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PostPosted: 09/17/17 9:05 pm    ::: Phoenix Mercury 2018 Reply Reply with quote

Assuming Bonner comes back, I am in favor of keeping the following:
Mitchell
Taurasi
Bonner
Little
Griner
Turner
Prince

Our big need is a legit four who is a threat to score, oh, and it would be cool if they liked to rebound. [/list]
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PostPosted: 09/17/17 9:34 pm    ::: Re: Phoenix Mercury 2018 Reply Reply with quote

Tally24 wrote:
Assuming Bonner comes back, I am in favor of keeping the following:
Mitchell
Taurasi
Bonner
Little
Griner
Turner
Prince

Our big need is a legit four who is a threat to score, oh, and it would be cool if they liked to rebound. [/list]


Like the one you just traded away this season? Phoenix decided they would rather have Little.


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PostPosted: 09/17/17 9:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I expect Bonner to want a trade to Indiana. If she does demand a trade I'm not sure who the Fever would give up, maybe the lottery pick, and January for #8, Bonner, and Robinson.This would work out well for the Mercury, but I'm not sure why the Fever would do it. It would only make their issues a couple more years. If a trade happened, Phoenix would be scary, if the got Stevens or Wilson.
Mitchell/January/ 2nd round pick
Taurasi/Turner
Currie/Prince
Wilson or Stevens/Little/George or Cannnon
Griner/Robinson
If no trade happens I don't really see a player that will be there at #8 that fits what they need. Will Mitchell, George, and Cannon show up next year? Phoenix should really try to develop Prince, athletic 6'2 guards don't come knocking every day. Some Free Agents Phoenix could target are Breland, Howard, and Lavender.
Mitchell/Robinson
Taurasi/Turner
Bonner/Currie/Prince
Little/George/Cannon
Griner Robinson



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PostPosted: 09/17/17 9:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

UK1996 wrote:
I expect Bonner to want a trade to Indiana. If she does demand a trade I'm not sure who the Fever would give up, maybe the lottery pick, and January for #8, Bonner, and Robinson.This would work out well for the Mercury, but I'm not sure why the Fever would do it. It would only make their issues a couple more years. If a trade happened, Phoenix would be scary, if the got Stevens or Wilson.
Mitchell/January/ 2nd round pick
Taurasi/Turner
Currie/Prince
Wilson or Stevens/Little/George or Cannnon
Griner/Robinson
If no trade happens I don't really see a player that will be there at #8 that fits what they need. Will Mitchell, George, and Cannon show up next year? Phoenix should really try to develop Prince, athletic 6'2 guards don't come knocking every day. Some Free Agents Phoenix could target are Breland, Howard, and Lavender.
Mitchell/Robinson
Taurasi/Turner
Bonner/Currie/Prince
Little/George/Cannon
Griner Robinson


No way do I want the Fever to give up a lottery pick for a 30/31 year old coming back from pregnancy, a back up guard, and the 8. Fever need to look for the future and that's not Bonner and DRob.


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PostPosted: 09/17/17 10:08 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

UK1996 wrote:
I expect Bonner to want a trade to Indiana. If she does demand a trade I'm not sure who the Fever would give up, maybe the lottery pick, and January for #8, Bonner, and Robinson.This would work out well for the Mercury, but I'm not sure why the Fever would do it. It would only make their issues a couple more years. If a trade happened, Phoenix would be scary, if the got Stevens or Wilson.
Mitchell/January/ 2nd round pick
Taurasi/Turner
Currie/Prince
Wilson or Stevens/Little/George or Cannnon
Griner/Robinson
If no trade happens I don't really see a player that will be there at #8 that fits what they need. Will Mitchell, George, and Cannon show up next year? Phoenix should really try to develop Prince, athletic 6'2 guards don't come knocking every day. Some Free Agents Phoenix could target are Breland, Howard, and Lavender.
Mitchell/Robinson
Taurasi/Turner
Bonner/Currie/Prince
Little/George/Cannon
Griner Robinson


That would be an absolutely terrible move for the Fever, especially if Bonner actually wants to go to Indiana.


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PostPosted: 09/17/17 10:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The trade I see with the fever Bonner for S. Johnson maybe with a swap of 2nd round picks PX get #14 Indy get #19

PX drafts Billings at #7 and Vadeeva at #14 (does she play with Taurasi and Griner in Russia?)

Mitchell/Turner/Robinson
Taurasi/S. Johnson
Currie/A. Prince
Little/Vadeeva/Billings
Griner/Cannon


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PostPosted: 09/17/17 10:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

1.Trade Robinson

2.Sign/Trade for Langhorne or Howard....Maybe trade Little for Howard.Little can take Pierson's spot.

3.Hope Bonner is content playing in phoenix.

4.Play Prince extended minutes.

5.Sign J.Hooper

6.Release Gorge,Talbot,and Cannon


G-Mitchell
G-Taurasi
C-Griner
F-Langhorne/Howard
F-Bonner
6-Turner
7-Currie
8-Prince
9-Hooper
10-2018 pick(Billings,Brown,Nared)
11-Sign center
12-Sign pg or big

Or maybe build some quality depth by trading the 8th pick to indiana for Johnson. & January(ASU AC)




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PostPosted: 09/18/17 3:11 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

zune69 wrote:
1.Trade Robinson

2.Sign/Trade for Langhorne or Howard....Maybe trade Little for Howard.Little can take Pierson's spot.

3.Hope Bonner is content playing in phoenix.

4.Play Prince extended minutes.

5.Sign J.Hooper

6.Release Gorge,Talbot,and Cannon


G-Mitchell
G-Taurasi
C-Griner
F-Langhorne/Howard
F-Bonner
6-Turner
7-Currie
8-Prince
9-Hooper
10-2018 pick(Billings,Brown,Nared)
11-Sign center
12-Sign pg or big


Why sign Hooper and let Talbot go? Hooper can only do 1 thing and that is shooting 3's. She is a horrible defender. You forget that Talbot is a rookie and that she is still very young. I like her defensive potential and that she can knock down those outside shots (38% from 3) They should give her some time. Yes she dropped out of the rotation but she played pretty decent for them this season IMO.



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PostPosted: 09/18/17 4:31 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Michelle89 wrote:

Why sign Hooper and let Talbot go? Hooper can only do 1 thing and that is shooting 3's. She is a horrible defender. You forget that Talbot is a rookie and that she is still very young. I like her defensive potential and that she can knock down those outside shots (38% from 3) They should give her some time. Yes she dropped out of the rotation but she played pretty decent for them this season IMO.


Because it's addition by subtraction.Getting rid of Talbot opens up the door for Prince.As long as Brondello is the HC,Prince will always play second fiddle to Talbot.Prince put up 9p/3r/2s/1b/4-6/1-1 in 17 minutes vs LA...then had 2 DNP's in a row .That's a load of B.S....This isn't a Hooper vs Talbot situation.I prefer to look at it as choosing Prince > Talbot .


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PostPosted: 09/18/17 9:44 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

NorCal native Danielle Robinson will be 29 next May and is coming off her worst year -- not to mention an Achilles' injury that has had a major impact on many players her age.

I never understood why Phoenix signed her, as you need to surround Griner with shooters so opponents can't doubleteam Griner every time she touches the ball. With Robinson in the game, whoever is guarding her can fly to Griner as soon as the entry pass is in the air, and Robinson really can't punish that move.

But then again, I don't know what Robinson brings in the trade market. A second rounder, maybe, but her PER in 2015, before she was hurt, was 11.4, below average (though PER doesn't properly account for her defensive abilities).



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PostPosted: 09/18/17 11:35 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Unless I missed an injury, DRob was benched for virtually the entire game yesterday. And when they wanted someone to come in specifically to guard Chelsea Gray, they went to Talbot. Considering they got Mitchell for nothing as a free agent (and eventually realised she was the better option), that trade for DRob turned out to be a real bust. There's every chance they'd have blown the #5 pick (or just never played Player X), but they might've used it in a more productive transaction, or lucked into someone like Sykes. Plus they gave up Harrison, obviously.

I'm unsure whether Robinson is still under contract, but even if she is I seriously doubt they're getting a good pick and a young player with potential in return for her now. You look round the league and don't see too many teams who'd want her as more than a backup right now. It's a shame. Even if she could never extend her range beyond 15ft, she was a lot of fun to watch in full flow.



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PostPosted: 09/18/17 11:53 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Maybe Robinson gets thrown into the Bonner trade to Indiana?



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PostPosted: 09/18/17 11:55 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Can take a long time to recover from achilles injury so maybe she will do better next season. (Of course some never do.) If any team is willing to trade a lottery pick (excluding those who did so before they knew it to be a lottery pick) it would be Indiana. They don't like missing playoffs and traded last years pick plus Kizer for Dupre.



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PostPosted: 09/18/17 12:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Randy wrote:
Can take a long time to recover from achilles injury so maybe she will do better next season. (Of course some never do.) If any team is willing to trade a lottery pick (excluding those who did so before they knew it to be a lottery pick) it would be Indiana. They don't like missing playoffs and traded last years pick plus Kizer for Dupre.


Indiana hasn't had a lottery picks since 2005. There is no way they trade it.


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PostPosted: 09/18/17 1:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'm not saying they will - just they would be the most likely. I don't think they should either. I don't see another Catchings in this draft unfortunately.



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PostPosted: 09/18/17 1:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Robinson was not 100% after the injury. Really should give her another year, as she is a good PG. But I do like Izzy and SAS won't send her back.



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PostPosted: 09/18/17 2:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Randy wrote:
I'm not saying they will - just they would be the most likely. I don't think they should either. I don't see another Catchings in this draft unfortunately.


But, why do you think they would be most likely? There is no evidence for that.


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PostPosted: 09/18/17 3:56 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

RavenDog wrote:
But I do like Izzy and SAS won't send her back.


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PostPosted: 09/18/17 4:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

PUmatty -Probably more intuition than anything, but I've been a Pacer's fan since 1967 and the Fever are always my second favorite team. The teams have the same owner. I recall a statement made to the effect that Herb Simon didn't like the Pacers being in the lottery - he always wanted a team he could be proud off, so making the playoffs was always an important goal even if the team was not a true contender. Last year the Fever traded Kizer and their FRP for Dupre, which clearly seemed like a move designed to improve the present at the expense of the future. Dupre seemed she might be running out of gas so I was not a fan of the move. It might actually turn out to be a good move, but at the time it seemed like move designed to keep them in the playoffs. Hiring Pokey an experienced coach, but one w/o a high upside also seemed kind of designed to keep the team in "win now" mode rather than taking a risk on a less experienced coach. Indy has a pretty good fan base, but losing seasons don't go down well with Hoosiers.

Of course, if you have compelling evidence to the contrary I will be happy to acknowledge I'm wrong.



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PostPosted: 09/19/17 4:33 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
Unless I missed an injury, DRob was benched for virtually the entire game yesterday. And when they wanted someone to come in specifically to guard Chelsea Gray, they went to Talbot. Considering they got Mitchell for nothing as a free agent (and eventually realised she was the better option), that trade for DRob turned out to be a real bust. There's every chance they'd have blown the #5 pick (or just never played Player X), but they might've used it in a more productive transaction, or lucked into someone like Sykes. Plus they gave up Harrison, obviously.

I'm unsure whether Robinson is still under contract, but even if she is I seriously doubt they're getting a good pick and a young player with potential in return for her now. You look round the league and don't see too many teams who'd want her as more than a backup right now. It's a shame. Even if she could never extend her range beyond 15ft, she was a lot of fun to watch in full flow.


Ill take her on the Storm for sure. Get her as a RFA or FA (dont know her status) or trade a 2nd round pick or KML. Let her backup Bird next season (Bird can finally play less then 30 minutes per game) and a chance to show that she can return to 90% from that injury.
If she doesnt fit (we have enough players that can shoot the 3 though Stewart Loyd and Clark on the starting unit) or cant cut in then we havent lost anything. If she does regain her former form then we might have a decent successor for Bird.



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PostPosted: 09/19/17 9:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Mercury will go into 2018 with more pieces in place than Diana Taurasi, Brittney Griner

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/wnba/mercury/2017/09/19/phoenix-mercury-go-into-2018-more-pieces-place-than-taurasi-griner/679859001/

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Brittney Griner and Diana Taurasi will not have 10 new teammates like this season


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"Our biggest challenge early in the year was getting people to do certain things we've been accustomed to," Taurasi said. "Filling in roles, feeling comfortable on the court. That takes time and our season goes by so fast.


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With an 18-16 record, the Mercury were the No. 5 seed going into the playoffs – up three from 2016 – and again won first- and second-round, single-elimination games to make a best-of-5 semifinal.


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Taurasi and Griner are under contract for 2018, as are point guards Leilani Mitchell and Danielle Robinson and rookies Stephanie Talbot and Alexis Prince.


UFA
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Forward Camille Little and guard Monique Currie are unrestricted free agents, free to sign with any team. Little started every game and was a defensive presence throughout the season.


Reserved
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Others on this year's roster were guard Yvonne Turner, a starter at the end of the season, posts Emma Cannon, Cayla George and Angel Robinson. They are not under contract, but the Mercury retains their rights. The 6-6 Robinson, signed June 28, is especially intriguing because of her potential in tandem with Griner.

The Mercury also retain the rights to 6-2 forward Sonja Petrovic and guard Marta Xargay, who sat out this season partly to play in the EuroBasket qualifier for the 2018 World Cup. "I have a lot of respect for both those players," Brondello said. "They could help us if that's what they want to do. We'll reach out to them in due course."


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The Mercury are likely to give Bonner their core player designation, giving them exclusive negotiating rights.

Bonner and her spouse, former Mercury forward Candice Dupree, would like to play together next season so they can be in the same city. Dupree now is with the Indiana Fever. The Mercury want Bonner back, envisioning her in the starting lineup again like most of 2016.

Taurasi said Bonner has been "one of the top four or five players in the world" in recent years. "She impacts the game in so many different ways. When you have a 6-4 wing player, you have to guard her, and you know what she brings defensively and rebound-wise, where at times we struggled this year."


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Phoenix will pick eighth in the first round of the 2018 WNBA draft, which Pitman said is the "best in 10 years as far as depth."


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Taurasi plans for this to be her final season in Russia but if healthy and playing well, the WNBA career scoring leader could continue through 2020 with the Mercury.

"I wake up every morning with a different feeling, that i want to play basketball or go to an island," Taurasi said. "Right now I'm still enjoying basketball. I still feel that competitive spirit. I'm anxious already to get back next May. There's only one goal, to win a championship. Every year you fall short of it, you leave with a little sour taste in your mouth."


Overseas
Mitchell - Turkey
Turner - Hungary
Cannon - Russia
Talbot - France
Prince - Spain



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PostPosted: 09/19/17 10:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I still say package Bonner & Robinson, plus the #8 pick to Indiana for their lottery pick & S. Johnson. Xargay & Petrovic return. Unless they pick #1, Phoenix would likely get either Williams or. K. Mitchell.

PG: Mitchell/Xargay
SG: Johnson/Turner
SF: Taurasi/Petrovic
PF: Little/Cannon
C: Griner/A. Robinson
+lottery pick and likely another post option.



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PostPosted: 09/19/17 10:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So I originally saw it one way but what about Cannon and #8 for Dupree and #14 (If DT wants Bonner back it seems like the best solution).

Draft Vadeeva at #14 if she is still on the board

Mitchell/Robinson/Turner
Taurasi/A. Prince
Bonner/Talbot
Dupree/Vadeeva/(Little)
Griner/A. Robinson

Make some hard decisions if and when Petrovic and Xargay show up but the two of them and Vadeeva might miss time with Worlds anyway.

That is 5 first four year contracts 5 max contracts and 2 high to max contracts is that possible, and that is before Patrovic are Xargay arrive so I'm guessing this is too expensive for the season.

You probably have to trade Robinson (for a very late first round to mid second round pick), or just not bring back Little (along with Currie who i already did not include above) to make it work.

Also I wish all the teams put out articles like this one it great knowing who is an UFA, who is a RFA and who is reserved. As well as getting some insight as to what the players and coaches think such as Brondello's comments or Xargay and Petrovic and DT's comments on Bonner.


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Vadeeva at the 4 in the WNBA is NOT a good idea..



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PostPosted: 09/20/17 1:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
I still say package Bonner & Robinson, plus the #8 pick to Indiana for their lottery pick & S. Johnson. Xargay & Petrovic return. Unless they pick #1, Phoenix would likely get either Williams or. K. Mitchell.

PG: Mitchell/Xargay
SG: Johnson/Turner
SF: Taurasi/Petrovic
PF: Little/Cannon
C: Griner/A. Robinson
+lottery pick and likely another post option.


Again, why would Indiana give up their lottery pick/potential franchise player for two players who aren't and a later pick?


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toad455 wrote:
I still say package Bonner & Robinson, plus the #8 pick to Indiana for their lottery pick & S. Johnson. Xargay & Petrovic return. Unless they pick #1, Phoenix would likely get either Williams or. K. Mitchell.

PG: Mitchell/Xargay
SG: Johnson/Turner
SF: Taurasi/Petrovic
PF: Little/Cannon
C: Griner/A. Robinson
+lottery pick and likely another post option.


Why would Indiana even entertain that? Makes no sense for them at all.


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Indiana needs to get good YOUNG assets. Sadly, they need to be bad for a couple years to load up on elite talent, and trading away lottery picks for aging vets is not the right strategy for the Fever. If the team is entertaining but overmatched, the fans might still be engaged if they see a future with the young stars. But mediocrity is a terrible goal.


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PostPosted: 09/20/17 3:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This is the typical take-out-our-garbage trade home town fans like.

Yes, Bonner's a pretty good player, but she turns 31 next year. She, like many athletes, had her best year at age 27, and though of course she could return to that level, even then, she was not a player capable of carrying a team.

Robinson is also on the wrong side of aging curve, and any rebuilding team -- and Indiana certainly qualifies -- needs to get younger, not older.



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Send Dupree back to PX. Reunite Bonner/Dupree, keep Bonner in town.

Cannon and #8 for Dupree and #14

PX win now Indy rebuild

Indy gets a young big and a 2nd 1st round pick in deep draft to kick-start the rebuild. Enough to make the team watch-able but keep them in the lottery for another year.

PX gets a rejuvenated Dupree and Bonner back to compliment DT, Griner and Mitchell in the starting line up or bring her off the bench as the first offensive option an a 2nd unit and PX can still pick up someone useful at #14.


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Bringing Dupree back to phoenix makes no sense unless she's willing to play a lesser role.The last thing phoenix needs is Griner regressing back to the 4th option on offense.A Mitchell.Taurasi,Dupree combination would get exposed on defense in a series vs minny/LA....Unless phoenix is bolstering the rest of the roster with defensive players(January,Young,Stokes),a Dupree/mercury reunion should be off the table.


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PostPosted: 09/20/17 6:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

J-Spoon wrote:
Send Dupree back to PX. Reunite Bonner/Dupree, keep Bonner in town.

Cannon and #8 for Dupree and #14

PX win now Indy rebuild

Indy gets a young big and a 2nd 1st round pick in deep draft to kick-start the rebuild. Enough to make the team watch-able but keep them in the lottery for another year.

PX gets a rejuvenated Dupree and Bonner back to compliment DT, Griner and Mitchell in the starting line up or bring her off the bench as the first offensive option an a 2nd unit and PX can still pick up someone useful at #14.


Seriously? Cannon is younger than Dupree, but she is far from a "young big." She is a 28 year old who just now managed to get on a team.

I'm not opposed to trading Dupree, but Cannon has a trade value of precisely 0.


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PostPosted: 09/20/17 9:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I feel like we never should have traded Dupree in the first place.
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PostPosted: 09/20/17 10:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'm just trying to solve the Bonner/Dupree situation.

They could play separate, but Newly Weds with 1 year old twins who might be apart for a chunk of the fall/spring/winter I'm guessing for their Summer job they want to be on the same team.

So Bonner to Indy I'm still putting it at something like S. Johnson and #14 for Bonner.

By Adding Bonner to Dupree, T. Mitchell, January and Wheeler and the #2 pick Indy would be pretty good, but good enough for more than getting to the semis I doubt it, and probably not that far, so I think going young and moving on from Dupree's decent level of play in 2017 could be a better option for Indy.

Personally the more I think about it Dupree back to PX makes more sense. PX is win now. I could see Dupree coming off the bench in PX, they simply need someone better to start in front of her. Maybe they keep Little and start Little with DT, Bonner and Griner for defense, and bring Dupree in for scoring off the bench. Also there were time when PX looked like they needed some more punch on offense. Maybe time apart from the team will bring back a Dupree who is willing to fill a role on a good team.

One Indy fan said no to Cannon but didn't mention the #8 pick, would the #8 pick be enough?

#8 for Dupree I do it if I'm Indy. PX would be hurting itself down the road but would be in OK shape in 2018.

Of course neither team needs to accommodate getting Bonner and Dupree back on the same team, but then I think one of them could just sit out to stay with their new family and the team that has them gets nothing in return.


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PostPosted: 09/21/17 8:11 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

J-Spoon wrote:
I'm just trying to solve the Bonner/Dupree situation.

They could play separate, but Newly Weds with 1 year old twins who might be apart for a chunk of the fall/spring/winter I'm guessing for their Summer job they want to be on the same team.

So Bonner to Indy I'm still putting it at something like S. Johnson and #14 for Bonner.

By Adding Bonner to Dupree, T. Mitchell, January and Wheeler and the #2 pick Indy would be pretty good, but good enough for more than getting to the semis I doubt it, and probably not that far, so I think going young and moving on from Dupree's decent level of play in 2017 could be a better option for Indy.

Personally the more I think about it Dupree back to PX makes more sense. PX is win now. I could see Dupree coming off the bench in PX, they simply need someone better to start in front of her. Maybe they keep Little and start Little with DT, Bonner and Griner for defense, and bring Dupree in for scoring off the bench. Also there were time when PX looked like they needed some more punch on offense. Maybe time apart from the team will bring back a Dupree who is willing to fill a role on a good team.

One Indy fan said no to Cannon but didn't mention the #8 pick, would the #8 pick be enough?

#8 for Dupree I do it if I'm Indy. PX would be hurting itself down the road but would be in OK shape in 2018.

Of course neither team needs to accommodate getting Bonner and Dupree back on the same team, but then I think one of them could just sit out to stay with their new family and the team that has them gets nothing in return.


"#8 for Dupree I do it if I'm Indy."
I don't. Pokey made Dupree the center of her universe and a late first rounder straight up isn't enticing at all. People keep suggesting these lopsided trades. It's not Indiana's fault Phoenix broke up the newlyweds.

Phoenix knew Bonner and Dupree were married when they traded away Dupree. Common sense says they weighed the possibility of Bonner wanting out to stay with her wife and decided to go ahead with trading Dupree anyway. I agree with zune about Phoenix and Dupree. I doubt Griner makes the huge strides she made this year with Dupree (and Bonner) on the roster; there aren't enough shots to go around.

The other option is they could both end up on a third team.


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PostPosted: 09/21/17 9:20 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Pokey might not do it but that doesn't mean that Indiana shouldn't. Dupree's 33 years old. This team desperately needs to rebuild with youth, esecially considering they suck at the minute with the Dupree-led offense anyway. If the depth of this draft is as good as lots of people think it is, I'd be sorely tempted by that as Indiana.

I'm not sure If Phoenix do it, though. They only recently dumped Dupree for someone they felt was a better option at the 4; would they want to give up an asset to bring her right back?



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PostPosted: 09/21/17 9:33 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Phoenix has a window that is closing with DT's imminent departure (and Leilani Mitchell turns 33 next June) so bringing back Dupree and Bonner makes sense for a last run for glory.

It makes no sense in building for the future, and an Indiana lineup that resembles this year's hot mess makes no sense either. That said, Pokey may need to win some games to keep her job, so the Fever could go old, try to stagger to the semis, and kick the rebuilding can down the road.

Or Dupree could just sit out 2018.



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PostPosted: 09/21/17 9:58 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
Phoenix has a window that is closing with DT's imminent departure


Sounds like she's staying through 2020 if she stays hungry.

ClayK wrote:
Leilani Mitchell turns 33 next June


Don't worry about the Bunny. She just had her most ferocious year.

ClayK wrote:
so bringing back Dupree and Bonner makes sense for a last run for glory.


Bringing her back makes about as much sense as dispatching her in the first place. Did they undervalue her worth? Must be some reason they traded Dupree.

ClayK wrote:
It makes no sense in building for the future, and an Indiana lineup that resembles this year's hot mess makes no sense either.


It's like the Duke situation. Some people are incapable of factoring in how much of a role injuries played in their season. For Indiana, it was huge.

ClayK wrote:
Dupree could just sit out 2018.


Why would Dupree burn the club that believed in her? Makes absolutely no sense.



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PostPosted: 09/21/17 10:22 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The Shenise Johnson injury was huge, no question ... they were 6-8 without her, which works out to a 14-20 overall record assuming she played the rest of the season at that level.

Tiffany Mitchell, by PER, was a below-average player less effective than Erica Wheeler, and Briann January was even worse, and they were the other two players who missed significant time.

Of course, all three were on the perimeter, which forced the dismal Jazmon Gwathmey and Marissa Coleman into the lineup.

So yes, injuries were an issue, so there's some reason for hope, I guess, but 14-20 is still not anything to get excited about.

And given the age of Larkins, January and Dupree, improvement there is unlikely, though of course possible.

Finally, Dupree may decide that raising her children in Phoenix with Bonner is more important than playing in Indiana. I know nothing directly, of course, but it seems plausible. It's hard to figure out how things would work if Bonner and Dupree were in different cities 1,700 miles apart.



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PostPosted: 09/21/17 10:53 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
Phoenix has a window that is closing with DT's imminent departure (and Leilani Mitchell turns 33 next June) so bringing back Dupree and Bonner makes sense for a last run for glory.


Phoenix finished this year with a better record than they had with Bonner and Dupree last year. I don't see how adding them back in two years older improves things.


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We've slid off topic, but Indiana were terrible even before any injuries.



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Richyyy wrote:
We've slid off topic, but Indiana were terrible even before any injuries.


They came into the season with a couple disappointing losses in Peters and Lucas.

They started the season strong, winning 2 of the first 4 games including ones against CON and LAS.

They had a strong June, winning 5 of 8 games.

Then the slide began, winning only 1 game in July (PHX) and 1 in August (MIN).


Let's not kid ourselves. When a guard-oriented coach looses 3 of her top guards, that hurts.

Apparently January and Larkins had nagging issues all season long.

If they're healthy all season long, middle of the road team... maybe better. I'm including Peters being healthy.


So getting a lottery pick and getting healthy should improve their outlook greatly (especially with the #1 pick). If they can finagle Bonner without losing the lottery pick, all the better.



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PostPosted: 09/21/17 12:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
We've slid off topic, but Indiana were terrible even before any injuries.


They came into the season with a couple disappointing losses in Peters and Lucas.

They started the season strong, winning 2 of the first 4 games including ones against CON and LAS.

They had a strong June, winning 5 of 8 games.

Then the slide began, winning only 1 game in July (PHX) and 1 in August (MIN).


Let's not kid ourselves. When a guard-oriented coach looses 3 of her top guards, that hurts.

Apparently January and Larkins had nagging issues all season long.

If they're healthy all season long, middle of the road team... maybe better. I'm including Peters being healthy.


So getting a lottery pick and getting healthy should improve their outlook greatly (especially with the #1 pick). If they can finagle Bonner without losing the lottery pick, all the better.


So you think we could see 11 competitive teams next season? That would be awesome.


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Aladyyn wrote:

So you think we could see 11 competitive teams next season? That would be awesome.


It's going to be so competitive that we could see 11 teams slightly above .500 and one red-headed stepchild in San Antonio. Wink



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PostPosted: 09/21/17 4:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Phoenix,"going back to the future",and Indiana giving up quality assets for Bonner makes no sense...So here's a 3-way trade proposal that could work....this trade was inspired by "miller40" idea of sending Bonner/Dupree to a 3rd team.

Washington gets:Bonner & Dupree(Dupree comes off the bench)

Phoenix gets:Meesseman,January & S.Johnson

Indiana gets:the #7 pick(wash),the #8 pick(phoe), & D.Robinson


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PostPosted: 10/07/17 5:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Minnesota asst coach James wade will be a assistant Coach for UMMC Ekaterinburg....this is great news for Griner.


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With Mistie Bass playing in Australia, any chance she comes back to the Mercury in 2018?



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With Mistie Bass playing in Australia, any chance she comes back to the Mercury in 2018?


or anyplace in the W? I don't think Phoenix own her rights. I thought she was a useful backup who could help out in a number of places. But she's also not getting any younger.



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I think if she's interested in coming back, someone will sign her.



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With this being Taurasis last year in Russia, it will be interesting to see how her body feels. Sometimes it is a catch 22. You play year round and get beat up but if you don't then it takes more time to get going in the short W season.


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PostPosted: 10/08/17 6:46 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

bballjunkie wrote:
With this being Taurasis last year in Russia, it will be interesting to see how her body feels. Sometimes it is a catch 22. You play year round and get beat up but if you don't then it takes more time to get going in the short W season.


That won’t come up until 2019 season, at which point the Catch 22 is she’ll be, what, 37?


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