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PostPosted: 11/30/17 4:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
http://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/21619656/msg-discussing-sale-wnba-new-york-liberty-several-groups

Not sure if this has already been posted but some optimism for the liberty fans !!


Thanks for posting this.



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Bob Lamm wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
http://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/21619656/msg-discussing-sale-wnba-new-york-liberty-several-groups

Not sure if this has already been posted but some optimism for the liberty fans !!


Thanks for posting this.


No problem , i felt a rush of joy seeing this myself as i view all WNBA fans as a secret family in the public eye Very Happy Very Happy



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PostPosted: 11/30/17 5:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
http://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/21619656/msg-discussing-sale-wnba-new-york-liberty-several-groups

Not sure if this has already been posted but some optimism for the liberty fans !!


Thanks for posting this.


No problem , i felt a rush of joy seeing this myself as i view all WNBA fans as a secret family in the public eye Very Happy Very Happy


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WNBA 09 wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
http://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/21619656/msg-discussing-sale-wnba-new-york-liberty-several-groups

Not sure if this has already been posted but some optimism for the liberty fans !!


Thanks for posting this.


No problem , i felt a rush of joy seeing this myself as i view all WNBA fans as a secret family in the public eye Very Happy Very Happy


We need a secret handshake or secret password. Very Happy



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root_thing wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
http://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/21619656/msg-discussing-sale-wnba-new-york-liberty-several-groups

Not sure if this has already been posted but some optimism for the liberty fans !!


Thanks for posting this.


No problem , i felt a rush of joy seeing this myself as i view all WNBA fans as a secret family in the public eye Very Happy Very Happy


We need a secret handshake or secret password. Very Happy


Throw up the Dub lol #W



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PostPosted: 11/30/17 6:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Very happy to hear there's several groups interested in not only buying the team, but keeping the team in the New York area. Now it's just a matter of where exactly they'll be playing.



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PostPosted: 11/30/17 6:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Very happy to hear there's several groups interested in not only buying the team, but keeping the team in the New York area. Now it's just a matter of where exactly they'll be playing.


Im extra happy for you toad , glad you get to keep your team and in the same city ! And Yes i agree now all we gotta find out is whereeeeeee Crying or Very sad Idea Idea



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PostPosted: 12/01/17 10:45 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'd like to address a basketball issue. I hope we will soon have new owners who will hire an experienced, talented general manager to work with Katie Smith, Swin Cash, and Teresa Weatherspoon. I believe the amorphous no-GM situation we've seen was far less than ideal.

No criticism intended of Smith, Cash, or Weatherspoon. I have great respect for all of them. But we'll have a head coach in her first year ever in that position. I'd rather not see Smith working without a GM. Or with a GM in her first year ever in that position.



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PostPosted: 12/01/17 11:49 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Nice to see that direct approach and confidence coming from Lisa Borders. Liberty and women's basketball fans should feel good heading into this weekend, and into December.


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PostPosted: 12/03/17 3:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

A consequence of not knowing what will happen with our team is that I've...at least for now...lost interest in following WCBB or watching international games. Not that I watched a ton of WCBB before but at least I would watch occasionally. I watched some international games last year but now it's hard to have an interest in that either.



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Some more info would be nice.



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PostPosted: 12/13/17 1:33 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Agreed.

I am using college season as a reason and a way to emphatically not think about this.



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PostPosted: 12/13/17 2:27 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I've gone into pure faith and/or denial mode where I believe everything is going to work out. If we get to January and nothing has been made official or ay least leaked out I will start to rethink that strategy, but for now everything is fine, looking forward to next season with the Liberty in NY.


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PostPosted: 12/13/17 2:48 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Word around the craps tables of Vegas is that Lib fans have cause for optimism and should wait around a month from now before starting to worry about things.



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PostPosted: 12/13/17 8:17 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'm hoping there is some sort of breaking news on December 24th to give the Lib fans a nice present. Or at least on Dec 31 to usher in a Happy New Year.



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My guess: if we don't hear anything this week, we won't hear anything till January.



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PostPosted: 12/13/17 4:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Bob Lamm wrote:
My guess: if we don't hear anything this week, we won't hear anything till January.


Basically. Then we start to worry if we don't hear anything by mid-January.



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A new arena is going to be built in the New York City area in a parking lot at the Belmont Park horse racing track. Once built, the New York Islanders will move there from the Barclays Center in Brooklyn.

Mapquest shows it as being an 11.6 mile drive from Madison Square Garden. But with heavy traffic that will take you 57 minutes. The Long Island Railroad has a stop near the track but "Train service is provided on event days only."

Islanders win bid to build arena at Belmont Park


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A new arena is going to be built in the New York City area in a parking lot at the Belmont Park horse racing track. Once built, the New York Islanders will move there from the Barclays Center in Brooklyn.

Mapquest shows it as being an 11.6 mile drive from Madison Square Garden. But with heavy traffic that will take you 57 minutes. The Long Island Railroad has a stop near the track but "Train service is provided on event days only."

Islanders win bid to build arena at Belmont Park


IMO, this is needed for New York. No timeline was given for when this might be ready though. Islanders will play at Barclays in 2018-19. Maybe the Liberty move to Barclays for two season until this arena is built?



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PostPosted: 12/20/17 7:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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tfan wrote:
A new arena is going to be built in the New York City area in a parking lot at the Belmont Park horse racing track. Once built, the New York Islanders will move there from the Barclays Center in Brooklyn.

Mapquest shows it as being an 11.6 mile drive from Madison Square Garden. But with heavy traffic that will take you 57 minutes. The Long Island Railroad has a stop near the track but "Train service is provided on event days only."

Islanders win bid to build arena at Belmont Park


IMO, this is needed for New York. No timeline was given for when this might be ready though. Islanders will play at Barclays in 2018-19. Maybe the Liberty move to Barclays for two season until this arena is built?


Following the Islanders to Belmont was mentioned earlier. It's not easier to get there than Barclay Center, but it will probably be more affordable for the team. Good or bad, it doesn't solve your immediate problem.

Fans are focused on where the games will be played. However, the new owners also have to find practice facilities, housing for the players (preferably nearby), and new staff for sales and administration. The Liberty are fully integrated into the MSG "ecosystem", so all of that support has to be replaced. Also, with no MSG, who is broadcasting the games?



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PostPosted: 12/20/17 7:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I still wonder if Dolan will cut a deal with the new owner(s) to play a select amount of games at MSG in July & August. There will still be gaps in the calendar, even with added concerts.



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PostPosted: 12/20/17 10:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

root_thing wrote:
toad455 wrote:
tfan wrote:
A new arena is going to be built in the New York City area in a parking lot at the Belmont Park horse racing track. Once built, the New York Islanders will move there from the Barclays Center in Brooklyn.

Mapquest shows it as being an 11.6 mile drive from Madison Square Garden. But with heavy traffic that will take you 57 minutes. The Long Island Railroad has a stop near the track but "Train service is provided on event days only."

Islanders win bid to build arena at Belmont Park


IMO, this is needed for New York. No timeline was given for when this might be ready though. Islanders will play at Barclays in 2018-19. Maybe the Liberty move to Barclays for two season until this arena is built?


Following the Islanders to Belmont was mentioned earlier. It's not easier to get there than Barclay Center, but it will probably be more affordable for the team. Good or bad, it doesn't solve your immediate problem.

Fans are focused on where the games will be played. However, the new owners also have to find practice facilities, housing for the players (preferably nearby), and new staff for sales and administration. The Liberty are fully integrated into the MSG "ecosystem", so all of that support has to be replaced. Also, with no MSG, who is broadcasting the games?


All good questions, especially since it's December 20th and the opening of WNBA training camps and the 2018 season really isn't all that far away.



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I was looking at how long it took to sell the Sparks. There is an article that says that Paula Madison informed the WNBA that she couldn't afford to put any more money into the Sparks shortly before Christmas 2013. The sale to some of the Dodgers owners was announced on February 4th, 2014.

For the Liberty it was announced that they were for sale on November 14, 2017. So the Liberty sale period, currently at 35 days (if the public announcement is the first time any potential buyers knew of it) is still within the time frame of the Sparks sale which was at least 42 days, although exactly how long a period it was depends on which day before Christmas Madison contacted the WNBA.


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tfan wrote:
I was looking at how long it took to sell the Sparks. There is an article that says that Paula Madison informed the WNBA that she couldn't afford to put any more money into the Sparks shortly before Christmas 2013. The sale to some of the Dodgers owners was announced on February 4th, 2014.

For the Liberty it was announced that they were for sale on November 14, 2017. So the Liberty sale period, currently at 35 days (if the public announcement is the first time any potential buyers knew of it) is still within the time frame of the Sparks sale which was at least 42 days, although exactly how long a period it was depends on which day before Christmas Madison contacted the WNBA.


There's the additional complication here of a probable change in venue. The purchase would need to include a negotiation with any of the possible locations and that would probably be an additional cost. This will change the potential revenue stream and potential buyers need to consider this.


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I wonder how busy the Barclays Center is during the summer and if they'd cut the new owners a deal. I still wonder if they'll be playing at multiple arenas and if Dolan will allow them to play some games at MSG with a deal for the new owners. Maybe 6 games at MSG, 7 at Barclays and 4 at Prudential Center in Newark?



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toad455 wrote:
I wonder how busy the Barclays Center is during the summer and if they'd cut the new owners a deal. I still wonder if they'll be playing at multiple arenas and if Dolan will allow them to play some games at MSG with a deal for the new owners. Maybe 6 games at MSG, 7 at Barclays and 4 at Prudential Center in Newark?


Is that a plan full season ticket holders would like?



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Shades wrote:
toad455 wrote:
I wonder how busy the Barclays Center is during the summer and if they'd cut the new owners a deal. I still wonder if they'll be playing at multiple arenas and if Dolan will allow them to play some games at MSG with a deal for the new owners. Maybe 6 games at MSG, 7 at Barclays and 4 at Prudential Center in Newark?


Is that a plan full season ticket holders would like?


This plan sounds sad , i would feel like a homeless fan . Liberty was a Rolling stone where ever they laid an egg was there home.



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WNBA 09 wrote:
Shades wrote:
toad455 wrote:
I wonder how busy the Barclays Center is during the summer and if they'd cut the new owners a deal. I still wonder if they'll be playing at multiple arenas and if Dolan will allow them to play some games at MSG with a deal for the new owners. Maybe 6 games at MSG, 7 at Barclays and 4 at Prudential Center in Newark?


Is that a plan full season ticket holders would like?


This plan sounds sad , i would feel like a homeless fan . Liberty was a Rolling stone where ever they laid an egg was there home.


Just throwing something new out there.



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There's the additional complication here of a probable change in venue. The purchase would need to include a negotiation with any of the possible locations and that would probably be an additional cost. This will change the potential revenue stream and potential buyers need to consider this.


Speaking of revenue, what about the jersey sponsors and other promotion partners? I'm not sure about Verizon, but DraftKings is an MSG deal. Which marketing agreements remain valid if the Liberty leave MSG? Just more factors to consider.

I have to believe that there's going to be a grace period for a lot of these arrangements -- facilities, staff, sponsorship, etc. -- while the team transitions to new ownership. Corporations plan and budget for the following year ahead of time. All that stuff is done. Forcing change over the next four months probably doesn't benefit anyone.



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toad455 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Shades wrote:
toad455 wrote:
I wonder how busy the Barclays Center is during the summer and if they'd cut the new owners a deal. I still wonder if they'll be playing at multiple arenas and if Dolan will allow them to play some games at MSG with a deal for the new owners. Maybe 6 games at MSG, 7 at Barclays and 4 at Prudential Center in Newark?


Is that a plan full season ticket holders would like?


This plan sounds sad , i would feel like a homeless fan . Liberty was a Rolling stone where ever they laid an egg was there home.


Just throwing something new out there.


Better than what anyone else has come up with so far toad so i respect it .



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I doubt we hear anything soon. Now we're forced to wait until after the New Year. To which we start to worry since the league can't wait forever. Schedule needs to come out, free agency begins on Feb. 1, etc.



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root_thing wrote:
Nerd2 wrote:

There's the additional complication here of a probable change in venue. The purchase would need to include a negotiation with any of the possible locations and that would probably be an additional cost. This will change the potential revenue stream and potential buyers need to consider this.


Speaking of revenue, what about the jersey sponsors and other promotion partners? I'm not sure about Verizon, but DraftKings is an MSG deal. Which marketing agreements remain valid if the Liberty leave MSG? Just more factors to consider.

I have to believe that there's going to be a grace period for a lot of these arrangements -- facilities, staff, sponsorship, etc. -- while the team transitions to new ownership. Corporations plan and budget for the following year ahead of time. All that stuff is done. Forcing change over the next four months probably doesn't benefit anyone.

It has to be somewhat complicated even just in terms of employees. Is someone like Isiah Thomas or Swin Cash technically a Liberty employee, or under contract to MSG? And would a buyer actually want all those people for whatever Dolan has been paying them?

As I understand it, when a WNBA team moves it's often technically a contraction and immediate expansion as far as the books are concerned. But with a team staying in the same city and keeping the name/framework things might be different (or if Dolan's actually looking for a fee that would complicate matters). But as Luuuc mentioned a while back, there have been some positive rumbings. Don't panic until at least mid-January.



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Shades wrote:
toad455 wrote:
I wonder how busy the Barclays Center is during the summer and if they'd cut the new owners a deal. I still wonder if they'll be playing at multiple arenas and if Dolan will allow them to play some games at MSG with a deal for the new owners. Maybe 6 games at MSG, 7 at Barclays and 4 at Prudential Center in Newark?


Is that a plan full season ticket holders would like?


NO and not one I would pay the current subscription rate...having to sit on bleachers with carted in food at carnesecca would make me demand even less...value is becoming an issue if Dolan wants to split the schedule...huge issue



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And now that the holidays are over, the waiting game has begun until we hear the fate of our Liberty. Everyday without any news makes us more anxious that our Liberty won't be around. And everyday without any inside sources revealing anything makes the situation nearly unbearable. Free agency is reportedly starting earlier for 2018 and without a resolution as to if & where the Liberty will be playing makes me question the league and if it's fair to start the free agency process with a team in limbo. The real waiting game has officially begun...



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Free agency is reportedly starting earlier for 2018

No one ever said that unless you've heard something I haven't. As far as I know, it's starting the same time as usual - January 1st to start making qualifing offers, January 15th for teams and players to start talking, and February 1st for anyone to start signing anything.

And I still feel that it's a good sign for Liberty fans that the League hasn't felt it necessary to change any of that (as far as I've heard).



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Richyyy wrote:
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Free agency is reportedly starting earlier for 2018

No one ever said that unless you've heard something I haven't. As far as I know, it's starting the same time as usual - January 1st to start making qualifing offers, January 15th for teams and players to start talking, and February 1st for anyone to start signing anything.

And I still feel that it's a good sign for Liberty fans that the League hasn't felt it necessary to change any of that (as far as I've heard).


Agreed. For me, the crucial good sign thus far is that no one has reported any significant layoffs among Liberty employees. Presumably there are staff members right now doing what they'd normally do on January 2nd. (Though no doubt season ticket sales are being seriously hurt by the uncertainty.)

I wish the Liberty had a GM, but I felt the same way last January 2nd.



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With Charles being the top UFA, I wonder what her agent is currently telling her in regards to the Liberty situation. I sure hope it's "the new owners are keeping the team at MSG, so here's a max deal for you".



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I can say that top execs katie and all ticket reps are operating business as usual as of today



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With Charles being the top UFA, I wonder what her agent is currently telling her in regards to the Liberty situation. I sure hope it's "the new owners are keeping the team at MSG, so here's a max deal for you".


With the core designation it doesn't really matter for her, unless she decides to bully her way off of a second team.


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With Charles being the top UFA, I wonder what her agent is currently telling her in regards to the Liberty situation. I sure hope it's "the new owners are keeping the team at MSG, so here's a max deal for you".

The agent's saying "you're gonna get cored unless the entire Liberty franchise implodes."



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I can say that top execs katie and all ticket reps are operating business as usual as of today


Which I view as crucial confirmation that Liberty fans should try to stay calm.



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I can say that top execs katie and all ticket reps are operating business as usual as of today

I just went to check the website to see if the Liberty were still selling tickets (and was kinda horrified at the prices you guys are asked to pay for anything resembling a decent seat). It seems nuts to me that they're selling tickets to a team that will probably exist, but more than likely won't be playing at the arena shown on the ticket-pricing floor plan. Any seat you buy, any area you pick, would only end up being translated to a section in some other venue entirely. Have to think that there's every chance that things get cheaper at wherever they move, too.



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PostPosted: 01/02/18 1:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I can say that top execs katie and all ticket reps are operating business as usual as of today


Which I view as crucial confirmation that Liberty fans should try to stay calm.


Agreed. It would just be nice to hear SOMETHING this week. Something positive that the team is staying in New York.



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toad455 wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
Happycappie25 wrote:
I can say that top execs katie and all ticket reps are operating business as usual as of today


Which I view as crucial confirmation that Liberty fans should try to stay calm.


Agreed. It would just be nice to hear SOMETHING this week. Something positive that the team is staying in New York.


For reasons I've stated earlier, I view it as highly unlikely that anyone will be making an announcement this week. For your sake, since you seem so stressed, I hope I'm wrong. I continue to believe that this will drag on for a while.

Moreover, let's say that a deal is under discussion, even well along the way, but not yet signed. I don't think anyone involved is going to say anything publicly until the deal is actually done. A leak is always possible, but it looks to me like whoever is working on this has been doing a very good job thus far of keeping everything under wraps.



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I think the point I'm trying to say is in any of the big leagues, anytime a team is put up for sale and there's interested buyers, we know who these potential owners are. These suitors that are apparently interested in the Liberty have been in talks since at least late November and we have no inside info on who they might be.



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I think the point I'm trying to say is in any of the big leagues, anytime a team is put up for sale and there's interested buyers, we know who these potential owners are. These suitors that are apparently interested in the Liberty have been in talks since at least late November and we have no inside info on who they might be.


Why do you feel you need inside information on who these possible buyers might be? Do you feel fans have a right to know this inside information? Suppose we learn tomorrow that Rich Person X or Big Corporation Y has been in discussions with the hideous Jimmy Dolan about buying the Liberty. For me, none of it has any meaning until there is an actual deal. Lots and lots of possible business deals lead to serious discussion but never happen.



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Bringem To Texas , we need our 2 teams again Laughing



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Richyyy wrote:
Happycappie25 wrote:
I can say that top execs katie and all ticket reps are operating business as usual as of today

I just went to check the website to see if the Liberty were still selling tickets (and was kinda horrified at the prices you guys are asked to pay for anything resembling a decent seat).


Wow - my Storm seat is $400. the equivalent seat for the Liberty is nearly $1200.


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merlina wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
Happycappie25 wrote:
I can say that top execs katie and all ticket reps are operating business as usual as of today

I just went to check the website to see if the Liberty were still selling tickets (and was kinda horrified at the prices you guys are asked to pay for anything resembling a decent seat).


Wow - my Storm seat is $400. the equivalent seat for the Liberty is nearly $1200.

The highest-priced season ticket at the English Premier League soccer team I support (last season the 7th-best team in the most popular soccer league on the planet) is £565. That's around $768 at current exchange rates. I get that New York's one of the most expensive cities in the world whatever you're buying, but $1000+ for anything but the crappiest corner seats to see a niche sports league seems crazy. And you're not even getting as many games as I would at Everton. Congrats on showing up in the numbers that you do, NY fans.



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Well, when the Liberty returned to MSG in 2014, tickets were cheap($20 for bad seats, $27-$45 for decent seats). And they had discounts available(BOGOs, $15 tickets[center]) against less popular teams. The fans returned and the team was very good. Prices really went up in 2016 and increased again in 2017(my normal $27 seat in section 108 went up to $48 and a few rows below me went up from $37 to $75). The fans still showed up. We love our team. Now if prices go up again in 2018....



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