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I may have asked this before but,

NY fans who know the International game as draft options go what about

Vadeeva in NY, good idea or bad idea?

What I know is she a top International prospect, she is a center which isn't our strongest position, and she plays with Prince.



1) How does Katie Smith want to play? Vadeeva is arguably better offensively than any post NY has other than Charles. If you just want to add an offensive option (or button as Laimbeer used to call it), then Vadeeva can probably help. If NY is still emphasizing defense, then there are probably better choices.

2) Is Vadeeva ever coming over? If so, when? Given that management has done very little so far, the 1st Round pick may be our biggest chance at improvement. You don't want to waste that selection on someone who may never show up.

3) Who else is left on the board? We don't know if anyone is coming out early who could push the rest of the board down. And right now, there seems to be very little agreement on the order after Wilson. I think a team only takes Vadeeva if they don't think any American player can crack their rotation right now. In that case, they might as well take a foreign player and stash her overseas until ready.


Phoenix or Dallas would be good landing spots for a “stash” player. Especially Phoenix. I’m not about that sort of thing for the Libs right now. Unless you know she’s coming over.

Even then, is she a true WNBA C? Or one you want to match up to Griner, Fowles, etc.? It doesn’t strike me she’d fill one of the team’s most basic needs, even immediately.



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I don't see Vadeeva dropping to #10. I see her going to Washington or Indiana, so #8 the lowest.



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according to a recent tweet, looks like Shoni Schimmel will be back with the Liberty(at least for training camp).




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Hope Shoni does well. Who is 21?



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The Schimmel !! She did state a year off , everyone seemed to forget about her . How's she looking these days ? Any info on her toad ? She could help NY's guard situation drastically if shes in shape .



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Hope does well. Who is 21?


Reshanda Gray. She's posing with Brittney Boyd, who should be in camp with Lindsay Allen and Bria Hartley. That's a lot of PGs.


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Thanks. I thought that might be Gray. Hoping the "Dream contingent" can make the Liberty roster.



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So I kind of like everyone on our roster and want that all to make that team, that is a little problematic.

I would love to see Shoni come back and kick ass, but at whose expense?

Seeing Boyd in that picture make me regret that not so flattering things I've said about her, and I want her to come back and kick ass.

Gray, Ibekwe, Alleyne and even Faris I would love to see come into camp and kick ass.

And of course our returning borderline player Zahui B and the Allens I would love to see step up and kick ass.

If we end up getting someone I like at #10 and they come in and kick ass I am going to be so torn through the whole cutting process.

Good luck to everyone.


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J-Spoon - sounds like you are in mood to kick ass and take names.



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J-Spoon - sounds like you are in mood to kick ass and take names.


I just wonder how many ice baths will be needed from all the sore toes after all that kicking.


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Yeah my vocabulary kind of failed me there so I decided to enjoy the poetry of redundancy. It Kicks Ass!


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If Reshanda's in Liberty, New York, boy is she going to have a long way to go to get to White Plains. That's an hour and a half at best.



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A player who's constantly been out of shape playing her first meaningful basketball in two years? Yeah, that'll go well.



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PostPosted: 03/09/18 12:45 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

N.O. NO to Schimmel. i am not a lindsay Allen fan but i rather watch her play and continue to develop then watch a out of shape could care less player.


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Before Schimmel fell off she was really good.

Who knows what makes people lose interest in something they are passionate about?

She had some time off, if she comes back motivated she could be really good again. Even unmotivated Schimmel's shooting and handle could compete with anyone we have on our team. It was her lack of defense and conditioning that sank her in her last season in the W.

It will be hard for her to beat out the guards we currently have, but let's see what she brings to the table in camp. Maybe she's found her passion for the game again, gotten in shape, and will play her way onto the team. Her skill set is there giving her a chance could be like getting a free first round pick if she comes back strong. It is not like we brought in a ton of new talent the Liberty could use an unexpected jolt. Either way she'll make it or she won't but let's not write her off until we give her a chance. I love a good redemption story.


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This picture is from a couple of days ago. Not looking too different.



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if she can't play cut her ass in camp...if she's motivated and even a quarter of her potential she can at least be a buffer to ease boyd and Allen into gear...Allen being 2nd year and Boyd coming off a catastrophic injury...I wanted to give some vet PG a run in camp to help Boyd get back up to speed without too much pressure...that vet can be Shoni even if it's just preseason...yes she's not shown the dedication needed to succeed in the W...read my past posts...I have not been a Shoni apologist to say the least...but there is a need there with Boyd a ? Hartley more of a 2 (tho she proved she can hold down the 1 to prevent prince or sugar from going there and throwing a spanner in the works) and Allen 2nd year...having someone who knows the system and has expierence could prove valuable even 3rd string..would I prefer more of a veteran at that role...yes...but shoni is an acceptable answer...doubt we go north with her...but she could help in camp...and who knows...if the Ville Shoni or even 2nd year shoni ever shows up again it's a heist...tho I think those days are long gone...what a waste.

Also the New ASG ballot rules permit this...as well as faris (and you KNOW how extreme I've been at faris at times)...if they ever went back to more pure fan voting it would be cut at once...don't need that kind of distraction.

Do I think we go north with either...no...but both fill needs and deserve a shot...but if they get a shot they dont deserve and get outperformed by someone who DOES get cut...you'll hear it first from me



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Considering she hasn't played basketball in over a year, I'd say Schimmel stands about a 1% chance of making the team.



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Yeah not looking to good for her.



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Remember though that we are basing all of this on a response to an instagram post. "See you soon" could have meant in a social capacity. If we are misreading it, it's rather unfair to start trashing her again.


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Remember though that we are basing all of this on a response to an instagram post. "See you soon" could have meant in a social capacity. If we are misreading it, it's rather unfair to start trashing her again.


I think it's unfair to trash Schimmel no matter what. And I thought it was unfair to trash her last season.



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PostPosted: 03/10/18 11:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Bob Lamm wrote:
Nerd2 wrote:
Remember though that we are basing all of this on a response to an instagram post. "See you soon" could have meant in a social capacity. If we are misreading it, it's rather unfair to start trashing her again.


I think it's unfair to trash Schimmel no matter what. And I thought it was unfair to trash her last season.


I can understand if she reports to the team not ready to play. Then, she is fair game for critique about whether she deserves to be on the team or not. Perhaps in this case it's our response to her more over-the-top fans who seemed to make excuses for her. But at this moment, she is not listed on the roster.


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PostPosted: 03/11/18 2:50 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Schimmel is such an exciting player on offense, I hope she can make a comeback. If nothing else, she should give the WNBL a go.


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MSG may lose tax break for bouncing New York Liberty to Westchester, Manhattan Borough president warns

https://www.nydailynews.com/amp/new-york/msg-lose-tax-cut-giving-n-y-liberty-boot-pol-warns-article-1.3874880

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The team is owned by MSG, and has played there for years. But as the company seeks to sell the Liberty, it announced this season’s home games will be at the tiny Westchester County Center.

“In doing so, you have turned ‘the World’s Most Famous Arena’ into the world’s most famous stage for unfairly benching women athletes,” Gale Brewer wrote to MSG honcho James Dolan.

And, she warned, the company could be endangering its tax abatement, which saves the company $50 million a year and will be up for renewal in a few years.


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Even if the team were to move — it played at the Prudential Center in Newark when MSG was under renovations — the Westchester County Center is an “inadequate, inappropriate choice,” she said — it’s “not a full-featured sports arena.”


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“Since announcing our intention to sell the team, we have been committed to finding the right new owner to steward the franchise into the future,” a company spokesman said.

“We believe the Westchester County Center is the right sized venue to create an exciting environment for the Liberty and its fans, and the financial structure to support the team’s long-term success.”



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You tell him, Gale! Very Happy



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You tell him, Gale! Very Happy


YES. It would be wonderful to see public officials stick it to Hideous Lord Jimmy.



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Really hoping he gets his ass handed to him!!



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Why did the New York City politicians give a $50 million annual tax break to MSG in the first place?


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Really hoping he gets his ass handed to him!!


Do NY fans think this will persuade him to change his mind?



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In July 2013, the City Council extended MSG's permit by 10 years. After that, they want to knock down MSG and Penn Station to build an expanded train station. Maybe Dolan can build the new MSG in White Plains. Smile



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In July 2013, the City Council extended MSG's permit by 10 years. After that, they want to knock down MSG and Penn Station to build an expanded train station. Maybe Dolan can build the new MSG in White Plains. Smile


Holy cow. I had no idea. Have they made any efforts to identify a new location and start permitting/building or are they banking on making it so successful that the city changes its mind? Also, I thought Grand Central Station was the big station. Are they intending to have 2? I know Penn Station is there but don't know whether those trains also pass through Grand Central.


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In July 2013, the City Council extended MSG's permit by 10 years. After that, they want to knock down MSG and Penn Station to build an expanded train station. Maybe Dolan can build the new MSG in White Plains. Smile


Holy cow. I had no idea. Have they made any efforts to identify a new location and start permitting/building or are they banking on making it so successful that the city changes its mind? Also, I thought Grand Central Station was the big station. Are they intending to have 2? I know Penn Station is there but don't know whether those trains also pass through Grand Central.


Grand Central is on the Eastside, while Penn Station is on the West. They handle different train lines -- both commuter and subways. Grand Central is the original landmark building. The historic Penn Station was demolished to build the current drab complex in the early 1960's. It's considered maybe the most shameful architectural loss in the history of New York. Along with more space, the other great motivation for building a new Penn Station is to erect something more aesthetically worthy as a gateway to the City.

My guess is that it's a game of chicken between Dolan and the City Council. Eventually, MSG will probably have to move: this is already the third building, all on different sites. But nothing will happen five years from now. Planning and construction move slowly in New York. More likely 2053 than 2023. Still, it's nice to see Dolan sweat a bit.



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In July 2013, the City Council extended MSG's permit by 10 years. After that, they want to knock down MSG and Penn Station to build an expanded train station. Maybe Dolan can build the new MSG in White Plains. Smile


Holy cow. I had no idea. Have they made any efforts to identify a new location and start permitting/building or are they banking on making it so successful that the city changes its mind? Also, I thought Grand Central Station was the big station. Are they intending to have 2? I know Penn Station is there but don't know whether those trains also pass through Grand Central.



Grand Central is a land mark and a big station (metro north/subway) and i know they were talking about connecting the LIRR(which goes to penn) to grand central.Penn is also big because Amtrak, NJ Transit, LIRR and the Subway all connect there. They were talking about making the Post Office across the street part of the transit hub. I believe for Amtrak. Not sure if that is even talked about now. i know there was also talk of moving MSG. Which will cost a lot of money.


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In July 2013, the City Council extended MSG's permit by 10 years. After that, they want to knock down MSG and Penn Station to build an expanded train station. Maybe Dolan can build the new MSG in White Plains. Smile


LOL.



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In July 2013, the City Council extended MSG's permit by 10 years. After that, they want to knock down MSG and Penn Station to build an expanded train station. Maybe Dolan can build the new MSG in White Plains. Smile


Holy cow. I had no idea. Have they made any efforts to identify a new location and start permitting/building or are they banking on making it so successful that the city changes its mind? Also, I thought Grand Central Station was the big station. Are they intending to have 2? I know Penn Station is there but don't know whether those trains also pass through Grand Central.



Grand Central is a land mark and a big station (metro north/subway) and i know they were talking about connecting the LIRR(which goes to penn) to grand central.Penn is also big because Amtrak, NJ Transit, LIRR and the Subway all connect there. They were talking about making the Post Office across the street part of the transit hub. I believe for Amtrak. Not sure if that is even talked about now. i know there was also talk of moving MSG. Which will cost a lot of money.


There is definitely a plan to connect the Long Island Railroad to Grand Central Station. I don't know how far along it is. Obviously a huge project that will take lots of time and money.

Grand Central Station and Penn Station each handle a huge capacity of riders. I don't know how the numbers compare. Grand Central handles three Metro North lines: the Hudson line, the Harlem line, and the New Haven line. It also is a stop for various subway lines. As is mentioned above, Penn Station handles Amtrak, New Jersey Transit, and the Long Island Railroad, as well as various subway lines. By any reasonable measure, they are both "big stations."



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In July 2013, the City Council extended MSG's permit by 10 years. After that, they want to knock down MSG and Penn Station to build an expanded train station. Maybe Dolan can build the new MSG in White Plains. Smile


Holy cow. I had no idea. Have they made any efforts to identify a new location and start permitting/building or are they banking on making it so successful that the city changes its mind? Also, I thought Grand Central Station was the big station. Are they intending to have 2? I know Penn Station is there but don't know whether those trains also pass through Grand Central.




Grand Central is a land mark and a big station (metro north/subway) and i know they were talking about connecting the LIRR(which goes to penn) to grand central.Penn is also big because Amtrak, NJ Transit, LIRR and the Subway all connect there. They were talking about making the Post Office across the street part of the transit hub. I believe for Amtrak. Not sure if that is even talked about now. i know there was also talk of moving MSG. Which will cost a lot of money.


There is definitely a plan to connect the Long Island Railroad to Grand Central Station. I don't know how far along it is. Obviously a huge project that will take lots of time and money.

Grand Central Station and Penn Station each handle a huge capacity of riders. I don't know how the numbers compare. Grand Central handles three Metro North lines: the Hudson line, the Harlem line, and the New Haven line. It also is a stop for various subway lines. As is mentioned above, Penn Station handles Amtrak, New Jersey Transit, and the Long Island Railroad, as well as various subway lines. By any reasonable measure, they are both "big stations."




You are not kidding. Part of me is happy i work in westchester and not the city. I couldn't deal with that every day.


i wonder when we will hear the rest of the coaching staff?


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Any liberty fans think coach smith did a little sneak scouting on Shaq Thomas Tonight? I dont see her fitting with the liberty at all , but what do you fans think? Toaaaad? Wink



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I did some more research on MSG. Actually, I went to wikipedia and read the entry, then pulled up the bookmark articles. It would seem that they came up with an alternate proposal in 2016 that would leave all but the Theater at MSG. If the page is up to date, it sounds like there is no current plan to force it to move.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Square_Garden
https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/6th-proposal-governor-cuomos-2016-agenda-transform-penn-station-and-farley-post-office-building


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Any liberty fans think coach smith did a little sneak scouting on Shaq Thomas Tonight? I dont see her fitting with the liberty at all , but what do you fans think? Toaaaad? Wink


No, I think she closed her eyes every time Thomas had the ball.


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Any liberty fans think coach smith did a little sneak scouting on Shaq Thomas Tonight? I dont see her fitting with the liberty at all , but what do you fans think? Toaaaad? Wink


No, I think she closed her eyes every time Thomas had the ball.


25 pts 5 Rebs On 10-15 Shooting? Eyes closed... Confused Seems like a predetermined answer .



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Did you actually watch Thomas? She has major, and I mean major, shortcomings in her game, including an ugly, ugly shot...so the only way you think she can help you is if you think she will be able to get to the rim unimpeded in the W. I don't think so.



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A positive about S. Thomas is she is a really big 5' 11", I think between her wingspan, solid build and athleticism I think she could probably play some PF at the next level at not be at that much of a size disadvantage. If paired with a PF with range you could kind of mix and match defense and offense. S. Thomas should be able to bully her way in the post against wings and smaller PF, and probably guard smaller PF or larger wings on the defensive end.

I don't think she is a good fit with NY, though I would take her pretty quickly with our second round pick, and wouldn't be too surprised to see her work her way into the 12th spot in a role similar to Nayo, though with our current roster we need someone witn more range and finesse. I liked her in Atl in my mock but I feel like she would fit in Washington with EDD and their shooters, or maybe Indy next to Dupree, S. Johnson and I assume Mitchell.


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I wouldn't put too much stock in Thomas' performance from last night. Buffalo only has one player taller than 6-1, and they don't have anyone who is a pro-caliber athlete. They won based on skill and better team play. Hemphill has decent athletic ability, but she's skinny and I don't see much muscle definition. Dillard may have the skill and swagger to play at the next level, but she needs to get in much better shape. Consequently, Thomas was able to run amok against inferior athletes who are nowhere near what she'll face in the WNBA. I'm sure Katie Smith realizes that.



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Nerd2 wrote:
I did some more research on MSG. Actually, I went to wikipedia and read the entry, then pulled up the bookmark articles. It would seem that they came up with an alternate proposal in 2016 that would leave all but the Theater at MSG. If the page is up to date, it sounds like there is no current plan to force it to move.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Square_Garden
https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/6th-proposal-governor-cuomos-2016-agenda-transform-penn-station-and-farley-post-office-building


Based on these two articles, the plan is underway:

https://ny.curbed.com/2017/6/16/15821866/penn-station-governor-cuomo-redevelopment

https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2018/01/why-a-new-train-hall-wont-fix-penn-station/549563/

However, it should be noted that this plan to expand Penn Station is a NY State initiative. MSG's operating permit is a matter of local government. What's striking about that vote from just five years ago is that it was an overwhelming 47-1. That's a lot of City Council members from districts with a variety of constituents who all voted the same way. We will see if this was simply motivated by a common desire to fix Penn Station. Otherwise, if the vote is a manifestation of underlying animosity toward Dolan and MSG, then this issue isn't over.



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root_thing wrote:
I wouldn't put too much stock in Thomas' performance from last night. Buffalo only has one player taller than 6-1, and they don't have anyone who is a pro-caliber athlete. They won based on skill and better team play. Hemphill has decent athletic ability, but she's skinny and I don't see much muscle definition. Dillard may have the skill and swagger to play at the next level, but she needs to get in much better shape. Consequently, Thomas was able to run amok against inferior athletes who are nowhere near what she'll face in the WNBA. I'm sure Katie Smith realizes that.


Agreed , pretty stern observation from liberty fans . How do you guys feel about Gabby ? Just wondering , me personally i believe all critics given to thomas also apply to Gabby but others see it differently . Would you Liberty fans take Gabby ?



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root_thing wrote:
I wouldn't put too much stock in Thomas' performance from last night. Buffalo only has one player taller than 6-1, and they don't have anyone who is a pro-caliber athlete. They won based on skill and better team play. Hemphill has decent athletic ability, but she's skinny and I don't see much muscle definition. Dillard may have the skill and swagger to play at the next level, but she needs to get in much better shape. Consequently, Thomas was able to run amok against inferior athletes who are nowhere near what she'll face in the WNBA. I'm sure Katie Smith realizes that.


Agreed , pretty stern observation from liberty fans . How do you guys feel about Gabby? Just wondering, me personally i believe all critics given to thomas also apply to Gabby but others see it differently . Would you Liberty fans take Gabby?


Gabby has guard skills. You’re punishing Gabby for how Geno uses her instead of having the vision to see what she could be.



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WNBA 09 wrote:
root_thing wrote:
I wouldn't put too much stock in Thomas' performance from last night. Buffalo only has one player taller than 6-1, and they don't have anyone who is a pro-caliber athlete. They won based on skill and better team play. Hemphill has decent athletic ability, but she's skinny and I don't see much muscle definition. Dillard may have the skill and swagger to play at the next level, but she needs to get in much better shape. Consequently, Thomas was able to run amok against inferior athletes who are nowhere near what she'll face in the WNBA. I'm sure Katie Smith realizes that.


Agreed , pretty stern observation from liberty fans . How do you guys feel about Gabby? Just wondering, me personally i believe all critics given to thomas also apply to Gabby but others see it differently . Would you Liberty fans take Gabby?


Gabby has guard skills. You’re punishing Gabby for how Geno uses her instead of having the vision to see what she could be.


Thomas has guard skills , You're Punishing Shakayla for how Sue uses her instead of having the vision to see what she could be . Laughing



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root_thing wrote:
I wouldn't put too much stock in Thomas' performance from last night. Buffalo only has one player taller than 6-1, and they don't have anyone who is a pro-caliber athlete. They won based on skill and better team play. Hemphill has decent athletic ability, but she's skinny and I don't see much muscle definition. Dillard may have the skill and swagger to play at the next level, but she needs to get in much better shape. Consequently, Thomas was able to run amok against inferior athletes who are nowhere near what she'll face in the WNBA. I'm sure Katie Smith realizes that.


Agreed , pretty stern observation from liberty fans . How do you guys feel about Gabby ? Just wondering , me personally i believe all critics given to thomas also apply to Gabby but others see it differently . Would you Liberty fans take Gabby ?


I think Gabby plays a smarter team-oriented game. The fact that she is a superior passer to Thomas makes a big difference. She won't get stuck with the ball if she doesn't have a shot, and she's able to make her teammates better. I also think Williams has more proven ability to defend on the perimeter. Both are non-traditional players, but I think Williams would find a way to fit into most systems. For Thomas, finding the right situation is more crucial. Since NY could use more players with shooting ability, neither Gabby nor Shakayla would be ideal. However, I'm confident that Williams could find a way to make herself useful. I'm not so sanguine about Thomas. Like I've posted before, she reminds me of Shayla Cooper. Thomas probably plays harder, but Cooper was three inches taller and had a little bit of 3-pt shooting ability. That said, I freely admit that I haven't seen Thomas that much this year -- maybe three full games and a bunch of brief looks.

In terms of the draft overall, at this point, I'm fine with any player who can find minutes in the rotation. At #10, you can't expect too much. Bench help to fill a specific need is good enough for me. In practical terms, that means anyone other than a player who can only play SG. NY already has a logjam of 2-guards. I doubt any rookie who comes in will get minutes ahead of Prince and Rodgers, and then you also have Zealous and Hartley who can shift over to SG.



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PostPosted: 03/20/18 2:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Yeah I like Williams a lot more than Thomas for the Liberty even with her lack of an outside shot. I don't think Gabby would be ideal for NY but I would take her and figure it out later. I think Gabby can be to the SF position what D-Rob was to the PG position less traditional because of her lack of a shot but still very successful because of her other skills and defense.


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