RebKell's Junkie Boards
Board Junkies Forums
 
Log in Register FAQ Memberlist Search RebKell's Junkie Boards Forum Index

New York Liberty 2018
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 32, 33, 34 ... 43, 44, 45  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    RebKell's Junkie Boards Forum Index » WNBA
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
toad455



Joined: 16 Nov 2005
Posts: 17515



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/02/18 9:49 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

What's with Vaughn? She's been absolutely useless so far. Would we have been better of with Russell instead? Maybe bring in Larkins? We're in trouble if this is the best we're going to get with Vaughn. At least Stokes is doing her work in rebounding, but I don't care for the small line-up with Coleman at PF and Charles at C.



_________________
LET'S GO LIBERTY!!!!!!

Twitter: @TBRBWAY
Randy



Joined: 08 Oct 2011
Posts: 8514



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/02/18 9:56 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Jet lag?


NYL_WNBA_FAN



Joined: 28 May 2007
Posts: 12408



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/02/18 9:56 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I agree about the small lineup when we are winning. Though I guess Katie was desperately trying for some offense. But that lineup hurt us on D down the stretch. I’m hoping Vaughn will get better once she gets acclimated. New coach, new system and no training camp. We will see.



_________________
The poster formerly known as LibWNBAFan.
Bob Lamm



Joined: 11 Apr 2010
Posts: 2419
Location: New York City


Back to top
PostPosted: 06/02/18 11:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

By scoring 34 points tonight, did Kia Nurse set a new franchise record for most points in one game by a rookie? And what is the WNBA record for most points by a rookie in one game? Thanks.



_________________
Let's remember Anucha Browne, who was sexually harassed by Isiah Thomas. In recent years, she served as a vice president of the NCAA focusing on women's basketball championships. Now she is part of the Senior Management Team of UNICEF USA.
root_thing



Joined: 28 Apr 2007
Posts: 4404
Location: Underground


Back to top
PostPosted: 06/02/18 11:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Generally, the small lineup is a waste of time unless they're using it to spread the floor. In the first half today, it was back to posting up Coleman. Why? In the second half, I'm not sure what was the purpose. Maybe to get better switching on defense? Indiana is so quick off the dribble that NY needed two players to corral the ballhandler. However, they also had to recover on open shooters. It looked like Stokes wasn't getting the job done, plus she was fouling people. Kiah ended up with five fouls. So, maybe that's why the small lineup was necessary later in the game.

During Indiana's comeback, the whole Liberty offense consisted of Hartley walking the ball up court and then dribble, dribble, dribble. As the clock ran down, someone would take a jump shot, and it would result in a one and done. Possession after possession, rinse and repeat. In the first half, New York passed the ball around and they drove to the hoop. Indiana doesn't have a big shot-blocker, so all they could do was foul. Where was all this in the second half? And why are the Liberty no longer running? It took them half a season to get it right last year, but once they started running the team played well. That was the whole point of Hartley replacing Prince as PG. Now, they're back to slow motion half-court offense. I don't get it.

Katie needs to be able to make adjustments when things go bad. Tonight, she had no answers. New York was lucky to scratch out a win.



_________________
Even now by the gate with your long hair blowing
And the colors of the day that lie along your arms
You must barter your life to make sure you are living
And the crowd that has come
You give them the colors
And the bells and wind and the dream
justinabina



Joined: 19 May 2014
Posts: 149



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/03/18 12:06 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Bob Lamm wrote:
By scoring 34 points tonight, did Kia Nurse set a new franchise record for most points in one game by a rookie? And what is the WNBA record for most points by a rookie in one game? Thanks.


Not sure about the franchise, but for the league, pilight has posted that information here: http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?t=72587&start=50

It looks like the most points by a rookie in one game is 40, by Candace Parker. [/url]


Bob Lamm



Joined: 11 Apr 2010
Posts: 2419
Location: New York City


Back to top
PostPosted: 06/03/18 12:31 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

justinabina wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
By scoring 34 points tonight, did Kia Nurse set a new franchise record for most points in one game by a rookie? And what is the WNBA record for most points by a rookie in one game? Thanks.


Not sure about the franchise, but for the league, pilight has posted that information here: http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?t=72587&start=50

It looks like the most points by a rookie in one game is 40, by Candace Parker. [/url]


Thanks!



_________________
Let's remember Anucha Browne, who was sexually harassed by Isiah Thomas. In recent years, she served as a vice president of the NCAA focusing on women's basketball championships. Now she is part of the Senior Management Team of UNICEF USA.
Randy



Joined: 08 Oct 2011
Posts: 8514



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/03/18 7:18 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Does anyone know if Nurse ever scored 34 or more in college? Pretty fantastic game for her.


pilight



Joined: 23 Sep 2004
Posts: 57453
Location: Where the action is


Back to top
PostPosted: 06/03/18 7:31 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Bob Lamm wrote:
By scoring 34 points tonight, did Kia Nurse set a new franchise record for most points in one game by a rookie? And what is the WNBA record for most points by a rookie in one game? Thanks.


The rookie record for points in a game is 40, set by Candace Parker



_________________
Ena! Ena!
Akout, akout, an déyè
Chaque amour fi nou wa na né
Chaque amour fi na né
Bob Lamm



Joined: 11 Apr 2010
Posts: 2419
Location: New York City


Back to top
PostPosted: 06/03/18 7:52 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
By scoring 34 points tonight, did Kia Nurse set a new franchise record for most points in one game by a rookie? And what is the WNBA record for most points by a rookie in one game? Thanks.


The rookie record for points in a game is 40, set by Candace Parker


Thanks. I'd still love to hear about the Liberty record if anyone knows.



_________________
Let's remember Anucha Browne, who was sexually harassed by Isiah Thomas. In recent years, she served as a vice president of the NCAA focusing on women's basketball championships. Now she is part of the Senior Management Team of UNICEF USA.
zune69



Joined: 27 May 2010
Posts: 7167



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/03/18 8:13 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I hope Nurse continues to play 25-30 mpg...Even when Rodgers,Prince,and Boyd make their return.


toad455



Joined: 16 Nov 2005
Posts: 17515



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/03/18 8:24 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Nurse could also be a top candidate for 6th woman. Though if the Sun continue to have Jonquel Jones come off the bench it'll be a tough race.



_________________
LET'S GO LIBERTY!!!!!!

Twitter: @TBRBWAY
toad455



Joined: 16 Nov 2005
Posts: 17515



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/03/18 8:42 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Our next two games are vs. Phoenix, then Connecticut. I hope one of Prince, Boyd or Rodgers is back and ready by Tuesday. And that Stokes & Vaughn step up vs. Griner.



_________________
LET'S GO LIBERTY!!!!!!

Twitter: @TBRBWAY
NYL_WNBA_FAN



Joined: 28 May 2007
Posts: 12408



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/03/18 8:43 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

root_thing wrote:
Generally, the small lineup is a waste of time unless they're using it to spread the floor. In the first half today, it was back to posting up Coleman. Why? In the second half, I'm not sure what was the purpose. Maybe to get better switching on defense? Indiana is so quick off the dribble that NY needed two players to corral the ballhandler. However, they also had to recover on open shooters. It looked like Stokes wasn't getting the job done, plus she was fouling people. Kiah ended up with five fouls. So, maybe that's why the small lineup was necessary later in the game.

During Indiana's comeback, the whole Liberty offense consisted of Hartley walking the ball up court and then dribble, dribble, dribble. As the clock ran down, someone would take a jump shot, and it would result in a one and done. Possession after possession, rinse and repeat. In the first half, New York passed the ball around and they drove to the hoop. Indiana doesn't have a big shot-blocker, so all they could do was foul. Where was all this in the second half? And why are the Liberty no longer running? It took them half a season to get it right last year, but once they started running the team played well. That was the whole point of Hartley replacing Prince as PG. Now, they're back to slow motion half-court offense. I don't get it.

Katie needs to be able to make adjustments when things go bad. Tonight, she had no answers. New York was lucky to scratch out a win.


I agree. I think the small lineup will mainly be beneficial when the Liberty are running...something they appear more likely to do when trailing and needing a quick run. Debbie Antonelli said that at one point Katie Smith was imploring them to run. But they still weren’t. I thought maybe they were tired being that six players played most of the minutes. I don’t love that so early in a season where there will be games in clusters and we haven’t even had any yet. I also thought Hartley was bothered by the pressure on her and in passing lanes. Backdoor cuts and quick movements can counter that but the Liberty took so long to get into their offense that they couldn’t counter it.



_________________
The poster formerly known as LibWNBAFan.


Last edited by NYL_WNBA_FAN on 06/03/18 9:01 am; edited 1 time in total
NYL_WNBA_FAN



Joined: 28 May 2007
Posts: 12408



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/03/18 8:48 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Bob Lamm wrote:
pilight wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
By scoring 34 points tonight, did Kia Nurse set a new franchise record for most points in one game by a rookie? And what is the WNBA record for most points by a rookie in one game? Thanks.


The rookie record for points in a game is 40, set by Candace Parker


Thanks. I'd still love to hear about the Liberty record if anyone knows.


I don’t know this for a fact but I’d bet the record belongs to Nurse. The Libs haven’t had many impact rookies. Christon and Leilani are the only two I can think of who played substantial minutes as rookies.



_________________
The poster formerly known as LibWNBAFan.
Richyyy



Joined: 17 Nov 2005
Posts: 20617
Location: London


Back to top
PostPosted: 06/03/18 9:11 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

If you look at pilight's list of rookie 30pt games, Nurse is the only Lib I see. So it would therefore have to be New York's rookie record.



_________________
Independent WNBA coverage: http://www.wnbalien.com/
NYL_WNBA_FAN



Joined: 28 May 2007
Posts: 12408



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/03/18 9:20 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote:
root_thing wrote:
Generally, the small lineup is a waste of time unless they're using it to spread the floor. In the first half today, it was back to posting up Coleman. Why? In the second half, I'm not sure what was the purpose. Maybe to get better switching on defense? Indiana is so quick off the dribble that NY needed two players to corral the ballhandler. However, they also had to recover on open shooters. It looked like Stokes wasn't getting the job done, plus she was fouling people. Kiah ended up with five fouls. So, maybe that's why the small lineup was necessary later in the game.

During Indiana's comeback, the whole Liberty offense consisted of Hartley walking the ball up court and then dribble, dribble, dribble. As the clock ran down, someone would take a jump shot, and it would result in a one and done. Possession after possession, rinse and repeat. In the first half, New York passed the ball around and they drove to the hoop. Indiana doesn't have a big shot-blocker, so all they could do was foul. Where was all this in the second half? And why are the Liberty no longer running? It took them half a season to get it right last year, but once they started running the team played well. That was the whole point of Hartley replacing Prince as PG. Now, they're back to slow motion half-court offense. I don't get it.

Katie needs to be able to make adjustments when things go bad. Tonight, she had no answers. New York was lucky to scratch out a win.


I agree. I think the small lineup will mainly be beneficial when the Liberty are running...something they appear more likely to do when trailing and needing a quick run. Debbie Antonelli said that at one point Katie Smith was imploring them to run. But they still weren’t. I thought maybe they were tired being that six players played most of the minutes. I don’t love that so early in a season where there will be games in clusters and we haven’t even had any yet. I also thought Hartley was bothered by the pressure on her and in passing lanes. Backdoor cuts and quick movements can counter that but the Liberty took so long to get into their offense that they couldn’t counter it.


Also thinking back to last year, Hartley was the primary PG by midseason precisely because she was used to help dictate tempo. But, that was predicated mainly on the Liberty post players beating opponents down the floor and getting post position. I like this offensive scheme better because it is more diverse and less likely to result in Tina getting something like back spasms before a playoff elimination game. However, I don't think this type of offense is one in which Hartley is going to be able to dictate tempo. It requires better floor vision and ball handling...two areas she is kind of weak at for a PG. The person who I think CAN play PG in this offense better than she did last year is Piph, particularly when Nurse is on the floor. While it's not her natural inclination to push tempo, it IS her natural inclination to get into a quick pick and roll and be able to create with a spaced-out floor. Nurse also has really good vision and moves the ball quick (unlike Rodgers) which should help offensive flow more than last year when the Piph/Rodgers backcourt was a failure.

I'm hoping that we see a lot of Piph-Nurse-Z-Tina-Stokes if we ever have a healthy squad. Hoping also by playoff time that Boyd is back and able to provide some energy infusion off the bench. But right now that's anyone's guess. When Sugar is back I'd like to see her right around 15-20 minutes per game even if she starts. That can work if Hartley and Allen have their minutes cut down. Then Nurse still gets her 25-30 minutes when needed. Ideally if you can keep Nurse around 20-25 minutes in games where it doesn't come down to the final 5 minutes that would be great, so that her high energy maintains itself.



_________________
The poster formerly known as LibWNBAFan.
toad455



Joined: 16 Nov 2005
Posts: 17515



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/03/18 9:59 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Also, going by yesterday's game, Z was the default backup PG, not Nurse.



_________________
LET'S GO LIBERTY!!!!!!

Twitter: @TBRBWAY
Bob Lamm



Joined: 11 Apr 2010
Posts: 2419
Location: New York City


Back to top
PostPosted: 06/03/18 12:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Three games this week in six days. No travel in between, which helps. Still, it would really be valuable if at least one of our injured players could be on the court, ideally more than one.



_________________
Let's remember Anucha Browne, who was sexually harassed by Isiah Thomas. In recent years, she served as a vice president of the NCAA focusing on women's basketball championships. Now she is part of the Senior Management Team of UNICEF USA.
GlennMacGrady



Joined: 03 Jan 2005
Posts: 4996
Location: Heisenberg


Back to top
PostPosted: 06/03/18 12:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Randy wrote:
Does anyone know if Nurse ever scored 34 or more in college? Pretty fantastic game for her.


I believe her high was 33 vs. DePaul (December 1, 2016). She averaged 11.4 PPG over 145 career games, and 13.7 PPG over 35 games in her senior season.
Randy



Joined: 08 Oct 2011
Posts: 8514



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/03/18 12:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Thanks. Perhaps the college teams she faced played better defense than Fever.


GlennMacGrady



Joined: 03 Jan 2005
Posts: 4996
Location: Heisenberg


Back to top
PostPosted: 06/03/18 12:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

More likely, Nurse was surrounded by better scorers during her UConn career than on the current Liberty, including Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis, Breanna Stewart, Morgan Tuck, Moriah Jefferson, Napheesa Collier, Azura Stevens and Katie Lou Samuelson.

Of course, aside from this initial high scoring game by Nurse, we're a long way from knowing what her final scoring average will be on the Liberty. But she's made an impressive start.
toad455



Joined: 16 Nov 2005
Posts: 17515



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/03/18 12:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

And more so, how much playing time she'll get once Rodgers & Prince return.



_________________
LET'S GO LIBERTY!!!!!!

Twitter: @TBRBWAY
NYL_WNBA_FAN



Joined: 28 May 2007
Posts: 12408



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/03/18 12:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Randy wrote:
Thanks. Perhaps the college teams she faced played better defense than Fever.


It’s early and a lot can still happen, but I think it demonstrates how college performance is only part of the equation. Pro projection also has to be made based on how a player is utilized, what their attributes are and how those attributes might differ in the spacing of the pro game.

That said it’s 4 games in and let’s see what happens when defenses treat her as a centerpiece of the perimeter offense. Still, her positive traits speak to continued progression in my opinion.



_________________
The poster formerly known as LibWNBAFan.
SpaceJunkie



Joined: 10 Sep 2012
Posts: 3500
Location: Minnesota


Back to top
PostPosted: 06/03/18 1:49 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Randy wrote:
Thanks. Perhaps the college teams she faced played better defense than Fever.


Never forget that Geno couldn't win a National Title (let alone make the Title game) with the G.O.A.T., Kia Nurse, unless he also had Breanna Stewart, Moriah Jefferson, and Morgan Tuck too! 🙊


root_thing



Joined: 28 Apr 2007
Posts: 4404
Location: Underground


Back to top
PostPosted: 06/03/18 1:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Once everybody is healthy NY should have enough perimeter options so that they can find an effective combination on any given night. I'm more concerned about the post rotation. After Tina, I'm not sure what to expect from the other three. Last season, Nayo didn't play a ton of minutes but at least you knew what to expect. She would give you high energy, athleticism, and some low post scoring. These days, you have Stokes who is inconsistent, Vaughn who was never anything special, and Zahui B. who is mistake prone. At the moment, none of them makes me feel comfortable -- although I'd still rather have them than Coleman playing PF.

As I've mentioned before, Nurse had that 34 point gold medal performance against Team USA in the Pan Am Games. That would be the highlight of her career so far. Through four WNBA games, she is exceeding her college impact. Of course, we knew she could shoot because Kia was a career 42.4% 3Pt shooter on high volume. And we knew Nurse would likely defend well beause she was voted National Defensive Player of the Year by the coaches' association. Nurse also played the most minutes for UConn, so you knew that Geno considered her the most important player to keep on the court. The components for success were there and known. However, you never know how these things will play out.



_________________
Even now by the gate with your long hair blowing
And the colors of the day that lie along your arms
You must barter your life to make sure you are living
And the crowd that has come
You give them the colors
And the bells and wind and the dream
WNBA 09



Joined: 26 Jun 2009
Posts: 7491
Location: Dallas , Texas


Back to top
PostPosted: 06/03/18 1:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Great performance by Kia last night albeit against the worst team in the league ive been refraining on judging her impact until Game 10. I must say she has been a pleasant surprise. I just hope Coach Smith doesn't Favor Sugar over her.



_________________
3-Time WNBA Champion-3-Time National Champion-4-Time Olympic Champion....And Yes DT "We Got Confeti" lol
NYL_WNBA_FAN



Joined: 28 May 2007
Posts: 12408



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/03/18 2:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

root_thing wrote:
Once everybody is healthy NY should have enough perimeter options so that they can find an effective combination on any given night. I'm more concerned about the post rotation. After Tina, I'm not sure what to expect from the other three. Last season, Nayo didn't play a ton of minutes but at least you knew what to expect. She would give you high energy, athleticism, and some low post scoring. These days, you have Stokes who is inconsistent, Vaughn who was never anything special, and Zahui B. who is mistake prone. At the moment, none of them makes me feel comfortable -- although I'd still rather have them than Coleman playing PF.

As I've mentioned before, Nurse had that 34 point gold medal performance against Team USA in the Pan Am Games. That would be the highlight of her career so far. Through four WNBA games, she is exceeding her college impact. Of course, we knew she could shoot because Kia was a career 42.4% 3Pt shooter on high volume. And we knew Nurse would likely defend well beause she was voted National Defensive Player of the Year by the coaches' association. Nurse also played the most minutes for UConn, so you knew that Geno considered her the most important player to keep on the court. The components for success were there and known. However, you never know how these things will play out.


If you look at NY’s defensive and rebounding numbers, an unsure and not very deep post rotation has NY being outrebounded by a few per game and having a defensive FG % of 43%. That’s not even accounting the non-existent offense outside of Tina. Kiah is not all the way there yet and Vaughn is inconsistent even when she’s been with the team longer than a week. When Zahui and Vaughn played together I feel some of the plays weren’t run correctly. Not sure by whom but the spacing was very suspect. This is Zahui’s opportunity. She needs to take advantage of it. And if we aren’t getting offense from any of the 3, we at least need defense and rebounding. The team has firepower otherwise. But they’re also not talented enough to win without defending and rebounding consistently.



_________________
The poster formerly known as LibWNBAFan.
J-Spoon



Joined: 31 Jan 2009
Posts: 4700



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/03/18 2:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Is it time to consider straight up waiving someone to bring in another post?

Would a younger player Like Bburdock or Bulgak be worth giving a spot over say Vaughn would a grittier vet like Cannon or Larkin an option if we just want more size would Hanson or Hamblin be a better fit as 10 minute a night center than Vaughn?

Either way I might go all in on Zahui b and ride or die with her mistakes over Vaughn's contributions.


NYL_WNBA_FAN



Joined: 28 May 2007
Posts: 12408



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/03/18 5:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

J-Spoon wrote:
Is it time to consider straight up waiving someone to bring in another post?

Would a younger player Like Bburdock or Bulgak be worth giving a spot over say Vaughn would a grittier vet like Cannon or Larkin an option if we just want more size would Hanson or Hamblin be a better fit as 10 minute a night center than Vaughn?

Either way I might go all in on Zahui b and ride or die with her mistakes over Vaughn's contributions.


If they get someone, I really think it needs to be someone who defends the rim. I wouldn’t replace Vaughn unless you’re getting a true C who can protect the rim. Problem is, everyone wants that. If you have one, you’re not trading her unless she’s an underachiever the Libs could get something more out of. And who fits that description? Boyette? Atlanta traded a lottery pick for her. As ill-advised at that looks, it is what it is. You’re not getting her for nothing. If anything we have to figure out if we can get more out of Zahui.



_________________
The poster formerly known as LibWNBAFan.
WNBA 09



Joined: 26 Jun 2009
Posts: 7491
Location: Dallas , Texas


Back to top
PostPosted: 06/05/18 2:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Im questioning how good this team really is ? Or maybe im questioning how good of a coach Katie smith is ? Not sure , but neither sit well . Question



_________________
3-Time WNBA Champion-3-Time National Champion-4-Time Olympic Champion....And Yes DT "We Got Confeti" lol
toad455



Joined: 16 Nov 2005
Posts: 17515



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/05/18 2:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Smith needs to dump the small line up completely. Coleman just can't play in the post. And give Zahui B more minutes. And possibly swap Vaughn for Larkins.



_________________
LET'S GO LIBERTY!!!!!!

Twitter: @TBRBWAY
WNBA 09



Joined: 26 Jun 2009
Posts: 7491
Location: Dallas , Texas


Back to top
PostPosted: 06/05/18 2:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
Smith needs to dump the small line up completely. Coleman just can't play in the post. And give Zahui B more minutes. And possibly swap Vaughn for Larkins.


Riding the Zahui B train after 1 good performance aye ? You were on the train to cut her just a week or two ago . Laughing Laughing



_________________
3-Time WNBA Champion-3-Time National Champion-4-Time Olympic Champion....And Yes DT "We Got Confeti" lol
toad455



Joined: 16 Nov 2005
Posts: 17515



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/05/18 2:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
toad455 wrote:
Smith needs to dump the small line up completely. Coleman just can't play in the post. And give Zahui B more minutes. And possibly swap Vaughn for Larkins.


Riding the Zahui B train after 1 good performance aye ? You were on the train to cut her just a week or two ago . Laughing Laughing


Before the season, yes. And she's had a few good games so far. She's our second best post this season.



_________________
LET'S GO LIBERTY!!!!!!

Twitter: @TBRBWAY
WNBA 09



Joined: 26 Jun 2009
Posts: 7491
Location: Dallas , Texas


Back to top
PostPosted: 06/05/18 2:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
toad455 wrote:
Smith needs to dump the small line up completely. Coleman just can't play in the post. And give Zahui B more minutes. And possibly swap Vaughn for Larkins.


Riding the Zahui B train after 1 good performance aye ? You were on the train to cut her just a week or two ago . Laughing Laughing


Before the season, yes. And she's had a few good games so far. She's our second best post this season.


I sadly agree !



_________________
3-Time WNBA Champion-3-Time National Champion-4-Time Olympic Champion....And Yes DT "We Got Confeti" lol
Shades



Joined: 10 Jul 2006
Posts: 49109



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/05/18 2:50 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
toad455 wrote:
Smith needs to dump the small line up completely. Coleman just can't play in the post. And give Zahui B more minutes. And possibly swap Vaughn for Larkins.


Riding the Zahui B train after 1 good performance aye ? You were on the train to cut her just a week or two ago . Laughing Laughing


Before the season, yes. And she's had a few good games so far. She's our second best post this season.


That's why you goitta fight the impulses. Reeve spoke of this to The Athletic.



_________________
Nnekalonians 1:14 - Thou shalt not accept that which is not earned
Randy



Joined: 08 Oct 2011
Posts: 8514



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/05/18 2:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So when it came to Howard, Reeve didn't fight the impulse.....


Shades



Joined: 10 Jul 2006
Posts: 49109



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/05/18 2:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Randy wrote:
So when it came to Howard, Reeve didn't fight the impulse.....


She had a long time to think about Howard. Impulse is when you make a decision based on one game.



_________________
Nnekalonians 1:14 - Thou shalt not accept that which is not earned
Randy



Joined: 08 Oct 2011
Posts: 8514



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/05/18 3:47 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
Randy wrote:
So when it came to Howard, Reeve didn't fight the impulse.....


She had a long time to think about Howard. Impulse is when you make a decision based on one game.


And still make the wrong decision. According to some.


Happycappie25



Joined: 07 Feb 2006
Posts: 3947
Location: QUEENS!!!!


Back to top
PostPosted: 06/05/18 5:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Got back and got my composure...Cut I am boiling.

Not at the game...I think we played good...Katie needs some late game management pointers but that's for the game thread. Which I will comment on after this post

But...ANNOUNCED 7215...so...you say the only time the garden can be viable is for kids days where you paper the place top to bottom...and you get 7215...who knows or cares if they paid or not. That's besides the point...place looked mostly full but the backs of the endcourt...empty and unsold...the really low seats seemed to be reserved for STH who opted in...since we were partial we sweet talked our way into OUR seats at our price. Yes there was a lot of empty in the bottom..that's on us but can you blame us.

Got some empty seat shots in this tweet...ill repeat the caption cuz I still feel this way.

https://twitter.com/Starkman55/status/1004034482310144000

All off season the @nyliberty party line has been well kids day with "14k" but not with 9k on sundays and for pride...pride at MSG drew this and then some the backs are unsold no upper deck...to me its clear the move...the sale is about POLITICS. Not money

Why?

because if it was about money you'd still get the kids in there...you'd get your big crowd, you'd get your promotional material you'd get everything youd expect.

7215...here's why im pissed. Pride has been a seller since 2015 for MSG...you could have gotten paid attendance greater than 7215 if you held Pride at MSG...i doubt a full house of 2300 will go to Westchester but we will see...

so screw the league average screw any attempt at drawing even group sales...

7215

announced


I saw Dolan's smug face right in front of Lib Fan and the other hardcore STH...I applaud your restraint staring right at him and not saying a word...I know I couldnt do that LOL

Cuz if it was about money wouldnt one hold PRIDE at MSG and GET 10k paid...you said 9k wasnt enough but 7215 at group rate is hunky dory...ok...whatever you exposed the business...

Even spoke to some who have their ears closer to the ground thru PMs

I dont believe you gave away 5k seats when you have 10k because 5k given away seats dont sit in them...

I believe you gave more seats away here than you would if you had pride here.

Or a sunday game where the crowd was much more families who certainly seemed to paid and paid well.

At high prices.

No...could it be your a trump crony who may not like the fact that well the WNBA has refused you dumping 50% of the team to Isiah because of the Anucha Browne controversy?

a WNBA whos fans and players lean quite left...if you did I do believe there were 3 bidders who wanted a lease you didnt want to give

meanwhile you do this to another one of your other properties:

http://ew.com/news/2017/01/20/rockettes-perform-trump-inaugural-ball-amid-controversy/

Yeah he coulda just dumped it...think he may still...but this isnt about crying poverty

Yes I'm certain there was a large amount of debt...as I discussed Pru Center was a disaster without money that was pocket a to pocket b but demanded to be paid

I'm sure there are tickets given away...but not to the quantites implied by Dolan.

I know the overhead is high but you can no longer cry that when your plan is fill the garden with kids then play all other games in westchester...and you instead get 7215...announced...so yeah no no more crying poverty if your willing to do that but not sundays WHICH DREW...or Pride WHICH DREW...midweeks esp in a condensed season ill give a pass for which is why i'm waiting till now to unload

but he can book more profitable events...

Well...

Ok...

book more profitable events those dates

Thursday MMA in the basement main arena DARK (Im being fair enough to note the MSG in the Basement/felt forum/paramount/wamu/hulu whatever 5k thingie that lurks below the arena)

Sunday DARK

Tuesday DARK

https://www.msg.com/calendar?location=New%20York

I'll go on on a game by game basis as those dates are closer

I dont care about your right to sell or your lack of want to open MSG even on a lease.

But stop pissing in our ears and telling us its raining...

7215 when the goal is to stuff the place...when only kids days were supposed to be profitable...no mr dolan

just no.



_________________
"Leave it to the NCAA women's basketball committee to turn a glass slipper into glass ceiling" Graham Hays
Bob Lamm



Joined: 11 Apr 2010
Posts: 2419
Location: New York City


Back to top
PostPosted: 06/05/18 5:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Thank you, Happiecappie. Hideous Lord Jimmy... at his usual level of lies and slime.



_________________
Let's remember Anucha Browne, who was sexually harassed by Isiah Thomas. In recent years, she served as a vice president of the NCAA focusing on women's basketball championships. Now she is part of the Senior Management Team of UNICEF USA.
WNBA 09



Joined: 26 Jun 2009
Posts: 7491
Location: Dallas , Texas


Back to top
PostPosted: 06/05/18 5:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Well id say unless you have the money to put up can we really argue with his decision ? He IS the longest tenured owner so does that warrant any type of reconciliation ? i doubt it does just looking for the silver lining here



_________________
3-Time WNBA Champion-3-Time National Champion-4-Time Olympic Champion....And Yes DT "We Got Confeti" lol
toad455



Joined: 16 Nov 2005
Posts: 17515



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/05/18 8:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Exculding the kids days, Pride day last year was the only regular season game where they opened up part of the 200s and drew over 11k. So I doubt many comps we're given out. They really should allow 6 games at MSG. The two kids days, Pride day, a game vs. the Mystics to please Delle Donne's fans, and a game vs. LA and someone else at the end of the season. Those 6 should draw 10k each or more. The rest can be played at WCC. I've been wondering if the Liberty make the semis or even the finals if Dolan will let them play at MSG if it's available?



_________________
LET'S GO LIBERTY!!!!!!

Twitter: @TBRBWAY
Happycappie25



Joined: 07 Feb 2006
Posts: 3947
Location: QUEENS!!!!


Back to top
PostPosted: 06/05/18 9:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
Exculding the kids days, Pride day last year was the only regular season game where they opened up part of the 200s and drew over 11k. So I doubt many comps we're given out. They really should allow 6 games at MSG. The two kids days, Pride day, a game vs. the Mystics to please Delle Donne's fans, and a game vs. LA and someone else at the end of the season. Those 6 should draw 10k each or more. The rest can be played at WCC. I've been wondering if the Liberty make the semis or even the finals if Dolan will let them play at MSG if it's available?


exactly instead they don't even come close on kids day sad



_________________
"Leave it to the NCAA women's basketball committee to turn a glass slipper into glass ceiling" Graham Hays
toad455



Joined: 16 Nov 2005
Posts: 17515



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/05/18 9:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'd have to check the records, but 7,215 seems very low for a Liberty camp day. Makes me wonder if Dolan/MSG put the word out to the schools in time?



_________________
LET'S GO LIBERTY!!!!!!

Twitter: @TBRBWAY
WNBA 09



Joined: 26 Jun 2009
Posts: 7491
Location: Dallas , Texas


Back to top
PostPosted: 06/05/18 9:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
I'd have to check the records, but 7,215 seems very low for a Liberty camp day. Makes me wonder if Dolan/MSG put the word out to the schools in time?


Or if the schools were confused after hearing about the move and not knowing if the game really was at MSG?



_________________
3-Time WNBA Champion-3-Time National Champion-4-Time Olympic Champion....And Yes DT "We Got Confeti" lol
Randy



Joined: 08 Oct 2011
Posts: 8514



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/05/18 9:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Seems like Kids day can have about as many fans as you care to have (and give free tickets). It almost seems as though Dolan is trying to drive down the attendance numbers. With his talk about losing money, giving a free tickets, etc it is as if he is trying poison his own well.


tfan



Joined: 31 May 2010
Posts: 6727



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/05/18 9:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
They really should allow 6 games at MSG. The two kids days, Pride day, a game vs. the Mystics to please Delle Donne's fans, and a game vs. LA and someone else at the end of the season. Those 6 should draw 10k each or more. The rest can be played at WCC.


Delle Donne draws a large amount of people from Delaware to MSG?


toad455



Joined: 16 Nov 2005
Posts: 17515



Back to top
PostPosted: 06/06/18 4:22 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

tfan wrote:
toad455 wrote:
They really should allow 6 games at MSG. The two kids days, Pride day, a game vs. the Mystics to please Delle Donne's fans, and a game vs. LA and someone else at the end of the season. Those 6 should draw 10k each or more. The rest can be played at WCC.


Delle Donne draws a large amount of people from Delaware to MSG?


yes. whether when she was with the Sky or Mystics, they get a solid 500+ people to come up. The entire section behind the visitors bench is filled with her fans.



_________________
LET'S GO LIBERTY!!!!!!

Twitter: @TBRBWAY
Happycappie25



Joined: 07 Feb 2006
Posts: 3947
Location: QUEENS!!!!


Back to top
PostPosted: 06/06/18 4:43 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
Exculding the kids days, Pride day last year was the only regular season game where they opened up part of the 200s and drew over 11k. So I doubt many comps we're given out. They really should allow 6 games at MSG. The two kids days, Pride day, a game vs. the Mystics to please Delle Donne's fans, and a game vs. LA and someone else at the end of the season. Those 6 should draw 10k each or more. The rest can be played at WCC. I've been wondering if the Liberty make the semis or even the finals if Dolan will let them play at MSG if it's available?


exactly instead they don't even come close on kids day sad



_________________
"Leave it to the NCAA women's basketball committee to turn a glass slipper into glass ceiling" Graham Hays
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    RebKell's Junkie Boards Forum Index » WNBA All times are GMT - 5 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 32, 33, 34 ... 43, 44, 45  Next
Page 33 of 45

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB 2.0.17 © 2001- 2004 phpBB Group
phpBB Template by Vjacheslav Trushkin