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PostPosted: 02/08/18 11:00 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

mb1 wrote:
would Phoenix offer Bone a high salary?


Obviously not.... you got table scraps for her.



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Third, while her offense and shot blocking/changing are MVP worthy, why does the 6'9" player get a pass on rebounding?


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As for No. 3, Griner has never been a particularly good rebounder, nor is she likely to become one. But the perfect player has yet to be born, so I think every team in the league would gladly put Griner at center, and deal with the rebounding issue.


Griner has never been a dominant rebounder or at least as dominating as one would expect for her size. Agreed.

But consider this...in her five-year career, she has blocked 487 shots, for an average of 3.3 blocks per game. She already ranks 8th in WNBA history in total blocks. By comparison, Syliva Fowles has blocked 532 shots in 272 career games; Griner has blocked 487 shots in 147 games.

If you are blocking that many shots, you very likely are not getting those rebounds (ball goes out of play, ball goes to another player). And for those 3.3 blocked shots per game, there are an immeasurable number of shots that she alters just be her mere presence in the paint or the threat of her blocking an opposing player's shot.

Last year, she put up 21.9 ppg, 7.6 rpg, and 2.5 bpg, while shooting 57.7 percent from the floor and 81.2 percent from the line. Sure, she may not be averaging 10 rpg like Tina Charles or Cheryl Ford, but she is developing into a dominant force on both ends of the floor.

And again, the number of her blocked and altered shots is incredibly impressive. If she is preventing the shot from reaching the rim or forcing the opponents to not take so many shots or take really awful ones because of her presence, does she also have to be the player to get those rebounds as well?

Just some food for thought.


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Very good points.

CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
mb1 wrote:
Third, while her offense and shot blocking/changing are MVP worthy, why does the 6'9" player get a pass on rebounding?


ClayK wrote:
As for No. 3, Griner has never been a particularly good rebounder, nor is she likely to become one. But the perfect player has yet to be born, so I think every team in the league would gladly put Griner at center, and deal with the rebounding issue.


Griner has never been a dominant rebounder or at least as dominating as one would expect for her size. Agreed.

But consider this...in her five-year career, she has blocked 487 shots, for an average of 3.3 blocks per game. She already ranks 8th in WNBA history in total blocks. By comparison, Syliva Fowles has blocked 532 shots in 272 career games; Griner has blocked 487 shots in 147 games.

If you are blocking that many shots, you very likely are not getting those rebounds (ball goes out of play, ball goes to another player). And for those 3.3 blocked shots per game, there are an immeasurable number of shots that she alters just be her mere presence in the paint or the threat of her blocking an opposing player's shot.

Last year, she put up 21.9 ppg, 7.6 rpg, and 2.5 bpg, while shooting 57.7 percent from the floor and 81.2 percent from the line. Sure, she may not be averaging 10 rpg like Tina Charles or Cheryl Ford, but she is developing into a dominant force on both ends of the floor.

And again, the number of her blocked and altered shots is incredibly impressive. If she is preventing the shot from reaching the rim or forcing the opponents to not take so many shots or take really awful ones because of her presence, does she also have to be the player to get those rebounds as well?

Just some food for thought.



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PostPosted: 02/10/18 12:48 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/wnba/mercury/2018/02/01/phoenix-mercury-bolster-defense-signing-power-forward-sancho-lyttle/1083861001/


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Bonner is a designated core player so the Mercury have exclusive negotiating rights with her. "We fully intend to have her back with us," Pitman said. "If we add her back along with Sancho, we can compete with anybody."


Others under contract with the Mercury for 2018 are Griner, Taurasi, Leilani Mitchell, Danielle Robinson, Stephanie Talbot and Alexis Prince. Emma Cannon, Yvonne Turner and Cayla George are reserved players, also under exclusive negotiating rights with the Mercury.

PItman said signing Lyttle does not necessarily prelude the Mercury from re-signing Camille Little, who started next to Griner in 2017. "We will have another big on our roster," Pitman said.

Pitman also expects to add a player who will make the team with the No. 8 pick in the first round of the WNBA draft in April.


Diana planned to have Maya replace her in Russia due to Penny's pregnancy. Injuries sped up the timetable, yet she should be rested.

Griner took it to a new level last season.

Bonner will return and not sit out or demand a trade (confirmed by a trusted, reliable source). This was key to playoff success.

Lyttle was added, Little returns.

Happy Cayla landed in a good spot. Bone was given away (along with her salary).

Petrovic says unfortunately not this season. Xargay is likely the same.

Bass doesn't know if/where she may land. *edit: Misty played well in Australia after having her son and hopes to play in the WNBA again.

2018 Phoenix Mercury Pre-Season Roster:

PG: MITCHELL, ROBINSON, D
SG: TAURASI, TURNER
SF: BONNER, TALBOT, PRINCE
PF: LITTLE, CANNON
C: GRINER, LYTTLE

ROBINSON, A
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PostPosted: 02/10/18 2:15 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Grinder took it to a new level last season.

Bonner will return and not sit out or demand a trade (confirmed by a trusted, reliable source). This was key to playoff success.

Lyttle was added, Little returns.


I expect Griner to be in MVP talk all year. Little may not have put up great numbers but she also knew how to share the floor with Griner.

Everyone seems to expect that both Bonner and Dupree will play for the teams that cored them. I'm hoping they can steal some time together.


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No Petrovic and I doubt Xargay comes over either.



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Petrovic says unfortunately not this season. Xargay is likely the same.


This quote from above was in reference to the tweet response.[/quote]



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Phoenix roster at present:

PG: JANUARY, MITCHELL
SG: TAURASI, TURNER
SF: BONNER, TALBOT, PRINCE
PF: LITTLE, CANNON
C: GRINER, LYTTLE

A.Robinson
#12.


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PostPosted: 03/06/18 9:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'm concerned about the dropoff at center. Griner will come in ready to roll and pick up where she left off last year. But if she's injured, like last year, who holds down the fort?


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PostPosted: 03/06/18 9:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Yeah I'm a little surprised A. Robinson hasn't been officially signed yet because she was a decent back up for Griner last year.

Vadeeva or Russell could still be available at #12, maybe Mavunga?

But I still think A. Robinson would be the best choice.

It also looks like Hamson might be available for free out of Indy

#12 and/or A. Prince for Stafford-McGhee?


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PostPosted: 03/06/18 10:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Playing against Griner in practice will help anyone we have as her backup to improve. However, the focus should be on a rebounder. Someone who can bring the power of Griner but focus on the boards more. A. Robinson was good in that way. I'm not sure that Mercedes gives us that...but I've seen TN players really show their skills in the W in a way that I never imagined while they were at TN (e.g., N. Anosike). I can't imagine that McCowans will be taken as high as projected. Though, as an Ole Miss alum I throw up a little in my mouth saying this, I'd vote for her based on size and rebounding ability. Mvunga is a close second.


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That would actually be a pretty solid looking roster if someone could convince me that January, Taurasi, Little & Lyttle have some gas left in the tank.



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PostPosted: 03/07/18 3:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I agree! It looks like right now the focus is on winning....NOW. There are obvious positive and negative consequences of that strategy.


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J-Spoon wrote:
Yeah I'm a little surprised A. Robinson hasn't been officially signed yet because she was a decent back up for Griner last year.

Vadeeva or Russell could still be available at #12, maybe Mavunga?

But I still think A. Robinson would be the best choice.

It also looks like Hamson might be available for free out of Indy

#12 and/or A. Prince for Stafford-McGhee?


Seeing her un-signed makes me wonder if she is going to be the naturalized Spanish player for their World Cup run.


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Nerd2 wrote:
J-Spoon wrote:
Yeah I'm a little surprised A. Robinson hasn't been officially signed yet because she was a decent back up for Griner last year.

Vadeeva or Russell could still be available at #12, maybe Mavunga?

But I still think A. Robinson would be the best choice.

It also looks like Hamson might be available for free out of Indy

#12 and/or A. Prince for Stafford-McGhee?


Seeing her un-signed makes me wonder if she is going to be the naturalized Spanish player for their World Cup run.


No thanks on that trade for Imani - we would be selling low (after buying high - yikes). We could get probably Prince if we wanted her if she gets cut by the Mercury. 16 is only 4 after than 12 and whoever gets picked could well be a bust.



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PostPosted: 03/07/18 4:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Nerd2 wrote:
J-Spoon wrote:
Yeah I'm a little surprised A. Robinson hasn't been officially signed yet because she was a decent back up for Griner last year.

Vadeeva or Russell could still be available at #12, maybe Mavunga?

But I still think A. Robinson would be the best choice.

It also looks like Hamson might be available for free out of Indy

#12 and/or A. Prince for Stafford-McGhee?


Seeing her un-signed makes me wonder if she is going to be the naturalized Spanish player for their World Cup run.

Wrong country; Robinson is 'Montenegrin'. Spain's choice is still between Lyttle and Ndour as far as I know.



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I certainly hope Sancho gets selected to play for Spain, now that she's on the Mercury.



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Richyyy wrote:
Nerd2 wrote:
J-Spoon wrote:
Yeah I'm a little surprised A. Robinson hasn't been officially signed yet because she was a decent back up for Griner last year.

Vadeeva or Russell could still be available at #12, maybe Mavunga?

But I still think A. Robinson would be the best choice.

It also looks like Hamson might be available for free out of Indy

#12 and/or A. Prince for Stafford-McGhee?


Seeing her un-signed makes me wonder if she is going to be the naturalized Spanish player for their World Cup run.

Wrong country; Robinson is 'Montenegrin'. Spain's choice is still between Lyttle and Ndour as far as I know.


Oh, oops. Thanks.


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PostPosted: 03/07/18 4:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

sportsfan48 wrote:
Phoenix roster at present:

PG: JANUARY, MITCHELL
SG: TAURASI, TURNER
SF: BONNER, TALBOT, PRINCE
PF: LITTLE, CANNON
C: GRINER, LYTTLE

A.Robinson
#12.


Sancho Lyttle is a power forward, not a center. She played PF next to Elizabeth Williams in Atlanta. Williams is an undersized center with more limited range, whereas Lyttle is a taller power forward with greater range.

Offensively, Lyttle should complements Griner more than Camille Little, as Camille was not able to finish well close to the basket and did not have good accuracy away from it. Plus, Lyttle is a much better rebounder and overall athlete than Camille.

That being said, Lyttle turns 35 this year. Phoenix has to hope that injuries and durability are not issues.


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Saw a beautiful photo of Mario and Liliana with their grandson. Congrats to Dee and Penny. Reports say Leo arrived March 3rd.

Edit: The date was March 1st.



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PostPosted: 03/10/18 5:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Saw a beautiful photo of Mario and Liliana with their grandson. Congrats to Dee and Penny. Reports say Leo arrived March 3rd.


So they are keeping up with the Messi theme Laughing Congrats with the little one



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Very excited for them!!


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I thought there was a separate topic for this, but I couldn’t find it.





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https://www.facebook.com/phoenixmercury/photos/pcb.10156223382774281/10156223381999281/?type=3&theater



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2018 PHOENIX MERCURY PRE-DRAFT ROSTER:

PG: BRIANN JANUARY, LEILANI MITCHELL

SG: DIANA TAURASI, YVONNE TURNER,
ALEX HARDEN

SF: DEWANNA BONNER, STEPHANIE TALBOT, ALEXIS PRINCE

PF: CAMILLE LITTLE, EMMA CANNON

C: BRITNEY GRINER, SANCHO LYTTLE,
ANGEL ROBINSON

DRAFT PICK

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Fighting for two spots: STEPHANIE TALBOT, ALEXIS PRINCE, ALEX HARDEN, ANGEL ROBINSON, and DRAFT PICK.

LOTS OF LINEUP VARIATIONS (i.e. Sancho at PF).



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Gulich here could be a great pickup. PHX running the ball down your throat days have passed.



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definitely see them drafting a center at #12(Gulich likely). Angel Robinson was never re-signed.

PG: January/Mitchell
SG: Taurasi/Turner
SF: Bonner/Talbot
PF: Little/Lyttle/Cannon
C: Griner/draft pick
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PostPosted: 03/27/18 11:54 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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definitely see them drafting a center at #12(Gulich likely). Angel Robinson was never re-signed.



At a season ticket holder event last week, Mercury GM Jim Pitman included Angel in a discussion of returning players.


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toad455 wrote:
definitely see them drafting a center at #12(Gulich likely). Angel Robinson was never re-signed.



At a season ticket holder event last week, Mercury GM Jim Pitman included Angel in a discussion of returning players.


Did they already sign her or they are thinking about it? They haven’t put out anything official about it that I can see.



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Hey no one did post draft PX

January/L. Mithcell
DT/Turner
Bonner/Talbot/Prince
Lyttle/Little/Cannon
Griner/Gulich

What happened to A. Robinson? Did she want to take time off? Did PX pass on her? Does that make her a free agent instead of reserved?


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January/LMitchell
Taurasi/Turner/(Scaife vs Harden vs Prince)
Bonner/Talbot
Lyttle/Little/Cannon
Griner/(Gulich vs Musina)

Musina said she didn’t want to be a deferred pick. We’ll see how that works out.



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Depth Chart:

PG:
1. Briann January
2. Leilani Mitchell
3. Tyler Scaife

SG:
1. Diana Taurasi
2. Yvonne Turner
3. Imani Wright

SF:
1. DeWanna Bonner
2. Alex Harden
3. Stephanie Talbot
4. Alexis Prince

PF:
1. Camille Little
2. Sancho Lyttle
3. Emma Cannon
N/A: Raisa Musina

C:
1. Brittney Griner
2. Angel Robinson
3. Marie Gulich


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http://mercury.wnba.com/roster/


http://www.espn.com/wnba/team/roster/_/name/phx/phoenix-mercury

*Curry was traded and Angel will be late to camp.

Suspect Guliitch gets a spot and the rest battle for the last spot.



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2018 PHOENIX MERCURY PRE-DRAFT ROSTER:

PG: BRIANN JANUARY, LEILANI MITCHELL

SG: DIANA TAURASI, YVONNE TURNER,
ALEX HARDEN

SF: DEWANNA BONNER, STEPHANIE TALBOT, ALEXIS PRINCE

PF: CAMILLE LITTLE, EMMA CANNON

C: BRITNEY GRINER, SANCHO LYTTLE,
ANGEL ROBINSON

DRAFT PICK

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Fighting for two spots: STEPHANIE TALBOT, ALEXIS PRINCE, ALEX HARDEN, ANGEL ROBINSON, and DRAFT PICK.

LOTS OF LINEUP VARIATIONS (i.e. Sancho at PF).



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2018 PHOENIX MERCURY TRAINING CAMP ROSTER:

PG: BRIANN JANUARY, LEILANI MITCHELL, Tyler Scaife

SG: DIANA TAURASI, YVONNE TURNER, Imani Wright

SF: DEWANNA BONNER, Stephanie Talbot, Alexis Prince, Alex Harden

PF: SANCHO LYTTLE, CAMILLE LITTLE, Emma Cannon

C: BRITNEY GRINER, MARIE GULITCH, Angel Robinson

Raisa Musina

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SPECULATION/ASSUMPTIONS:
PLAYERS IN ALL CAPS ARE LOCKS, Others fighting for spots. Musina may not show this year. Gulitch makes the cut. Some players will be late arriving opening temporary spots for others.

Fighting for two spots: STEPHANIE TALBOT, ALEXIS PRINCE, ALEX HARDEN, EMMA CANNON, ANGEL ROBINSON, TYLER SCAIFE, IMANI WRIGHT, AND RAISA MUSINA.



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Musina seems like she's showing up. So that 5th post spot is between her, Robinson & Cannon. No clear back-up SF locked in. Scaife has a solid chance of making the team.



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The consensus seems to be that 3 spots are up for grabs. I’d like to see Scaife make the roster, along with Talbot. As for the third spot, I’m not sure.
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The consensus seems to be that 3 spots are up for grabs. I’d like to see Scaife make the roster, along with Talbot. As for the third spot, I’m not sure.


In my position battles, who do you like the most?
It could also be Cannon vs Musina, but I think Musina stands a better chance against another rookie in Gulich.

January/LMitchell
Taurasi/Turner/(Scaife vs Harden vs Prince)
Bonner/Talbot
Lyttle/Little/Cannon
Griner/(Gulich vs Musina)

I thought Mitchell earned the starting spot last year, but PHX paid a lot for January and everyone seems hyped on her to start.

Prince is doing pretty well overseas, leading scorer for her club in Spain. An old fav of myrtle’s is also doing well.



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Tally24 wrote:
The consensus seems to be that 3 spots are up for grabs. I’d like to see Scaife make the roster, along with Talbot. As for the third spot, I’m not sure.


In my position battles, who do you like the most?
It could also be Cannon vs Musina, but I think Musina stands a better chance against another rookie in Gulich.

January/LMitchell
Taurasi/Turner/(Scaife vs Harden vs Prince)
Bonner/Talbot
Lyttle/Little/Cannon
Griner/(Gulich vs Musina)

I thought Mitchell earned the starting spot last year, but PHX paid a lot for January and everyone seems hyped on her to start.

Prince is doing pretty well overseas, leading scorer for her club in Spain. An old fav of myrtle’s is also doing well.


I like Harden’s defense, but it will be interesting to see how she looks after coming back. I like the size of Prince and her reputation as a shooter. Scaife, I watched a bit in college in her early years, but I’m not sure we need another small guard.

I, personally, wasn’t high on Cannon. I’d be fine with Gulich and Musina making the team over her.
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yeah, Cannon was a bit wild last season and really only saw minutes by default. I'm thinking Gulich & Musina make the team. Musina can also play PF if needed.

PG: January/Mitchell
SG: Taurasi/Turner/Scaife
SF: Bonner/Talbot
PF: Lyttle/Little
C: Griner/Gulich/Musina



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PostPosted: 04/16/18 10:59 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Cannon didn’t get a lot of time when Griner was playing, but seemed decent when Griner went down and she got more PT. I see she got 17 pts in 38 min in one game.



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PostPosted: 04/16/18 11:02 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Musina's a 19 year old 3/4 who plays questionable defense in zone-legal leagues. She's not gonna be playing center.



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PostPosted: 04/16/18 12:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
yeah, Cannon was a bit wild last season and really only saw minutes by default. I'm thinking Gulich & Musina make the team. Musina can also play PF if needed.

PG: January/Mitchell
SG: Taurasi/Turner/Scaife
SF: Bonner/Talbot
PF: Lyttle/Little
C: Griner/Gulich/Musina


Cannon brought a lot more to the table than you think. She rebounded well and showed a lot of toughness which is what the Mercury needed and still what they will need. They would not have went out of their way to resign her if they anticipated not having her for the upcoming season. Keep in mind that Gulich and Musina are rookies. They may keep Gulich because of her size and cheap salary. Also, don't forget that they still have Robinson.


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PostPosted: 04/22/18 11:45 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Haven’t seen a lot of Scaife. Does she bring to the table the same thing as Turner?
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Haven’t seen a lot of Scaife. Does she bring to the table the same thing as Turner?


No way she’s as good as Turner. You can watch Turner in the Euroleague Championship game coming up in an hour.



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Looking at our roster, I can't help but wish these trades had taken place in 2011. We have acquired players that have, perennially, been thorns in our side in January, Little, and Lyttle. It will be interesting to see how much gas they have left in the tank, especially the two Li/yttles. At PG anyone over 5'5 who can shoot outside ten feet is an upgrade over D-Rob
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At PG anyone over 5'5 who can shoot outside ten feet is an upgrade over D-Rob


Ouch! Reeve gave up a first round pick for her, and traded Howard because of her and Zanda’s combined salaries. On top of that, might have to start the season with only 11 players. All this for a player PHX and their fans couldn’t get rid of quickly enough.



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Tally24 wrote:
Looking at our roster, I can't help but wish these trades had taken place in 2011. We have acquired players that have, perennially, been thorns in our side in January, Little, and Lyttle. It will be interesting to see how much gas they have left in the tank, especially the two Li/yttles. At PG anyone over 5'5 who can shoot outside ten feet is an upgrade over D-Rob


Milly has been with the merc prior to this season . Lyttle & January are the new editions .



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PostPosted: 04/23/18 8:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
Tally24 wrote:
Looking at our roster, I can't help but wish these trades had taken place in 2011. We have acquired players that have, perennially, been thorns in our side in January, Little, and Lyttle. It will be interesting to see how much gas they have left in the tank, especially the two Li/yttles. At PG anyone over 5'5 who can shoot outside ten feet is an upgrade over D-Rob


Milly has been with the merc prior to this season . Lyttle & January are the new editions .


That’s true. I meant the decision to keep her after a less than impressive stint last year.
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