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Who will win this game?
Storm
31%
 31%  [ 5 ]
Mystics
68%
 68%  [ 11 ]
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PostPosted: 08/08/18 9:41 am    ::: Storm @ Mystics - 8/09/18 Reply Reply with quote

Washington, DC - 11:30 AM ET
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PostPosted: 08/08/18 10:05 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This is our second start time this week in the 8:00am (PT) hour, and, if I'm remembering correctly, our fourth camp day this summer (at home vs LA, at CHI, at NY, and at WA).


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PostPosted: 08/08/18 10:09 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Seattle should be a little more acclimated to this one, since they’re still on that long east coast road trip. Still could be factor in this battle of the top teams.



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threefrom60 wrote:
This is our second start time this week in the 8:00am (PT) hour, and, if I'm remembering correctly, our fourth camp day this summer (at home vs LA, at CHI, at NY, and at WA).


The Storm after playing the Fever in Indiana are probably already in Wash, DC while the Mystics are still in the air from Phoenix.


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threefrom60 wrote:
This is our second start time this week in the 8:00am (PT) hour, and, if I'm remembering correctly, our fourth camp day this summer (at home vs LA, at CHI, at NY, and at WA).


The Storm after playing the Fever in Indiana are probably already in Wash, DC while the Mystics are still in the air from Phoenix.


Mystics flying back from the west - they better hope karma isn't in an ugly mood.



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PostPosted: 08/09/18 9:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I am a little surprised at the voting


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I am a little surprised at the voting


My policy is to vote for the home team with two exceptions. I always vote for the Dream and I always vote against the Sparks.



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I am a little surprised at the voting

I know it's shocking that 5 people think Delle Donne could lose in a home game, but in fairness Stewie and the Storm are playing pretty well lately, and Seattle fans are some pretty big homers!



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PostPosted: 08/09/18 10:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Luuuc wrote:
UofDel_Alum wrote:
I am a little surprised at the voting

I know it's shocking that 5 people think Delle Donne could lose in a home game, but in fairness Stewie and the Storm are playing pretty well lately, and Seattle fans are some pretty big homers!


Yeah, that's crazy! The Mystics have only lost 5 games at home!

The Storm's road record is better than anyone's home record. Smile


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PostPosted: 08/09/18 10:49 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The Storm's defense looks very good, but they are going to have to stop EDD and Toliver. They are starting off with some very hot shooting.


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PostPosted: 08/09/18 10:49 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

But seriously, I expect a tough game. Mystics are good, and if the Storm are going to run out of gas, today's the day.


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PostPosted: 08/09/18 11:01 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

We looked sleepy on defense in previous games. Looks like it we will not get away with it against the Mystics today



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PostPosted: 08/09/18 11:10 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Washington's offense, are you kidding me!


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Seems pretty fair to have a Pacific team play two camp day games at 8 am and 8:30 am its time in the same week. DC had a rough trip back to DC from Phoenix as well, so it's not so easy for them either. But I think this is a harder trip on the team from the Pacific time zone. How much strain do we expect is proper to put on players' bodies just because the WNBA is considered a second-class league from an economic perspective? You can't draw blood from a stone.

The WNBA wants it all. You want camp day games? Ok. You want no games on Mondays? Ok. You want mainly weekend games in a clustered schedule? Ok. You want teams to regularly travel 3 time zones in less than 48 hours? Ok. But sooner or later that's going to come with a price. Teams shouldn't be traveling 3 time zones and playing camp day games, especially west to east, which has proven in the NFL statistically to be an unfair disadvantage for years. DC's trip isn't favorable either. There's got to be a way to schedule these so that at least you're not asking for the blatantly ridiculous. I foresee this CBA as being particularly contentious. Ultimately I'm sure players will give in to an extent. You have star players in some cases playing for 45-60k. They play more for pride than money and that won't change. But by the same token the price they're paying physically in exchange for pride may not be worth it.



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PostPosted: 08/09/18 11:22 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

EDD is pretty unstoppable. Like a bigger Stewie.


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PostPosted: 08/09/18 11:24 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Michelle89 wrote:
We looked sleepy on defense in previous games. Looks like it we will not get away with it against the Mystics today


A hot-shooting team can make any defense look bad. We do it a lot.


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PostPosted: 08/09/18 11:26 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

craigmont wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
We looked sleepy on defense in previous games. Looks like it we will not get away with it against the Mystics today


A hot-shooting team can make any defense look bad. We do it a lot.


We are not getting the fifty fifty balls. The loose ones. Thats all about effort.



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Sami hit a 3pointer but its not in the boxscore or play by play. How can that be??



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PostPosted: 08/09/18 11:31 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Apart from the early body time start of camp day games for teams that have traveled from the West, I’ve always thought these games were unfair to season ticket holders, as many simply can’t leave work in the middle of the morning to go to a BBall game. It was bad enough when there was only one camp day home game in a season, but now there are two. I think the tix for those games should be optional opt-in for STHs.


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PostPosted: 08/09/18 11:34 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Sami hit a 3pointer but its not in the boxscore or play by play. How can that be??


Looks like the box score is messed up for some reason. Probably too early.

Any chance they reviewed it for shot clock violation?



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Shades wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
Sami hit a 3pointer but its not in the boxscore or play by play. How can that be??


Looks like the box score is messed up for some reason. Probably too early.

Any chance they reviewed it for shot clock violation?


Weird. It is messed up. 57-40 on TV. Looks like they're fixing it.


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PostPosted: 08/09/18 11:47 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Washington shooting 63%, moving the ball very well.


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Towel. Throw it in.


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I’d rather get a loss now then late. I suppose it was too much to as for a perfect road trip.



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You can lose but this is embarrassing



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Some days you just run into a buzzsaw.


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craigmont wrote:
Some days you just run into a buzzsaw.


Storm really don’t like that 8am start... Laughing



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PostPosted: 08/09/18 11:58 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So what happened?

I think the Mystics did a great job of closing off the 3-point line and had EDD to defend the paint.


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RUSSELL! Shocked

SEA on 11-0 run with deep bench.



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EDD saying Stewie Who ?



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EDD saying Stewie Who ?


Stewie is still sleeping.



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Good to see Sami playing well in back to back games. Hopefully Dan gives her more minutes in the last stretch of games and in the playoffs. She keeps the oppossing defense honest



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Loving what im seeing from Russell this game.



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Dan Hughes has done a fantastic job as Head Coach.My only disappointment is that he demoted Paris to 4th string mop-up duty after Langhorne returned from injury.I understand Langhorne has more mobility than Paris,and can knock down an occasional jump shot.However,earlier in the season Paris along with KML,Canade,and Whitcomb was giving Seattle solid production off the bench.Now she's not even a factor.Might as well give Russell Paris' minutes since she has more size and upside...I'm also upset about KML lack of playing time.Lewis had a stretch earlier this season where she scored 8 or more points in 7 out of 10 games.One of the keys to Atlanta and Connecticut's success has been their depth...Seattle's lack of depth could come back to bite them in the playoffs.


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Way To Go Mystics Very Happy

LaToya Sanders 17 Pts, 12 Rbs, 4 Ast. Comeback Player Of The Year


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Dan Hughes has done a fantastic job as Head Coach.My only disappointment is that he demoted Paris to 4th string mop-up duty after Langhorne returned from injury.I understand Langhorne has more mobility than Paris,and can knock down an occasional jump shot.However,earlier in the season Paris along with KML,Canade,and Whitcomb was giving Seattle solid production off the bench.Now she's not even a factor.Might as well give Russell Paris' minutes since she has more size and upside...I'm also upset about KML lack of playing time.Lewis had a stretch earlier this season where she scored 8 or more points in 7 out of 10 games.One of the keys to Atlanta and Connecticut's success has been their depth...Seattle's lack of depth could come back to bite them in the playoffs.


Paris has gotten more minutes in the 2nd half of the season then the first. Also he plays Paris and Langhorne together at first. If that goes well then he leaves it like that if not then he puts Stewie or Howard back with 1 of them.

Langhorne: 13,1 min per game
Paris: 10,6 min per game

So not really a big difference. He often goes with 5 bench players at a time. Canada, Sami, KML, Langhorne and Paris. That is not a lot of offensive firepower. So when its not rolling offensively (Paris doesnt look agressive IMO) then he takes her out and puts Stewie or Howard back in to get some extra scoring.

Bench production last 5 games:
vs Mystics: 30 pts
vs Fever: 30 pts
vs Liberty: 19 pts
vs Lynx: 15 pts
vs Mercury: 24 pts

Average 23,6 pts from our bench. That is not bad IMO. It has been so much worse in the last few years. Does anyone which team has the best bench production and how much is it?



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UofDel_Alum wrote:
I am a little surprised at the voting


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pilight wrote:
UofDel_Alum wrote:
I am a little surprised at the voting


The RebKellians are right, as usual


LOL!!!


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Way To Go Mystics Very Happy

LaToya Sanders 17 Pts, 12 Rbs, 4 Ast. Comeback Player Of The Year


I’ve definitely been surprised at how good Sanders has been this season.


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mavcarter wrote:
SportsGuru wrote:
Way To Go Mystics Very Happy

LaToya Sanders 17 Pts, 12 Rbs, 4 Ast. Comeback Player Of The Year


I’ve definitely been surprised at how good Sanders has been this season.


Oh my gosh, I so much agree. In the third period she made some key baskets. I also love the way Adkins is playing. She is helping the team in small ways, she is making some key passes and steals. She is going to get better and better.


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Michelle89 wrote:

Langhorne: 13,1 min per game
Paris: 10,6 min per game


Last 12 games Paris is avg 7.2 mpg...and hasn't been all that effective.

Michelle89 wrote:
Also he plays Paris and Langhorne together at first

He often goes with 5 bench players at a time. Canada, Sami, KML, Langhorne and Paris


Langhorne/Paris are a terrible defensive combination IMO...Courtney was more effective playing alongside Stewart,Howard,and even Russell earlier this season......I'm of the opinion that Paris should play all of her minutes with Stewart or Howard....The same goes for Langhorne...If Hughes must have two bench post players on the court at the same time.Then that post combination should be Langhorne/Russell.

In the last 10 games,the production from Paris/KML is significantly down from where it was earlier this season.Whitcomb has scored 24 points over the last 3 games,but all 3 games were blowouts...In Whitcomb's prior 12 games she scored a total of 21 points(1.6 ppg)

I'm not saying KML,Paris or Whitcomb should be playing 20 mpg...Just that Hughes needs to do a better job of giving them consistent minutes with a quality lineup....If Paris is only going to play 7-10 minutes,let her play those minutes with Bird and Stewart or Howard.


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The objective isn't to 'get the best production from Courtney Paris.' It may be to rest different starters or a defensive/rebounding assignment.

She's done a good job and provided useful minutes.


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The objective isn't to 'get the best production from Courtney Paris.' It may be to rest different starters or a defensive/rebounding assignment.

She's done a good job and provided useful minutes.


The bench production from multiple players has fallen off,not just Paris....Seattle will need that production if Howard or Clark have an off night or are in foul trouble during the playoffs....And it's not just about production.The Langhorne/Paris combination is a liability on defense.




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zune69 wrote:
craigmont wrote:
The objective isn't to 'get the best production from Courtney Paris.' It may be to rest different starters or a defensive/rebounding assignment.

She's done a good job and provided useful minutes.


The bench production from multiple players has fallen off,not just Paris....Seattle will need that production if Howard or Clark have an off night or are in foul trouble during the playoffs.


Very impressed with the way Howard played today.


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craigmont wrote:
The objective isn't to 'get the best production from Courtney Paris.' It may be to rest different starters or a defensive/rebounding assignment.

She's done a good job and provided useful minutes.


The bench production from multiple players has fallen off,not just Paris....Seattle will need that production if Howard or Clark have an off night or are in foul trouble during the playoffs.


Very impressed with the way Howard played today.


Howard's been great,especially on defense.But she is very foul prone(4 fouls in 13 minutes vs Wash).....Howard leads the league in fouls....This is why it is very important to have the bench post players playing well heading into the playoffs.


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4th game in 7 days, 3 on the road for the Storm, Sunday's will be 5 games in 10 days, 4 on the road


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I am a little surprised at the voting


I voted against my team. I saw this game as a potential loss all along.


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Langhorne: 13,1 min per game
Paris: 10,6 min per game


Last 12 games Paris is avg 7.2 mpg...and hasn't been all that effective.

Michelle89 wrote:
Also he plays Paris and Langhorne together at first

He often goes with 5 bench players at a time. Canada, Sami, KML, Langhorne and Paris


Langhorne/Paris are a terrible defensive combination IMO...Courtney was more effective playing alongside Stewart,Howard,and even Russell earlier this season......I'm of the opinion that Paris should play all of her minutes with Stewart or Howard....The same goes for Langhorne...If Hughes must have two bench post players on the court at the same time.Then that post combination should be Langhorne/Russell.

In the last 10 games,the production from Paris/KML is significantly down from where it was earlier this season.Whitcomb has scored 24 points over the last 3 games,but all 3 games were blowouts...In Whitcomb's prior 12 games she scored a total of 21 points(1.6 ppg)

I'm not saying KML,Paris or Whitcomb should be playing 20 mpg...Just that Hughes needs to do a better job of giving them consistent minutes with a quality lineup....If Paris is only going to play 7-10 minutes,let her play those minutes with Bird and Stewart or Howard.


Playing Paris all her minutes with Stewie or Howard will be hard to do because Howard often gets subbed for Langhorne as the first post because of her foul trouble and Stewie gets her first rest at around 2 min left (Loyd has been the last starter subbed lately) in the 1st quarter. While Bird and Clark are subbed first most of the time. You dont want Hughes to run Stewie in the ground before the playoffs.

If he wants to play Paris and Stewie together then when Howard gets in foul trouble he needs to sub in Paris first (instead of Langhorne) and Stewie needs to play the first 15 minutes of the game before getting her first rest. I doubt this is going to happen because you dont change your rotaton late in the season and certainly not when you have been successfull.

Also our 2nd line-up is pretty bad defensively. Paris, Langhorne and KML are pretty bad. Paris is horrible in pick & roll defense and bad in 1 on 1 (she fouls a lot) Langhorne and KML are bad in 1 on 1 defense. Sami tries hard but lacks the foot speed. So Canada is the only good defender and she is just a rookie so makes rookie mistakes.



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