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PostPosted: 09/07/17 5:55 am    ::: Seattle Storm 2018 Reply Reply with quote

Notice this hadn't been opened up so well...my 5 Qs then Ill let the storm crazies take over...

Take Interim Tag off Klopp or start fresh?

What to do to get Stewie more scoring touches?

Langhorne: Help or hinder? How much value in trading and going more utilitarian at 5 to free up Stewie to become more positionless.

Final Flight for Bird? When is it and how do you prepare?

What/Who will it take to get this team to perform as dynamically on hardwood as it does on paper?

This team has the potential to ascend to the Lynx Sparks level sooner than later (and that's with assuming a replacement for Bird when she decides to retire) but this year was a disappointment. What needs to be fixed to get this team running on all 8 Cyllanders?



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PostPosted: 09/07/17 6:21 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

What's the assessment from the more hardcore followers of the team about Carolyn Swords?

I'm a fan of hers and want to know if she'll be back with the team next year.
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I think Swords will be better off heading to another team that knows how to use her abilities.



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PostPosted: 09/07/17 7:29 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

My guess is that Klop goes. He got them into the playoffs but barely, followed by a quick exit. I can't figure out why this team isn't better, and I won't even try.


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PostPosted: 09/07/17 9:04 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Eric Thibault ?...K.Smith ?...C.Ross ?...Brian Winters ?...K.Lawson ?...B.Hammon ?


Trade the #5 pick for Coates ?...draft Deshields,Canada,or Russell with the #5 pick ?...trade Langhorne to phoenix for the #8 pick,then draft Nared,Billings,or Brown...trade Langhorne & KML to SA for Alexander & Coffey.


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PostPosted: 09/07/17 9:09 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Seattle needs to build around Stewart and Lloyd. Find a pg to eventually replace Sue Bird as well. Keep Whitcomb. Not sure why Toga did not play much but I like her as a backup for Stewart. Everyone else is I would say to find a trade partner for. Keep Klop for another season or two to see how things go.


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PostPosted: 09/07/17 9:32 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Lloyd and DD on the same team would be entertaining but not for the sake of basketball.


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PostPosted: 09/07/17 11:13 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

They need Sylvia Fowles. Laughing Really though, a true solid center to hold down the middle...of course those don't grow on trees or I'd be selling them.

And as good as Loyd can be, there are times when she totally disappears - reminds me of Sugar Rodgers. All players have ups and downs but when the downs are so deep, it's hard to depend on them as your franchise player.

The obvious: need a PG for the post Sue Bird era.

I think they are entering that no man's land of being just good enough to not be in the lottery but not really complete enough to be really good. They probably would have been better off letting Boucek complete that downward spiral they were on and at least get them into the lottery.



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PostPosted: 09/07/17 11:58 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The Storm has 2 very good players in Stewart and Loyd, but not much else, they would have been better off missing the playoffs and getting a top 4 pick, then they could have had a chance at a player like Mitchell.
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PostPosted: 09/07/17 5:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
The Storm has 2 very good players in Stewart and Loyd, but not much else, they would have been better off missing the playoffs and getting a top 4 pick, then they could have had a chance at a player like Mitchell.


#5 pick isn't good enough?



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PostPosted: 09/07/17 5:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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And as good as Loyd can be, there are times when she totally disappears - reminds me of Sugar Rodgers. All players have ups and downs but when the downs are so deep, it's hard to depend on them as your franchise player.


Yes, she does, but she hasn't been the only one. I've commented in game threads before that Seattle never seems to get a good game from all of the big 3. One of them is always MIA. Sometimes two are. Good example was last week's loss to Phoenix. Loyd goes 12-22 and scores 33 pts, and they waste that performance and lose with Stewart going 3-9 and Bird going 3-10. A couple days later they lose to the Mystics with Bird and Loyd both scoring 19 (5-9 and 6-13) but Stewart going 4-14. Week before they lost to Atlanta with Stewart and Bird ( and Langhorne) playing well and Loyd laying a 4-12 8 pt egg.

If they could get all three playing well consistently, they'd be really dangerous. But someone always seems to be asleep.

And they badly need a bona fide competent center who isn't shorter than most of the forwards. Depending on how she plays this year, I think Russell would be a good target for the draft for them.


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PostPosted: 09/07/17 10:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

2nd straight year they shoot themselves out the 1st round of the playoffs. They really another offensive threat preferably at SF or PF. Maybe take a look at Russell or Ariel Atkins with #5. Mitchell and Lloyd would not be a good combo with Stewie needing more shots.



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PostPosted: 09/08/17 2:00 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
myrtle wrote:


And as good as Loyd can be, there are times when she totally disappears - reminds me of Sugar Rodgers. All players have ups and downs but when the downs are so deep, it's hard to depend on them as your franchise player.


Yes, she does, but she hasn't been the only one. I've commented in game threads before that Seattle never seems to get a good game from all of the big 3. One of them is always MIA. Sometimes two are. Good example was last week's loss to Phoenix. Loyd goes 12-22 and scores 33 pts, and they waste that performance and lose with Stewart going 3-9 and Bird going 3-10. A couple days later they lose to the Mystics with Bird and Loyd both scoring 19 (5-9 and 6-13) but Stewart going 4-14. Week before they lost to Atlanta with Stewart and Bird ( and Langhorne) playing well and Loyd laying a 4-12 8 pt egg.

If they could get all three playing well consistently, they'd be really dangerous. But someone always seems to be asleep.

And they badly need a bona fide competent center who isn't shorter than most of the forwards. Depending on how she plays this year, I think Russell would be a good target for the draft for them.


I get what your saying but if the Storm had a decent bench then 2 of the 3 stars playing well should be enough to win the game. For example the Mercury win games with only Griner going off and Taurasi having a not so great game. They get points from their bench and that is the difference.

And yes we need a solid 6'3 or taller center who is a decent defender to take the pressure of Stewart in the post and fix our defense. If you cant trade Langhorne for someone decent then let her come off the bench and fix that bench scoring problem or atleast part of it.

Both Swords and Tokashiki where HORRIBLE THIS SEASON. So everytime we subbed either Stewart or Langhorne we took a huge step down.

Also im looking for Stewart to take that next step. She broke LJ's record of most 20+ pt games in the season which is fantastic but now im looking for her to be that closer and really win them tight games. Become unstoppable.
Taurasi said it best in an interview before their playoff game. Stewart is scary. She averages 20 pts per game already with just floating around. Wait till she really figures it out and takes over. I want her to take over and i want her to demand the ball and really be that clear number 1 option.



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PostPosted: 09/08/17 9:59 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Taurasi said it best in an interview before their playoff game. Stewart is scary. She averages 20 pts per game already with just floating around. Wait till she really figures it out and takes over.


I don't think it's about Stewart "figuring it out". I think Taurasi may have been taking a shot at the Seattle style of play or coaching staff.



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PostPosted: 09/08/17 10:32 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Both Swords and Tokashiki where HORRIBLE THIS SEASON. So everytime we subbed either Stewart or Langhorne we took a huge step down.



I didn't expect huge things from Swords. But I was surprised and disappointed in Tokashiki who had looked like she might really be that quality bench player or even the other starting forward, and instead completely vanished this year. That hurt.


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PostPosted: 09/08/17 11:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Tok definitely took a step back this season. In regards to Stewart, I wonder how much better she'll be under a better coach?



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She looked pretty good when Geno was coaching her.


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PostPosted: 09/08/17 1:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:


Both Swords and Tokashiki where HORRIBLE THIS SEASON. So everytime we subbed either Stewart or Langhorne we took a huge step down.



I didn't expect huge things from Swords. But I was surprised and disappointed in Tokashiki who had looked like she might really be that quality bench player or even the other starting forward, and instead completely vanished this year. That hurt.


that's because boucek didn't use her correctly, or didn't use her at all.



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Offseason plans: Storm needs a coach and to make decisions on several players

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/storm/offseason-plans-storm-needs-a-coach-and-to-make-decisions-on-several-players/

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WNBA’s oldest player who turns 37 next month, is returning to the Storm next year for her 16th season.

However, it remains to be seen if interim coach Gary Kloppenburg will be retained.


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“It’s a top priority for the organization to bring in a head coach who can take us to the next level,” general manager Alisha Valavanis said.


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Valavanis heaped praise on Kloppenburg, saying he will be a candidate for the job.


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“I felt like with an entire year and a training camp and an ability to develop a pressure defensive system and an early up-tempo offense, I think it would be an exciting challenge. We’ll see how that shakes out.”


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The Storm has four free agents, including forward Crystal Langhorne, the team’s third-leading scorer who averaged 12.4 points per game and finished second in the WNBA with a 64.7 field-goal percentage.


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“It’s different,” said Langhorne, 30, who is a free agent for the first time in her 10-year career. “I’ve never been able to make my decision. … But I like Seattle.”


So they must mean she is no longer corable. Pilight, what does your data say?
She's obviously been a RFA and UFA before, so their wording is confusing here.

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The free-agency period begins Jan. 15 and the Storm will need to make decisions on backup guards Noelle Quinn and Sami Whitcomb, who are both free agents and expressed a desire to return.

Center Carolyn Swords is also a free agent whose future in Seattle is cloudy after she averaged career lows in scoring (2.6) and rebounding (1.5) following a three-team trade in which the Storm essentially gave away the No. 6 overall pick in the 2017 WNBA draft.


Percy is not mixing words.

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Bird added: “There’s a certain level of grit that teams need that we didn’t necessarily have this year.”


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“And then of course, there’s some question marks. We have to get a coach. Obviously with free agency, things change and rosters shake up so you’ve got to see how that all figures itself out.”


That's Bird saying we have to get a coach, instead of we have our coach. Things not looking good for Klop.

"See how the free agency figures itself out" is an interesting play on words, because the GM probably won't be able to figure it out.

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One thing is certain, Bird, who signed a multiyear contract extension in 2016, plans to retire with the Storm.


You know what they say about the best laid plans.



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PostPosted: 09/09/17 11:34 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Does she plan on going into coaching?


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Langhorne can't have hit the 4-time core limit (I can't remember if it's two or three she's up to, but it's definitely not four considering the CBA lists everything up to 2014 and she's not on it). So she could be cored again if Seattle wanted to do it. Whitcomb obviously isn't a free agent considering she's only played one year in the WNBA. Even if she's out of contract, she'd be a reserved player assuming Seattle wanted her to be.



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PostPosted: 09/09/17 4:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
Langhorne can't have hit the 4-time core limit (I can't remember if it's two or three she's up to, but it's definitely not four considering the CBA lists everything up to 2014 and she's not on it). So she could be cored again if Seattle wanted to do it. Whitcomb obviously isn't a free agent considering she's only played one year in the WNBA. Even if she's out of contract, she'd be a reserved player assuming Seattle wanted her to be.


Storm should core her straight away



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PostPosted: 09/09/17 4:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Personally, I think Seattle's biggest problem has been coaching. Not because they have had bad coaches but they don't have a coach with the right insight to make the team cohesive. Sometimes you have to have a coach that fits the players or vice versa.

Lloyd and Stewie are both players who are good enough to make plays on their own and without a solid game plan and plays that bring the two together, that is what they will do. Seattle always seems to play disorganized.

I think the best example of this is the Lakers when Kobie and Shaq were first together. They were both extremely talented but weren't very successful until Phil Jackson was hired. Phil Jackson is an amazing coach when he has the right players for his system. Not as good when he doesn't. I am not sure Kobie and Shaq would have been as successful without him.

Getting a solid big would not hurt either. In the game the other night, Brondello was clearly heard saying, "Stewart is out. They are going small." I am sure that most teams scouted that situation and planned for it.


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Seattle shot .473 from the field. Their problem was yielding an average of ten offensive rebounds per game. Throw in that they force very few turnovers and yielded 200 FGA more than their opponents. It suggests they have to fix personnel more than they need to fix coaching. 10 offensive rebounds per game is ridiculous, and that rate stayed the same when Klop took over.



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I feel like Seattle is one capable starter away from being a winning team. Swords was supposed to be that player, but wasn't. But I think there's a tipping point for teams like the Storm, once they can get enough consistent help from their non-stars, then the stars can actually go to work properly without quite so much attention and reliance on them.



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Luuuc wrote:
I feel like Seattle is one capable starter away from being a winning team. Swords was supposed to be that player, but wasn't. But I think there's a tipping point for teams like the Storm, once they can get enough consistent help from their non-stars, then the stars can actually go to work properly without quite so much attention and reliance on them.


The question is do they get there before Bird ages out. I also think the Storm fans, owners and management have higher expectations than just being a "winning team."


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Randy wrote:
Luuuc wrote:
I feel like Seattle is one capable starter away from being a winning team. Swords was supposed to be that player, but wasn't. But I think there's a tipping point for teams like the Storm, once they can get enough consistent help from their non-stars, then the stars can actually go to work properly without quite so much attention and reliance on them.


The question is do they get there before Bird ages out. I also think the Storm fans, owners and management have higher expectations than just being a "winning team."

Agreed.
Bird playing on stops them from going backwards, but that's a big hole to fill very soon.
Re: the second point, I don't think there's a whole lot of difference right now between being a winning team and being a genuine chance to reach the finals.



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Interesting point. I'm not sure that making the finals is the same thing as being a contender for the title, but this year I would say you are right - the Mercury or Mystics could make the finals as "barely being" winning teams.


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Langhorne contract history
Rookie contract 2008-2011
Signed 4 yr deal early 2012
Traded to SEA during 2014 draft
4 yr contract expired end of 2015
2016 Cored
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It would appear there are 2 cores left.


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Shades wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:

Taurasi said it best in an interview before their playoff game. Stewart is scary. She averages 20 pts per game already with just floating around. Wait till she really figures it out and takes over.


I don't think it's about Stewart "figuring it out". I think Taurasi may have been taking a shot at the Seattle style of play or coaching staff.


Not everyone throws shade at everything. I feel pretty much the same way. Most post players take 3 years to really have the game slow down. Year 1 and 2, LJ was very good. Year 3 she was MVP.


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Pretty clear that they've informed Langhorne that they do not intend to core her this year. There's a second reason why you wouldn't core someone and that is to keep the core tag available for another player that you intend to trade for.

So according to Percy Allen FAs are her, Quinn, Whitcomb, and Swords. Whitcomb seemed to really lose her confidence after that first shooting game. I'd love to see her back for another year. I like Langhorne but only if she comes off the bench. Storm absolutely need a more physical center to let Stewart play a stretch 4. Swords and Quinn need to go elsewhere and be replaced with more athletic players to be developed. Alysha Clark can't just be a defensive specialist as a starter next year. KML needs to make fitness a priority but honestly I think there's better players available if the Storm do a proper job scouting. I can't say much on Peterson and Montgomery. Basically, I want to see them taller and faster at the 3 and 5.

My gut says that Kloppy has a leg up on the competition and that unless they find a too-good-to-pass-up candidate they will be satisfied with him. I am still not sure how much of the team makeup was due to Alisha Valavanis but if she was responsible for bringing in Swords then perhaps she is not the best choice for GM going forward.


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Seattle should see who is available on the free agent market. Use playing with Stewart, Loyd and Bird for a great fan base as the selling point. And draft wisely. If they have question marks about the top of the draft moving down and getting another asset is an interesting idea (And I'm not just saying that because I like Stokes and #10 to Seattle for #5 for NY, but it could be good for both teams, Kizer and #9 would be another move I would consider if the Sun offered it for #5).

I like Langhorn but I don't think her value is super high on the trade market. I could see LA or Minn giving up pick 11 or 12 if they want to replace one of their current bench posts with a decent versatile can compliment star talent on a chamionship run kind of player. I think Lang can give as much or more as say Pierson, Gruda or Jackson-Jones did. On the flip side if Seattle can get a decent center Langhorn off the bench would be very nice piece for The Storm to have.


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Seattle should see who is available on the free agent market. Use playing with Stewart, Loyd and Bird for a great fan base as the selling point. And draft wisely. If they have question marks about the top of the draft moving down and getting another asset is an interesting idea (And I'm not just saying that because I like Stokes and #10 to Seattle for #5 for NY, but it could be good for both teams, Kizer and #9 would be another move I would consider if the Sun offered it for #5).

I like Langhorn but I don't think her value is super high on the trade market. I could see LA or Minn giving up pick 11 or 12 if they want to replace one of their current bench posts with a decent versatile can compliment star talent on a chamionship run kind of player. I think Lang can give as much or more as say Pierson, Gruda or Jackson-Jones did. On the flip side if Seattle can get a decent center Langhorn off the bench would be very nice piece for The Storm to have.


Kizer and her back injury is a no-go for me. I'd like to know more about what happened with Stokes, too. Stewart might have played with her at UConn but she didn't crack the starting lineup for a reason.


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Nerd2 wrote:
J-Spoon wrote:
Seattle should see who is available on the free agent market. Use playing with Stewart, Loyd and Bird for a great fan base as the selling point. And draft wisely. If they have question marks about the top of the draft moving down and getting another asset is an interesting idea (And I'm not just saying that because I like Stokes and #10 to Seattle for #5 for NY, but it could be good for both teams, Kizer and #9 would be another move I would consider if the Sun offered it for #5).

I like Langhorn but I don't think her value is super high on the trade market. I could see LA or Minn giving up pick 11 or 12 if they want to replace one of their current bench posts with a decent versatile can compliment star talent on a chamionship run kind of player. I think Lang can give as much or more as say Pierson, Gruda or Jackson-Jones did. On the flip side if Seattle can get a decent center Langhorn off the bench would be very nice piece for The Storm to have.


Kizer and her back injury is a no-go for me. I'd like to know more about what happened with Stokes, too. Stewart might have played with her at UConn but she didn't crack the starting lineup for a reason.


Stokes is a good defender but doesn't score. So I think BL preferred to play Vaughn to make teams pay for double teaming Charles in the post. When Stokes got more minutes she seemed to play better.

If NY had more scoring at the SF or guard spot as we anticipated with Prince and Rodgers I would be all for keeping Stokes as I think she can actually stop or at least slow down some of the best offensive posts in the league.

I think with the scoring options in Seattle she could be a good defensive option alongside Stewart/Loyd and two headed post combo with Langhorne.


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Pretty clear that they've informed Langhorne that they do not intend to core her this year. There's a second reason why you wouldn't core someone and that is to keep the core tag available for another player that you intend to trade for.

So according to Percy Allen FAs are her, Quinn, Whitcomb, and Swords. Whitcomb seemed to really lose her confidence after that first shooting game. I'd love to see her back for another year. I like Langhorne but only if she comes off the bench. Storm absolutely need a more physical center to let Stewart play a stretch 4. Swords and Quinn need to go elsewhere and be replaced with more athletic players to be developed. Alysha Clark can't just be a defensive specialist as a starter next year. KML needs to make fitness a priority but honestly I think there's better players available if the Storm do a proper job scouting. I can't say much on Peterson and Montgomery. Basically, I want to see them taller and faster at the 3 and 5.

My gut says that Kloppy has a leg up on the competition and that unless they find a too-good-to-pass-up candidate they will be satisfied with him. I am still not sure how much of the team makeup was due to Alisha Valavanis but if she was responsible for bringing in Swords then perhaps she is not the best choice for GM going forward.

You don't need the core tag for someone from another team. They're either an unrestricted free agent you're signing on the open market, or if they've been cored by that other team then they sign the contract as part of the deal (and the tag disappears as soon as they change teams). I wouldn't be surprised if they threw it on Langhorne again.

And Whitcomb can't be a free agent, unless the Storm decide to make her one by not making the reserved qualifying offer (which would be bizarre). I'd expect her to be back, unless she gets that Aussie passport and decides she needs to stay in Australia to try to make the Worlds team (but I think Mitchell's too valuable to the Opals as the naturalised player anyway, so she probably wouldn't bother).



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I'm sure some people consider reserved players as a form of free agent, since they list them all together.



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Pretty clear that they've informed Langhorne that they do not intend to core her this year. There's a second reason why you wouldn't core someone and that is to keep the core tag available for another player that you intend to trade for.

So according to Percy Allen FAs are her, Quinn, Whitcomb, and Swords. Whitcomb seemed to really lose her confidence after that first shooting game. I'd love to see her back for another year. I like Langhorne but only if she comes off the bench. Storm absolutely need a more physical center to let Stewart play a stretch 4. Swords and Quinn need to go elsewhere and be replaced with more athletic players to be developed. Alysha Clark can't just be a defensive specialist as a starter next year. KML needs to make fitness a priority but honestly I think there's better players available if the Storm do a proper job scouting. I can't say much on Peterson and Montgomery. Basically, I want to see them taller and faster at the 3 and 5.

My gut says that Kloppy has a leg up on the competition and that unless they find a too-good-to-pass-up candidate they will be satisfied with him. I am still not sure how much of the team makeup was due to Alisha Valavanis but if she was responsible for bringing in Swords then perhaps she is not the best choice for GM going forward.

You don't need the core tag for someone from another team. They're either an unrestricted free agent you're signing on the open market, or if they've been cored by that other team then they sign the contract as part of the deal (and the tag disappears as soon as they change teams). I wouldn't be surprised if they threw it on Langhorne again.

And Whitcomb can't be a free agent, unless the Storm decide to make her one by not making the reserved qualifying offer (which would be bizarre). I'd expect her to be back, unless she gets that Aussie passport and decides she needs to stay in Australia to try to make the Worlds team (but I think Mitchell's too valuable to the Opals as the naturalised player anyway, so she probably wouldn't bother).


Hmm, CBA doesn't specifically mention what happens to the core tag so I defer to your knowledge. I was referring to Langhorne's quote in the Times article that she was a free agent for the first time in her career.

I recognize Whitcomb would be a reserved player and my statement was more about the Storm choosing to bring her back.


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PostPosted: 09/12/17 2:49 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Nerd2 wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
Nerd2 wrote:
Pretty clear that they've informed Langhorne that they do not intend to core her this year. There's a second reason why you wouldn't core someone and that is to keep the core tag available for another player that you intend to trade for.

So according to Percy Allen FAs are her, Quinn, Whitcomb, and Swords. Whitcomb seemed to really lose her confidence after that first shooting game. I'd love to see her back for another year. I like Langhorne but only if she comes off the bench. Storm absolutely need a more physical center to let Stewart play a stretch 4. Swords and Quinn need to go elsewhere and be replaced with more athletic players to be developed. Alysha Clark can't just be a defensive specialist as a starter next year. KML needs to make fitness a priority but honestly I think there's better players available if the Storm do a proper job scouting. I can't say much on Peterson and Montgomery. Basically, I want to see them taller and faster at the 3 and 5.

My gut says that Kloppy has a leg up on the competition and that unless they find a too-good-to-pass-up candidate they will be satisfied with him. I am still not sure how much of the team makeup was due to Alisha Valavanis but if she was responsible for bringing in Swords then perhaps she is not the best choice for GM going forward.

You don't need the core tag for someone from another team. They're either an unrestricted free agent you're signing on the open market, or if they've been cored by that other team then they sign the contract as part of the deal (and the tag disappears as soon as they change teams). I wouldn't be surprised if they threw it on Langhorne again.

And Whitcomb can't be a free agent, unless the Storm decide to make her one by not making the reserved qualifying offer (which would be bizarre). I'd expect her to be back, unless she gets that Aussie passport and decides she needs to stay in Australia to try to make the Worlds team (but I think Mitchell's too valuable to the Opals as the naturalised player anyway, so she probably wouldn't bother).


Hmm, CBA doesn't specifically mention what happens to the core tag so I defer to your knowledge. I was referring to Langhorne's quote in the Times article that she was a free agent for the first time in her career.

I recognize Whitcomb would be a reserved player and my statement was more about the Storm choosing to bring her back.


Do you think the Storm are going to core Swords and then trade her so get atleast some value for her if she is indeed a FA



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PostPosted: 09/12/17 3:04 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Michelle89 wrote:
Nerd2 wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
Nerd2 wrote:
Pretty clear that they've informed Langhorne that they do not intend to core her this year. There's a second reason why you wouldn't core someone and that is to keep the core tag available for another player that you intend to trade for.

So according to Percy Allen FAs are her, Quinn, Whitcomb, and Swords. Whitcomb seemed to really lose her confidence after that first shooting game. I'd love to see her back for another year. I like Langhorne but only if she comes off the bench. Storm absolutely need a more physical center to let Stewart play a stretch 4. Swords and Quinn need to go elsewhere and be replaced with more athletic players to be developed. Alysha Clark can't just be a defensive specialist as a starter next year. KML needs to make fitness a priority but honestly I think there's better players available if the Storm do a proper job scouting. I can't say much on Peterson and Montgomery. Basically, I want to see them taller and faster at the 3 and 5.

My gut says that Kloppy has a leg up on the competition and that unless they find a too-good-to-pass-up candidate they will be satisfied with him. I am still not sure how much of the team makeup was due to Alisha Valavanis but if she was responsible for bringing in Swords then perhaps she is not the best choice for GM going forward.

You don't need the core tag for someone from another team. They're either an unrestricted free agent you're signing on the open market, or if they've been cored by that other team then they sign the contract as part of the deal (and the tag disappears as soon as they change teams). I wouldn't be surprised if they threw it on Langhorne again.

And Whitcomb can't be a free agent, unless the Storm decide to make her one by not making the reserved qualifying offer (which would be bizarre). I'd expect her to be back, unless she gets that Aussie passport and decides she needs to stay in Australia to try to make the Worlds team (but I think Mitchell's too valuable to the Opals as the naturalised player anyway, so she probably wouldn't bother).


Hmm, CBA doesn't specifically mention what happens to the core tag so I defer to your knowledge. I was referring to Langhorne's quote in the Times article that she was a free agent for the first time in her career.

I recognize Whitcomb would be a reserved player and my statement was more about the Storm choosing to bring her back.


Do you think the Storm are going to core Swords and then trade her so get atleast some value for her if she is indeed a FA


I sure hope not. That would attach a max contract to her which is a huge over-pay.


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PostPosted: 09/12/17 5:59 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think they let Swords go and pick-up a different post. Swords clearly wasn't working in Seattle and would be better off heading somewhere else.



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PostPosted: 09/12/17 7:49 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Michelle89 wrote:

Do you think the Storm are going to core Swords and then trade her so get atleast some value for her if she is indeed a FA


That would be a move similar to a one Miller pulled off with Little. I thought he'd be stuck giving Little a max+ contract, and BAMM, he found a sucker in Jim Pitman. He risked losing JThomas by not not coring her. So was Miller good, or was he lucky?

This would be a similar situation in Seattle, with Langhorne being the much more desired player being left uncored in order to attempt to core and trade Swords. How come I get the feeling that Seattle wouldn't be so lucky? If they are stupid enough to leave Langhorne available, any number of teams should be on the phone with her come January, including Minnesota. I realize in order for Minnesota to make it happen, they'd probably have to go 11 again, losing Zandi (hasn't shown much yet and probably won't) and losing Perkins to a cheaper salary (Kia Nurse?), but it might be worth it for them.



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Shades wrote:
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Do you think the Storm are going to core Swords and then trade her so get atleast some value for her if she is indeed a FA


That would be a move similar to a one Miller pulled off with Little. I thought he'd be stuck giving Little a max+ contract, and BAMM, he found a sucker in Jim Pitman. He risked losing JThomas by not not coring her. So was Miller good, or was he lucky?

This would be a similar situation in Seattle, with Langhorne being the much more desired player being left uncored in order to attempt to core and trade Swords. How come I get the feeling that Seattle wouldn't be so lucky? If they are stupid enough to leave Langhorne available, any number of teams should be on the phone with her come January, including Minnesota. I realize in order for Minnesota to make it happen, they'd probably have to go 11 again, losing Zandi (hasn't shown much yet and probably won't) and losing Perkins to a cheaper salary (Kia Nurse?), but it might be worth it for them.


To core Swords, you would have to give her a max contract. I know WNBA contracts are screwy, but surely no GM is making a trade for a maxed out Carolyn Swords.


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Shades wrote:
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Do you think the Storm are going to core Swords and then trade her so get atleast some value for her if she is indeed a FA


That would be a move similar to a one Miller pulled off with Little. I thought he'd be stuck giving Little a max+ contract, and BAMM, he found a sucker in Jim Pitman. He risked losing JThomas by not not coring her. So was Miller good, or was he lucky?

This would be a similar situation in Seattle, with Langhorne being the much more desired player being left uncored in order to attempt to core and trade Swords. How come I get the feeling that Seattle wouldn't be so lucky? If they are stupid enough to leave Langhorne available, any number of teams should be on the phone with her come January, including Minnesota. I realize in order for Minnesota to make it happen, they'd probably have to go 11 again, losing Zandi (hasn't shown much yet and probably won't) and losing Perkins to a cheaper salary (Kia Nurse?), but it might be worth it for them.


He didn't risk losing Thomas as he knew she would re-sign and stay with the team. Coring Little suggested they already knew there was interest in her and it certainly worked in their favor. I don't know why Seattle is choosing not to core Langhorne this year but they need to move away from her so having her potentially tied to the team is probably not worth it.


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PostPosted: 09/12/17 2:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Seattle should see who is available on the free agent market. Use playing with Stewart, Loyd and Bird for a great fan base as the selling point. And draft wisely. If they have question marks about the top of the draft moving down and getting another asset is an interesting idea (And I'm not just saying that because I like Stokes and #10 to Seattle for #5 for NY, but it could be good for both teams, Kizer and #9 would be another move I would consider if the Sun offered it for #5).

I like Langhorn but I don't think her value is super high on the trade market. I could see LA or Minn giving up pick 11 or 12 if they want to replace one of their current bench posts with a decent versatile can compliment star talent on a chamionship run kind of player. I think Lang can give as much or more as say Pierson, Gruda or Jackson-Jones did. On the flip side if Seattle can get a decent center Langhorn off the bench would be very nice piece for The Storm to have.


Kizer and her back injury is a no-go for me. I'd like to know more about what happened with Stokes, too. Stewart might have played with her at UConn but she didn't crack the starting lineup for a reason.


Kizer will be a FA. She can sign anywhere. Don't think Seattle is on her radar. She has signed to play in China so pretty sure her back will be fine.


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Nerd2 wrote:
Shades wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:

Do you think the Storm are going to core Swords and then trade her so get atleast some value for her if she is indeed a FA


That would be a move similar to a one Miller pulled off with Little. I thought he'd be stuck giving Little a max+ contract, and BAMM, he found a sucker in Jim Pitman. He risked losing JThomas by not not coring her. So was Miller good, or was he lucky?

This would be a similar situation in Seattle, with Langhorne being the much more desired player being left uncored in order to attempt to core and trade Swords. How come I get the feeling that Seattle wouldn't be so lucky? If they are stupid enough to leave Langhorne available, any number of teams should be on the phone with her come January, including Minnesota. I realize in order for Minnesota to make it happen, they'd probably have to go 11 again, losing Zandi (hasn't shown much yet and probably won't) and losing Perkins to a cheaper salary (Kia Nurse?), but it might be worth it for them.


He didn't risk losing Thomas as he knew she would re-sign and stay with the team. Coring Little suggested they already knew there was interest in her and it certainly worked in their favor. I don't know why Seattle is choosing not to core Langhorne this year but they need to move away from her so having her potentially tied to the team is probably not worth it.


I dont see why we should move away from her for nothing though. Core her and let her come off the bench to provide much needed bench scoring or core her and trade her for atleast something. I think she still has some trade value. Offensively she is one of the most effective players in the league. She is shooting 64% from the field Shocked



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i would love to see stokes in SEA. if they can get stokes i think its a BIG help in the grand scheme of things.


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Why coach Dan Hughes might be exactly what the Seattle Storm need

http://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/21129828/why-coach-dan-hughes-exactly-seattle-storm-need

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"It wasn't like I was looking for an opportunity," said Hughes, who was named the Seattle Storm's new coach earlier this month. "But I thought if somebody called and it sounded good, I'd do it."


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Hughes has coached more WNBA games than anyone -- 524, with a 237-287 overall record -- in stints with Charlotte, Cleveland and San Antonio. But he hasn't won a championship. The closest he came was in 2008, when the Stars fell to Detroit 3-0 in the WNBA Finals.


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Hughes and Valavanis said they have that optimism in part because both are on the same page about their evaluation of what Seattle possesses and what it needs.

"I really do believe we have the critical pieces, and we're looking to shore up the rest of the roster," said Valavanis, who will have the No. 5 draft pick in 2018. "And Dan's perspective is in alignment with that; he made it clear he believes we have the core pieces to have a winning team."


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"I wondered how I would be about watching WNBA games," Hughes said. "I became a major fan. And I really enjoyed that. I bought the league pass, and I was watching games every night."


I guess he's up to our level now.... the basement level.

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"He's got the knowledge. He's got the experience," Bird said of Hughes. "Paired up with where our team is right now, with our youth and the season we're coming off of, I think it's a really good fit."


Bird really drinking the Hughes kool-aid.

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Hughes will be the fifth head coach for Bird at Seattle, following Anne Donovan, Brian Agler, Boucek and Kloppenburg.


I thought Lin Dunn coached her too.

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"For the most part, you just have to buy in and trust," Bird said of adjusting to a new coach. "Some of that is earned. But in order to make that work as quickly as possible, you kind of have to blindly trust. Because Dan has proven himself, the blind trust isn't that hard to give."


Bird taking a bath in the Hughes kool-aid. Is he still tied into Team USA basketball?

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"They're still learning how magical it can be as they learn to do things together," Hughes said. "That's where I step in."


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Valavanis sounds hopeful of bringing back free-agent forward Crystal Langhorne. Forward Alysha Clark was the team's other starter. But there was little production from the bench. And defensively, the Storm lag considerably behind the league's top franchises, Minnesota and Los Angeles, which have met in the WNBA Finals the past two years.


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"I'm not coming in with a long-term plan; I'm looking at the present. How can we take this team and get them to that level?"


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"I know what I've done in the past. But I want to be a 2018 coach with the team I've got."



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Shades is right: Dunn coached Bird her rookie season. The many Bird quotes I feel are to calm down all the people who questioned the hiring. One of the whispers is that if Bird is unhappy then she might retire and the quotes are probably a good way to quash that talk.

I know everyone's thinking Seattle will go for Plum but I am fearful that they will choose to go for Danielle Robinson instead. They simply need to ensure Bird plays less next season and that almost demands an experienced PG. The article also says they hope to sign Crystal Langhorne again.


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Bird really drinking the Hughes kool-aid.



Do you seriously think she would ever say anything negative about the new coach, no matter who it was?


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