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PostPosted: 02/27/18 7:39 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

No, he stated that it was a fair enough that deal that he would have done it, not that he preferred it.

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If the Mystics can land Delle Donne without giving up their sharpshooting PF/C Emma Meesseman (considered un-tradable by the Mystics, according to the Vice article) they'll likely have one of the most potent offenses in the league.


Doesn’t sound like he preferred getting rid of Meesseman there.

And in that article that you posted, it states Chicago should have been concerned about Meesseman not showing up using national team commitments as an excuse. But he didn’t foresee that as a problem for the Mystics. Now he’s second-guessing and intimating Thibault should have known better.



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Shades wrote:
No, he stated that it was a fair enough that deal that he would have done it, not that he preferred it.

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If the Mystics can land Delle Donne without giving up their sharpshooting PF/C Emma Meesseman (considered un-tradable by the Mystics, according to the Vice article) they'll likely have one of the most potent offenses in the league.


Doesn’t sound like he preferred getting rid of Meesseman there.

And in that article that you posted, it states Chicago should have been concerned about Meesseman not showing up using national team commitments as an excuse. But he didn’t foresee that as a problem for the Mystics. Now he’s second-guessing and intimidating Thibault should have known better.


He never said she was untradeable. He is basing both his articles on the premise that the Mystics had said she was untradeable. He's therefore not wasting the readers' time with what-if scenarios that he knows will not happen. In fact, he DID point out that she would miss time which is why he put her in the long-term loser category.


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Nerd2 wrote:
Shades wrote:
No, he stated that it was a fair enough that deal that he would have done it, not that he preferred it.

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If the Mystics can land Delle Donne without giving up their sharpshooting PF/C Emma Meesseman (considered un-tradable by the Mystics, according to the Vice article) they'll likely have one of the most potent offenses in the league.


Doesn’t sound like he preferred getting rid of Meesseman there.

And in that article that you posted, it states Chicago should have been concerned about Meesseman not showing up using national team commitments as an excuse. But he didn’t foresee that as a problem for the Mystics. Now he’s second-guessing and intimidating Thibault should have known better.


He never said she was untradeable. He is basing both his articles on the premise that the Mystics had said she was untradeable. He's therefore not wasting the readers' time with what-if scenarios that he knows will not happen.


I can see why you’re defending this guy for his hindsight. You’re using the same kind of logic that you used when you initially liked the SEA trade of their first round pick for Swords and later criticized when it didn’t pan out. You said your initial response was based on assuming the GM knew what she was doing. Huh? You’re supposed to have your own opinion and own up to it, and among this author’s opinions are Meesseman is “sharpshooting” and would be part of “one of the most potent offenses”, and that’s just in that one small quote.

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In fact, he DID point out that she would miss time which is why he put her in the long-term loser category.


Where did he do this?



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Shades wrote:
Nerd2 wrote:
Shades wrote:
No, he stated that it was a fair enough that deal that he would have done it, not that he preferred it.

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If the Mystics can land Delle Donne without giving up their sharpshooting PF/C Emma Meesseman (considered un-tradable by the Mystics, according to the Vice article) they'll likely have one of the most potent offenses in the league.


Doesn’t sound like he preferred getting rid of Meesseman there.

And in that article that you posted, it states Chicago should have been concerned about Meesseman not showing up using national team commitments as an excuse. But he didn’t foresee that as a problem for the Mystics. Now he’s second-guessing and intimidating Thibault should have known better.


He never said she was untradeable. He is basing both his articles on the premise that the Mystics had said she was untradeable. He's therefore not wasting the readers' time with what-if scenarios that he knows will not happen.


I can see why you’re defending this guy for his hindsight. You’re using the same kind of logic that you used when you initially liked the SEA trade of their first round pick for Swords and later criticized when it didn’t pan out. You said your initial response was based on assuming the GM knew what she was doing. Huh? You’re supposed to have your own opinion and own up to it, and among this author’s opinions are Meesseman is “sharpshooting” and would be part of “one of the most potent offenses”, and that’s just in that one small quote.

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In fact, he DID point out that she would miss time which is why he put her in the long-term loser category.


Where did he do this?


The other readers can read the two articles and judge for themselves. I found the writer to lay out a logical argument. It makes his current article look like the realization of his concerns last year.

Why does this always turn into a personal attack? It also veers off topic and brings in some previous topic that has no bearing on this conversation. I won't even argue how you cherry-picked my statements to form this argument. It's an attempt to deflect and if you want to play it that way, fine. He is using a piece of insider information that he has in order to make an analysis. He is not wasting the readers' time by throwing out scenarios that he knows will not happen. It's similar to what I was doing when I insisted that Natasha Howard was not a lock to stay in Minnesota and threw out ignored hints that Renee Montgomery would be moving on. Someone else stuck his neck waaay out with the opposite argument and ended up looking bad when his amazing knowledge got proven wrong.




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Nerd2 wrote:
Shades wrote:
Nerd2 wrote:
Shades wrote:
No, he stated that it was a fair enough that deal that he would have done it, not that he preferred it.

Quote:
If the Mystics can land Delle Donne without giving up their sharpshooting PF/C Emma Meesseman (considered un-tradable by the Mystics, according to the Vice article) they'll likely have one of the most potent offenses in the league.


Doesn’t sound like he preferred getting rid of Meesseman there.

And in that article that you posted, it states Chicago should have been concerned about Meesseman not showing up using national team commitments as an excuse. But he didn’t foresee that as a problem for the Mystics. Now he’s second-guessing and intimidating Thibault should have known better.


He never said she was untradeable. He is basing both his articles on the premise that the Mystics had said she was untradeable. He's therefore not wasting the readers' time with what-if scenarios that he knows will not happen.


I can see why you’re defending this guy for his hindsight. You’re using the same kind of logic that you used when you initially liked the SEA trade of their first round pick for Swords and later criticized when it didn’t pan out. You said your initial response was based on assuming the GM knew what she was doing. Huh? You’re supposed to have your own opinion and own up to it, and among this author’s opinions are Meesseman is “sharpshooting” and would be part of “one of the most potent offenses”, and that’s just in that one small quote.

Nerd2 wrote:
In fact, he DID point out that she would miss time which is why he put her in the long-term loser category.


Where did he do this?


The other readers can read the two articles and judge for themselves. I found the writer to lay out a logical argument. It makes his current article look like the realization of his concerns last year.

Why does this always turn into a personal attack brings in some previous topic that has no bearing on this conversation. I won't even argue how you cherry-picked my statements to form this argument. It's an attempt to deflect and if you want to play it that way, fine. He is using a piece of insider information that he has in order to make an analysis. He is not wasting the readers' time by throwing out scenarios that he knows will not happen. It's similar to what I was doing when I insisted that Natasha Howard was not a lock to stay in Minnesota and threw out ignored hints that Renee Montgomery would be moving on. Someone else stuck his neck waaay out with the opposite argument and ended up looking bad when his amazing knowledge got proven wrong.



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It's similar to what I was doing when I insisted that Natasha Howard was not a lock to stay in Minnesota and threw out ignored hints that Renee Montgomery would be moving on. Someone else stuck his neck waaay out with the opposite argument and ended up looking bad when his amazing knowledge got proven wrong.


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It's unfortunate Shades' skin is so thin, and he/she makes things personal.



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mavcarter wrote:
Nerd2 wrote:
It's similar to what I was doing when I insisted that Natasha Howard was not a lock to stay in Minnesota and threw out ignored hints that Renee Montgomery would be moving on. Someone else stuck his neck waaay out with the opposite argument and ended up looking bad when his amazing knowledge got proven wrong.


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That’s Nerd serving up some hypocrisy. She considers me bringing up how she was in favor of the Swords trade (and having good reason doing so) as a “personal attack” and look how she actually got personal there.... and talk about deflection.

Yeah, I considered Howard a lock. There’s no shame in that. She’s a good player and the team article stated the team wanted her back. That’s a fact.

Nerd was trying to say Howard wasn’t a lock because the Lynx couldn’t afford her. This wasn’t a fact.

As of now, nobody knows for sure why the Lynx didn’t sign Howard after previously stating in the article they wanted her back. One could surmise that Wade now has a lot of influence in the signings, and they decided to go with this French player he’s familiar with instead. If it works out, great. Seems pretty risky to me if you’re going for that drive for five this season.

As far as Montgomery goes, I was the one who pointed out the Lynx had doubts about her in that same Lynx season preview article. So I was not at all surprised she signed elsewhere. Somebody obviously gave her a better multi-year deal. Right now I’m not particularly happy they didn’t sign her because what have they got now? Are they going to sign that other French player they drafted? Putting all the eggs in the French basket?

I’m less about making predictions on what the Lynx will do, and more about giving opinions about what they should do and have done. See the difference?



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ClayK wrote:
It's unfortunate Shades' skin is so thin, and he/she makes things personal.


Very unfortunate.



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sigur3 wrote:
ClayK wrote:
It's unfortunate Shades' skin is so thin, and he/she makes things personal.


Very unfortunate.


At a certain point it becomes pointless to respond, too. When the software comes in to selectively block individuals, I suspect there will be a lot less getting under his skin, too.

Back to Meesseman, though. She is in a similar position to Ramu Tokashiki as the absolute star of her team. It sounds like Thibault decided that a few months of rest and preparation might be better for her long-term. The Belgian team has a closing window though unless they get a next generation talent to replace Ann Wauters.


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From the perspective of the Belgians it makes perfect sense. Most teams want their squad together for the weeks leading up to a major tornament, so that they can prepare. So they don't really give a toss about her being in the US for May, June, July, and even most of August. But the US runs it really close with the WNBA playoffs and the Worlds. The playoffs start August 21st and might not end until September 16th; the Worlds start on September 22nd. So inevitably, the time they'd want her to miss clashes with the playoffs (assuming the team stuck around for a round or two).

Might not be great for the Aussies, either. Both some key players and their head coach could potentially be otherwise engaged until five days before the Worlds start 5,000 miles away. Alternatively, Wings fans might not be too happy if Cambage carries them to their best ever season and then buggers off just as the playoffs start.



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Shades wrote:
mavcarter wrote:
Nerd2 wrote:
It's similar to what I was doing when I insisted that Natasha Howard was not a lock to stay in Minnesota and threw out ignored hints that Renee Montgomery would be moving on. Someone else stuck his neck waaay out with the opposite argument and ended up looking bad when his amazing knowledge got proven wrong.


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That’s Nerd serving up some hypocrisy. She considers me bringing up how she was in favor of the Swords trade (and having good reason doing so) as a “personal attack” and look how she actually got personal there.... and talk about deflection.

Yeah, I considered Howard a lock. There’s no shame in that. She’s a good player and the team article stated the team wanted her back.

That’s a fact.

Nerd was trying to say Howard wasn’t a lock because the Lynx couldn’t afford her. This wasn’t a fact.

As of now, nobody knows for sure why the Lynx didn’t sign Howard after previously stating in the article they wanted her back. One could surmise that Wade now has a lot of influence in the signings, and they decided to go with this French player he’s familiar with instead. If it works out, great. Seems pretty risky to me if you’re going for that drive for five this season.

As far as Montgomery goes, I was the one who pointed out the Lynx had doubts about her in that same Lynx season preview article. So I was not at all surprised she signed elsewhere. Somebody obviously gave her a better multi-year deal. Right now I’m not particularly happy they didn’t sign her because what have they got now? Are they going to sign that other French player they drafted? Putting all the eggs in the French basket?

I’m less about making predictions on what the Lynx will do, and more about giving opinions about what they should do and have done. See the difference?



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From the perspective of the Belgians it makes perfect sense. Most teams want their squad together for the weeks leading up to a major tornament, so that they can prepare. So they don't really give a toss about her being in the US for May, June, July, and even most of August. But the US runs it really close with the WNBA playoffs and the Worlds. The playoffs start August 21st and might not end until September 16th; the Worlds start on September 22nd. So inevitably, the time they'd want her to miss clashes with the playoffs (assuming the team stuck around for a round or two).

Might not be great for the Aussies, either. Both some key players and their head coach could potentially be otherwise engaged until five days before the Worlds start 5,000 miles away. Alternatively, Wings fans might not be too happy if Cambage carries them to their best ever season and then buggers off just as the playoffs start.


According to the article, the Belgians were willing to let her play the regular season but wanted her to miss the playoffs, which is why I feel Thibault just decided that a season of rest made sense.

The timing is so tight, too. In order to fit it all in, the Finals would need to start around Thursday, Sep 6. Even a sweep would end on the following Tuesday or Wednesday which would be 10 days before the first World Cup game.


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Nerd2 wrote:
sigur3 wrote:
ClayK wrote:
It's unfortunate Shades' skin is so thin, and he/she makes things personal.


Very unfortunate.


At a certain point it becomes pointless to respond, too. When the software comes in to selectively block individuals, I suspect there will be a lot less getting under his skin, too.

Back to Meesseman, though. She is in a similar position to Ramu Tokashiki as the absolute star of her team. It sounds like Thibault decided that a few months of rest and preparation might be better for her long-term. The Belgian team has a closing window though unless they get a next generation talent to replace Ann Wauters.

This is probably the main reason why Emma is sitting out. This World Cup is the biggest event the Cats will probably ever have a real fighting chance in. 3 stars surrounded by role players is doable, only 2 and it gets a LOT tougher (see the Lynx-Mystics series from last season). Wauters is still their go-to in crucial situations and I'm not aware of any player on that squad that even looks to have a chance at filling her shoes. This World Cup is do or die for Belgium, and Emma is treating it that way.

I'm not even sure just how much this really affects the Mystics. Nobody had us beating Lynx/Sparks this year anyways, so we're aiming at taking some games in the semis? Meh. Delle Donne by herself might get us back to semis. 2019 is when the juggernauts should fall off, that's when we need the full strength team.


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The Mystics are looking for a wing player in the 2018 WNBA Draft

https://www.bulletsforever.com/mystics/2018/4/6/17207216/mike-thibault-wnba-draft-wing-players

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Talk about damning by faint praise.....



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pilight wrote:
The Mystics are looking for a wing player in the 2018 WNBA Draft

https://www.bulletsforever.com/mystics/2018/4/6/17207216/mike-thibault-wnba-draft-wing-players

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she’s essentially a young TRP


How many assists did TRP have in her last two years of college? Gabby is way more versatile. I doubt Gabby falls that far, but if she does, nice pick up for them.



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Shades wrote:
pilight wrote:
The Mystics are looking for a wing player in the 2018 WNBA Draft

https://www.bulletsforever.com/mystics/2018/4/6/17207216/mike-thibault-wnba-draft-wing-players

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she’s essentially a young TRP


How many assists did TRP have in her last two years of college? Gabby is way more versatile. I doubt Gabby falls that far, but if she does, nice pick up for them.


Also how many points did TRP have her senior year vs Gabby's ? That will play an important factor also.



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WNBA 09 wrote:
Shades wrote:
pilight wrote:
The Mystics are looking for a wing player in the 2018 WNBA Draft

https://www.bulletsforever.com/mystics/2018/4/6/17207216/mike-thibault-wnba-draft-wing-players

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she’s essentially a young TRP


How many assists did TRP have in her last two years of college? Gabby is way more versatile. I doubt Gabby falls that far, but if she does, nice pick up for them.


Also how many points did TRP have her senior year vs Gabby's ? That will play an important factor also.


Ruffin-Pratt scored 541 points as a senior, compared to 402 for Williams

Assists in their last two college seasons: 210 for TRP, 381 for GW.

Williams is likely to be drafted higher than Ruffin-Pratt was.



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As I mentioned on Twitter the other day, Kia Nurse strikes me as very Thibaultian. Except that she might be too good of a shooter compared to the wings he's thrown out over the years.



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pilight wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Shades wrote:
pilight wrote:
The Mystics are looking for a wing player in the 2018 WNBA Draft

https://www.bulletsforever.com/mystics/2018/4/6/17207216/mike-thibault-wnba-draft-wing-players

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she’s essentially a young TRP


How many assists did TRP have in her last two years of college? Gabby is way more versatile. I doubt Gabby falls that far, but if she does, nice pick up for them.


Also how many points did TRP have her senior year vs Gabby's ? That will play an important factor also.


Ruffin-Pratt scored 541 points as a senior, compared to 402 for Williams

Assists in their last two college seasons: 210 for TRP, 381 for GW.

Williams is likely to be drafted higher than Ruffin-Pratt was.


If Gabby Williams gets drafted at all, she'll be drafted higher than TRP. Ruffin-Pratt was an undrafted camp invite who made the roster and has lasted through several drafts.



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One of these two players being compared can/has:

High jump 6 ft; 2.25 inches.
Jump 36 inch off the floor.
Rebound, drive through the defense and score at the other end.
Make unbelievable passes and has great passing skills.
Defend better than 99.97% of all college players.
Drive quicker/faster and use either hand to score.
Completely disrupt an opposing offense.
Play hard for 40 minutes straight without hardly breaking a sweat.
Dives and saves any loose ball within range.
Steal the basketball from a locked safe.
Run faster than a speeding bullet.
Has the heart of a lion.
Played on two College Championship teams and four final fours.
Rebounds like a gazelle and scores put-backs.
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RavenDog wrote:
One of these two players being compared can/has:

High jump 6 ft; 2.25 inches.
Jump 36 inch off the floor.
Rebound, drive through the defense and score at the other end.
Make unbelievable passes and has great passing skills.
Defend better than 99.97% of all college players.
Drive quicker/faster and use either hand to score.
Completely disrupt an opposing offense.
Play hard for 40 minutes straight without hardly breaking a sweat.
Dives and saves any loose ball within range.
Steal the basketball from a locked safe.
Run faster than a speeding bullet.
Has the heart of a lion.
Played on two College Championship teams and four final fours.
Rebounds like a gazelle and scores put-backs.
Consensus first team All American more than once.


Lets wait until her WNBA Career begins to judge....



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PG: Toliver/Cloud
SG: Hill/Walker-Kimbrough/Atkins
SF: Ruffin-Pratt/Currie
PF: Delle Donne/Sanders/Peters
C: KThomas/Hawkins



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Toliver/Cloud
Atkins/Walker-Kimbrough/Hill(until 100%)
Currie/Ruffin-Pratt
Delle Donne/Hawkins/Hines-Allen
KThomas/Sanders

Greenwell (deferred)

This is kinda yuck.



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Shades wrote:
Toliver/Cloud
Atkins/Walker-Kimbrough/Hill(until 100%)
Currie/Ruffin-Pratt
Delle Donne/Hawkins/Hines-Allen
KThomas/Sanders

Greenwell (deferred)

This is kinda yuck.


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I really hate that our PG rotation is this limited. When will Toliver get to play off the ball? Will she at all?


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Shades wrote:
Toliver/Cloud
Atkins/Walker-Kimbrough/Hill(until 100%)
Currie/Ruffin-Pratt
Delle Donne/Hawkins/Hines-Allen
KThomas/Sanders

Greenwell (deferred)

This is kinda yuck.


I think it will be

Cloud
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Shades wrote:
Toliver/Cloud
Atkins/Walker-Kimbrough/Hill(until 100%)
Currie/Ruffin-Pratt
Delle Donne/Hawkins/Hines-Allen
KThomas/Sanders

Greenwell (deferred)

This is kinda yuck.


I think it will be

Cloud
Toliver
Currie
EDD
Thomas as your day 1 starters.

TRP over Cloud imo


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Aladyyn wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Shades wrote:
Toliver/Cloud
Atkins/Walker-Kimbrough/Hill(until 100%)
Currie/Ruffin-Pratt
Delle Donne/Hawkins/Hines-Allen
KThomas/Sanders

Greenwell (deferred)

This is kinda yuck.


I think it will be

Cloud
Toliver
Currie
EDD
Thomas as your day 1 starters.

TRP over Cloud imo


I Agree also , but Toliver was most effective last season playing off the ball. I think it will benefit washington more to have cloud start instead of TRP. They can bring Currie off the bench and insert TRP to resolve .



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Thibault could have drafted Lexie Brown, so it doesn’t look like he sees his PG situation as a problem.



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WNBA 09 wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Shades wrote:
Toliver/Cloud
Atkins/Walker-Kimbrough/Hill(until 100%)
Currie/Ruffin-Pratt
Delle Donne/Hawkins/Hines-Allen
KThomas/Sanders

Greenwell (deferred)

This is kinda yuck.


I think it will be

Cloud
Toliver
Currie
EDD
Thomas as your day 1 starters.

TRP over Cloud imo


I Agree also , but Toliver was most effective last season playing off the ball. I think it will benefit washington more to have cloud start instead of TRP. They can bring Currie off the bench and insert TRP to resolve .

But then who runs our 2nd unit? I don't trust either of TRP/Hill to be the primary ball-handler...


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Thibault could have drafted Lexie Brown, so it doesn’t look like he sees his PG situation as a problem.

Or Kia Nurse, who would be a great fit for what we're trying to do and while a bit of a reach, well he reached for Atkins anyways so there's no difference there Very Happy


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Addition by subtraction...Last season:10-13 with Emma...8-3 without...Washington playing a more conventional lineup will increase their win total.


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Addition by subtraction...Last season:10-13 with Emma...8-3 without...Washington playing a more conventional lineup will increase their win total.


What was the record with Emma + EDD?


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Depth Chart:

PG:
1. Kristi Toliver
2. Natasha Cloud
3. Rebecca Greenwell

SG:
1. Tayler Hill
2. Ariel Atkins
3. Allison Hightower

SF:
1. Tierra Ruffin-Pratt
2. Monique Currie
3. Shatori Walker-Kimbrough
4. Asia Taylor

PF:
1. Elena Delle Donne
2. Myisha Hines-Allen
3. Devereaux Peters

C:
1. Krystal Thomas
2. Tianna Hawkins
3. LaToya Sanders
N/A: Emma Meeseeman


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Greenwell is not really a PG, especially at the W level and she's NA this year anyway
Atkins and SWK are very similar and probably both better suited to SG than SF but perhaps could play SF against smaller teams

Therefore massive jam at SG

Asia Taylor is a tweener so unclear position. Ditto Hines Allen. I think there were much more auspicious places for Hines Allen to land.

Maybe Sanders can be used at the C but not really Hawkins...so one true C in Krystal Thomas.

Not sure if they can carry 12 besides Hill, then activate her mid season or not.



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myrtle wrote:
Greenwell is not really a PG, especially at the W level and she's NA this year anyway
Atkins and SWK are very similar and probably both better suited to SG than SF but perhaps could play SF against smaller teams

Therefore massive jam at SG

Asia Taylor is a tweener so unclear position. Ditto Hines Allen. I think there were much more auspicious places for Hines Allen to land.

Maybe Sanders can be used at the C but not really Hawkins...so one true C in Krystal Thomas.



Why is Greenwell going to be N/A?


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Aladyyn wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Addition by subtraction...Last season:10-13 with Emma...8-3 without...Washington playing a more conventional lineup will increase their win total.


What was the record with Emma + EDD?


6-9 with EDD & Emma

14-11 w/EDD...4-5 without

10-8 w/Hill...8-8 without.

3-6 w/EDD.EM,and TH.




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Her most recent surgery was yesterday, Thursday morning, on her right knee. It was the same day as the WNBA draft.

“I was expected to get picked 2nd or 3rd round, but it was getting down to the end - and my name still wasn’t called, so I was starting to get a little nervous but then I saw my name pop up with the Washington Mystics in the 3rd round so that was huge relieve,” Greenwell recalled.

First the surgery, then the draft. Now, nine months of recovery and building up her strength to keep that spot in the pros.


http://www.wect.com/story/37954898/owensboro-native-becca-greenwell-drafted-into-wnba



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Her most recent surgery was yesterday, Thursday morning, on her right knee. It was the same day as the WNBA draft.

“I was expected to get picked 2nd or 3rd round, but it was getting down to the end - and my name still wasn’t called, so I was starting to get a little nervous but then I saw my name pop up with the Washington Mystics in the 3rd round so that was huge relieve,” Greenwell recalled.

First the surgery, then the draft. Now, nine months of recovery and building up her strength to keep that spot in the pros.


http://www.wect.com/story/37954898/owensboro-native-becca-greenwell-drafted-into-wnba


Ok thanks


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from the other thread:

Richyyy wrote:
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pilight wrote:
Tinara Moore and Tanaya Atkinson to the Mystics


What are the chances 1 or 2 of Myisha Hines-Allen, AJ Alix, Tinara Moore or Tanaya Atkinson make the Mystics roster coming out training camp ?

Pretty slim, considering there are already 14 names in this group:
Toliver/Cloud/Hightower
Hill/Atkins/Walker-Kimbrough
Ruffin-Pratt/Currie/Taylor
Delle Donne/Hawkins/Peters
Thomas/Sanders


I think Hines-Allen has an excellent chance, so I'd guess both Taylor and Peters could possibly go. As much as I like T. Moore, her chances are pretty remote. So if they keep 7 SF thru Post positions...
Which 5 guards stay are a bit of a coin toss. Can Hightower return to pre injury form? It's been a couple of years so I'm guessing she will have to show something special in preseason to stay. Cloud has never much impressed but she is big and has a good A/TO and Mike seems to like her...so it seems like AJ would have to show a lot to displace her as the backup PG. Theoretically Cloud can play multiple positions but since she can't shoot, that's not a reality. This is SWK's second year so she too will need to show improvement. What's the story with Hill? Will she be available to start the season? Even if she's 'ready' I would suspect she won't be 100%. So with all the questions at SG, I guess that's why he's got so many guards coming to camp.



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I was actually pleased with Cloud's shooting this past season .



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I was actually pleased with Cloud's shooting this past season .


31-23-74 is not good anywhere. Or do you mean you were pleased because you're not a Mystics fan?



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I was actually pleased with Cloud's shooting this past season .


31-23-74 is not good anywhere. Or do you mean you were pleased because you're not a Mystics fan?


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now that I look at this roster, they look like a lottery team to me...joining Chicago and Indiana as the bottom dwellers. Still haven't decided who the 4th will be.



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myrtle wrote:
now that I look at this roster, they look like a lottery team to me...joining Chicago and Indiana as the bottom dwellers. Still haven't decided who the 4th will be.


EDD-Toliver-Hill (health?) is still a better top 3 then Wilson-McBride-Jefferson (health?). Also i think the Mystics have better role players Currie, TRP, Thomas, Hawkins etc.



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Depth Chart:

PG:
1. Kristi Toliver
2. Natasha Cloud
3. Rebecca Greenwell

SG:
1. Tayler Hill
2. Ariel Atkins
3. Allison Hightower

SF:
1. Tierra Ruffin-Pratt
2. Monique Currie
3. Shatori Walker-Kimbrough
4. Asia Taylor

PF:
1. Elena Delle Donne
2. Myisha Hines-Allen
3. Devereaux Peters

C:
1. Krystal Thomas
2. Tianna Hawkins
3. LaToya Sanders
N/A: Emma Meeseeman


My starting lineup:

PG: Toliver
SG: Currie
SF: TRP
PF: EDD
C: Thomas

Coach Thibault is very defense-minded and likes Cloud's defense a lot. She'll be a great anchor for the second team. With this starting bunch, we've got 2 defensive liabilities in Toliver and EDD and 3 solid D players in Currie, TRP and Thomas. Also, both Currie and TRP are solid rebounders.

Currie is interesting since she used to be known as all offense/no defense and also was not known for her 3 pt shooting. She has re-made herself to extend her career after her 2nd ACL tear signalled she'd never return to previous offensive explosiveness. She's remained in the league for her 3 pt shooting, defense and rebounding, along with decision-making in crunch time. She can be the one to inbound the ball with the game on the line, leaving the PG on the floor. That right there can make the difference between a win or loss in a game that goes to the wire. Other than height, Currie is playing the PF on defense, moving opponents out of the paint with her body and keeping them out to get the rebound. EDD can defend off the ball and swoop in for a block or gather the rebound after Currie, TRP & Thomas have cleared the lane. Since Currie can guard both wings and post players (except for the height difference with much taller posts), Currie has a lot of value on defense.

When Cloud comes in, Toliver can switch to SG or get a breather, then come back in as Cloud continues running point. If Toliver stays in, Currie can switch to SF. Back ups for SG & SF are SWK, Atkins, Hightower, with the order depending on how they show out in practice. SWK in particular will benefit from going up against Mo Currie in practice as her game minutes will go up if she can play SF - especially after Tayler Hill returns. SWK has to get stronger and tougher as well as hit the outside shot in order to get minutes. Atkins, IMHO, has the upper edge in toughness already so SWK's work is cut out for her.

FYI, my analysis of Mo Currie is based on her being my favorite player all time, while also being fully aware of her weaknesses. I am proud of her for finding a way to stay in the game after her explosiveness was gone.[/b]



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My starting lineup:

PG: Toliver
SG: Currie
SF: TRP
PF: EDD
C: Thomas



RAF I kinda like this lineup, though I think when Hill is really healthy she will be the starter. At which point I would start Currie at the SF (even though she's getting toward the end of her career) instead of TRP. TRP to me has always been a decent backup but not really a starter. The only reason not to do that might be that Mo is a better scorer so can come in with the 'second' squad to be a scorer...especially since Cloud is not a scorer so it could offset that issue.



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PG Toliver
SG Atkins
SF Currie
PF Delle Donne
C Thomas

Also, I have a feeling coming out of training camp AJ Alix will make the Mystics roster.


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