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PostPosted: 06/18/18 4:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

On the defensive end Rudy Gobert might be a better comparison. He averages 10 rpg in 48 minutes so a little more than 8 per 40 minutes.

Griner could probably improve her rebounding a little bit, but her impact defensively balances it out pretty well.

Kind of like the offensive player who doesn't shoot the best percentage but gets to the free throw line at a higher rate than most.


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PostPosted: 06/18/18 6:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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On the defensive end Rudy Gobert might be a better comparison. He averages 10 rpg in 48 minutes so a little more than 8 per 40 minutes.

Griner could probably improve her rebounding a little bit, but her impact defensively balances it out pretty well.

Kind of like the offensive player who doesn't shoot the best percentage but gets to the free throw line at a higher rate than most.


Yeah - the Eiffel Tower is probably a more fair comparison than a guy from ancient times. Smile



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PostPosted: 06/18/18 8:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Rudy Gobert had the 11th-highest rebound rate in the NBA this season, reflecting what complete nonsense the idea that great shot-blockers don't rebound is. Capela was 3rd in block percentage, 5th in rebound-rate; Embiid 7th in blocks, 8th in rebounding; Howard 10th in blocks, 4th in rebounding - the list goes on.

For what it's worth, by my count Griner is currently 42nd in the WNBA in rebound rate (admittedly including several people who've played very few minutes). She's just below Cecilia Zandalasini.



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Rudy Gobert had the 11th-highest rebound rate in the NBA this season, reflecting what complete nonsense the idea that great shot-blockers don't rebound is. Capela was 3rd in block percentage, 5th in rebound-rate; Embiid 7th in blocks, 8th in rebounding; Howard 10th in blocks, 4th in rebounding - the list goes on.

For what it's worth, by my count Griner is currently 42nd in the WNBA in rebound rate (admittedly including several people who've played very few minutes). She's just below Cecilia Zandalasini.


Right, because exceptions to the rule, mean the rule is bogus.



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Sancho Lyttle is done for the year with a torn ACL



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Sancho Lyttle is done for the year with a torn ACL


Damn. Poor Lyttle.

Phoenix is gonna struggle without her.

Hoping for a for a fast and full recovery.



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Sancho Lyttle is done for the year with a torn ACL


Confused Looked like a ACL tear right away. How her knee buckled. Hopefully she can get back to a decent level. She was having a pretty good season



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At her age, I have a feeling thats the last we’ve seen from Sancho Lyttle.


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Any word on Camille Little? She went down in the end of the game aswell.



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That's too bad for Sancho. :/



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Bad break for Sancho, but I hope this means more playing time for Gulich.



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At her age, I have a feeling thats the last we’ve seen from Sancho Lyttle.


that was my thought too as soon as I saw her go down. But who knows, she may be able to surprise us and return. It's just that it's likely to be two years and she'll be 37 then. hard cheese.



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Ay Mate wrote:
At her age, I have a feeling thats the last we’ve seen from Sancho Lyttle.


that was my thought too as soon as I saw her go down. But who knows, she may be able to surprise us and return. It's just that it's likely to be two years and she'll be 37 then. hard cheese.


Naw. She’s done. If they bring in Little to the starting lineup, they’re in trouble.


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Ay Mate wrote:
myrtle wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
At her age, I have a feeling thats the last we’ve seen from Sancho Lyttle.


that was my thought too as soon as I saw her go down. But who knows, she may be able to surprise us and return. It's just that it's likely to be two years and she'll be 37 then. hard cheese.


Naw. She’s done. If they bring in Little to the starting lineup, they’re in trouble.


Can they brin back Emma Cannon? Mister Bass? Maybe Bulgak?


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Bad break for Sancho, but I hope this means more playing time for Gulich.


Their defense will take a hit with Sancho out



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Ay Mate wrote:
At her age, I have a feeling thats the last we’ve seen from Sancho Lyttle.


that was my thought too as soon as I saw her go down. But who knows, she may be able to surprise us and return. It's just that it's likely to be two years and she'll be 37 then. hard cheese.


Could be a career ending injury for Sancho at least for the WNBA. She seems to have more success overseas so maybe she will just play in Europe if she makes a comeback.

As for the Mercury - will they try to make a deal to get a replacement PF? Seems to me that about now they must be regretting trading away DuPre and/or Harrison for players that didn't produce much.



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As for the Mercury - will they try to make a deal to get a replacement PF? Seems to me that about now they must be regretting trading away DuPre and/or Harrison for players that didn't produce much.


Who would they get? No contender is going to help them.

They traded away Candace Dupree and Izzy Harrison already. Glory Johnson is a non-option for this team. Kelsey Bone also burned her bridges in Phoenix. Kiah Stokes? Cheyenne Parker?



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pilight wrote:
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As for the Mercury - will they try to make a deal to get a replacement PF? Seems to me that about now they must be regretting trading away DuPre and/or Harrison for players that didn't produce much.


Who would they get? No contender is going to help them.

They traded away Candace Dupree and Izzy Harrison already. Glory Johnson is a non-option for this team. Kelsey Bone also burned her bridges in Phoenix. Kiah Stokes? Cheyenne Parker?


They could sign Emma Cannon or Larkins. They are on the short side of their position but they can help. Cannon would make sense because she is familiar with the team and their system.


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Yeah, I was thinking Larkins, if healthy. She is a rebounder which is what they will miss most from Sancho's absence. And she's not afraid to bang a bit as well.



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Larkins would seem to be a good fit for the team's biggest need - rebounding.

That being said, Phoenix presented a tough matchup defensively, going 6-4/6-5/6-9 across the frontcourt positions. Larkins is basically 6-1, and while she is a force on the boards for her size, she does not have the athleticism or leaping ability of a Lyttle, even at this stage in Sancho's career.

Kiah Stokes makes sense from rebounding, but can she defend mobile 4s? Does she have the shooting range to at least 15 feet on a consistent basis? And with what asset would Phoenix be willing to part to acquire her?


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June 30 -- Minnesota Kizer, Lynette Waived; previously on Merc roster, would be a good addition, if healthy. Anyone know why Minny released her?


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June 30 -- Minnesota Kizer, Lynette Waived; previously on Merc roster, would be a good addition, if healthy. Anyone know why Minny released her?


Probably the same reason PHX got rid of her as well Laughing



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The rumor was that Larkins was signing with the Lynx. I still question whether Larkins has anything left in the tank, but under the Cappie rule - the player knows best.



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Larkins would seem to be a good fit for the team's biggest need - rebounding.

That being said, Phoenix presented a tough matchup defensively, going 6-4/6-5/6-9 across the frontcourt positions. Larkins is basically 6-1, and while she is a force on the boards for her size, she does not have the athleticism or leaping ability of a Lyttle, even at this stage in Sancho's career.

Kiah Stokes makes sense from rebounding, but can she defend mobile 4s? Does she have the shooting range to at least 15 feet on a consistent basis? And with what asset would Phoenix be willing to part to acquire her?


You're not going to get someone who can give you everything Lyttle did without paying a hefty price.

My guess is that Camille Little will move into the starting lineup and they'll bring in someone like Cannon for insurance.



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pilight wrote:
Randy wrote:
As for the Mercury - will they try to make a deal to get a replacement PF? Seems to me that about now they must be regretting trading away DuPre and/or Harrison for players that didn't produce much.


Who would they get? No contender is going to help them.

They traded away Candace Dupree and Izzy Harrison already. Glory Johnson is a non-option for this team. Kelsey Bone also burned her bridges in Phoenix. Kiah Stokes? Cheyenne Parker?


They could sign Emma Cannon or Larkins.


Can they? I thought a team had to be down two players to sign a replacement.



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Shades wrote:
shontay33 wrote:
pilight wrote:
Randy wrote:
As for the Mercury - will they try to make a deal to get a replacement PF? Seems to me that about now they must be regretting trading away DuPre and/or Harrison for players that didn't produce much.


Who would they get? No contender is going to help them.

They traded away Candace Dupree and Izzy Harrison already. Glory Johnson is a non-option for this team. Kelsey Bone also burned her bridges in Phoenix. Kiah Stokes? Cheyenne Parker?


They could sign Emma Cannon or Larkins.


Can they? I thought a team had to be down two players to sign a replacement.


Teams are allowed 12 players. The Merc only have 11.



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Are you saying they could afford 12? If they can afford 12, why don’t they have 12?



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Are you saying they could afford 12? If they can afford 12, why don’t they have 12?


They only need someone for half a season, probably at the vet minimum. They might be able to swing that.



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They could trade somebody to create cap space as well.



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They could trade somebody to create cap space as well.


So let’s say you trade Bonner for Vivians. Now you should have enough cap space to sign Kizer. Is it worth it?



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How do 7-day contracts figure into the cap? Is it just the value of the contract?



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If they need roster/cap space to add someone - and I think their prior moves suggest they would - then just cut somebody. It's not like Brondello actually uses her bench. Talbot, Robinson, even Turner or Gulich - you'd hardly notice if they were gone.

I saw someone talk about how the Mercury aren't deep on Twiiter yesterday - I'm not actually convinced that they're much shallower than most teams. Brondello just doesn't use them.



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Isn’t it too late to cut people? The deadline was reportedly Sunday, therefore all current contracts are guaranteed.



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CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
Larkins would seem to be a good fit for the team's biggest need - rebounding.

That being said, Phoenix presented a tough matchup defensively, going 6-4/6-5/6-9 across the frontcourt positions. Larkins is basically 6-1, and while she is a force on the boards for her size, she does not have the athleticism or leaping ability of a Lyttle, even at this stage in Sancho's career.

Kiah Stokes makes sense from rebounding, but can she defend mobile 4s? Does she have the shooting range to at least 15 feet on a consistent basis? And with what asset would Phoenix be willing to part to acquire her?


I’d hate to part with her, but Kiah Stokes for FLB makes sense for both teams. Turner is starting to take FLB’s minutes, and she’s too good of a player to get 15 minutes a game.

Kiah would pretty much be a younger Lyttle. FLB gives New York a point guard. I love FLB and honestly think she’s the better player, but Kiah fulfills a huge need.



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So Liberty trade Stokes for FLB and sign who?? Larkins' is reportly going to Minnesota. Kizer's back is shot. We need four posts, just can't think of anyone available that could help us now. Maybe Reshanda Gray?



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Starting Wednesday, WNBA teams can sign players to seven-day contracts.

I wonder if someone like Lynetta Kizer (recently waived by Minnesota) will be brought in.


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So Liberty trade Stokes for FLB and sign who?? Larkins' is reportly going to Minnesota. Kizer's back is shot. We need four posts, just can't think of anyone available that could help us now. Maybe Reshanda Gray?


Your coach likes to play Coleman and the small ball lineup so much, do you even need another post? Wink

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Kiah would pretty much be a younger Lyttle. FLB gives New York a point guard. I love FLB and honestly think she’s the better player, but Kiah fulfills a huge need.


Stokes is nowhere near as good as Lyttle. She'd be backing up Little if you made the trade.



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Robinson can play the PF spot aswell



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So Liberty trade Stokes for FLB and sign who?? Larkins' is reportly going to Minnesota. Kizer's back is shot. We need four posts, just can't think of anyone available that could help us now. Maybe Reshanda Gray?


Your coach likes to play Coleman and the small ball lineup so much, do you even need another post? Wink

I’m solving your point guard problem for you. You just happen to need more help than that. Laughing


1.) Coleman's injured. 2.) The small line-up isn't working for New York. So yes we would need a fourth post.



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Robinson can play the PF spot aswell


I guess PHX doesn’t really have a problem then.



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Kiah would pretty much be a younger Lyttle. FLB gives New York a point guard. I love FLB and honestly think she’s the better player, but Kiah fulfills a huge need.


Stokes is nowhere near as good as Lyttle. She'd be backing up Little if you made the trade.


Their stats are very comparable. Kiah is nowhere as good as Lyttle in Lyttle’s prime, but now they are comparable. A Griner/Stokes front line would probably be intimidating defensively.

If we’re looking at Uconn posts, I’d rather have Gabby to be honest. But Kiah is a real potential option that can play the same roll.

I’d like to reduce Little’s minutes as much as possible.



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toad455 wrote:
So Liberty trade Stokes for FLB and sign who?? Larkins' is reportly going to Minnesota. Kizer's back is shot. We need four posts, just can't think of anyone available that could help us now. Maybe Reshanda Gray?


Your coach likes to play Coleman and the small ball lineup so much, do you even need another post? Wink

I’m solving your point guard problem for you. You just happen to need more help than that. Laughing


1.) Coleman's injured. 2.) The small line-up isn't working for New York. So yes we would need a fourth post.


Didn’t realize she was hurt. Had kind of given up on New York..



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I'd look to try a deal for Langhorne. Maybe Gulich? 2019 FRP?



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Not sure why SEA would want to help PHX. Might as well help MIN.



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Not sure why SEA would want to help PHX. Might as well help MIN.


Good point MIN has some history of helping out other teams.



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Their stats are very comparable. Kiah is nowhere as good as Lyttle in Lyttle’s prime, but now they are comparable. A Griner/Stokes front line would probably be intimidating defensively.


Their numbers are not really comparable. Lyttle's 55% from the floor is better than Stokes' 48%. Lyttle isn't afraid to shoot like Stokes seems to have become (11% USG). Neither is known for their passing, but Lyttle's 26 assists in 419 minutes is far superior to Stokes' two in 157 minutes. Lyttle has a positive ATO while Stokes has over five times as many turnovers as assists. Their rebounding numbers are similar. Also, Lyttle is a better defensive player than Stokes. There's a reason one of these players has seen steadily decreasing minutes for a bad team while the other was a full time starter for the team with the best record in the league.



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PostPosted: 07/03/18 7:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Their stats are very comparable. Kiah is nowhere as good as Lyttle in Lyttle’s prime, but now they are comparable. A Griner/Stokes front line would probably be intimidating defensively.


Their numbers are not really comparable. Lyttle's 55% from the floor is better than Stokes' 48%. Lyttle isn't afraid to shoot like Stokes seems to have become (11% USG). Neither is known for their passing, but Lyttle's 26 assists in 419 minutes is far superior to Stokes' two in 157 minutes. Lyttle has a positive ATO while Stokes has over five times as many turnovers as assists. Their rebounding numbers are similar. Also, Lyttle is a better defensive player than Stokes. There's a reason one of these players has seen steadily decreasing minutes for a bad team while the other was a full time starter for the team with the best record in the league.


Im not seeing how Gabby would be a better option than Kiah stokes neither. Stokes give you a defensive presence versus the likes of Brunson , Parker,Nneka , Aja , Stewie , Glory . Using Gabby against any of those players would be a fools mistake. Ask Amber!



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PostPosted: 07/03/18 8:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
mercfan3 wrote:
Their stats are very comparable. Kiah is nowhere as good as Lyttle in Lyttle’s prime, but now they are comparable. A Griner/Stokes front line would probably be intimidating defensively.


Their numbers are not really comparable. Lyttle's 55% from the floor is better than Stokes' 48%. Lyttle isn't afraid to shoot like Stokes seems to have become (11% USG). Neither is known for their passing, but Lyttle's 26 assists in 419 minutes is far superior to Stokes' two in 157 minutes. Lyttle has a positive ATO while Stokes has over five times as many turnovers as assists. Their rebounding numbers are similar. Also, Lyttle is a better defensive player than Stokes. There's a reason one of these players has seen steadily decreasing minutes for a bad team while the other was a full time starter for the team with the best record in the league.


Quality of players around you matters.

My guess is Stokes gets easier shots (and shoots a higher percentage) when she’s playing with Griner, Taurasi, and BONNER. (As she did when she played with a higher quality of players earlier in her career.) higher quality offensive players, means a higher quality offense..she won’t be forcing passes.

Players like Lyttle are insanely valuable on teams with a lot of finesse talent. Players like that aren’t so valuable on bottom feeder teams that struggle to score.

Kiah would likely be no different. The Merc need defense, rebounding, and a tall person for that last spot. Kiah fits it to a T. The Liberty need a lot more than that from every position besides Tina’s.

Although maybe if she isn’t so highly regarded, we wouldn’t have to give up FLB. Wink



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PostPosted: 07/03/18 8:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

mercfan3 wrote:
pilight wrote:
mercfan3 wrote:
Their stats are very comparable. Kiah is nowhere as good as Lyttle in Lyttle’s prime, but now they are comparable. A Griner/Stokes front line would probably be intimidating defensively.


Their numbers are not really comparable. Lyttle's 55% from the floor is better than Stokes' 48%. Lyttle isn't afraid to shoot like Stokes seems to have become (11% USG). Neither is known for their passing, but Lyttle's 26 assists in 419 minutes is far superior to Stokes' two in 157 minutes. Lyttle has a positive ATO while Stokes has over five times as many turnovers as assists. Their rebounding numbers are similar. Also, Lyttle is a better defensive player than Stokes. There's a reason one of these players has seen steadily decreasing minutes for a bad team while the other was a full time starter for the team with the best record in the league.


Quality of players around you matters.

My guess is Stokes gets easier shots (and shoots a higher percentage) when she’s playing with Griner, Taurasi, and BONNER. (As she did when she played with a higher quality of players earlier in her career.) higher quality offensive players, means a higher quality offense..she won’t be forcing passes.

Players like Lyttle are insanely valuable on teams with a lot of finesse talent. Players like that aren’t so valuable on bottom feeder teams that struggle to score.

Kiah would likely be no different. The Merc need defense, rebounding, and a tall person for that last spot. Kiah fits it to a T. The Liberty need a lot more than that from every position besides Tina’s.

Although maybe if she isn’t so highly regarded, we wouldn’t have to give up FLB. Wink


Also, if you're a believer in +/- Stokes is on her third straight season of being one of the worst - players on the Lib.

Stokes isn't a high post player. She's 25% from outside 5' this season. That's not an aberration. She was 30% from outside 5' last season, 29% in 2016, and 28% in 2015. She's only capable of making shots at point blank range.

Lyttle was incredibly valuable to Atlanta, a team that has always struggled to score.



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