Maya did not touch the basketball.

2.Reeve sat Augustus to long.Perkins,who had a poor shooting night.Was throwing up bricks during the key moments of the 4th quarter.

3.Had Jones played 15-18 minutes during the regular season,she would have easily made the all rookie team.

4.Minnesota needs an influx of talent.They also need to increase the roles of the young players that are currently on the roster.


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PostPosted: 09/29/17 10:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

maya is pissed in this post game presser lol



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 10:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The good news for the Lynx is that Jones looks like she is a keeper...which is a good thing since there are at least 4 lynxians who are or should be on the brink of retirement.

The good news for LA is they managed to win on their home court and that JLav seemed to have re-found her much needed shot and that Bay Bay actually played a few minutes without killing them.



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I don't remember seeing Cheryl yelling at Maya before...and in this game, at least twice!



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 10:49 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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1.Running the offense through Fowles instead of Moore is just stupid.Moore is a tier 1 offensive superstar while Fowles is a limited offensive player.There were too many possessions in the 4th quarter where Maya did not touch the basketball.

2.Reeve sat Augustus to long.Perkins,who had a poor shooting night.Was throwing up bricks during the key moments of the 4th quarter.

3.Had Jones played 15-18 minutes during the regular season,she would have easily made the all rookie team.

4.Minnesota needs an influx of talent.They also need to increase the roles of the young players that are currently on the roster.


its smart to run throw fowles if fowles makes the right move as in when to pass vs shooting ... most the time the t/o are because they are forcing it into her with 2/3 ppl on her

bread was all over maya it was hard to get it to maya tonight but i will say once the lead was cut to one jones and jia and monty shoulda made sure maya was shooting or creating



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 11:08 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

1.Led by C.Parker,LA's entire starting 5 was tenacious on defense.

2.Once again,Sims/Gray outplayed Whalen/Augustus.Up to this point,Gray is my finals MVP.

3.Minnesota got very good production off the bench.But Reeve left Jones/Perkins in a little too long.

4.The early foul calls on Maya were garbage.But it evened out in the 2nd half.Maya got away with excessive contact on multiple plays in the 3rd quarter.The referees did not decide this basketball game.Minnesota's inability to hit shots,and play defense without fouling cost them the basketball game.


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wnbashockballa wrote:

its smart to run throw fowles if fowles makes the right move as in when to pass vs shooting ... most the time the t/o are because they are forcing it into her with 2/3 ppl on her


Maya has a history of offensively putting teams on her back.Scoring 30+ pts in big games,hitting game winning shots....If minny has any hope of playing a gm 5 Maya must be the #1 option,not Fowles.


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PostPosted: 09/29/17 11:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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1.Running the offense through Fowles instead of Moore is just stupid.Moore is a tier 1 offensive superstar while Fowles is a limited offensive player.There were too many possessions in the 4th quarter where Maya did not touch the basketball.


I think Beard deserves at least some credit for that. She was running (or at least trying to run) full ball denial on Moore for much of the 4th quarter, particularly after Moore got hot and hit a few shots. But for Beard's efforts, Moore might very well have kept her hot-streak rolling and basically buried the Sparks down the stretch. We've all seen plenty of games in which she's done exactly that to an opponent.

Beard was, I think, the secret hero behind tonight's W for Los Angeles.


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PostPosted: 09/30/17 12:37 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I don't remember seeing Cheryl yelling at Maya before...and in this game, at least twice!


Reeve has felt a little too comfortable yelling at Maya for years now. Hopefully, Reeve counters that off the court or it can't be a good situation.



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The good news for the Lynx is that Jones looks like she is a keeper.


She needed to keep her three point stroke going.
She was 3-5 from three and 0-5 from two.
It all adds up to 30% fgp. Yee haw!



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Well another game with the team that gets off to a good ends up winning the game with some drama the last few mins. Who was it that gave CP votes for the all defense team?cause she making them look good. Being a LA fan and watching CP play a lot during the season I was like whoever vote for her had a legit case.

Jones had a good game, she and Renee were the reason the Lynx had a comeback.

I think Sims ball pressure is getting to Whalen. Speaking of Sims everytime Ryan brings up her not missing a ft I'm like be quiet and of course she missed one. Gray is playing good defense too.

LA please win on Sunday I don't think my heart can deal with another close 4qrt game.


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I think Sims ball pressure is getting to Whalen. Speaking of Sims everytime Ryan brings up her not missing a ft I'm like be quiet and of course she missed one. Gray is playing good defense too.


And some people said Sims didn't have the ability to be a elite level defender.


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PostPosted: 09/30/17 7:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Whalen & Augustus played like crap, Moore was in foul trouble & the Sparks figured out how to contain Fowles. Brunson was a non-factor with the Lynx going small. When all five starters were mostly ineffective, the Sparks will win.



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Less minutes for Whalen means less quality scoring opportunities for Fowles.Montgomery is one of the worst post entry passers in the league.


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Random thoughts ...

*My team would have won if not for the horrible officiating. Refs suck, refs suck ... blame the refs. It's their fault, and the league tells them who to call fouls on. Who cares about dumb plays, bad shots and horrid defense? It's all the refs. Blame the refs.

*Sylvia Fowles takes nine shots, makes seven. Alexis Jones takes 10 shots, makes three. Jia Perkins takes eight shots, makes one. This might be a coaching issue (or you could blame the refs).

*Sims turned it up a notch defending Whalen, who had been effective offensively in the first two games. Whatever changed, it made Whalen pretty much unplayable, because her defense is below average now.

*How can Seimone Augustus get just four shots in 25 minutes? This might be a coaching issue (or you could blame the refs).

*Though Sims and Gray outscored Whalen and Augustus 30-0 -- let's stop and think about that for a second (blame the refs) -- they also combined for seven turnovers, which is too many. L.A. won't be +30 again in the backcourt, and then those turnovers, too many of them simply ill-advised, could turn a game around.

*And despite all that (blame the refs), Minnesota could have won this game.



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zune69 wrote:
Libra_Girl wrote:

I think Sims ball pressure is getting to Whalen. Speaking of Sims everytime Ryan brings up her not missing a ft I'm like be quiet and of course she missed one. Gray is playing good defense too.


And some people said Sims didn't have the ability to be a elite level defender.
I never said she couldn't be a good defender. I said she had weaknesses that were not obvious at first glance. When she picks up and stays with her assignment she plays at a high level. in this last game she did. She picked up her assignment early so that they couldn't lose her in transition. She has to remain focused through out the game. This loss of focus is also what got Williams pulled from game two, not the fact that she didn't hit her one shot attempt.

I will hold off on whether I would say Sims can be an elite level defender until it becomes clear to me why she loses contact with her assignments. is it purely focus? Is it narrow peripheral vision or does it involve a spactial processing deficiency? I frankly do not know. The thing is that if it involves the latter two that is not really correctable. She is really learning to compensate for what ever it is. The incident with Nneka seemed to point to focus.

I would not, however, call her an elite defender because she lacks size and has short arms. She uses her speed to compensate for that. The thing is that to be called elite you should have no weaknesses to compensate for other than having an off day.

Speed can negate a lack of height but to use that speed requires constant focus. Spatial recognition also plays a major factor in compensating for other deficiencies. The lack of it can negate speed. A players assets and deficiencies can be a combination of may variables. Some are just more obvious than others. That is why many players that have one aspect of either height, quickness/speed, technical proficiency or BB IQ often can not function at the next level. Just being above average or overly endowed in one area will only be able to compensate for deficiencies in the others at the lower levels. That is why their is usually and adjustment period when players step up a level. It will expose their deficiencies. Some can be corrected others can not. However, those that can be corrected require a lot of effort and work. That is why Shoni is not presently in the league.


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ClayK wrote:
Random thoughts ...
*Sims turned it up a notch defending Whalen, who had been effective offensively in the first two games. Whatever changed, it made Whalen pretty much unplayable, because her defense is below average now.


I watched what Sims did. Sims stayed focused and made an effort to pick up or at least recognize where her assignment was early during every transition. She did this not only with Whalen but also her other assignments. She stayed focused defensively and that would tend to mitigate any spatial issues she might have. Whalen is just more savey than most and will take advantage of any such lack in concentration.

The lynx run a lot of picks for their players. Moore got called for fouls on a few of those this last game. In the previous games Fowles was often guilty of throwing moving picks and screens but never was caught. Never the less they are really good at it. I never consider it bad defense when a player gets picked off a screen. Often it is their team mate who is liable. The lynxs guards especially seem to depend on screens and picks more than the Sparks guards do. If the Lynxs get called for fouls on those plays it sort of effects their ability to run their offense.


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willtalk wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Libra_Girl wrote:

I think Sims ball pressure is getting to Whalen. Speaking of Sims everytime Ryan brings up her not missing a ft I'm like be quiet and of course she missed one. Gray is playing good defense too.


And some people said Sims didn't have the ability to be a elite level defender.
I never said she couldn't be a good defender. I said she had weaknesses that were not obvious at first glance. When she picks up and stays with her assignment she plays at a high level. in this last game she did. She picked up her assignment early so that they couldn't lose her in transition. She has to remain focused through out the game. This loss of focus is also what got Williams pulled from game two, not the fact that she didn't hit her one shot attempt.

I will hold off on whether I would say Sims can be an elite level defender until it becomes clear to me why she loses contact with her assignments. is it purely focus? Is it narrow peripheral vision or does it involve a spactial processing deficiency? I frankly do not know. The thing is that if it involves the latter two that is not really correctable. She is really learning to compensate for what ever it is. The incident with Nneka seemed to point to focus.

I would not, however, call her an elite defender because she lacks size and has short arms. She uses her speed to compensate for that. The thing is that to be called elite you should have no weaknesses to compensate for other than having an off day.

Speed can negate a lack of height but to use that speed requires constant focus. Spatial recognition also plays a major factor in compensating for other deficiencies. The lack of it can negate speed. A players assets and deficiencies can be a combination of may variables. Some are just more obvious than others. That is why many players that have one aspect of either height, quickness/speed, technical proficiency or BB IQ often can not function at the next level. Just being above average or overly endowed in one area will only be able to compensate for deficiencies in the others at the lower levels. That is why their is usually and adjustment period when players step up a level. It will expose their deficiencies. Some can be corrected others can not. However, those that can be corrected require a lot of effort and work. That is why Shoni is not presently in the league.


Interesting and thoughtful post. Not sure how much of what you said is verifiable, but I'll certainly stipulate that you put some thought into it... Still, I gotta give you the #HateHard Approved, for the out-of-left-field Shoni Schimmel diss.



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I'm still rolling on the floor laughing over Seimone's 5 second after her classless gestures in Alana Beard's face at the end of game 2. God is good. LOL.


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@ willtalk...my comment was directed at the Sims detractors who said she could never play elite level defense at the pg position.Sims is making them eat their words.Whalen's having a difficult time just getting the ball across halfcourt.Sure,Sims still has her lapses,but that's to be expected.Playing three seasons for a franchise that showed no interest in playing defense or taking quality shots really stunted her growth.Sims developed some bad habits that will take some time to fully kick,but she's on the right path,with the right coach.


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zune69 wrote:
@ willtalk...my comment was directed at the Sims detractors who said she could never play elite level defense at the pg position.Sims is making them eat their words.Whalen's having a difficult time just getting the ball across halfcourt.Sure,Sims still has her lapses,but that's to be expected.Playing three seasons for a franchise that showed no interest in playing defense or taking quality shots really stunted her growth.Sims developed some bad habits that will take some time to fully kick,but she's on the right path,with the right coach.


Hey watch it , If anything she was the player not having interest in defense or taking quality shots stunting her own growth . Dont bash a franchise and exclude the player as if she was not apart of the bad also . She was the biggest culprit to everything you just named when she played here.



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WNBA 09 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
@ willtalk...my comment was directed at the Sims detractors who said she could never play elite level defense at the pg position.Sims is making them eat their words.Whalen's having a difficult time just getting the ball across halfcourt.Sure,Sims still has her lapses,but that's to be expected.Playing three seasons for a franchise that showed no interest in playing defense or taking quality shots really stunted her growth.Sims developed some bad habits that will take some time to fully kick,but she's on the right path,with the right coach.


Hey watch it , If anything she was the player not having interest in defense or taking quality shots stunting her own growth . Dont bash a franchise and exclude the player as if she was not apart of the bad also . She was the biggest culprit to everything you just named when she played here.


The same nonsense has continued in dallas without Sims.Yeah,she played her part.But coach Williams is the ringleader.


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zune69 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
@ willtalk...my comment was directed at the Sims detractors who said she could never play elite level defense at the pg position.Sims is making them eat their words.Whalen's having a difficult time just getting the ball across halfcourt.Sure,Sims still has her lapses,but that's to be expected.Playing three seasons for a franchise that showed no interest in playing defense or taking quality shots really stunted her growth.Sims developed some bad habits that will take some time to fully kick,but she's on the right path,with the right coach.


Hey watch it , If anything she was the player not having interest in defense or taking quality shots stunting her own growth . Dont bash a franchise and exclude the player as if she was not apart of the bad also . She was the biggest culprit to everything you just named when she played here.


The same nonsense has continued in dallas without Sims.Yeah,she played her part.But coach Williams is the ringleader.


Funny how when Player A leaves , we make the playoffs. I will not speak bad of fred today im giving him a break.



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WNBA 09 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
@ willtalk...my comment was directed at the Sims detractors who said she could never play elite level defense at the pg position.Sims is making them eat their words.Whalen's having a difficult time just getting the ball across halfcourt.Sure,Sims still has her lapses,but that's to be expected.Playing three seasons for a franchise that showed no interest in playing defense or taking quality shots really stunted her growth.Sims developed some bad habits that will take some time to fully kick,but she's on the right path,with the right coach.


Hey watch it , If anything she was the player not having interest in defense or taking quality shots stunting her own growth . Dont bash a franchise and exclude the player as if she was not apart of the bad also . She was the biggest culprit to everything you just named when she played here.


The same nonsense has continued in dallas without Sims.Yeah,she played her part.But coach Williams is the ringleader.


Funny how when Player A leaves , we make the playoffs. I will not speak bad of fred today im giving him a break.


Made the playoffs in a year where:

Catchings retired.
McCoughtry sat out the season.
EDD forced her way out of Chicago.


Lets see what happens next season with Cambage.I expect nothing less than a 6th seed.

Tulsa/Dallas made the playoffs in 2015 with Sims....unfortunately,2015 was similar to 2017:

Parker sat out half of the season.
Fowles sat out half of the season.
No Taurasi.
No Taylor.


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zune69 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
@ willtalk...my comment was directed at the Sims detractors who said she could never play elite level defense at the pg position.Sims is making them eat their words.Whalen's having a difficult time just getting the ball across halfcourt.Sure,Sims still has her lapses,but that's to be expected.Playing three seasons for a franchise that showed no interest in playing defense or taking quality shots really stunted her growth.Sims developed some bad habits that will take some time to fully kick,but she's on the right path,with the right coach.


Hey watch it , If anything she was the player not having interest in defense or taking quality shots stunting her own growth . Dont bash a franchise and exclude the player as if she was not apart of the bad also . She was the biggest culprit to everything you just named when she played here.


The same nonsense has continued in dallas without Sims.Yeah,she played her part.But coach Williams is the ringleader.


Funny how when Player A leaves , we make the playoffs. I will not speak bad of fred today im giving him a break.


Made the playoffs in a year where:

Catchings retired.
McCoughtry sat out the season.
EDD forced her way out of Chicago.


Lets see what happens next season with Cambage.I expect nothing less than a 6th seed.

Tulsa/Dallas made the playoffs in 2015 with Sims....unfortunately,2015 was similar to 2017:

Parker sat out half of the season.
Fowles sat out half of the season.
No Taurasi.
No Taylor.


So you're arguing that Dallas/Tulsa made the playoffs in 2015 because Taurasi and Taylor didn't play for Phoenix, and Fowles and Parker sat out half the season? But those teams (Phoenix, Chicago and Los Angeles) made the playoffs anyway in 2015 so how did their absence help Dallas/Tulsa? Regardless, can't you point to almost any season and find teams that suffered injuries or were otherwise missing important players?


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Shades wrote:
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I don't remember seeing Cheryl yelling at Maya before...and in this game, at least twice!


Reeve has felt a little too comfortable yelling at Maya for years now. Hopefully, Reeve counters that off the court or it can't be a good situation.


sooo...what's Maya's contract like? Is she too sweet of a person to force her way out of MN? Welcome to Dallas MM! Razz


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Shades wrote:
myrtle wrote:
I don't remember seeing Cheryl yelling at Maya before...and in this game, at least twice!


Reeve has felt a little too comfortable yelling at Maya for years now. Hopefully, Reeve counters that off the court or it can't be a good situation.


sooo...what's Maya's contract like? Is she too sweet of a person to force her way out of MN? Welcome to Dallas MM! Razz


She has a house in Atlanta...



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PostPosted: 09/30/17 3:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

zune69 wrote:
Tulsa/Dallas made the playoffs in 2015 with Sims....unfortunately,2015 was similar to 2017:

Parker sat out half of the season.
Fowles sat out half of the season.
No Taurasi.
No Taylor.



I'm pretty sure the main reason is:
2015: Built a 8-1 record with Diggins (10-15 without her)
2016: Diggin was a shell of herself coming back from her ACL injury.
2017: Diggins-Smith finally back to playing at All-WNBA level again.


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So you're arguing that Dallas/Tulsa made the playoffs in 2015 because Taurasi and Taylor didn't play for Phoenix, and Fowles and Parker sat out half the season? But those teams (Phoenix, Chicago and Los Angeles) made the playoffs anyway in 2015 so how did their absence help Dallas/Tulsa? Regardless, can't you point to almost any season and find teams that suffered injuries or were otherwise missing important players?


Tulsa won games against Minnesota and LA prior to Parker/Fowles joining their respective teams....Tulsa also beat a Chicago team that was still in the process of trading Fowles....LA won only 14 games in 2015 with basically the same squad that won 26 games in 2016.That's how crazy the 2015 season was.

SpaceJunkie wrote:


I'm pretty sure the main reason is:
2015: Built a 8-1 record with Diggins (10-15 without her)
2016: Diggin was a shell of herself coming back from her ACL injury.
2017: Diggins-Smith finally back to playing at All-WNBA level again.


The 8-1 record in 2015 looks good until you realize Tulsa beat San Antonio 2x,Seattle 2x,minnesota 1x(pre Folwes),and Chicago 1x(without Fowles).Tulsa/coach Williams gets credit for getting off to a great start.However...

2015 record:
San Antonio:8-26
Seattle:10-24

4 of the 8 wins came against the two worst teams in the league.


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zune69 wrote:
Fighting Artichoke wrote:

So you're arguing that Dallas/Tulsa made the playoffs in 2015 because Taurasi and Taylor didn't play for Phoenix, and Fowles and Parker sat out half the season? But those teams (Phoenix, Chicago and Los Angeles) made the playoffs anyway in 2015 so how did their absence help Dallas/Tulsa? Regardless, can't you point to almost any season and find teams that suffered injuries or were otherwise missing important players?


Tulsa won games against Minnesota and LA prior to Parker/Fowles joining their respective teams....Tulsa also beat a Chicago team that was still in the process of trading Fowles....LA won only 14 games in 2015 with basically the same squad that won 26 games in 2016.That's how crazy the 2015 season was.

SpaceJunkie wrote:


I'm pretty sure the main reason is:
2015: Built a 8-1 record with Diggins (10-15 without her)
2016: Diggin was a shell of herself coming back from her ACL injury.
2017: Diggins-Smith finally back to playing at All-WNBA level again.


The 8-1 record in 2015 looks good until you realize Tulsa beat San Antonio 2x,Seattle 2x,minnesota 1x(pre Folwes),and Chicago 1x(without Fowles).Tulsa/coach Williams gets credit for getting off to a great start.However...

2015 record:
San Antonio:8-26
Seattle:10-24

4 of the 8 wins came against the two worst teams in the league.


Im sorry you referencing 2015 is really stretching it. Lol we will see in 2018 when my Wings murder the Merc. Smh And you know it too lol thats why your always wishing negativity upon cambages return also bc you know we will be a real contender. Thanks Zune?



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pilight wrote:
ChicagoAnnie wrote:
Shades wrote:
myrtle wrote:
I don't remember seeing Cheryl yelling at Maya before...and in this game, at least twice!


Reeve has felt a little too comfortable yelling at Maya for years now. Hopefully, Reeve counters that off the court or it can't be a good situation.


sooo...what's Maya's contract like? Is she too sweet of a person to force her way out of MN? Welcome to Dallas MM! Razz


She has a house in Atlanta...


Atlanta doesnt have a coach proximity rules! #WelcomeToDallas Maya Ref #4 Moore Laughing



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Im sorry you referencing 2015 is really stretching it. Lol we will see in 2018 when my Wings murder the Merc. Smh And you know it too lol thats why your always wishing negativity upon cambages return also bc you know we will be a real contender. Thanks Zune?


You couldn't dispute my argument/facts.So you changed the narrative,and falsely accuse me of being negative towards Cambage when I'm just being realistic about the situation.I've clearly stated that if Cambage shows up,the wings have the talent to be a title contender.However,she still needs to show up.Cambage has played 53 out of a possible 238 wnba basketball games since she was drafted in 2011.That's not a very good track record.Cambage has battled a mental disorder,and multiple injuries in recent years.There's a legit cause for concern,or atleast a reason to have some doubt.

If Liz shows up,dallas should be a top 4-6 seed....unless coach Williams screws it up.




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zune69 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:

Im sorry you referencing 2015 is really stretching it. Lol we will see in 2018 when my Wings murder the Merc. Smh And you know it too lol thats why your always wishing negativity upon cambages return also bc you know we will be a real contender. Thanks Zune?


You couldn't dispute my argument/facts so you changed the narrative and falsely accuse me of being negative towords Cambage when I'm just being a realist about the situation.I've clearly stated that if Cambage shows up,the wings have the talent to be a title contender.However,she still needs to show up.Cambage has played 53 out of a possible 238 wnba basketball games since she was drafted in 2011.That's not a very good track record.Cambage has battled mental disorder and multiple injuries in recent years.There's a legit cause for concern,or atleast a reason to have some doubts.

If Liz shows up,dallas should be a top 4 seed....unless coach Williams screws it up.


Should? Sparks, Lynx, Sun witch Chiney, Liberty, healthy Mystics, healthy Mercury are all at worst as good as Wings+Cambage. They can be a top 4 seed, but if they fail I seriously doubt it's on Williams.

Damn it, you edited the post Laughing I concur.


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Aladyyn wrote:

Damn it, you edited the post Laughing I concur.


Had to catch myself Laughing Laughing

Aladyyn wrote:
but if they fail I seriously doubt it's on Williams.


If they don't make the playoffs,it's on Williams.


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zune69 wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:

Damn it, you edited the post Laughing I concur.


Had to catch myself Laughing Laughing

Aladyyn wrote:
but if they fail I seriously doubt it's on Williams.


If they don't make the playoffs,it's on Williams.


They need to fix their defense. Yes Cambage brings some real height to defend the basket but they need to adress their defense if they want to get in the top 4. Williams is IMO not the right coach for that. They (Cambage, Glory etc) need discipline



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PostPosted: 10/02/17 8:03 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Michelle89 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:

Damn it, you edited the post Laughing I concur.


Had to catch myself Laughing Laughing

Aladyyn wrote:
but if they fail I seriously doubt it's on Williams.


If they don't make the playoffs,it's on Williams.


They need to fix their defense. Yes Cambage brings some real height to defend the basket but they need to adress their defense if they want to get in the top 4. Williams is IMO not the right coach for that. They (Cambage, Glory etc) need discipline


+1

And with McCoughtry returning,chicago getting 2 lottery picks,and seattle adding the 5th overall pick,there's no guarantee dallas even makes the playoffs....The wings will have top tier talent,but the head coach ?........


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