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PostPosted: 09/23/17 1:35 pm    ::: LA Sparks White House visit? Reply Reply with quote

With the latest controversy over Steph Curry saying he didn't want to go to the WH so Trump disinvited him I was wondering what happened with the Sparks. I found the following article and I remember reading it at the time where they got a letter from Obama before he left office. In the article at the end it says that they don't know if the Trump WH would invite them and I'm not sure if they would go. Does anyone know if they got invited and turned it down or didn't get invited? Hopefully I didn't open a can of worms with the topic since it has to do with politics. Thanks!

http://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/18514647/president-obama-pens-congratulatory-letter-los-angeles-sparks


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My guess is that the White House basically knew they'd turn it down, so quietly didn't invite them. It just would've led to a quieter version of the brouhaha that's going on with Curry now (because far fewer people care about the WNBA), but with the added element of women being involved. Doubt the drama was worth it on either side.

Considering it's all come up again right now though, the players might well be asked about it this week. And get to say they wouldn't go even though they probably weren't invited.



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Trump was never going to invite them



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PostPosted: 09/23/17 2:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
My guess is that the White House basically knew they'd turn it down, so quietly didn't invite them. It just would've led to a quieter version of the brouhaha that's going on with Curry now (because far fewer people care about the WNBA), but with the added element of women being involved. Doubt the drama was worth it on either side.

Considering it's all come up again right now though, the players might well be asked about it this week. And get to say they wouldn't go even though they probably weren't invited.


Thanks! That is what I was thinking. They also probably didn't like that Obama already sent a note and that they tried to go before he left.


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PostPosted: 09/23/17 3:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
My guess is that the White House basically knew they'd turn it down, so quietly didn't invite them. It just would've led to a quieter version of the brouhaha that's going on with Curry now (because far fewer people care about the WNBA), but with the added element of women being involved. Doubt the drama was worth it on either side.

Considering it's all come up again right now though, the players might well be asked about it this week. And get to say they wouldn't go even though they probably weren't invited.


I have no information, but I'd say this is an excellent guess.



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PostPosted: 09/23/17 3:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I doubt any teams visit the White House during #45's run.



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PostPosted: 09/23/17 4:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

UNC declining invitation now



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PostPosted: 09/23/17 4:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It's going to look really bad when Olympic Medalists start refusing invitations.

Trump is reacting to the protests with the same knee jerks as always: calling names and spewing vulgarities.



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PostPosted: 09/23/17 6:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think Obama should offer an invitation to these teams at his place. How freaking great would that be?



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PostPosted: 09/23/17 7:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

justintyme wrote:
I think Obama should offer an invitation to these teams at his place. How freaking great would that be?

That would be awesome


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PostPosted: 09/23/17 9:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Great. Thanks for posting this.



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Didn't Delle Donne have her own tweeting controversy?



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PostPosted: 09/24/17 12:13 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Didn't Delle Donne have her own tweeting controversy?

Yes, but that was a much smaller scale. And, she's not president.



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PostPosted: 09/24/17 1:24 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Or athletes could simply stick to being athletes and not interject politics into the game. Doing so comes with serious dangers. Most people tuning in to sporting events are not interested in watching a cause. Quite the contrary. No debating we have a serious divide in the US right now. Should any league risk alienating 1/2 of its potential market? Probably not. When Lynx incident occurred Glenn Taylor (who is probably the most supportive owner in the league) warned them to cease immediately, which they did. The NFL is having serious ratings issues right now as well. There are several factors in play, but politics is certainly one of them. A word of caution to all athletes: Tread carefully on this minefield.


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PostPosted: 09/24/17 2:36 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

A word of thanks to athletes: That they are willing to jeopardise their own incomes for the sake of bigger, more important issues, only increases my respect for them. They have access to a platform, and they're willing to use it. Treading carefully is not needed when the cause is simply equality. Treading carefully has got too many people nowhere for too long. I'm loving the real talk.



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PostPosted: 09/24/17 2:41 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

josephkramer44 wrote:
Or athletes could simply stick to being athletes and not interject politics into the game. Doing so comes with serious dangers. Most people tuning in to sporting events are not interested in watching a cause. Quite the contrary. No debating we have a serious divide in the US right now. Should any league risk alienating 1/2 of its potential market? Probably not. When Lynx incident occurred Glenn Taylor (who is probably the most supportive owner in the league) warned them to cease immediately, which they did. The NFL is having serious ratings issues right now as well. There are several factors in play, but politics is certainly one of them. A word of caution to all athletes: Tread carefully on this minefield.

Sorry, but no. When you have a platform to make a difference, you have a moral imperative to use it when you see things that are reprehensible. Being on the stage that they are comes with a ton of scrutiny and invasion of their privacy. They are not allowed to live a life as private as we are. So how shitty is it for us to demand that this only go one way? That we alone get to choose when to expand this relationship outside of sports/tv/movies.

As far as whether or not the protests are acceptable while the employees are on the clock, that is between the employer and the employee. Why should we be the ones concerned about their ratings? That is the league's prerogative and they can do as they see fit. Really what people are saying when they pretend that they care about the NFL's ratings is, "Well, I don't like what they are doing, so I'm going to draw some weak correlations to show that the league should put an end to it".

And you are mistaken about Glen Taylor. He was given a heads up about the player's actions before hand and did not stand in their way. The league released a statement saying that they would fine any players who were out of uniform in the future, but would not issue a fine for the Lynx doing it that once. As a team they agreed that their statement had been made and that they didn't want to press the league's forbearance. Taylor stayed out of it.

I have never been prouder of my Lynx, than I was when they took that stand.



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josephkramer44 wrote:
Or athletes could simply stick to being athletes and not interject politics into the game. Doing so comes with serious dangers. Most people tuning in to sporting events are not interested in watching a cause. Quite the contrary. No debating we have a serious divide in the US right now. Should any league risk alienating 1/2 of its potential market? Probably not. When Lynx incident occurred Glenn Taylor (who is probably the most supportive owner in the league) warned them to cease immediately, which they did. The NFL is having serious ratings issues right now as well. There are several factors in play, but politics is certainly one of them. A word of caution to all athletes: Tread carefully on this minefield.


newflash everything on television is having ratings issues...


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Mysticsfan12 wrote:
Shades wrote:
Didn't Delle Donne have her own tweeting controversy?

Yes, but that was a much smaller scale. And, she's not president.


Thank goodness she's not the President. I'm just saying she's not exactly the best rep for how to use twitter. Weren't there other WNBA players who spoke out?



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josephkramer44 wrote:
Or athletes could simply stick to being athletes and not interject politics into the game. Doing so comes with serious dangers. Most people tuning in to sporting events are not interested in watching a cause. Quite the contrary. No debating we have a serious divide in the US right now. Should any league risk alienating 1/2 of its potential market? Probably not. When Lynx incident occurred Glenn Taylor (who is probably the most supportive owner in the league) warned them to cease immediately, which they did. The NFL is having serious ratings issues right now as well. There are several factors in play, but politics is certainly one of them. A word of caution to all athletes: Tread carefully on this minefield.


The NFL will be around a lot longer than Donald Trump. They have nothing to worry about. I'm was never an NFL fan but I am now.


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PostPosted: 09/24/17 8:33 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
Didn't Delle Donne have her own tweeting controversy?


Yea but that was about shoes, not racism...


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josephkramer44 wrote:
Or athletes could simply stick to being athletes and not interject politics into the game. Doing so comes with serious dangers. Most people tuning in to sporting events are not interested in watching a cause. Quite the contrary. No debating we have a serious divide in the US right now. Should any league risk alienating 1/2 of its potential market? Probably not. When Lynx incident occurred Glenn Taylor (who is probably the most supportive owner in the league) warned them to cease immediately, which they did. The NFL is having serious ratings issues right now as well. There are several factors in play, but politics is certainly one of them. A word of caution to all athletes: Tread carefully on this minefield.

Sorry, but no. When you have a platform to make a difference, you have a moral imperative to use it when you see things that are reprehensible. Being on the stage that they are comes with a ton of scrutiny and invasion of their privacy. They are not allowed to live a life as private as we are. So how shitty is it for us to demand that this only go one way? That we alone get to choose when to expand this relationship outside of sports/tv/movies.

As far as whether or not the protests are acceptable while the employees are on the clock, that is between the employer and the employee. Why should we be the ones concerned about their ratings? That is the league's prerogative and they can do as they see fit. Really what people are saying when they pretend that they care about the NFL's ratings is, "Well, I don't like what they are doing, so I'm going to draw some weak correlations to show that the league should put an end to it".

And you are mistaken about Glen Taylor. He was given a heads up about the player's actions before hand and did not stand in their way. The league released a statement saying that they would fine any players who were out of uniform in the future, but would not issue a fine for the Lynx doing it that once. As a team they agreed that their statement had been made and that they didn't want to press the league's forbearance. Taylor stayed out of it.

I have never been prouder of my Lynx, than I was when they took that stand.


Well said, justintyme. As a fan of the Liberty, I felt proud of the way our players showed their support for Black Lives Matter and the same for WNBA players from other teams. Of course it's great when athletes, actors, musicians, and others in the public eye use their platform to stand for social justice.

As for the NFL, wow, are we supposed to worry that the NFL might fold because of these protests? (Or the NBA?) Is the NFL in danger of losing all its TV contracts? Are huge numbers of fans going to boycott today's NFL games and in the future because the racist fool in the White House says they should? Smile



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PostPosted: 09/24/17 8:59 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

DC mayor invites Golden State Warriors to city

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/352094-dc-mayor-invites-golden-state-warriors-to-city

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D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser invited the Golden State Warriors to visit the city, just hours after the team said they wouldn't visit the White House because President Trump disinvited one of their star players.

"While you're here, Warriors, we are happy to identify ways for you to celebrate equality, diversity, and inclusion - what we call DC values," Bowser said in a statement Saturday.

"And if anyone ever tells you that you cannot come to DC, tell them Mayor Bowser invited you."



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It's already begun today (Sunday) because in an NFL game in London two dozen NFL players protested during the U.S. national anthem. Hundreds more will as today continues:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/ct-nfl-national-anthem-kneeling-20170924-story.html



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josephkramer44 wrote:
Or athletes could simply stick to being athletes and not interject politics into the game. Doing so comes with serious dangers. Most people tuning in to sporting events are not interested in watching a cause. Quite the contrary. No debating we have a serious divide in the US right now. Should any league risk alienating 1/2 of its potential market? Probably not. When Lynx incident occurred Glenn Taylor (who is probably the most supportive owner in the league) warned them to cease immediately, which they did. The NFL is having serious ratings issues right now as well. There are several factors in play, but politics is certainly one of them. A word of caution to all athletes: Tread carefully on this minefield.


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josephkramer44 wrote:
Or athletes could simply stick to being athletes and not interject politics into the game. Doing so comes with serious dangers. Most people tuning in to sporting events are not interested in watching a cause. Quite the contrary. No debating we have a serious divide in the US right now. Should any league risk alienating 1/2 of its potential market? Probably not. When Lynx incident occurred Glenn Taylor (who is probably the most supportive owner in the league) warned them to cease immediately, which they did. The NFL is having serious ratings issues right now as well. There are several factors in play, but politics is certainly one of them. A word of caution to all athletes: Tread carefully on this minefield.

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josephkramer44 wrote:
Or athletes could simply stick to being athletes and not interject politics into the game. Doing so comes with serious dangers. Most people tuning in to sporting events are not interested in watching a cause. Quite the contrary. No debating we have a serious divide in the US right now. Should any league risk alienating 1/2 of its potential market? Probably not. When Lynx incident occurred Glenn Taylor (who is probably the most supportive owner in the league) warned them to cease immediately, which they did. The NFL is having serious ratings issues right now as well. There are several factors in play, but politics is certainly one of them. A word of caution to all athletes: Tread carefully on this minefield.

Sorry, but no. When you have a platform to make a difference, you have a moral imperative to use it when you see things that are reprehensible. Being on the stage that they are comes with a ton of scrutiny and invasion of their privacy. They are not allowed to live a life as private as we are. So how shitty is it for us to demand that this only go one way? That we alone get to choose when to expand this relationship outside of sports/tv/movies.

As far as whether or not the protests are acceptable while the employees are on the clock, that is between the employer and the employee. Why should we be the ones concerned about their ratings? That is the league's prerogative and they can do as they see fit. Really what people are saying when they pretend that they care about the NFL's ratings is, "Well, I don't like what they are doing, so I'm going to draw some weak correlations to show that the league should put an end to it".

And you are mistaken about Glen Taylor. He was given a heads up about the player's actions before hand and did not stand in their way. The league released a statement saying that they would fine any players who were out of uniform in the future, but would not issue a fine for the Lynx doing it that once. As a team they agreed that their statement had been made and that they didn't want to press the league's forbearance. Taylor stayed out of it.

I have never been prouder of my Lynx, than I was when they took that stand.

When you work for a company, you represent the company. So unless you have the OK from the NFL, WNBA, what ever, you do not have the RIGHT to do this, or you face the consequences. Luckily for these athletes, the people who run these leagues either have no cojones and also are probably ultra liberal, so they agree with them, so they won't even enforce their own policies. The majority of the country does NOT agree with these entitled self-righteous athletes disrespecting our country (as do I). They have a right to do it (if they league allows it). And we have every right to disagree with them, even if they are allowed to do it by the company/league.



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josephkramer44 wrote:
Or athletes could simply stick to being athletes and not interject politics into the game. Doing so comes with serious dangers. Most people tuning in to sporting events are not interested in watching a cause. Quite the contrary. No debating we have a serious divide in the US right now. Should any league risk alienating 1/2 of its potential market? Probably not. When Lynx incident occurred Glenn Taylor (who is probably the most supportive owner in the league) warned them to cease immediately, which they did. The NFL is having serious ratings issues right now as well. There are several factors in play, but politics is certainly one of them. A word of caution to all athletes: Tread carefully on this minefield.


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This is a pic of almost the entire WNBA and most of it's fans:




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Protest equality? What is everyone protesting over? Where is there inequality in the US? Yes some people have it better and easier. Yes if you were born into money it is easier to make money and start out. But unfortunately that is not how life works. Some people will be born into better circumstances than others but that will always be the case everywhere. Systematic racism does not exist here in the US and if a place or entity or group of people is practicing it they do so at their own peril (both legally and morally). One simply has to make the best of whatever their situation is. What is Trump doing that is so particularly evil? I think he has a bad haircut and could use a lesson or two in common courtesy and etiquette but he won the election fair and square. In around three years we will have the chance to pick another leader. Beauty of the US.
Do I think US police are in general too quick to shoot and uncivil in their dealings with the community? Yes and no. It varies greatly between the different departments (the guys around where I live are pretty mellow but I live in Mayberry if it had crystal meth). Which of course has nothing to do with protesting the national anthem. If you feel that way go out and protest the police by following officers who have a history of misconduct around with cameras (a tactic I agree with completely) or help to get a new sheriff elected. Or a mayor who will change the PD politics. By the way certain people in MPLS/St. Paul discussed the Lynx issue with Taylor afterwards and low and behold the protests and commentating stopped.
Why else are people protesting? The garbage that happened in Virginia? A few hundred Larpers and radical leftists threw a few fists and tear gas filled the air. Not the end of the world. Happens in lots of places. The blame for that could be placed on a mayor who ordered police to stand down, rather than keep the opposing sides apart. Where was the logic in that? That once again is on the local level, it has little to do with Trump. By the way from the videos I saw I noticed a lot of Hammer and Sickle flags as well as Confederate flags. If I am near people flying either flag my response is the same. Take it somewhere else. That is me putting it politely as well.
Where as I agree that slavery was a great wrong (and I have seen it in practice up close) the only cool thing about communism is the fact that without communism we would not have many of our best citizens and friends here in the US. For millions have fled socialism to come here. Miami was built by Cubans fleeing Castro (fly a hammer and sickle flag there and see what happens). Being from Minneapolis I had lots of friends from Southeast Asia growing up. They are all here thanks to socialism. One of my niche products appeals greatly to Vietnamese so I have met many ARVN vets and their families here in the US and because I love history I have had the opportunity to discuss their pasts with them (they are thrilled such a young guy knows places and names they never thought a westerner would know). How hard they fought, the dark aftermath, the hunger in places that were once bountiful, the years they spent in reeducation camps. It goes on and on. We have it great here and we should all try to continue to improve on it.
Twitter is a new form of media. I'm not surprised a President is using it. Nor am I surprised that the President has personal opinions. Do I agree with all of them, heck no. Did I agree with all of what Obama or Bush had to say? Of course not. But they are now gone and the nation is still standing. It will be standing after 45 is out of office, be it three or seven years from now. I sincerely doubt many US citizens have ever faced oppression like they imagine they do. What exactly is going wrong is what I want to ask these kneelers and what do you want? What are your solutions? I doubt many of them have a good answer. That is part of what is hurting these people's credibility. No solid message and certainly no solutions. Colin K. certainly didn't have anything real insightful to say. Simply a few recycled talking points.

PS I am not the only one who worries about ratings. Professional sports is a business (some people accuse the WNBA of being a charity) and if ratings tank then see how fast corporate sponsorship monies tank and other residuals. Why did the ESPN bloodbath happen? For those exact reasons. And ESPN has decided to double down. I would be money with an escrow agent online with anyone who thinks ESPN2 is going to be around in five years in its current form at the rate it is going. Once again if sports figures stay out of politics they do not risk antagonizing anyone. IF they step in (be it on the right or left) they risk antagonizing the other side and that is not a great business model.


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Wow.


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No inequality? No systemic racism? You live in a really different world than I do. But at least on this point you are arguing the issue, rather than telling someone who has had a different life experience from you that they should "know their place" (which is what saying "just play sports" is when you are not a member of the employer/employee relationship)

But the idea of no inequality is laughable. You can simply look at the statistics. People of color are disproportionately poor, are less likely to attend college or other post-secondary institution, and are bunch of other glaring issues. This is observable, measurable, objective fact. So, why is that the case?

Either you believe:
1) People of color are disproportionately lazy or less capable than white people, in which case you are more than just a little racist

Or

2) There are barriers in place due to our long history of oppression of people of color, which has led to some major disadvantages and, quite simply, the system failing them (i.e.: inequality/systemic racism).

By the way, your concern for the league's ratings and the belief that the player should just play is not held by the league's owners. The owner of the Jacksonville, Jaguars just took the field and knelt with his team during today's National Anthem...



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Yeah, standard duck and parry move. I'm just a racist. You forgot to mention the fact I was homophobic, sexist and an islamophobe as well. In regards to that try finding someone I have associated with in Niamey, Paris, Pyongyang, Beijing, Berlin, Chicago or Nouakchott that would consider me a racist. Racist thugs like me spend our Xmas vacations in Koure and Ndjamena, because Ndjamena is a real hotbed of white supremacy and radical thought. I have attended prayers at mosques with ten thousand people at the same time and have bowed to statues of people I don't agree with to show respect to my hosts and that I appreciate their customs and respect their beliefs. Simply because I find these protests to lack both a coherent message and merit does not make me a racist and I don't particularly appreciate the personal attack.

Complete strangers who look nothing like me and who can't speak any of the languages I know (English, Francais, Deutsch) have invited me into their homes and cooked me meals over an open fire and given me the best mosquito net in the home to sleep under, people who have never seen a guy that looks like me before (blonde straight hair with blue eyes) have pulled me out of a marathon before and gave me beer to drink while taking selfies with me (its amazing how much you can talk with your hands when you need to). I am a very charitable and affable person and people across the world will attest to that. I'm probably more charitable than you. Have you ever helped with anyone's irrigation system? Or cleaned up a historic baroque city after a massive flood? Or grabbed a child who was running into an uncleared minefield?

Yes, fewer minorities attend university here in the US. What is stopping them? There are no legal barriers and there are plenty of spots available in numerous Universities across the US. However a huge part of poverty is due to the problem of single parent homes in the US. It is not a crime to have children out of wedlock, quite the contrary. However having only one parent to take care of children is generally speaking a one way ticket to a lifetime of hard work and less reward. There is less money, time, resources and attention to spread around. It is also real important that boys and girls have both quality male and female role models while growing up (one of the main reasons I am a supporter of the WNBA). I grew up in a single parent home for the most part, with four siblings (although we are all from the same two parents and have good relationships with both of our parents) and it was more difficult. No debating that. However one can't just give up before life really starts.
You might mention the poor state of schools in the inner cities. Yes they are dropout factories and kids are not learning what they should there. However they are some of the best funded in the US! They get far more money per pupil than the average school. The answer is probably massive corruption and unqualified people in charge of these schools but no one with an interest in those systems wants to hear that. They just want more money without any oversight.
What are these other barriers that you mention? What is stopping anyone from attending university here in the US (although that is no longer a guarantee to a better life)? Where is this hidden apartheid system you speak of? Who is responsible for depriving these people of their rights in the US? If you could point those people out I can assure you I would be among the first making sure those pulling that garbage are punished or at the least marginalized. Or are you just going to use a few standard anecdotes?

Also the Jaguars are one of the league's worst franchises and just wait for the fallout. This is going to be a rough year for the NFL.


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PostPosted: 09/24/17 11:38 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It will be very interesting to see how players from the Lynx and Sparks handle today's National Anthem. I hope many show their solidarity with players from the NFL who've been trashed by our Racist-in-Chief, just as NBA players and now one baseball player have shown their solidarity.



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PostPosted: 09/24/17 11:47 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The Pittsburgh Penguins announced they have accepted their invite to the White House today.



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PostPosted: 09/24/17 12:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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The Pittsburgh Penguins announced they have accepted their invite to the White House today.


NHL being spineless, no surprise.


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PostPosted: 09/24/17 12:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

http://www.postandcourier.com/sports/staley-wants-to-go-to-white-house-but-where-is/article_45926e5c-a092-11e7-9b66-e379a7416081.html

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Dawn Staley wants to take the national champion South Carolina women’s basketball team, but where's the invitation?

A USC spokesperson said Saturday that if an invite to visit President Donald Trump in Washington has been received, she was unaware of it. Staley said months ago that when the invitation comes, she will definitely accept.



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PostPosted: 09/24/17 1:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Should we be surprised #45 won't invite any women's teams to the WH?? He probably opposes women playing sports.



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PostPosted: 09/24/17 1:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Should we be surprised #45 won't invite any women's teams to the WH?? He probably opposes women playing sports.

Depends on the uniforms.



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PostPosted: 09/24/17 1:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Or athletes could simply stick to being athletes and not interject politics into the game...


Politics have been a part of sports as long as professional sports leagues have existed. Longer than that, even.



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PostPosted: 09/24/17 1:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

josephkramer44 wrote:
... Systematic racism does not exist here in the US...


Them lies. If you really believe that, I don't need to listen to anything else you have to say.

Also, the word you were looking for is systemic.



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PostPosted: 09/24/17 1:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
http://www.postandcourier.com/sports/staley-wants-to-go-to-white-house-but-where-is/article_45926e5c-a092-11e7-9b66-e379a7416081.html

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Dawn Staley wants to take the national champion South Carolina women’s basketball team, but where's the invitation?

A USC spokesperson said Saturday that if an invite to visit President Donald Trump in Washington has been received, she was unaware of it. Staley said months ago that when the invitation comes, she will definitely accept.

I'd be interested to see if any of the USC players would say they aren't going despite their coach/school accepting the invitation.



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PostPosted: 09/24/17 3:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Yeah, standard duck and parry move. I'm just a racist. You forgot to mention the fact I was homophobic, sexist and an islamophobe as well.

Yeah standard scarecrow argument. No one called you racist. I said that if someone believes that people of color are inherently lazy or less capable than white people they are racist. Seeing as that is the very definition of racism this is not even close to a provocative statement or personal attack. Unless you actually do believe these things, then it would be more than justified.

Since POC are obviously not less capable the fact that they continue to live in poverty, face more crime and worse schools, and a slew of other negative circumstances, tells us that this country has failed them. And that failure is a systemic issue. I would suggest that you actually reseach what systemic racism is, because it explains execly the barriers that are being faced. It is not some nefarious white supremacist going home from the office and bragging to all his clan buddies at the cross burning about how he stuck it to the Black Man today. Rather it is that people are more likely to give breaks, benefits of the doubt, extra support and mentorships to people who look, talk, walk in the same social circles, and share other similarities to themselves. The are more likely to empathize and understand people share their cultural background. And they are more likely to assume the worst about people who don't share these things. Think about the last time someone said something about how some African American would do better "if they learned proper English". That the white powers that be defined "proper English" in their own image is seldom considered.

No, this is an issue and it has a long history of being the case. CK has more than enough cause to feel the county is failing POC.

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Also the Jaguars are one of the league's worst franchises and just wait for the fallout. This is going to be a rough year for the NFL.

Your bias is showing.

If this were a factor, the NBA which is much more demonstrative than the NFL would be facing major declines. They aren't.



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PostPosted: 09/24/17 3:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Silky Johnson wrote:
josephkramer44 wrote:
Or athletes could simply stick to being athletes and not interject politics into the game...


Politics have been a part of sports as long as professional sports leagues have existed. Longer than that, even.


And it's just entertainment. Why should pro athletes avoid politics any more than Hollywood actors and directors?

How are Kaepernick or Richard Sherman any different than Alec Baldwin or Susan Sarandon or Jennifer Lawrence or Robert DeNiro?


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PostPosted: 09/24/17 3:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
Silky Johnson wrote:
josephkramer44 wrote:
Or athletes could simply stick to being athletes and not interject politics into the game...


Politics have been a part of sports as long as professional sports leagues have existed. Longer than that, even.


And it's just entertainment. Why should pro athletes avoid politics any more than Hollywood actors and directors?

How are Kaepernick or Richard Sherman any different than Alec Baldwin or Susan Sarandon or Jennifer Lawrence or Robert DeNiro?


Or Kid Rock or Mike Ditka or Trump himself before he decided to run for office?



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PostPosted: 09/24/17 4:37 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Silky Johnson wrote:
josephkramer44 wrote:
... Systematic racism does not exist here in the US...


Them lies. If you really believe that, I don't need to listen to anything else you have to say.

Also, the word you were looking for is systemic.


Oh my god, heaven forbid my spellchecker screw me over. Nothing like that has ever happened before. I commend you for your intelligence and your debating skills. I can just imagine all of the amazing and stimulating conversations around your dinner table.


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Name the institutions of our nation that are holding these people back. Name the people in charge of these institutions that are holding people back. Just give us all a few examples. Any whatsoever. Or are you comfortable simply using broad generalizations and anecdotes? Also how are any of these Donald Trump's fault? No one ever accused him of being a bigot when he was a developer. Just a bully (which he is). One thing I do strongly believe is that poverty breeds poverty but that has nothing to do with race. Has the nation "failed" poor whites? There are many many poor whites in the country as well as poor minorities.

As far as bias being shown check out your avatar. But I suppose that attitude is okay and completely acceptable because of the validity and morality of whatever you think.

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josephkramer44 wrote:
Yeah, standard duck and parry move. I'm just a racist. You forgot to mention the fact I was homophobic, sexist and an islamophobe as well.

Yeah standard scarecrow argument. No one called you racist. I said that if someone believes that people of color are inherently lazy or less capable than white people they are racist. Seeing as that is the very definition of racism this is not even close to a provocative statement or personal attack. Unless you actually do believe these things, then it would be more than justified.

Since POC are obviously not less capable the fact that they continue to live in poverty, face more crime and worse schools, and a slew of other negative circumstances, tells us that this country has failed them. And that failure is a systemic issue. I would suggest that you actually reseach what systemic racism is, because it explains execly the barriers that are being faced. It is not some nefarious white supremacist going home from the office and bragging to all his clan buddies at the cross burning about how he stuck it to the Black Man today. Rather it is that people are more likely to give breaks, benefits of the doubt, extra support and mentorships to people who look, talk, walk in the same social circles, and share other similarities to themselves. The are more likely to empathize and understand people share their cultural background. And they are more likely to assume the worst about people who don't share these things. Think about the last time someone said something about how some African American would do better "if they learned proper English". That the white powers that be defined "proper English" in their own image is seldom considered.

No, this is an issue and it has a long history of being the case. CK has more than enough cause to feel the county is failing POC.

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Also the Jaguars are one of the league's worst franchises and just wait for the fallout. This is going to be a rough year for the NFL.

Your bias is showing.

If this were a factor, the NBA which is much more demonstrative than the NFL would be facing major declines. They aren't.


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PostPosted: 09/24/17 4:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Simple solution is to get rid of playing the national anthem at games. It was started in WWII to drum up patriotism and then didn't stop (as it had when they did in in WWI). I do not like it when I have come to a college game and someone tells me I need to stand up, remove any hat, and turn towards a flag. It's a sporting event, not an inauguration.

Also, get rid of sports teams going to the White House for a photo op. Have White House photo ops with people who have done something extraordinary to help in their communities.


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PostPosted: 09/24/17 5:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Silky Johnson wrote:
josephkramer44 wrote:
Or athletes could simply stick to being athletes and not interject politics into the game...


Politics have been a part of sports as long as professional sports leagues have existed. Longer than that, even.


Thanks, Silky, though it's a shame you had to take time to say this. But, wait: I guess there were no "politics" in sports when professional athletes had no unions or bargaining rights, when African Americans were banned from the major professional sports, when women's sports barely existed and were mainly treated as a joke, when the pro-Nazi Avery Brundage ran the U.S. Olympic Committee for decades. For some, the day-to-day proceedings of injustice aren't called "politics." It's only "politics" when someone challenges injustice.



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