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PostPosted: 09/26/17 10:25 am    ::: Criminal indictments are exposing shoe money corruption Reply Reply with quote

in college basketball recruiting. (Just men's so far)

Ok, most people have believed these payouts occurred, but there's now going to be public proof for all to see.

Arizona, Auburn, Oklahoma State and USC, along with Adidas, named so far.

Press conference scheduled for noon today by the US Attorney in Manhattan.

https://sports.yahoo.com/fbi-probe-uncovers-massive-college-basketball-scandal-snaring-big-time-programs-144631716.html


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PostPosted: 09/26/17 11:30 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Which is worse these payments or the on campus antics of services provided?


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PostPosted: 09/26/17 11:49 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Not yet indicted, but evidently Louisville is up to its ass in this as well, and the FBI has videotape of a meeting in Las Vegas with someone who is obviously a Louisville coach discussing a $100,000 payment to Brian Bowen and that they had to be low key about it because they're already on probation.


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PostPosted: 09/26/17 12:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Link to the US Attorney's press conference:

https://t.co/kKr2Eef5Cr?amp=1


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PostPosted: 09/26/17 1:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

USC had a noticeable uptick in recruiting after Tony Bland joined the staff a few years ago. Now we know why.

Interesting that in 2015, he was one of four coaches in the U.S. chosen to participate at the Sports For Community Summit held in Dakar, Senegal to discuss how to improve and impact communities positively through sport.

I wonder if he included "hand out bags of cash" among his recommendations.


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PostPosted: 09/26/17 1:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

You know what they say, there's no business like shoe business



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PostPosted: 09/26/17 1:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
You know what they say, there's no business like shoe business


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PostPosted: 09/26/17 1:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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pilight wrote:
You know what they say, there's no business like shoe business


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PostPosted: 09/26/17 3:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Long time Louisville sportswriter Pat Forde calls for Louisville to get the death penalty if the bribery allegations are true.

Quite a scathing column about hooker-gate and all the rest.

https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-needs-give-louisville-basketball-death-sentence-bombshell-allegations-prove-correct-181930063.html


BTW, in addition to the four schools whose assistant coaches were indicted, sportswriters have identified three other schools as plainly and unambiguously identified in the indictments without being named - Louisville, South Carolina and Miami. I haven't read the three indictments (over 120 pages in total) yet so I'm just recounting what major sportswriters are writing.

These assistants, btw are facing serious jail time. The US Att's chart summarizes the charges and potential sentence against the assistants as "Bribery conspiracy, Solicitation of bribes, Honest services fraud conspiracy, Honest services fraud, Wire fraud conspiracy; Travel Act conspiracy (80 years)."


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PostPosted: 09/26/17 7:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So how many of us are holding our breath and wondering if any of their distaff counterparts were also involved? Given a couple of the schools implicated, this has the potential to get all kinds of ugly.



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PostPosted: 09/26/17 7:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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So how many of us are holding our breath and wondering if any of their distaff counterparts were also involved? Given a couple of the schools implicated, this has the potential to get all kinds of ugly.


The only thing probably saving the women is that they don't earn large enough salaries or sell enough shoes to make bribery worthwhile from an economic standpoint.


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PostPosted: 09/27/17 9:38 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It's all about money, so the women should be relatively well protected from this particular scandal ...

But, mounting my hobby horse once again, what we're really talking about here is that players are worth thousands and thousands of dollars to big-time programs, and this is partially the marketplace at work.

If players were paid what they were worth (whatever that might be), they would not need to take money under the table, or ask for money. And if they had agents, all of this would be regulated and aboveboard.

It is the blatant hypocrisy of the sham that is the NCAA's "amateurism" in a billion-dollar industry that created this situation -- and I hope this is just the beginning of massive reform of a broken and corrupt system.



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PostPosted: 09/27/17 9:44 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'm having a little trouble distinguishing the federal crimes from the NCAA violations. This clearly goes well beyond the NCAA violations - does anyone here know enough for a quick primer?


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PostPosted: 09/27/17 10:48 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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It's all about money, so the women should be relatively well protected from this particular scandal ...

But, mounting my hobby horse once again, what we're really talking about here is that players are worth thousands and thousands of dollars to big-time programs, and this is partially the marketplace at work.

If players were paid what they were worth (whatever that might be), they would not need to take money under the table, or ask for money. And if they had agents, all of this would be regulated and aboveboard.

It is the blatant hypocrisy of the sham that is the NCAA's "amateurism" in a billion-dollar industry that created this situation -- and I hope this is just the beginning of massive reform of a broken and corrupt system.


This has nothing to do with being worth money to schools. This has to do with being worth money to shoe companies and "financial advisors". So the money to be made by slapping a tiny tiny number of players names on a shoe in the future makes it worthwhile to funnel money to a very few families today to get that player to (1) play for a school where he'll wear my shoes next year (his one and only forced year in college) and (2) make a thoroughly unenforceable promise to sign a shoe deal with me the day his one college season ends.

And the prospect of a 20% share of a $15 million rookie contract ( again for an infintessimally small number of players) makes it worth paying off coaches who have that player's trust to steer that player to me for his financial advisor needs.

This indictment has zip to do with your crusade against amateur athletics. Every issue in these indictments would go away ( or shift down to high school players, where it probably exists already) if the NBA and NBAPA simply got rid of the ridiculous one year in college requirement. That's all this is about is a handful of obvious pro-ready players being blocked from turning pro and getting paid under the table while they waste a year of their pro career. That's not the NCAA'S rule or fault.

It also has nothing to do with the other 4000 division I MBB players who aren't obvious first round draft picks. Or Div II or III players. Or about any sport other than men's basketball or rarely FB. (Even star football players don't produce enough shoe revenue to make bribery worthwhile.)

Well, then you could start crusading for high school basketball players to get paid. But in truth, Kevin Durant was more of a "pro" when playing for Montrose Christian (not to mention nearly everyone who ever donned an Oak Hill jersey) than 99% of Div I MBB players will ever be. Wherever you draw the age restriction line, somebody unscrupulous will try to get a jump on it by paying under the table people who are banned from turning pro to try to get a piece of their future pot of of gold.


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PostPosted: 09/27/17 12:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WAPO is reporting Pitino has been fired:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/09/27/rick-pitino-reportedly-fired-by-louisville-in-wake-of-federal-corruption-case/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_pitino-12p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory



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PostPosted: 09/27/17 1:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

And it's cost Auburn a 5-star recruit:
https://deadspin.com/the-fbis-ncaa-sting-has-already-cost-auburn-a-five-star-1818846437

They always talk about Pearl's recruiting violations at UT as if they were enormous, but in the light of this kind of thing they were total bullshit charges. And they were, really.



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PostPosted: 09/27/17 1:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

stever wrote:
WAPO is reporting Pitino has been fired:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/09/27/rick-pitino-reportedly-fired-by-louisville-in-wake-of-federal-corruption-case/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_pitino-12p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory


And athletic director Tom Jurich.

Actually both currently on "unpaid leave" but they're looking for replacements, so "fired" sounds about right.




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PostPosted: 09/27/17 1:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
ClayK wrote:
It's all about money, so the women should be relatively well protected from this particular scandal ...

But, mounting my hobby horse once again, what we're really talking about here is that players are worth thousands and thousands of dollars to big-time programs, and this is partially the marketplace at work.

If players were paid what they were worth (whatever that might be), they would not need to take money under the table, or ask for money. And if they had agents, all of this would be regulated and aboveboard.

It is the blatant hypocrisy of the sham that is the NCAA's "amateurism" in a billion-dollar industry that created this situation -- and I hope this is just the beginning of massive reform of a broken and corrupt system.


This has nothing to do with being worth money to schools. This has to do with being worth money to shoe companies and "financial advisors".


Really? Are you saying that the schools have nothing to gain financially from signing one of these shoe company targets? How about increased ticket sales, merchandising, heightened recruiting visibility for the next target, contract bonuses for wins, a bigger apparel contract and all of the other benefits that the coaches and their schools get from having one of these players on their roster?


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PostPosted: 09/27/17 1:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

mzonefan wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
ClayK wrote:
It's all about money, so the women should be relatively well protected from this particular scandal ...

But, mounting my hobby horse once again, what we're really talking about here is that players are worth thousands and thousands of dollars to big-time programs, and this is partially the marketplace at work.

If players were paid what they were worth (whatever that might be), they would not need to take money under the table, or ask for money. And if they had agents, all of this would be regulated and aboveboard.

It is the blatant hypocrisy of the sham that is the NCAA's "amateurism" in a billion-dollar industry that created this situation -- and I hope this is just the beginning of massive reform of a broken and corrupt system.


This has nothing to do with being worth money to schools. This has to do with being worth money to shoe companies and "financial advisors".


Really? Are you saying that the schools have nothing to gain financially from signing one of these shoe company targets? How about increased ticket sales, merchandising, heightened recruiting visibility for the next target, contract bonuses for wins, a bigger apparel contract and all of the other benefits that the coaches and their schools get from having one of these players on their roster?


The theory of the govt's case is that the schools were victims of the fraud, not beneficiaries.


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PostPosted: 09/27/17 1:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It will all trickle down eventually to the NCAA, and there may wind up being some death penalties, with Louisville being one of them.

That's what my crystal ball says, but don't take it seriously Laughing



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PostPosted: 09/27/17 1:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This is only the beginning.


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PostPosted: 09/27/17 3:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

purduefanatic wrote:
This is only the beginning.


One can only hope.



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PostPosted: 09/27/17 4:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Not necessarily. This fell into the govt's lap because a guy who got convicted of unrelated Securities Act violations offered information up to get a lighter sentence and then cooperated with investigators. That doesn't necessarily mean they'll be able to get evidence on other groups or especially on other shoe companies, and other coaches and advisors are likely going to be a lot more careful about dealing with strangers going forward.

The Adidas VP who was indicted probably knows of things at other Adidas client schools.


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PostPosted: 09/27/17 5:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

purduefanatic wrote:
This is only the beginning.


This could be the sort of thing that ends the "amateurism" sham



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PostPosted: 09/27/17 8:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

@Raoul_000

Asked about FBI probe into corruption in MBB, Notre Dame coach Muffet McGraw claims there's cheating going on in WBB https://www.ndinsider.com/basketball/womens/notebook-notre-dame-women-s-basketball-makes-volunteering-competitive/article_3ea1ee94-a3dd-11e7-a04f-cb46de761483.html

https://twitter.com/Raoul_000/status/913220996697612288


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