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Who will win this game?
Lynx
55%
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Mystics
44%
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PostPosted: 09/17/17 4:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
lynxmania wrote:
I feel bad for Emma. This game has been a disaster for her.


true. this series has been a disaster. too bad because she is better than she's shown. still I'm not sure why Mike didn't bench her. Try someone else when it was clear she still couldn't hit the broad side of the barn. It's not like she is a defensive stopper.



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PostPosted: 09/17/17 4:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Resistance was futile. Your 2017 future has been absorbed. We are Los Lynx. Resistance was futile.



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PostPosted: 09/17/17 4:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
GO LYNX!!!! woo hooo!!!
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PostPosted: 09/17/17 4:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
zune69 wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:


Why would we downgrade? Only Hayes is better and the gap in ability doesn't make up for the gap in attitude.


The only thing Hill does better than Johnson/Mcbride is shoot bricks.


Selection of guards less efficient than Tayler Hill in 2017:

Kayla McBride (hi)
Odyssey Sims
Lindsay Whalen
Epiphanny Prince
Jasmine Thomas
Courtney Williams
Brittney Sykes
Tiffany Mitchell
Erica Wheeler
Sugar Rodgers
Alex Bentley

But sure, bricks Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 09/17/17 4:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
myrtle wrote:
lynxmania wrote:
I feel bad for Emma. This game has been a disaster for her.


true. this series has been a disaster. too bad because she is better than she's shown. still I'm not sure why Mike didn't bench her. Try someone else when it was clear she still couldn't hit the broad side of the barn. It's not like she is a defensive stopper.


Try who? He needed Emma to go out there and hit shots to have a shot at winning.
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PostPosted: 09/17/17 4:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Aladyyn wrote:
myrtle wrote:
lynxmania wrote:
I feel bad for Emma. This game has been a disaster for her.


true. this series has been a disaster. too bad because she is better than she's shown. still I'm not sure why Mike didn't bench her. Try someone else when it was clear she still couldn't hit the broad side of the barn. It's not like she is a defensive stopper.


Try who? He needed Emma to go out there and hit shots to have a shot at winning.


hightower or SWK. Both of them can add some offense. Or Cloud for defense and to get Toliver off the ball. A few more minutes for Hawkins - she could pull some defense out. It wasn't like he had no options ...and Minny were just totally giving Emma wide open looks. If she can't hit them then she shouldn't be out there.



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PostPosted: 09/17/17 4:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
myrtle wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:
myrtle wrote:
lynxmania wrote:
I feel bad for Emma. This game has been a disaster for her.


true. this series has been a disaster. too bad because she is better than she's shown. still I'm not sure why Mike didn't bench her. Try someone else when it was clear she still couldn't hit the broad side of the barn. It's not like she is a defensive stopper.


Try who? He needed Emma to go out there and hit shots to have a shot at winning.


hightower or SWK. Both of them can add some offense. Or Cloud for defense and to get Toliver off the ball. A few more minutes for Hawkins - she could pull some defense out. It wasn't like he had no options ...and Minny were just totally giving Emma wide open looks. If she can't hit them then she shouldn't be out there.


But we know she CAN hit those shots, even if she didn't tonight. I think it's better to bank on cold Emma than the inconsistent Hightower and Hawkins. SWK hasn't seen the floor all playoffs (something I don't like and don't agree with), can't really put her out there in a situation like this.

He believed in Emma and I'm sure he still does. I do too. That's why I agree with his decision to keep her out there.
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PostPosted: 09/17/17 4:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Pokey Chatman is talking live about the game on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD2hWPwDDcM&feature=push-lsb&attr_tag=zu0lDRduulfQLKf2-6
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PostPosted: 09/17/17 4:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Aladyyn wrote:


Selection of guards less efficient than Tayler Hill in 2017:

Kayla McBride (hi)
Odyssey Sims
Lindsay Whalen
Epiphanny Prince
Jasmine Thomas
Courtney Williams
Brittney Sykes
Tiffany Mitchell
Erica Wheeler
Sugar Rodgers
Alex Bentley

But sure, bricks Rolling Eyes


1.Bentley,Rodgers,and Prince had mediocre/inconsistent offensive seasons.All 3 players are better suited coming off the bench.

2.Mcbride,Sims,Whalen,and Thomas are all better than Hill.

3.Mitchell,Sykes,and Williams have only played one or two seasons respectively.

2017:
Wheeler:11.8/2.2/4.1/1.3/40%/33%/79%

Hill:13.3/1.9/2.6/.8/36%/30%/94%

Wheeler was more efficient without having the luxury of playing with a superstar player.




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PostPosted: 09/17/17 4:56 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
zune69 wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:


Selection of guards less efficient than Tayler Hill in 2017:

Kayla McBride (hi)
Odyssey Sims
Lindsay Whalen
Epiphanny Prince
Jasmine Thomas
Courtney Williams
Brittney Sykes
Tiffany Mitchell
Erica Wheeler
Sugar Rodgers
Alex Bentley

But sure, bricks Rolling Eyes


1.Bentley,Rodgers,and Prince had mediocre/inconsistent offensive seasons.All 3 players are better suited coming off the bench.

2.Mcbride,Sims,Whalen,and Thomas are all better than Hill.

3.Mitchell,Sykes,and Williams have only played one or two seasons respectively.

2017:
Wheeler:11.8/2.2/4.1/1.3/40%/55%/79%

Hill:13.3/1.9/2.6/.8/36%/30%/94%

Wheeler was more efficient without having the luxury of playing with a superstar player.


11.8 points on 11.5 FGA
13.3 points on 10.6 FGA

Which is more efficient again?
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PostPosted: 09/17/17 5:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
I called a semi-finals sweep of both Washington and Phoenix. Seems I was right. Thibault cannot coach in the big games to save his life. Never could, never will.
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PostPosted: 09/17/17 5:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Aladyyn wrote:


11.8 points on 11.5 FGA
13.3 points on 10.6 FGA

Which is more efficient again?


40% fg > 36%

33% 3ptfg > 30%

4.1a > 2.6a

2.2r > 1.9r

1.3s > .8

And again,Wheeler did this without playing with a superstar player.And imo wheeler is a bench player,not a starter.




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PostPosted: 09/17/17 5:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
zune69 wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:


11.8 points on 11.5 FGA
13.3 points on 10.6 FGA

Which is more efficient again?


40% fg > 36%

33% 3ptfg > 30%

4.1a > 2.6a

2.2r > 1.9r

1.3s > .8

And again,Wheeler did this without playing with a superstar player.


I mean if you ignore volume and the fact that one player gets to the line 3 times as much, maybe.

53.1% > 48.6% (TS%)

Hill's 2016 season was also more efficient than Wheeler's 2017 btw, and she had no superstar then.
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PostPosted: 09/17/17 5:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Aladyyn wrote:


I mean if you ignore volume and the fact that one player gets to the line 3 times as much, maybe.

53.1% > 48.6% (TS%)

Hill's 2016 season was also more efficient than Wheeler's 2017 btw, and she had no superstar then.


Half of the players you listed are bench players.So why even introduce them into the conversation ?....My original point still stands...move Emma to the bench,and trade one or two assets for Hayes,Mcbride,or Johnson.
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PostPosted: 09/17/17 5:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
zune69 wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:


I mean if you ignore volume and the fact that one player gets to the line 3 times as much, maybe.

53.1% > 48.6% (TS%)

Hill's 2016 season was also more efficient than Wheeler's 2017 btw, and she had no superstar then.


Half of the players you listed are bench players.So why even introduce them into the conversation ?....My original point still stands...move Emma to the bench,and trade one or two assets for Hayes,Mcbride,or Johnson.


You're trying to fix a problem that quite literally does not exist...

And most of the players I listed are starters (I'll give you Bentley, but not the others)
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PostPosted: 09/17/17 5:22 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Aladyyn wrote:


You're trying to fix a problem that quite literally does not exist...



Forget making a trade.Just bring Emma off the bench:

G-Toliver
G-Hill
C-Thomas
F-EDD
F-TRP
6-Emma
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PostPosted: 09/18/17 3:21 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
zune69 wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:


You're trying to fix a problem that quite literally does not exist...



Forget making a trade.Just bring Emma off the bench:

G-Toliver
G-Hill
C-Thomas
F-EDD
F-TRP
6-Emma


I agree, i think its time to move Emma to the bench but still play her big minutes. K Thomas is most effective playing 20-25 max and tbh the Mystics cant play Thomas and TRP too long on the floor together because it puts too much pressure on the others to produce.

Hill needs to understand that EDD and Toliver are more efficient players then her and that she cant be taking the most shots every game though.



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PostPosted: 09/18/17 5:09 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Michelle89 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:


You're trying to fix a problem that quite literally does not exist...



Forget making a trade.Just bring Emma off the bench:

G-Toliver
G-Hill
C-Thomas
F-EDD
F-TRP
6-Emma


I agree, i think its time to move Emma to the bench but still play her big minutes. K Thomas is most effective playing 20-25 max and tbh the Mystics cant play Thomas and TRP too long on the floor together because it puts too much pressure on the others to produce.

Hill needs to understand that EDD and Toliver are more efficient players then her and that she cant be taking the most shots every game though.


Agreed.......Hill had the 10th highest usage rate in the league Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 09/18/17 5:55 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Hill should get more shots than Toliver because she's a more versatile and consistent scorer.
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PostPosted: 09/18/17 8:58 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Aladyyn wrote:
Hill should get more shots than Toliver because she's a more versatile and consistent scorer.


Consistent? Hill is a career 34% shooter vs. Toliver at 44%.



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PostPosted: 09/18/17 9:03 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
adamj95 wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:
Hill should get more shots than Toliver because she's a more versatile and consistent scorer.


Consistent? Hill is a career 34% shooter vs. Toliver at 44%.


Game-to-game consistency. When Toliver's outside shot isn't falling she tends to take herself out of the game. When Hill's shot isn't falling she stays aggressive, gets to the line, and makes plays for other players.

Hill will get you 10-20 points almost every game. Toliver sometimes gets you 15, sometimes 5, sometimes 30.
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PostPosted: 09/18/17 9:05 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Hill is a more versatile scorer, while Toliver relies on jump shoot/three pointer. Hill is also a longer/better defender. Defense is a problem for Mystics.



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PostPosted: 09/18/17 10:05 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Interesting how little comment on the actual game there is in this thread ...

Then again, resistance was futile ...



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