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[zune69]

Not big or strong enough to guard the PF's...Doesn't have the speed,quickness,or ball-handling ability to play the 3...Collier appears to the quintessential tweener(Bench player)..and that isn't necessarily a bad thing...Samuelson IMO is more suited for playing the SF position.Maybe the Liberty will get a draft day gift from Coach Stocks.If the order of the 2019 draft is Chicago #2 and New York #3...I wouldnt be shocked if Stocks did something stupid like pass on McCowen/Brown...I have my concerns about McCowen,but I think she'd be a great fit on a team where she doesn't have to be a primary offensive player(Chicago).

If the Liberty end up with the 3rd pick..and Brown,McCowen,and Ionescu aren't on the board...I would draft Samuelson or Durr....Then make Phoenix a fair offer for Gulich.

[root_thing]

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[toad455]

I doubt Chicago takes Brown or McCowan. Probably Samuelson or Collier. Maybe NY gets the #3 pick and gets Brown. We better root for Vegas to make the playoffs over Connecticut at this point.

1. Indiana - McCowan
2. Chicago - Samuelson
3. New York - Brown
4. Connecticut - ???

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[LibFan25]

like i said again and again we need a post badly. you want to keep getting destroyed by Cambage, Griner, and Fowles every night? nope not this Lib Fan we need a big body in the paint. enuff is eunff. we have already so many guards we don't need. we should be trading some of them to get a post but hey what do i know about being a GM i'm just a fan


as for Collier, she runs perfectly fine for her size. good speed, great length. smooth with great hands. i'm sick and tired of seeing butterfingers Vaughn

[NYL_WNBA_FAN]

Definitely need more mobility and/or length in the post, no question. No matter who we draft, this post rotation isn’t going to cut it. The league has radically changed in one year and the Libs have to change too. I’m watching Seattle-CT on DVR (no spoilers please) and you have two teams hustling, helping and actively moving their feet. Vaughn is generally a statue by comparison, and not only does she not have the quickness, she also doesn’t play with any fire. If it’s not draft-wise in the lottery, then another way to get a post player is absolutely a must.

Regarding Collier, I think she’s faster than most WNBA small forwards right now. And her first step quickness is explosive. Also a good passer. I don’t think the speed part is even debatable. Plus, she’s a long-strider who’s ALSO a pretty quick leaper. Most long-striders (Stewie, EDD) also have long arms, which they utilize effectively without necessarily being explosive leapers. Collier is also not a great leaper, but she’s very quick off the floor. That’s a nasty combo. One way or another, that physical package is going to be a handful in the WNBA.

Here’s an article that also indicates the willingness to improve her game:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.courant.com/sports/uconn-womens-basketball/hc-uconn-women-insider-collier-20170805-story,amp.html

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[J-Spoon]

Just a reminder it is mathematically impossible for NY to get the #3 pick unless IV gets into the playoffs and one of Connecticut or Minnesota fall into the lottery.

Otherwise NY is locked into the four spot which gives them a 10% chance at 1 a 14% chance at 2 a 0% chance at 3 and a 76% chance at 4.

[GlennMacGrady]

Collier never played shooting guard as a UConn freshman or any other year, nor did she in high school. She was 2-13 from the arc as a UConn freshman, and was an infrequent three-point shooter in high school.

UConn's offense doesn't lend itself well to numerology, but Collier played mostly as the 5 in her soph and junior years even though she upped her three-point shooting to 22 makes in both years. Her primary area of offensive attack has always been from 16 feet to the rim.

I see her playing either the 3 or 4 in the WNBA, but unless something changes, which it could with her talent, I don't see her presenting as a consistent long ball threat.

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[zune69]

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[root_thing]

[NYL_WNBA_FAN]

Thinking about Z’s impending free agency and a few thoughts crossed my mind. First off Excelle sports (I guess Megdal) wrote an article about Z’s signing in 2016 and how she signed with NY over offers from Indy, CT and Dallas. The article said a main motivation in signing here was the chance to win a championship.

Now she’s a free agent again (assuming Megdal’s data was accurate) and we don’t know the extent of her injury but wouldn’t signing with LA make sense? They could use the speed infusion and there might be an opening at SF. Their defensive mindset would fit her game.

A trade now would have even fit. LA is a game out a two seed and she would have helped their suddenly slow and stagnant offense. Would have given her a deserved shot at a title and would have helped NY with possibly a first round pick. That would have been a win all the way around, including for Zellous, if a championship opportunity would have been a motivator compared to leaving NY and her teammates. Can’t speak to that but I’d imagine going to a championship caliber team would be an exciting opportunity.

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[root_thing]

It's not too late. The trade deadline is Monday.

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[GlennMacGrady]

[toad455]

As long as we have Charles, a PF is our least needed position. Stokes has been disappointing (again) and Vaughn is useless, so we can pray for Brown to fall to us. Maybe we make a trade with the #4 pick and someone else for the #2 pick(to Chicago). Or if Charles wants out, Charles to Chicago for the #2 pick and Parker?

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[Nixtreefan]

Look at Gabby Williams, who was more athletic then Collier, guarded the tougher post players and was able to switch, could pass and see the floor, how has it been for her

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[LibFan25]

[NYL_WNBA_FAN]

The one thing we have going for us is that any lottery position will have a player with high value...and probably about equal value unless Ionescu comes out. I think the most critical thing about the offseason (and maybe even the upcoming trade deadline) is getting something of value for our extra players. There are lots of teams that can use certain of our players if a title is their ultimate pursuit. Hartley, for instance, would give Dallas a big lift. Diggins has tired legs from the 33-35 minutes she plays every night. Not only would Hartley give you a solid backup, she'd also give a spread-the-floor option at the 2 spot off the bench for nights when Gray's shot is off.

Z would have helped LA, but she seems to be hurt badly so forget that. Sugar could help Dallas too. Possibly even LA in terms of a speed option as an occasional undersized SF. You're talking late first round picks here. If you're Dallas and you're this close to being a top 2 seed, I think they'd be willing to deal if such a move is the difference between them getting or not getting that top 2 seed. It greatly increases your likelihood of getting to the finals.

But if a trade deadline move is not available, I think the offseason still has to feature the maximization of whatever value certain of our players have. I strongly feel we need more than one player, and a post player is a necessity in that mix. I also feel we may lose Z, which really may complicate things, since I feel you need a player to kind of play that role. Like it or not, nobody else brings her creativity to the team. That's why I've been getting higher on Collier....because Z has mentioned championship aspirations as being a reason why she signed here in the first place. There's teams next year who could use her who will have legit championship aspirations next year. Collier can fill that type of role for NY. But again, creativity is the key. Collier in of herself isn't solving our problems. She could be an important piece though.

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[NYL_WNBA_FAN]

Watched some of Brown and McCowan last night. I came away impressed with both players in different ways. Watching Cambage yesterday and seeing how unstoppable she is going right, I see Brown being somewhat like that going left. Obviously Brown is at a way different stage of development but the fact that she can put it on the floor even for a dribble or two and finish with high efficiency is a good sign. Brown’s spin moves are also much quicker than McCowan’s due to better footwork. She hungers to score in a way that McCowan does not. Where Brown needs work is in going over her right shoulder and doing work on the right block. In the WNBA she’ll have to catch the ball on both sides of the paint as well as on the move. Given her relatively strong footwork, hunger and passing ability, I think she will make strides in that area as a senior. The Liberty would be worlds better with a player like this in the middle. Not only would they rebound and defend better, but she’s good in high-low sets which would make her functional with Tina immediately. She has good touch from the foul line, which would make her functional outside of the area right near the rim as well. I love her game.

McCowan is different. I don’t like her seeming lack of confidence in her offense. I read an article where she said she couldn’t believe she can do some of the stuff she does. She’s pretty athletic in tight areas. One of those quick leapers with length who just reaches over people to get rebounds. Her footwork needs improvement though. Compare her to Fowles, whose drop-step and spin moves are instantaneous in quickness and by comparison it looks like it takes her an hour. OTOH she has another year...as probably more of an offensive centerpiece...to work on it. Terrible passer too. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see her improve either. She’s a pretty immense talent. That quick leaper/length combo makes her an immediate WNBA impact player in blocked shots and rebounds. Particularly if she strengthens her upper body. Right now there’s four lottery teams who all need a shot-blocker/rebounder.

CT getting in the lottery would help us a lot. Way better chance to get one of the 2 posts. Guaranteed if somehow Ionescu comes out. I prefer Brown, but I see why McCowan’s natural talent would have teams salivating. If unlocked fully, OMG.

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[toad455]

I've never been high on McCowan. Doesn't seem to like getting physical, has poor foot work and can be quite sloppy in rebounding. IMO, she's only getting as much attention due to her height. If she was just 6-4 or 6-5, I doubt she'd be putting up the same numbers. If I'm the Liberty I'd take Brown over McCowan.

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[NYL_WNBA_FAN]

No question. I think those things are true. I’d say her height along with the timing of her jump. She rebounds over 6’4” players like they aren’t even there. But she makes it look too easy at times. Definitely needs to improve the physical play. But she’s also gotta get in the weight room. Watching Shepherd on ND play against her, McCowan was a little too easy to move.

OTOH when there’s so much talent present, sometimes these other things can be developed.

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