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PostPosted: 05/15/18 1:08 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I think you have to “activate” Vaughn by the 17th, unless you’ve stumbled upon some kind of exception for overseas players. I guess we’ll learn some things.

Dallas trimmed down to 12 players despite Plaisance not being able to play, so it looks like we were right about that.


I think when Prince came late last year we were able to keep Alston until her arrival. The rule might be different if you are actually not with the team, than with the team but unable to play. I'm not sure. I could be wrong.


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PostPosted: 05/15/18 1:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

They could certainly temporarily suspend Vaughn until she shows up, but you need the cap room for all 13.



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Just going by the media day pics from today, there's no pictures of Gray or Murphy, so I wonder if they've been waived?



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Just going by the media day pics from today, there's no pictures of Gray or Murphy, so I wonder if they've been waived?


Was Faris in the pictures?

It did cross my mind if Boyd is back but Prince is still hurt maybe they would keep Faris over L. Allen until Vaughn returned.

Was L. Allen in the pictures? or R. Allen? (I guess technically they still don't need to be down to 12 until Thursday, so it might not really matter).


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Yes, Faris was in the pictures. R. Allen apparently hasn't shown up yet. There were also pics of L. Allen. So R. Allen shows up on, what?, Wednesday only to be sent home on Thursday?



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Yes, Faris was in the pictures. R. Allen apparently hasn't shown up yet. There were also pics of L. Allen. So R. Allen shows up on, what?, Wednesday only to be sent home on Thursday?


I'm beginning to think Richyyy is right and R. Allen will decide to sit out this year.


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Yes, Faris was in the pictures. R. Allen apparently hasn't shown up yet. There were also pics of L. Allen. So R. Allen shows up on, what?, Wednesday only to be sent home on Thursday?


I'm beginning to think Richyyy is right and R. Allen will decide to sit out this year.


Maybe you should try to trade RAllen to PHX.

RAllen for the rights to Musina?



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Looks like Faris was waived.

As was Murphy.


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Looks like Faris was waived.

As was Murphy.


And Gray. This would bring them down to 14 with R. Allen. I'm learning towards her not coming over at this point. If that's the case we're at 13 with Vaughn being temp. suspended until she arrives sometime next week. If Boyd is indeed 100%, is there really a need to keep L. Allen? Maybe trade her to keep 5 posts? Trade Rodgers if Prince is healthy?

PG: Hartley/Boyd/L. Allen
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And Gray.

According to what/where/whom? Faris and Murphy were on the pile of stuff .com just threw up, but I don't see Gray there.



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And Gray.

According to what/where/whom? Faris and Murphy were on the pile of stuff .com just threw up, but I don't see Gray there.


There's no pics of her from their media day today. So not official, but it seems pretty clear.



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I didn't see any pictures of Coleman or Hartley either. At least they did a Mother's Day story about Bria. Smile

So, Stokes got a contract extension. Does that mean she's no longer fat? Razz



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So, Stokes got a contract extension. Does that mean she's no longer fat? Razz


This is how she looked about a month ago:



Is that fat?



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Do you have pictures from last year when Kiah was accused of being fat? We need a comparison.

Just checked the footage on Snapchat. No Coleman or Hartley there either. We need J-Spoon to speculate on a trade.



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Gray is there, she's been very active on IG today.


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Gray is there, she's been very active on IG today.


ok. so maybe Gray over Zahui B.?



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Gray is there, she's been very active on IG today.


ok. so maybe Gray over Zahui B.?


Or they have another practice to make their case


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Gray posted on IG in her uniform with Boyd. Saw Zaui in uniform. I saw bria in shots in her uniform. Also Tspoon with sugar, boyd and zellous. Charles also had pictures up in uniform.

didnt see any of colman or piph


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Gray posted on IG in her uniform with Boyd. Saw Zaui in uniform. I saw bria in shots in her uniform. Also Tspoon with sugar, boyd and zellous. Charles also had pictures up in uniform.

didnt see any of colman or piph


Piph is in a picture with Zellous on Twitter. So, that leaves Coleman as the missing woman. Hmmm, maybe I hurt her feelings with my posts and she left.



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Gray posted on IG in her uniform with Boyd. Saw Zaui in uniform. I saw bria in shots in her uniform. Also Tspoon with sugar, boyd and zellous. Charles also had pictures up in uniform.

didnt see any of colman or piph


Piph is in a picture with Zellous on Twitter. So, that leaves Coleman as the missing woman. Hmmm, maybe I hurt her feelings with my posts and she left.


If Coleman’s number is “0”, I saw her.



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If Coleman’s number is “0”, I saw her.


Where?



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So, Stokes got a contract extension. Does that mean she's no longer fat? Razz


This is how she looked about a month ago:



Is that fat?

Yeah, she is fat in all the RIGHT places! Very Happy Very Happy



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I think there is a big difference between being fat and not being in game shape..



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I think there is a big difference between being fat and not being in game shape..


True, but Stokes hasn't played any games yet. Nothing is different from last season. Kiah played in the Turkish League last winter, she played in the Turkish League this winter. And she arguably had a better season last year. It should be noted that right after Kiah was accused of being out of shape with New York, she went on to have her three best games of the year, averaging 14 points, 15 rebounds, and 2 blocks. So, did Stokes get in game shape for one week?



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So does anyone think ESPN will dump their ridiculous Body issue in favor of a WNBA Swimsuit edition?



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Stokes signs contract extension



interesting they extend Stokes but not Boyd, they both come out in the same draft together. this is Boyd last chance with the Libs, if she gets hurt or don't play well she won't be in a Liberty uniform next year. it is why i think they will keep L. Allen on the 12 women roster and why they drafted Nurse that can play multiple positions.


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Since all these recent rash of contract extensions are from the same draft class and aren’t coming with press releases that I’ve noticed, I wonder if it’s just that one year extension of the rookie contract, which typically doesn’t show up in the transactions. In other words, not a big deal unless you see one that is reported as a multi-year extension, like Diggins got.



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The CBA has an opt-out clause for 2019 that's available to both sides. The contract extensions may be related to that. Perhaps one-side or the other wants to lock-in what they think are acceptable terms rather than take a chance with possible negative change.



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I think there is a big difference between being fat and not being in game shape..


True, but Stokes hasn't played any games yet. Nothing is different from last season. Kiah played in the Turkish League last winter, she played in the Turkish League this winter. And she arguably had a better season last year. It should be noted that right after Kiah was accused of being out of shape with New York, she went on to have her three best games of the year, averaging 14 points, 15 rebounds, and 2 blocks. So, did Stokes get in game shape for one week?


I just mean that she hasnt been fat to begin with.



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Since all these recent rash of contract extensions are from the same draft class and aren’t coming with press releases that I’ve noticed, I wonder if it’s just that one year extension of the rookie contract, which typically doesn’t show up in the transactions. In other words, not a big deal unless you see one that is reported as a multi-year extension, like Diggins got.


Okay, now they just came out with a release saying they were signed to multi-year deals. Loyd I can see, but KML? Hughes hasn't even worked with her yet. Weird.
http://storm.wnba.com/news/jewell-loyd-kaleena-mosqueda-lewis-ink-multi-year-extensions-with-seattle/



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We can say the same about Stokes. She was at her best as a rookie, dropped-off a little in her second year, and dropped off some more last season. What's the hurry to give her a contract extension? Worst case scenario, Kiah becomes an RFA and you can match any offer. But if she falls off some more, then you could let her walk. Now you're stuck with her for better or worse.



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We can say the same about Stokes. She was at her best as a rookie, dropped-off a little in her second year, and dropped off some more last season. What's the hurry to give her a contract extension? Worst case scenario, Kiah becomes an RFA and you can match any offer. But if she falls off some more, then you could let her walk. Now you're stuck with her for better or worse.


Even at her worst she is still a good defensive post. Put the right pieces around her that can score and you have a really solid player. I would have her on the Storm right away Surprised



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So Vaughn likely won't be back until end of May now, likely missing 6 games. This should lock in Zahui B and Russell for now.



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We can say the same about Stokes. She was at her best as a rookie, dropped-off a little in her second year, and dropped off some more last season. What's the hurry to give her a contract extension? Worst case scenario, Kiah becomes an RFA and you can match any offer. But if she falls off some more, then you could let her walk. Now you're stuck with her for better or worse.


Hoping that means they've seen some type of indicator of a step up.



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So Vaughn likely won't be back until end of May now, likely missing 6 games.

Based on what? If the Turkish Finals end in 4, she'll have four days to make it back to the US for New York's second game. I dunno where you're getting six from.



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Liberty didn't get much love in the GM survey. Apparently nobody thinks we are going to finish in the top 5 even.

On the Nurse comparison to Katie Douglas. I think that's pretty good. I thought Root's hi-low of Douglas/Shenise Johnson was pretty good as well because she has traits that match both players. I do think that Nurse as a rookie stands a reasonable chance of getting beyond what Katie Douglas did as a rookie because Nurse is a much better 3 point shooter at the same stage of development. There are otherwise very uncanny similarities between the two players. Like Douglas, Nurse has that long 6'0" lanky build. Like Douglas, Nurse's success will probably be predicated on a combo of 3-ball and mid-range play that will involve creative separation from defenders. Because, like Douglas, at least the rookie version, Nurse's finishing game will also be the weakest part of her game. Even later in her career, while I wouldn't say Douglas wasn't a bad finisher, she never got to the foul line a bunch and mainly created her separation further away from the basket. I could totally see Kia Nurse's career following a similar trajectory.

I think Nurse has a chance to eventually exceed the level of play of Katie Douglas if a few things happen, but accomplishing that will be a task. Also, Douglas REALLY developed her ball-handling and use of fakes and step-backs to gain separation from defenders. That will be a process that will take several years for Nurse, but I do think given her body type and style of play, viewing the development of Katie Douglas on film would be a terrific place to start in terms of developing her game.



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So Vaughn likely won't be back until end of May now, likely missing 6 games.

Based on what? If the Turkish Finals end in 4, she'll have four days to make it back to the US for New York's second game. I dunno where you're getting six from.


Basing it on the Finals going 5 games.



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Is it expected that she will need some time off in that equation?



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So Vaughn likely won't be back until end of May now, likely missing 6 games.

Based on what? If the Turkish Finals end in 4, she'll have four days to make it back to the US for New York's second game. I dunno where you're getting six from.


Basing it on the Finals going 5 games.

Adding all of two or three more days...



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Whatever the number of games turns out to be, temporary suspension is an option right (for Kia)? If Piph is also in a long-term injury situation, then Vaughn would have to only miss two games in order to enable Coleman, Zahui and Russell to all make the team and stay aboard as long as Boyd and Piph are out.

I'm kind of assuming both players are and will be out for awhile. We've already been told Boyd won't start the season.



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Whatever the number of games turns out to be, temporary suspension is an option right (for Kia)? If Piph is also in a long-term injury situation, then Vaughn would have to only miss two games in order to enable Coleman, Zahui and Russell to all make the team and stay aboard as long as Boyd and Piph are out.

I'm kind of assuming both players are and will be out for awhile. We've already been told Boyd won't start the season.


Which is it ? I just read a post here that stated coach smith said boyd will "Ready to play on sunday" Question

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We should have on Sunday.

PG: Hartley/Boyd/LAllen
SG: Rodgers/Nurse
SF: Zellous/Coleman
PF: Charles/Zahui B.
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Whatever the number of games turns out to be, temporary suspension is an option right (for Kia)? If Piph is also in a long-term injury situation, then Vaughn would have to only miss two games in order to enable Coleman, Zahui and Russell to all make the team and stay aboard as long as Boyd and Piph are out.

I'm kind of assuming both players are and will be out for awhile. We've already been told Boyd won't start the season.


Which is it ? I just read a post here that stated coach smith said boyd will "Ready to play on sunday" Question

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Katie Smith has told STH today that Boyd will be ready to play on Sunday. No status of Prince.
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Ohhhh. Good catch. I hadn't heard that and if so that's awesome. I was going on something that came from the organization awhile back. Not sure if it was Katie but it was definitely a quote from someone in the organization. I hadn't heard the quote you mention. But if so, that's great.

It would also mean the lack of a hardship roster spot being available. Thus making the roster situation kind of murky.



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We should have on Sunday.

PG: Hartley/Boyd/LAllen
SG: Rodgers/Nurse
SF: Zellous/Coleman
PF: Charles/Zahui B.
C: Stokes/Russell
IR: Prince
SUSP: Vaughn


This lineup leaves us with 4 posts, which makes sense. Is Vaughn going to take some time off upon return? It would give more time to sort out the roster situation. Is she allowed to remain suspended once her overseas play ends? These kinds of rules I am not familiar with.

Also, is Piph definitely injured or just a guess?

If Zahui can contribute something, the depth here is really, really good. I am hoping that they can get creative upon Vaughn's return. There's pieces here that they can probably deal for something good. And call me crazy but I like this roster quite a bit. I know people are selling us short but I think this team has a chance to be pretty good. If Boyd is anywhere near the Boyd of old we might be very good. Her infusion of energy off the bench has helped us in the past.



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Whatever the number of games turns out to be, temporary suspension is an option right (for Kia)?

Depends on the cap situation, more than anything else. If they have enough room to cover 13 players, then yes.



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Whatever the number of games turns out to be, temporary suspension is an option right (for Kia)?

Depends on the cap situation, more than anything else. If they have enough room to cover 13 players, then yes.


This makes me feel the Liberty will let Vaughn "rest" to fall under this suspension. Then one of L. Allen, Zahui B or Russell get cut when Vaughn is back.



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Hopefully there's a trade to be had somewhere.



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