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PostPosted: 02/07/18 8:53 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Maybe they had a deal done on Thursday, but then the stock market crashed. Wink


Or the buyer was Josh McDaniels.

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PostPosted: 02/07/18 7:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Megdal's take. If Tina demands a trade now, are the Liberty instantly in the lottery?

https://summitthoops.com/2018/02/06/report-new-york-liberty-relocating-westchester/

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It will also bear watching whether free agent Tina Charles, though cored by the Liberty, decides she wants to stay. She’s been noticeably absent from the parade of signings since free agency began on February 1, and a league source told The Summitt she was waiting for ownership situation to resolve itself before deciding to commit.



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Most of the cored players haven't signed. Six of seven remain unsigned.



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PostPosted: 02/07/18 7:37 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Most of the cored players haven't signed. Six of seven remain unsigned.

Shh! How dare you introduce facts into a contrived Megdal 'story'.



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pilight wrote:
Most of the cored players haven't signed. Six of seven remain unsigned.

Shh! How dare you introduce facts into a contrived Megdal 'story'.


I really wish these discussions weren't as filled with rumors from anonymous sources plus statements from named sources known to be untrustworthy. What's next? A teenager in the playground whom I've never seen before said that the second cousin of some kid he knows said he had heard that it was somewhere in the National Enquirer that the Liberty were moving to Montana in 2019.



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PostPosted: 02/07/18 11:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Also another fact is NY hasn't signed anyone yet. So my guess is all reserved, restricted and cored players will be back with the team.


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Richyyy wrote:
pilight wrote:
Most of the cored players haven't signed. Six of seven remain unsigned.

Shh! How dare you introduce facts into a contrived Megdal 'story'.


I really wish these discussions weren't as filled with rumors from anonymous sources plus statements from named sources known to be untrustworthy. What's next? A teenager in the playground whom I've never seen before said that the second cousin of some kid he knows said he had heard that it was somewhere in the National Enquirer that the Liberty were moving to Montana in 2019.


Actually, I think that's how Barcoff got "Golden State in 2019."

Everything Megdal writes needs to be looked at carefully. He throws these vague "what if" scenarios out there that get people asking. It basically creates a story. The only fact is that NY is the only team without a signing. But without any context or investigation, it's like trolling a line out there hoping to get a bite. Just swim away.


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Everything Megdal writes needs to be looked at carefully. He throws these vague "what if" scenarios out there that get people asking. It basically creates a story. The only fact is that NY is the only team without a signing. But without any context or investigation, it's like trolling a line out there hoping to get a bite. Just swim away.


Yes. "Just swim away" (from any discussion of rumors from anonymous or dubious sources) is what I wish people would do far more often.



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Well Liberty fans I can now officially say you got screwed.

Two games at MSG, both 11 am tipoffs.

6/5 vs Phoenix,
8/6 vs Seattle.

Rest of the games at the Westchester County Center


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PostPosted: 02/08/18 2:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So, I guess that was the reason for the additional delay. Dolan wanted to take back four more dates. Let me add my belated:


FUCK YOU, DOLAN!



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PostPosted: 02/08/18 2:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Well Liberty fans I can now officially say you got screwed.

Two games at MSG, both 11 am tipoffs.

6/5 vs Phoenix,
8/6 vs Seattle.

Rest of the games at the Westchester County Center


They haven't been shy about saying they got screwed already.



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PostPosted: 02/08/18 2:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Well Liberty fans I can now officially say you got screwed.

Two games at MSG, both 11 am tipoffs.

6/5 vs Phoenix,
8/6 vs Seattle.

Rest of the games at the Westchester County Center


Why would anyone have expected anything else? It's the same arrangement the Mystics are doing with their G-League facility.



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If he didn't get the money he wanted, I thought he might try to show some games at MSG to maintain some value. This sure isn't going to help IMO.


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The value isn’t in the venue. The value is in the players and their contracts. He can probably sell the team to Lacob next season, so savor this season.



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Oh, and it should go without saying but copying a business plan from the Mystics is never a good idea.



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PostPosted: 02/08/18 2:56 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Is there a better option on the venue?


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Oh, and it should go without saying but copying a business plan from the Mystics is never a good idea.

I LOL'd, doesn't get more true than this



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One of the MSG games is on a Monday. The last time the Lib hosted a game on a Monday was 24 July 2006 against Connecticut.



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PostPosted: 02/08/18 3:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Wow. Only 2 games at MSG?!?! And both are camp days.


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This is directed towards Liberty fans and other people who regularly attend their games. Do you see yourself and more importantly casual fans and tourists still attending with regularity in this new location? If not relocation may be the best bet, given the costs associated with running a business in the greater NYC area. It seems like it is a big pr disaster though, being booted from the Garden. Personally I think the Knicks should be booted too. Last bit of glory I can remember from that once proud franchise was in 2000.


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I don't see tourists making the trek to Westchester. I think convenience, location, and MSG being an iconic arena were the big factors in them wanting to attend an event there - not the team. As a STH since 1999, I'm disappointed that I'll only be able to see maybe 7 or 8 home games this season.


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The value isn’t in the venue. The value is in the players and their contracts. He can probably sell the team to Lacob next season, so savor this season.


And your business background is what again?


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This is directed towards Liberty fans and other people who regularly attend their games. Do you see yourself and more importantly casual fans and tourists still attending with regularity in this new location? If not relocation may be the best bet, given the costs associated with running a business in the greater NYC area. It seems like it is a big pr disaster though, being booted from the Garden. Personally I think the Knicks should be booted too. Last bit of glory I can remember from that once proud franchise was in 2000.


I've been a season subscriber for 16 seasons and going to games since the home opener in 1997. I'm about to tell my rep to drop me to a weekend plan at best. This is absolute unmitigated horseshit.

No one's going to plan a trip to White Plains to take in the Westchester County Center. No tourists. No casual fans. Hardly any of the dedicated fans. This is fucking horseshit.

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PostPosted: 02/08/18 4:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

MSG communication at its finest: just got off the phone with the rep. He can't officially say anything about Westchester until tomorrow. Even though the schedule's already out.

Oh my God fuck Jim Dolan why do I love this team?



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This is directed towards Liberty fans and other people who regularly attend their games. Do you see yourself and more importantly casual fans and tourists still attending with regularity in this new location? If not relocation may be the best bet, given the costs associated with running a business in the greater NYC area. It seems like it is a big pr disaster though, being booted from the Garden. Personally I think the Knicks should be booted too. Last bit of glory I can remember from that once proud franchise was in 2000.

One of the few WNBA situations where I actually have personal experience. I'm a sports fan, I was in New York on holiday, but it was the summer (as with many holidays that people take). So the NBA was out of season. But we looked at the MSG schedule, saw that there was a WNBA game on there while we were in town, and went to that instead (this was long before I was as invested in the WNBA as I am now). We even paid significantly more than we typically would've done for tickets, because it was 'once in a blue moon' kind of thing.

You do that for a Madison Square Garden event; you sure as hell don't for the Westchester County Center. I guess they'll hope to draw some people from the local area who wouldn't have made the trip into Manhattan in the past (not that that worked in Jersey), but the tourist sales are dead.



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I never thought I would say this, but serious thinking of not being a STH !
That is sad after going to NJ for 3 years



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I don't know how many tourists bought Liberty tickets, or even how many New York metro folks bought tickets (all they give us is "announced attendance"), but it appears it wasn't enough to justify the use of the building - given competing uses like concerts. Would think the Liberty are well aware that they aren't going to get as many people at the Westchester County Center as at MSG.


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We have to hope MSG sells the team soon and that the new owner quickly announces this is a short-term transitional arrangement. Even going back to Prudential Center is better than this. At least that signals the team is being run as a major league operation. Yes, you'll lose a large contingent of fans no matter where you move, so maybe 5,000 seats are enough in the short run. But fans need to see that new ownership is optimistic. You have to have a vision of the future and how you're going to replace those lost fans someday. I know Newark didn't work the first time, but maybe if you make a commitment to the venue, then the locals will embrace the Liberty as their team. At least there's an air of hope if you play in a facility that allows your fanbase to grow. Moving to Westchester County Center reeks of capitulation. While the official attendance figure of just under 10,000 was inflated, my guess is that actual numbers were around 8,000. Making a 5,000 seat minor league arena your home signals that management is content to lop off a big chunk of their fanbase with no intention of ever getting them back. If you don't care about the team's future, why should we? More than one year in Westchester probably means an accelerated demise.



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Just been looking around the area on Google street view and it barely even qualifies to be called the suburbs out there. Not sure I've ever seen a higher concentration of golf courses and country clubs in one area before (not that I've ever been remotely interested in looking for that) ... but my point being there looks like very little local population to be the supporter base up there. Pretty grim.



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Unless MSG arranges some kind of shuttle for Penn Station, I doubt they get 4k at Westchester. The good news is I can probably make the two camp games at MSG. Might be my only two games I'll attend this season.



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Unless MSG arranges some kind of shuttle for Penn Station, I doubt they get 4k at Westchester. The good news is I can probably make the two camp games at MSG. Might be my only two games I'll attend this season.


Dont hold your breath...Im sure MSG will do nothing about a shuttle.
To have only the 2 camp and school games at MSG is slap in the face
to all Liberty Fans
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Unless MSG arranges some kind of shuttle for Penn Station, I doubt they get 4k at Westchester. The good news is I can probably make the two camp games at MSG. Might be my only two games I'll attend this season.


Dont hold your breath...Im sure MSG will do nothing about a shuttle.
To have only the 2 camp and school games at MSG is slap in the face
to all Liberty Fans
There should have been more games at MSG

Seems strange not to have scheduled more there even from a pure business point of view. There is obviously plenty of Liberty support in NYC, and a lot of hassle getting out to the new Vermont stadium, so surely that would create extra demand for the MSG games had there been say 6 of them distributed through the season (and at proper times - not weekday afternoons)



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We have to hope MSG sells the team soon and that the new owner quickly announces this is a short-term transitional arrangement. Even going back to Prudential Center is better than this. At least that signals the team is being run as a major league operation. Yes, you'll lose a large contingent of fans no matter where you move, so maybe 5,000 seats are enough in the short run. But fans need to see that new ownership is optimistic. You have to have a vision of the future and how you're going to replace those lost fans someday. I know Newark didn't work the first time, but maybe if you make a commitment to the venue, then the locals will embrace the Liberty as their team. At least there's an air of hope if you play in a facility that allows your fanbase to grow. Moving to Westchester County Center reeks of capitulation. While the official attendance figure of just under 10,000 was inflated, my guess is that actual numbers were around 8,000. Making a 5,000 seat minor league arena your home signals that management is content to lop off a big chunk of their fanbase with no intention of ever getting them back. If you don't care about the team's future, why should we? More than one year in Westchester probably means an accelerated demise.


Exactly. This was exactly my point earlier in this thread. I also don't see WCC as a viable permanent solution.



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We have to hope MSG sells the team soon and that the new owner quickly announces this is a short-term transitional arrangement. Even going back to Prudential Center is better than this. At least that signals the team is being run as a major league operation. Yes, you'll lose a large contingent of fans no matter where you move, so maybe 5,000 seats are enough in the short run. But fans need to see that new ownership is optimistic. You have to have a vision of the future and how you're going to replace those lost fans someday. I know Newark didn't work the first time, but maybe if you make a commitment to the venue, then the locals will embrace the Liberty as their team. At least there's an air of hope if you play in a facility that allows your fanbase to grow. Moving to Westchester County Center reeks of capitulation. While the official attendance figure of just under 10,000 was inflated, my guess is that actual numbers were around 8,000. Making a 5,000 seat minor league arena your home signals that management is content to lop off a big chunk of their fanbase with no intention of ever getting them back. If you don't care about the team's future, why should we? More than one year in Westchester probably means an accelerated demise.


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I'm skeptical of anything Megdal posts, so while I'd take the Charles outlook with a grain of salt, you have to admit it makes sense that she'd be considering whether to play this season or not. MSG and playing in front of her dad were big selling points for her. Losing the MSG portion could conceivably be a big deal to her.

It's not like she needs the money. She donates a large portion of her WNBA salary anyway.



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Regarding this season, I have to decide what I want to do. I love the games literally more than anything else in life. Anything. That's not an exaggeration. I have a timer set on my cell phone how many days, hours and minutes till the season starts once April rolls around. No other sport to me matches the teamwork and execution needed to win as much as women's basketball does when it's played at its best.

However, there's a lot of weeknight games. The trip isn't brutal for me from the Bronx but it isn't right down the block either. I don't foresee being a season-ticket holder. And if Tina doesn't play I'm probably going to call it a day and root for Vegas since the team will be officially on life support anyway.

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Luuuc wrote:
Just been looking around the area on Google street view and it barely even qualifies to be called the suburbs out there. Not sure I've ever seen a higher concentration of golf courses and country clubs in one area before (not that I've ever been remotely interested in looking for that) ... but my point being there looks like very little local population to be the supporter base up there. Pretty grim.


lol yup its like located in a middle of nowhere to me, they got few spots to chill at and hang to eat but its NOT the city where there's so much to do and more people around.

honestly, im not complaining cuz its about 20-25 min drive from my crib, but overall this sucks i feel for all the liberty fans in the city.

i really hope the Liberty can make a run in the playoffs this year and win a championship, it will make the Libs more attractive to a buyer to support the team 100% and cares


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I think 5.000 will be plenty for who they will be able to get out there. NYC fans aren't going to go on the regular so hoping there are a lot of bored families in the area looking for cheap family entertainment. Would definitely be pushing group sales to summer camps, retirement communities, Church groups, Girl and Boy Scouts, really anyone. People who take the Subway to the game and go because it is affordable are going to be priced out if they have to pay an addition $20-$34 dollars in travel fees.

I'm hoping this is a one a done deal and some deep pocket owners with some Entertainment or sports industry cache comes along because, I don'r see the team being viable long term in WestChester county. But I think Westchester is because Dolan still owns them. So New Ownership will very likely mean new location. I'm just hoping the new location doesn't mean relocation to a different geographical area such as The Bay area.


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Drop your wife & kids at the game, go play golf with your middle management bros, then pick the family up again on the way back home.
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I think 5.000 will be plenty for who they will be able to get out there.


You are probably dead on. Here is an article about the g-league team. Game crowds seem to be in the range of 1,000 to 3300 (record according to a tweet the team posted.) Liberty may draw more, or less.

https://www.splicetoday.com/sports/nothin-but-a-g-league



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Opting for a floor seat, I found myself ushered by a Wanda Sykes lookalike into a psych ward of some kind. Everyone around me had a head injury or a deformity and looked like they’d been prescribed to attend basketball as part of their recoveries. Further glances revealed endless fan grotesqueries I hadn’t see since witnessing a donkey basketball game back in central Ohio in the late 1970s.


Sorry Liberty fans. Your FUHLJ seems like a mild response.



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Sorry y'all. This just feels like a suck for you Lib fans. Crying or Very sad



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One other thing that's come up in conversations.

Mom got me into sports. She bought our Liberty season tickets until such time as I moved over to sit with Happycappie. (And, y'know. Moved in with him and married him, but we're talking about important things here.) Mom loves her some basketball.

But we were talking about this whole debacle earlier tonight, and one of the things she said was that she doesn't want to give money to this bastard. And I wonder how many other fans feel the same way. How many are saying "FUCK JIM DOLAN" with their wallets? I know I'm cutting non-WBB events at MSG and on MSG out of my life.



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WHO?!?!

Liberty announces executive promotions to strengthen front office - Keia Clarke named Liberty COO and Dan Padover VP of Basketball Operations.

(from Facebook)


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So this is a disaster, both for Liberty fans and the prospects of economic success for the team in the greater NYC area?


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So this is a disaster, both for Liberty fans and the prospects of economic success for the team in the greater NYC area?


The arena is pretty much the worst case scenario from a fan's point of view: out-of-the-way, expensive travel, nothing else to do in the area.

As for economic success, that's harder to gage. A growing number of teams are moving to small arenas. Perhaps they figured out a business model that doesn't need live fans. Between TV rights, sponsorships, and commercials, maybe you can generate enough revenue to survive if the costs are kept to a minimum. In other words, the WNBA can function as a TV show or streaming content. I mean this in all seriousness. There are so many media outlets now that need content. It's just a matter of matching the cost level to the revenue streams. Think of cheap arenas as studios or sound stages. The players are actors. The coaches are directors. You don't even need to pay scriptwriters. The few fans in the stands are like the laugh track, music score or sound effects.



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root_thing wrote:
josephkramer44 wrote:
So this is a disaster, both for Liberty fans and the prospects of economic success for the team in the greater NYC area?


The arena is pretty much the worst case scenario from a fan's point of view: out-of-the-way, expensive travel, nothing else to do in the area.

As for economic success, that's harder to gage. A growing number of teams are moving to small arenas. Perhaps they figured out a business model that doesn't need live fans. Between TV rights, sponsorships, and commercials, maybe you can generate enough revenue to survive if the costs are kept to a minimum. In other words, the WNBA can function as a TV show or streaming content. I mean this in all seriousness. There are so many media outlets now that need content. It's just a matter of matching the cost level to the revenue streams. Think of cheap arenas as studios or sound stages. The players are actors. The coaches are directors. You don't even need to pay scriptwriters. The few fans in the stands are like the laugh track, music score or sound effects.


I worked in a one off event on NBC that was like this...it works...it's profitable...basically the arena keeps the tickets and you just give seats away...you just want a good tv product...title sponsor pays the overhead...other sponsors add up to your product...many smaller bowl games run like that...now running a league team with several games like this...we shall see

bottom line...ticket sales mean jack diddly poo to the overall bottom line...this is why best mathematical model...going 10-5k fans...is cutting it in half and they find this more "Profitable"...if they really were setting it up for a new owner they'd stay in MSG then get the team into transition midseason.

As for Keia Clarke...she is a great longtime marketer...2nd in command to bernert for most of her years here...she's deserved this title...worked her ass off...as for padover...no clue.

but don't knock Keia...ive sang her praises in a few promos...sad it had to come like this...darkest day...

here's some disturbing math for us:

plan seats being equal...itd be cheaper from queens to go 2.5 hours to MOHEGAN than it will be to go 2 hours to white plains...for only a half hour more commute

To white plains...1.5 hour subway ride to 22 per person 1 hour metro north ride to another metro swipe to bus or half hour walk to arena plus food
Vs
To mohegan...1 hour subway bus ride...$15 chinatown bus per person one time $5 tip free food voucher...



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To white plains...1.5 hour subway ride to 22 per person 1 hour metro north ride to another metro swipe to bus or half hour walk to arena plus food


Your note about the walk from the Metro North station to the Westchester County Center is very helpful for me. And bad news. I'd wondered about that and toad had very kindly posted directions for that walk. It sounded like much less than a half hour walk, but of course I couldn't be sure.

Even from where I live (Upper West Side), the thought of the subway ride to Grand Central or Harlem, getting on a Metro North train to White Plains, and then a 30-minute walk to the arena doesn't sound very appealing.



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Bob Lamm wrote:
Happycappie25 wrote:


To white plains...1.5 hour subway ride to 22 per person 1 hour metro north ride to another metro swipe to bus or half hour walk to arena plus food


Your note about the walk from the Metro North station to the Westchester County Center is very helpful for me. And bad news. I'd wondered about that and toad had very kindly posted directions for that walk. It sounded like much less than a half hour walk, but of course I couldn't be sure.


Google maps says it is an 11 minute walk by the fastest route:



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The Westchester County Center directions don't seem to jive exactly with the map, but they are talking about a shorter route than what Google shows (3 routes with times of 11, 12 and 14 minutes). Google doesn't appear to know about the tunnel under the tracks. "the path" in their directions must be the Bronx River Pathway on the map and you come out of the tunnel and cross Bronx Street before turning right on the path:

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Walking from train to County Center:
Once on the Station Platform, walk in the direction of the front car of your train.
Take the last exit stairwell (located on the left side of the platform).
Make a left at the bottom of the stairs.
Walk through a very short, well-lit tunnel.
Go right upon exiting the tunnel.
Walk on the path (Metro North to your right, parking lot to your left).
You will see the County Center ahead and to your left.
Walk to the main County Center Parking Lot.
Walk through the parking lot.
At the traffic light, cross the street to the County Center.







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When I had courtside season tickets to the Monarchs, I drove 105 miles each way from SF to SAC for 9 years. Idea



If all I had to do was get on a train instead of driving a Mercedes SUV that gets 8 miles per gallon through 3 rush hour traffic bottlenecks (SF, Oakland, Sac), I'd consider it a win. Sacramento wasn't Manhattan either, but we always found fun things to do there. I'm sure there are enjoyable places to spend time in Westchester also.. Idea



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