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PostPosted: 05/16/18 3:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Yeah, if I were a Storm fan hearing about KML's extension, the Loyd deal is what I'd want to focus on, too.


Yeah, KML has been a total bust. I keep hoping that one year she is going to show up and be a different player. I've seen it happen before (see Tanisha Wright and Allie Quigley), but more often than not they only get worse as they get older. An extension doesn't necessarily mean they have to keep her on the roster since I doubt there is any guaranteed money in that contract, so it just gives the Storm options. But I would love to find a better player to take that slot unless she has taken leaps and bounds from last year. And not showing up for preseason is a huge minus in my book.

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How much of Mosqueda-Lewis being a bust is on Boucek?


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Here's a couple of waives I can't can't really confirm but sound legit: Hillsman and McPhee



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How much of Mosqueda-Lewis being a bust is on Boucek?


How much of Swords being a bust is one Boucek? For that matter, how much of the Storm being a disappointment for 2 years is on Boucek? Apparently, the GM thought a lot was her fault.


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mavcarter wrote:
How much of Mosqueda-Lewis being a bust is on Boucek?


How much of Swords being a bust is one Boucek? For that matter, how much of the Storm being a disappointment for 2 years is on Boucek? Apparently, the GM thought a lot was her fault.


I think KML made her own bed. She's there to shoot threes and so far has failed to do so at a good enough rate. Being out of shape doesn't help her do anything else that is useful, including defense. At this point I think there are multiple players who could shoot better than her so the extension makes zero sense. Maybe Dan just went back and looked at her college stats. Swords is another matter. We'll see if Bill can revive her career.



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myrtle wrote:
Randy wrote:
mavcarter wrote:
How much of Mosqueda-Lewis being a bust is on Boucek?


How much of Swords being a bust is one Boucek? For that matter, how much of the Storm being a disappointment for 2 years is on Boucek? Apparently, the GM thought a lot was her fault.


I think KML made her own bed. She's there to shoot threes and so far has failed to do so at a good enough rate. Being out of shape doesn't help her do anything else that is useful, including defense. At this point I think there are multiple players who could shoot better than her so the extension makes zero sense. Maybe Dan just went back and looked at her college stats. Swords is another matter. We'll see if Bill can revive her career.


Or Dan is basing it off of last season when she came back from overseas play in shape and played well before she got injured. We havent seen her play for a longer period while being in shape and not injured so im waiting on that before i write her off..



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Randy wrote:
mavcarter wrote:
How much of Mosqueda-Lewis being a bust is on Boucek?


How much of Swords being a bust is one Boucek? For that matter, how much of the Storm being a disappointment for 2 years is on Boucek? Apparently, the GM thought a lot was her fault.


GMs are backed into a corner sometimes with regard to a team not doing as well as hoped or as expected. Without significant injuries they either have to blame the coach or the players. Since they are responsible for assembling the team, they won't usually blame the players. And judging from this forum, fans seem to blame coaches much more than players for a team doing worse than average, so a GM may get rid of a coach to keep the fans happy.




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tfan wrote:
Randy wrote:
mavcarter wrote:
How much of Mosqueda-Lewis being a bust is on Boucek?


How much of Swords being a bust is one Boucek? For that matter, how much of the Storm being a disappointment for 2 years is on Boucek? Apparently, the GM thought a lot was her fault.


GMs are backed into a corner sometimes with regard to a team not doing as well as hoped or as expected. Without significant injuries they either have to blame the coach or the players. Since they are responsible for assembling the team, they won't usually blame the players. And judging from this forum, fans seem to blame coaches much more than players for a team underperforming, so a GM may get rid of a coach to keep the fans happy.


I think the GM admitted she made a mistake of trading for Swords in the first place by letting her go and not retaining her



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I think the GM admitted she made a mistake of trading for Swords in the first place by letting her go and not retaining her


I haven't been impressed with our GM since Karen Bryant left. And I think that Jenny wasn't that impressive of a coach as well. Combine the two, and you have the underperforming teams of recent years. Time will tell if Dan solves the coach problem at least.



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PostPosted: 05/17/18 9:36 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I guess you can blame Boucek for some of KML's issues, but she's played 927 minutes in her WNBA career and made 32% of her three-pointers.

Maybe the coaching put her in bad situations so she missed more than she should, and maybe the coaching is responsible for her having 52 assists and 62 turnovers, or getting one steal every 60 minutes or so, but I'm going with the issue being KML and not Boucek.

No matter who the coach is, or what the system is, a player has to take advantage of the opportunities presented her, and make enough plays so that she gets more minutes and maybe even makes the coach adjust so she's in position to do what she's best at.

Of course some players have been negatively impacted by their coach, and maybe that's true in this case ... but KML had opportunities to make shots and handle the ball and play defense, and the eye test and the stats suggest she didn't do that great a job when given the chance.



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PostPosted: 05/17/18 9:46 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

KML has been pretty bad at this level. Boucek is a pretty bad coach. Both things can be true at the same time.


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For what it's worth, I asked the question only because I blame Boucek or whoever had the influence of drafting Mosqueda-Lewis at #3 with expectations to perform like a "normal lottery pick" when her skills were clearly limited (average ball handling, can't create her own shot, limited athlete, etc.). Then again, that 2015 Draft was shallow, IMO..


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Drafting is such a crapshoot beyond the absolute superstars that I'm always hesitant to criticise most decisions, but even at the time Elizabeth Williams made glaringly more sense than KML - and over the following years where Seattle's desperately searched for a center it's only looked more like a screw-up. Maybe she follows the Shekinna Stricklen path of eventually finding the right spot on the right roster, but it's not looking great. Without meaningful development she's basically a shorter Jordan Hooper.



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Without meaningful development she's basically a shorter Jordan Hooper.


Shorter and notably worse at the one thing they can supposedly do. There was almost a 10-point gap in their 3-point shooting percentages last year.


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Hindsight is easy. At the time Williams was not an obvious choice and did not show much until a few years in. Granted 2o15 was not a good draft but based on college careers what is now, was not what it was then.


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Hindsight is easy. At the time Williams was not an obvious choice and did not show much until a few years in.


Plenty of people suggested Williams should be taken at #3 in the draft threads, so this isn't necessarily a "hindsight" situation.


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bballjunkie wrote:
Hindsight is easy. At the time Williams was not an obvious choice and did not show much until a few years in.


Plenty of people suggested Williams should be taken at #3 in the draft threads, so this isn't necessarily a "hindsight" situation.


And a number of people thought KML was overrated or would struggle adjusting to the pros.



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mavcarter wrote:
bballjunkie wrote:
Hindsight is easy. At the time Williams was not an obvious choice and did not show much until a few years in.


Plenty of people suggested Williams should be taken at #3 in the draft threads, so this isn't necessarily a "hindsight" situation.


And a number of people thought KML was overrated or would struggle adjusting to the pros.


Sounds familiar , some posters are being quite critical of her due to her lack of certain qualities and yet they praise others who have less ability than she does. The fat lady is singing !! Laughing Laughing



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WNBA 09 wrote:
pilight wrote:
mavcarter wrote:
bballjunkie wrote:
Hindsight is easy. At the time Williams was not an obvious choice and did not show much until a few years in.


Plenty of people suggested Williams should be taken at #3 in the draft threads, so this isn't necessarily a "hindsight" situation.


And a number of people thought KML was overrated or would struggle adjusting to the pros.


Sounds familiar , some posters are being quite critical of her due to her lack of certain qualities and yet they praise others who have less ability than she does. The fat lady is singing !! Laughing Laughing


At some point you have to produce(KML,Zuhui b,etc..)


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mavcarter wrote:
bballjunkie wrote:
Hindsight is easy. At the time Williams was not an obvious choice and did not show much until a few years in.


Plenty of people suggested Williams should be taken at #3 in the draft threads, so this isn't necessarily a "hindsight" situation.

Yeah, I remember discussing on Twitter on the day of the draft how EWill seemed like a much better fit, and how if you're taking KML instead you better be pretty damn convinced she's significantly better. As I mentioned in the previous message, this one isn't just hindsight.



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Plenty of people also said Williams would struggle in the W like she did initially.


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How much of Mosqueda-Lewis being a bust is on Boucek?


Mosqueda-Lewis is not tall for her position, doesn't have long arms, and isn't quick. In fact, she appears below average in all three metrics. Boucek couldn't change that. Seems that Mosqueda-Lewis got a draft boost from being a starter on a dominant team. Also much easier to get open three pointers and shoot a high percentage on a dominant team.


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This article says that all the WNBA GMs didn't think KML could defend in the WNBA. Auriemma is quoted as saying that it has to be the right fit or she will do terrible. The right fit being a team that can get her open looks. A dominant team.


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KML would make a dominant WNBA team less dominant. Could you imagine replacing Maya with KML? Tank City, y’all



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Storm should pick up Larkin's off of waivers.



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Storm should pick up Larkin's off of waivers.


Agreed



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Storm should pick up Larkin's off of waivers.


So they can add another undersized C? I thought people were suggesting the Storm need height.


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Storm should pick up Larkin's off of waivers.


So they can add another undersized C? I thought people were suggesting the Storm need height.


Their options at center seem pretty thin. Anything would be an upgrade to the team at this point inside.



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Storm should pick up Larkin's off of waivers.


So they can add another undersized C? I thought people were suggesting the Storm need height.


Their options at center seem pretty thin. Anything would be an upgrade to the team at this point inside.


No, I don't think so. Langhorne and Paris are just as good or better. I like Larkins but she should go someplace where she wouldn't just be a third too-short center.



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I seen a tweet that implied Muldrow made the team, but is that even possible?
Why have so many SF if your plan is to play Stewart at that position? Dan change his mind already?



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i'm ditching the storm. they waive the home town girl mcphee and keep quinn. makes no sense.

done with the storm!



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i'm ditching the storm. they waive the home town girl mcphee and keep quinn. makes no sense.

done with the storm!


McPhee over quinn does not seem logical at all , did you really think McPhee would make it ?



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WNBA 09 wrote:
scrappy wrote:
i'm ditching the storm. they waive the home town girl mcphee and keep quinn. makes no sense.

done with the storm!


McPhee over quinn does not seem logical at all , did you really think McPhee would make it ?


No disrespect to McPhee--I think she is skilled and has good length, but to play in the WNBA, she needs to bulk up and maybe develop an outside shot. In college, she was a pretty physical player and she simply can't play that way at the next level at her size.

Dropping Quinn in favor of McPhee, local or not, would have made even less sense than dropping Jaz Davis in favor of Angel Goodrich.

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I think the GM admitted she made a mistake of trading for Swords in the first place by letting her go and not retaining her


I haven't been impressed with our GM since Karen Bryant left. And I think that Jenny wasn't that impressive of a coach as well. Combine the two, and you have the underperforming teams of recent years. Time will tell if Dan solves the coach problem at least.


When Agler was the GM, he did an amazing job of attracting big name free agents. They were mostly past their prime, but they were still pretty amazing. He--in combination with the city, the fans, and Jackson and Bird--made the Storm a destination for veterans. But we got older and older and older, until we landed back in the lottery. He wanted nothing to do with a rookie #1 pick and so his departure wasn't surprising.

What would he have done with Loyd in that weak draft class? I don't think she would have found a way off his bench. He probably would have traded her like he did with so many of his draft picks.

Loyd isn't anywhere close to her potential, so we'll see what a coaching change does for her.

You just can't replace Karen Bryant. From Seattle U, to UW, to the ABL, Bryant was Seattle basketball through and through. Maybe under Bryant, the Storm still choose Goodrich over Davis, but you can be damn sure Bryant would have handled that situation better. For sure we miss Bryant.

This is Valavanis' roster. We know where the weak spots are. Lots of blame to go around for KML. If she is in shape, maybe she can give us good minutes. Clark may never be an all-star, but there have been multiple times when I've thought she hit her ceiling yet she goes on to improve her game. That's a credit to her. Muldrow over Crvendakic...if Muldrow can give us any good minutes, then credit to Valavanis and Hughes.

I like Howard, but the odds are that the trade will cost us next year. It may possibly go down as one of the worst trades in the history of the league. So Valavanis' roster better come together and we have to hope that some teams don't come together.


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The Storm waived Aleksandra Crvendakic, bringing its roster to 12 players.

Muldrow, Whitcomb, and longtime favorite Quinn made the cut.



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The Storm waived Aleksandra Crvendakic, bringing its roster to 12 players.

Muldrow, Whitcomb made the cut.


This doesn't surprise me , Storm fans seemed to think she could make the team and take minutes away from KML when she got signed . I for one was not impressed with her highlight film posted in the storm thread.



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The Storm waived Aleksandra Crvendakic, bringing its roster to 12 players.

Muldrow, Whitcomb made the cut.


Whitcomb was signed to a multiyear deal not so long ago so i knew she wasnt going to get cut. She had a pretty good rookie season but had trouble adjusting to a smaller role and to be effective in limited minutes. I think she will do fine in her 2nd and 3rd year.



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Muldrow, Whitcomb, and longtime favorite Quinn made the cut.


I personally think that Quinn and KML are wasted spots on the roster. I cringe every time Quinn comes into the game. The flow just stops. I hope they drop her to pick somebody up off of waivers.

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Michelle89 wrote:
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The Storm waived Aleksandra Crvendakic, bringing its roster to 12 players.

Muldrow, Whitcomb made the cut.


Whitcomb was signed to a multiyear deal not so long ago so i knew she wasnt going to get cut. She had a pretty good rookie season but had trouble adjusting to a smaller role and to be effective in limited minutes. I think she will do fine in her 2nd and 3rd year.


I’d be surprised if it was a guaranteed deal, but who knows with this front office.



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Just don't see a need for Quinn on this team now with Canada, Whitcomb and Muldrow. She needs to go and the Storm need to pick up another center.



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I like Howard, but the odds are that the trade will cost us next year. It may possibly go down as one of the worst trades in the history of the league.


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Howard would have to literally be utter garbage, and the draft pick they gave to Minnesota will have to be an All World player for this to even sniff the worst trade in history. Laughing


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bcdawg04 wrote:
I like Howard, but the odds are that the trade will cost us next year. It may possibly go down as one of the worst trades in the history of the league.


Shocked

Howard would have to literally be utter garbage, and the draft pick they gave to Minnesota will have to be an All World player for this to even sniff the worst trade in history. Laughing


All it takes is for Seattle to finish outside the lottery & Minny could be looking at a possible #1 draft pick next season. That's something major in my opinion.



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mavcarter wrote:
bcdawg04 wrote:
I like Howard, but the odds are that the trade will cost us next year. It may possibly go down as one of the worst trades in the history of the league.


Shocked

Howard would have to literally be utter garbage, and the draft pick they gave to Minnesota will have to be an All World player for this to even sniff the worst trade in history. Laughing


All it takes is for Seattle to finish outside the lottery & Minny could be looking at a possible #1 draft pick next season. That's something major in my opinion.


The odds are a bit stacked against the Storm for winning the lottery again. The three most likely teams to make the lottery are Indy, LV and probably the Sky. Storm won 15 games last year, while the Fever, Aces and Sky won 9,8 and 12. So the Storm would have to lose 6 more games than the Fever this year, seven more than the Aces and 3 more than the Sky to just get the best lottery odds and then they only get a 44% chance of getting the number 1 pick. It would be almost as hard for them to get the number 2 pick, so their best(or is it worst) case scenario is probably they end up with pick 3 or 4 if they fall to the lottery. Not a good outcome for the Storm and good one for the Lynx but not necessarily a disaster. (But it might just be enough to get the GM fired.)


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Even if SEA’s love of KML is confusing, the additions of Howard, Paris, and Canada make them a better team right away... plus an arguably better game time coach. Who is leap-frogging SEA except MAYBE Atlanta?



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Even if SEA’s love of KML is confusing, the additions of Howard, Paris, and Canada make them a better team right away... plus an arguably better game time coach. Who is leap-frogging SEA except MAYBE Atlanta?


Dream and Storm may well be fighting it out for the last playoff spot.


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Shades wrote:
Even if SEA’s love of KML is confusing, the additions of Howard, Paris, and Canada make them a better team right away... plus an arguably better game time coach. Who is leap-frogging SEA except MAYBE Atlanta?


Dream and Storm may well be fighting it out for the last playoff spot.


I think there’s plenty of room for a usually decent team to be really bad this year if certain things don’t go right. Just not sure which one.



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Per . Com Mercedes Russell & Maria Vadeeva are available on the waiver wire Storm fans Very Happy



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Per . Com Mercedes Russell & Maria Vadeeva are available on the waiver wire Storm fans Very Happy


Too bad that it looks like another wnba error Confused

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New faces to the team include Cappie Pondexter and 2018 first round draft pick, Russian center Maria Vadeeva. Pondexter, a california native, returns home with two WNBA championship rings and 12 years of professional experience to her name

http://sparks.wnba.com/news/2018-sparks-roster-released/



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Welp at least Russell's Available , Shes from oregon possibly a little home cooking ? And shes a LEGIT 6'6 center with size and an offensive game ?



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Happy for Muldrow. Didn't really expect her to make the final cut but glad she did.



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PostPosted: 05/17/18 6:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Welp at least Russell's Available , Shes from oregon possibly a little home cooking ? And shes a LEGIT 6'6 center with size and an offensive game?


Seems like a good choice to replace McCall in Indy.

Reeve left the Lynx in a position to not to take advantage of any waiver players, not that they’d be in a position to get a good one.



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