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scrappy
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Posted: 09/08/17 1:17 pm ::: WNBA 2018 |
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with teams already have their 2018 threads. it's only fair to have a 2018 for the league.
-first thing first, get rid of the one-game playoff series. this is not 1996 year of the one-game playoff.
-stop making stupid decision and fire all those who made these decisions.
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Randy
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Posted: 09/08/17 1:21 pm ::: |
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I think game scheduling needs to be improved. I don't know how it is with other teams but the Dream usually disappear for 3 - 4 weeks (maybe one home game) and then we have a bunch together for 3-4 weeks. Would be better if we could have a roughly equal number of home games each month. Also we tend to play the same teams in bunches. We had 3 Sky games the first part of the season and 3 Lynx games the last part of the season, for ex. Kind of sucks to see the same team only a few weeks apart.
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pilight
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Posted: 09/08/17 1:22 pm ::: |
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They actually had one game playoffs in the first round in 1999, when the league had 12 teams. Of course they only took six teams to the playoffs then...
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Rock Hard
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Posted: 09/08/17 1:29 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
They actually had one game playoffs in the first round in 1999, when the league had 12 teams. Of course they only took six teams to the playoffs then... |
Maybe that's the solution, Pilight. The league needs to go to a six team playoff format. The first round is a three game series.
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Hawkeye
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Posted: 09/08/17 1:48 pm ::: |
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I'm fine with 8 going, but just stop with the gimicky one game playoffs and idiotic double byes. Eight teams, put em in the brackets and play.
I would LOVE to see each round a best of 7, but wishful thinking, I know.
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Spark4Life
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Posted: 09/08/17 2:09 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
They actually had one game playoffs in the first round in 1999, when the league had 12 teams. Of course they only took six teams to the playoffs then... |
That produced one of my favorite games ever. Narchs at Sparks. They were up huge at the half, then Lisa and the gang destroyed their hopes and dreams in the second half. 😍😘💪👊
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PUmatty
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Posted: 09/08/17 2:14 pm ::: |
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Cut the foul limit from 6 to 5.
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Randy
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Posted: 09/08/17 2:36 pm ::: |
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The one and done isn't going away unless they drop down from 8. The Mercury, Lynx, and Liberty are all playing in alternate arena - and these are the teams that fill up the seats during the regular season. So teams don't want to lock up arena dates for the possible playoff game or games. The marginal teams have such poor playoff numbers (even worse than regular season) that the owners simply don't want to lose money on another game. WNBA ticket sales and fan base are built for regular seasons not playoffs when you don't even know when or where you might play until a few days ahead of time.
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toad455
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Posted: 09/08/17 2:37 pm ::: |
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I'm curious how early they'll start the 2018 season with the World Championships in late September.
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justintyme
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Posted: 09/08/17 2:46 pm ::: |
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Randy wrote: |
The one and done isn't going away unless they drop down from 8. The Mercury, Lynx, and Liberty are all playing in alternate arena - and these are the teams that fill up the seats during the regular season. So teams don't want to lock up arena dates for the possible playoff game or games. The marginal teams have such poor playoff numbers (even worse than regular season) that the owners simply don't want to lose money on another game. WNBA ticket sales and fan base are built for regular seasons not playoffs when you don't even know when or where you might play until a few days ahead of time. |
That's it exactly. We can complain all we want about the 1 and dones, but the reason we have them in the first place is because people were wanting the semis to be best of 5 along with the finals.
The only way to get rid of the 1 and dones while maintaining the best of fives would be to go to 6 team playoffs. Then the top two teams could have just one bye and the other 4 teams play each other in a best of 3.
Remember, all of the changes were done so as to try and create the best finals possible. And with a 1 season sample size, this format worked. Last years finals were the best ever.
But for those who want 8 teams and to get rid of the one and dones, what is your solution? What are you willing to get rid of to make it happen?
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justintyme
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Posted: 09/08/17 2:49 pm ::: |
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Cut the foul limit from 6 to 5. |
In theory I like this idea. But.
The refs need to change how they call games then. They need to up the threshold for what constitutes a foul. There are some games this year that were called so tight that it would have been the benches playing each other by the end. 6 fouls gives some leeway for bad calls and poor officiating, 5 fouls would cause the refs to have even more impact upon the game.
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Queenie
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Posted: 09/08/17 3:09 pm ::: |
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Rock Hard wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
They actually had one game playoffs in the first round in 1999, when the league had 12 teams. Of course they only took six teams to the playoffs then... |
Maybe that's the solution, Pilight. The league needs to go to a six team playoff format. The first round is a three game series. |
I like this. Right now, we have the absurdity of it being harder to miss the playoffs than to make them, which means that our first round included two teams under .500.
Give the top two a single bye. 3 plays 6, 4 plays 5. If a three-game series in the first round is too much to ask, borrow from the European system and have a home-and-home set (not sure if using aggregate score as the first or second factor would be better).
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pilight
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Posted: 09/08/17 3:13 pm ::: |
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Rock Hard wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
They actually had one game playoffs in the first round in 1999, when the league had 12 teams. Of course they only took six teams to the playoffs then... |
Maybe that's the solution, Pilight. The league needs to go to a six team playoff format. The first round is a three game series. |
I suggested that almost immediately after they announced the new format
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Richyyy
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Posted: 09/08/17 3:49 pm ::: |
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Queenie wrote: |
Rock Hard wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
They actually had one game playoffs in the first round in 1999, when the league had 12 teams. Of course they only took six teams to the playoffs then... |
Maybe that's the solution, Pilight. The league needs to go to a six team playoff format. The first round is a three game series. |
I like this. Right now, we have the absurdity of it being harder to miss the playoffs than to make them, which means that our first round included two teams under .500.
Give the top two a single bye. 3 plays 6, 4 plays 5. If a three-game series in the first round is too much to ask, borrow from the European system and have a home-and-home set (not sure if using aggregate score as the first or second factor would be better). |
Please don't go to two-legged aggregate matchups. Speaking as a European, you haven't known basketball absurdity until you've been sat there at the end of a first-leg when it ends in a tie, with no one knowing whether they're supposed to play overtime or not (you're not, by the way).
I've been saying for years that it was ridiculous that two-thirds of the league made the playoffs, but I still think that if they were going to change that they would've done it already. The owners clearly seem to want everyone to be in 'playoff contention' for as long as possible. That's part of where the one-game playoffs become a compromise - you get rid of these shitty teams who shouldn't have been there in the first place as quickly as possible.
I don't actually mind the one-game playoffs in the first round. A one-off loss eliminating teams 5-8 doesn't seem all that unfair to me. But I don't like that 3 and 4 can be out in one game. That's why I keep bringing up the modified double-elimination concept. |
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scrappy
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Shades
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Posted: 09/08/17 5:49 pm ::: |
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No matter what you do to the playoffs, somebody is not going to be happy. Not enough playoff teams, too many playoff teams. Not enough lottery teams, too many lottery teams. My team lost a one game series, I want a three game series. My team lost a three game series, I want a 5 game series. My team lost a 5 game series, now a want a 7 game series.
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Randy
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Posted: 09/08/17 6:23 pm ::: |
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Exactly right. One and done is how everything is decided in the NFL and tne NCAA tournament. Nobody seems to complain that's a bad system or that it's unfair.
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Posted: 09/08/17 6:28 pm ::: |
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I'm good with the current playoff format - at least until fans actually start watching the games, be that in person or on tv.
My only issue is timing. The elimination rounds should be closer together. Part of the advantage of finishing 3rd/4th should be that your opponent is a little fatigued from their previous game. Right now this 4 day spacing means that they're well rested and well tuned. I think it should be a 2 or 3 day break. That would also help the 1st/2nd teams, who right now are sitting around getting stale while they wait.
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lynxmania
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Posted: 09/08/17 9:19 pm ::: |
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The playoff system isn't changing unless ESPN wants it to change.
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justintyme
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Richyyy
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Posted: 09/08/17 11:39 pm ::: |
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justintyme wrote: |
scrappy wrote: |
justintyme wrote: |
Remember, all of the changes were done so as to try and create the best finals possible. And with a 1 season sample size, this format worked. Last years finals were the best ever.
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how did the one and done result in that best final ever?! did those two final teams upset all the way to the final as they were the 7th and 8th seed? come on, next thing you're gonna say this year's final is the result of the solar eclipse. |
By switching to one and dones they were able to add games to the semis. And the longer a series, the more likely the better team (not necessarily the better record) will win out. |
Although it also helped lead to thoroughly one-sided semis (because the overmatched Mercury upset the Liberty in the second round). They may want the best teams in the Finals, but they also want the best teams in the semis, when there are also (relatively speaking) lots of eyes on the league. You don't particularly want the Finals preceded by a series of barely watchable blowouts every year. |
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justintyme
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tfan
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Posted: 09/09/17 3:14 am ::: |
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justintyme wrote: |
PUmatty wrote: |
Cut the foul limit from 6 to 5. |
In theory I like this idea. But.
The refs need to change how they call games then. They need to up the threshold for what constitutes a foul. There are some games this year that were called so tight that it would have been the benches playing each other by the end. 6 fouls gives some leeway for bad calls and poor officiating, 5 fouls would cause the refs to have even more impact upon the game. |
The same players managed not to foul out frequently in college with 5 fouls per game. And I haven't heard of them frequently fouling out in their 5 foul European play. With regard to the WNBA being a much more "physical" league, when confronted by the lament of the play-by-play announcer that "there was nothing you could do about the physicality inside", Geno Auriemma matter-of-factly said "just call the foul. They'll adjust".
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