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PostPosted: 05/25/18 4:47 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
No, that doesn’t sound right. Reeve won the year the Lynx went from the lottery to championship (Maya effect). She’s only won once since then. I suspect there wasn’t a greatly improved team in 2016, so they decided to default to one of the best teams. Reeve was overdue for another one.


They probably want to avoid what they did when the league started - gave it to Van Chancellor, coach of the stacked team of the day, three years in a row. In 2017 Curt Miller was selected before the Sun had played a playoff game. They must always pick it before the playoffs have concluded, based on regular season record. In 21 years of selections, the coach of the year has been the coach with the best record 11 times - 52% of the time ("often times").

But it probably goes:

If any team significantly improved - and made the playoffs
coach of the year
else
if team with best record wasn't coach of the year last year
coach of the year
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Mojo wrote:
Current coach stats (plus Cooper because his name gets mentioned):
Agler. 14yrs. .549 win% 9yrs playoffs
Brondello. 5yrs .574. 5yrs
Chatman. 7yrs. .481. 4yrs
Hughes. 16yrs. .453. 10yrs
Laimbeer. 13yrs. .573. 9yrs
Miller. 2yrs. .545. 1yr
Reeve. 8yrs. .716. 7yrs
Stocks. 1yr. .353. 0yrs
Thibault. 15yrs. .566. 12yrs
Williams. 9yrs. .460. 4yrs
Cooper. 12yrs. .592. 8yrs
.


But if you graph their yearly records you see variations showing how important personnel is. For example, Agler got a championship with the Storm and the Sparks, and never made the playoffs with the Lynx. Dan Hughes has been Coach of the Year twice and made the WNBA finals, but has also missed the playoffs 6 of 16 years (37%).


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shontay33 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
1.Carol Ross-4th highest regular season win% of all-time....644(58-32)...High expectations got Ross fired.

Ross Record:
2012:24-10
2013:24-10
2014:10-12

Ross got fired with a 10-12 record after back to back 24 win seasons.

2.Ann Donovan-Great post player coach...Liz would greatly benefit from having Ann as a HC.

3.Eric Thibault...Son of Mike Thibault...has 10 years experience as a wnba assistant coach.He's paid his dues.

If Dallas does not make the playoffs Fred should get the AX....Standing Pat would be asinine...Fred's record as Tulsa/Dallas HC is 58-81...This is Fred's 5th season as Shock/Wings HC....How much rope should Fred be given?


Zune you must be fed up with Fred!!! Laughing


Laughing.....I've been wanting to fire Fred's ass for the last 3 seasons....The undisciplined offense and terrible defense over his first 4 seasons as Head Coach is just inexcusable...I'm willing to give him somewhat of a pass because he was starting a backup center(Paris)...But still,Fred never developed Paris or held her accountable.The same way he didn't hold Sims accountable.Sims entered the WNBA as an elite on ball defender...Fred decided to give Sims a green light on offense.Turning her into a one dimensional,high volume,low percentage basketball player...Now look at Sims...She's a legit two-way player...Very good on offense,and great on defense...Fred has given Diggins to much freedom to do what she wants on offense...Skylar's avg the 3rd most fga in the league(16.0)...while shooting a terrible 37%...I'd like to see Cambage get more touches in the post.


I believe Dallas should win 20 games minimum...But I don't think Fred's the right Man/Woman for the job.Hopefully he proves me wrong.


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PostPosted: 05/25/18 7:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

tfan wrote:
Mojo wrote:
Current coach stats (plus Cooper because his name gets mentioned):
Agler. 14yrs. .549 win% 9yrs playoffs
Brondello. 5yrs .574. 5yrs
Chatman. 7yrs. .481. 4yrs
Hughes. 16yrs. .453. 10yrs
Laimbeer. 13yrs. .573. 9yrs
Miller. 2yrs. .545. 1yr
Reeve. 8yrs. .716. 7yrs
Stocks. 1yr. .353. 0yrs
Thibault. 15yrs. .566. 12yrs
Williams. 9yrs. .460. 4yrs
Cooper. 12yrs. .592. 8yrs
.


But if you graph their yearly records you see variations showing how important personnel is. For example, Agler got a championship with the Storm and the Sparks, and never made the playoffs with the Lynx. Dan Hughes has been Coach of the Year twice and made the WNBA finals, but has also missed the playoffs 6 of 16 years (37%).


The last 8 yrs, number of times picking top 4
Dallas 7
Seattle 5
Chicago 5
Las Vegas 4
Conn 3
Minn 3
LA 1
Pho 1
Wash 1
NY1
Atl 0
Ins 0
Dallas was not in the top 4 picks 2 times, both those times picking 5, Other teams have also struggled to pull up into elite status, but Dallas has had the most opportunities for quality players. Fred is starting his fifth year with the organization. Does Fred have the ability to figure out how to get the most out of each individual and at the same time create a congruous successful team? Offense + defense = winning = playoff wins. Additionally, the team deserves better attendance win or lose.


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PostPosted: 05/25/18 7:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

tfan wrote:
Mojo wrote:
Current coach stats (plus Cooper because his name gets mentioned):
Agler. 14yrs. .549 win% 9yrs playoffs
Brondello. 5yrs .574. 5yrs
Chatman. 7yrs. .481. 4yrs
Hughes. 16yrs. .453. 10yrs
Laimbeer. 13yrs. .573. 9yrs
Miller. 2yrs. .545. 1yr
Reeve. 8yrs. .716. 7yrs
Stocks. 1yr. .353. 0yrs
Thibault. 15yrs. .566. 12yrs
Williams. 9yrs. .460. 4yrs
Cooper. 12yrs. .592. 8yrs
.


But if you graph their yearly records you see variations showing how important personnel is. For example, Agler got a championship with the Storm and the Sparks, and never made the playoffs with the Lynx. Dan Hughes has been Coach of the Year twice and made the WNBA finals, but has also missed the playoffs 6 of 16 years (37%).


The last 8 yrs, number of times picking top 4
Dallas 7
Seattle 5
Chicago 5
Las Vegas 4
Conn 4
Minn 3
LA 1
Pho 1
Wash 1
NY1
Atl 0
Ins 0
Dallas was not in the top 4 picks 2 times, those times picking 5 and 6, Other teams have also struggled to pull up into elite status, but Dallas has had the most opportunities for quality players. Fred is starting his fifth year with the organization. Does Fred have the ability to figure out how to get the most out of each individual and at the same time create a congruous successful team? Offense + defense = winning = playoff wins. Additionally, the team deserves better fan attendance win or lose.


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So obviously our team is still not ready to battle with the big girls. Drop dead fred has no clue on how to run this team and get defensive intensity for a full 40 minutes. I retract my title talk and just wish for a semifinal birth. Fred will make you lower your expectations verrrrry quickly.



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PostPosted: 05/29/18 10:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
So obviously our team is still not ready to battle with the big girls. Drop dead fred has no clue on how to run this team and get defensive intensity for a full 40 minutes. I retract my title talk and just wish for a semifinal birth. Fred will make you lower your expectations verrrrry quickly.


+1

At this point,I'm just hoping they make the playoffs......But a playoff berth would secure Fred's job for another season Crying or Very sad ....Might even get a contract extension.

Fred should be kissing Cambage's Ass......19.0p/12.0r/2.8a/2.8b/58%/65%....Cambeast for MVP.


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ClayK wrote:
sometimes people who are very good assistants are not necessarily good head coaches


Trudi Lacey was considered an excellent assistant coach...



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PostPosted: 05/29/18 10:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

zune69 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
So obviously our team is still not ready to battle with the big girls. Drop dead fred has no clue on how to run this team and get defensive intensity for a full 40 minutes. I retract my title talk and just wish for a semifinal birth. Fred will make you lower your expectations verrrrry quickly.


+1

At this point,I'm just hoping they make the playoffs......But a playoff berth would secure Fred's job for another season Crying or Very sad ....Might even get a contract extension.

Fred should be kissing Cambage's Ass......19.0p/12.0r/2.8a/2.8b/58%/65%....Cambeast for MVP.


You sure turned on Fred quickly. Surprised



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Shades wrote:
zune69 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
So obviously our team is still not ready to battle with the big girls. Drop dead fred has no clue on how to run this team and get defensive intensity for a full 40 minutes. I retract my title talk and just wish for a semifinal birth. Fred will make you lower your expectations verrrrry quickly.


+1

At this point,I'm just hoping they make the playoffs......But a playoff berth would secure Fred's job for another season Crying or Very sad ....Might even get a contract extension.

Fred should be kissing Cambage's Ass......19.0p/12.0r/2.8a/2.8b/58%/65%....Cambeast for MVP.


You sure turned on Fred quickly. Surprised


Your comment was obviously directed at WNBA 09....i've never been in Fred's corner.


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If she is ever healthy how about

Davis (or Powers) and Dallas' 2nd round pick in 19 for Jefferson

Laimbeer likes big guards and the Wings could move Sky off the ball

Jefferson/Chong
Diggins-Smith/Gray
KCK/Thorton/Powers
GloJo/Stevens
Cambage/Plaisance/Lewis

L. Allen/Plum
McBride/Davis
Young/Coffey/Nared
Wilson/Hamby
Bone/Swords/Park


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PostPosted: 05/29/18 11:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

zune69 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
So obviously our team is still not ready to battle with the big girls. Drop dead fred has no clue on how to run this team and get defensive intensity for a full 40 minutes. I retract my title talk and just wish for a semifinal birth. Fred will make you lower your expectations verrrrry quickly.


+1

At this point,I'm just hoping they make the playoffs......But a playoff berth would secure Fred's job for another season Crying or Very sad ....Might even get a contract extension.

Fred should be kissing Cambage's Ass......19.0p/12.0r/2.8a/2.8b/58%/65%....Cambeast for MVP.

Fred would probably love to kiss her buttocks but I believe his wife would not like that. Wink Very Happy



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zune69 wrote:
Shades wrote:
zune69 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
So obviously our team is still not ready to battle with the big girls. Drop dead fred has no clue on how to run this team and get defensive intensity for a full 40 minutes. I retract my title talk and just wish for a semifinal birth. Fred will make you lower your expectations verrrrry quickly.


+1

At this point,I'm just hoping they make the playoffs......But a playoff berth would secure Fred's job for another season Crying or Very sad ....Might even get a contract extension.

Fred should be kissing Cambage's Ass......19.0p/12.0r/2.8a/2.8b/58%/65%....Cambeast for MVP.


You sure turned on Fred quickly. Surprised


Your comment was obviously directed at WNBA 09....i've never been in Fred's corner.


You’re the one predicting a low bar for keeping his job. Making the playoffs is nothing for this team. He should be gone regardless, like I said the other night. My grandma could coach this team to the playoffs.



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zune69 wrote:
Shades wrote:
zune69 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
So obviously our team is still not ready to battle with the big girls. Drop dead fred has no clue on how to run this team and get defensive intensity for a full 40 minutes. I retract my title talk and just wish for a semifinal birth. Fred will make you lower your expectations verrrrry quickly.


+1

At this point,I'm just hoping they make the playoffs......But a playoff berth would secure Fred's job for another season Crying or Very sad ....Might even get a contract extension.

Fred should be kissing Cambage's Ass......19.0p/12.0r/2.8a/2.8b/58%/65%....Cambeast for MVP.


You sure turned on Fred quickly. Surprised


Your comment was obviously directed at WNBA 09....i've never been in Fred's corner.


I havent turned 100% but tonight was a disgrace. We couldn't put our foot down and thats directly at the coach.



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J-Spoon wrote:
If she is ever healthy how about

Davis (or Powers) and Dallas' 2nd round pick in 19 for Jefferson

Laimbeer likes big guards and the Wings could move Sky off the ball

Jefferson/Chong
Diggins-Smith/Gray
KCK/Thorton/Powers
GloJo/Stevens
Cambage/Plaisance/Lewis

L. Allen/Plum
McBride/Davis
Young/Coffey/Nared
Wilson/Hamby
Bone/Swords/Park


We have diggins no need for jefferson.



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WNBA 09 wrote:
J-Spoon wrote:
If she is ever healthy how about

Davis (or Powers) and Dallas' 2nd round pick in 19 for Jefferson

Laimbeer likes big guards and the Wings could move Sky off the ball

Jefferson/Chong
Diggins-Smith/Gray
KCK/Thorton/Powers
GloJo/Stevens
Cambage/Plaisance/Lewis

L. Allen/Plum
McBride/Davis
Young/Coffey/Nared
Wilson/Hamby
Bone/Swords/Park


We have diggins no need for jefferson.


I was just expanding off of someone suggestion that Diggins might benefit from playing off the ball since Gray has been struggling at the SG spot.

Honestly I want MoJeff in NY so I don't mind this not working out.


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J-Spoon wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
J-Spoon wrote:
If she is ever healthy how about

Davis (or Powers) and Dallas' 2nd round pick in 19 for Jefferson

Laimbeer likes big guards and the Wings could move Sky off the ball

Jefferson/Chong
Diggins-Smith/Gray
KCK/Thorton/Powers
GloJo/Stevens
Cambage/Plaisance/Lewis

L. Allen/Plum
McBride/Davis
Young/Coffey/Nared
Wilson/Hamby
Bone/Swords/Park


We have diggins no need for jefferson.


I was just expanding off of someone suggestion that Diggins might benefit from playing off the ball since Gray has been struggling at the SG spot.

Honestly I want MoJeff in NY so I don't mind this not working out.


If Skylar wants to be the #1 scoring option,move her to the 2.

Gray & Plaisance for Jefferson & Harrison seems like a fair trade Very Happy


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Skylar wants it's it all. She wants to be known as a great shooting guard and a great point guard. Skylar would devour anyone that would take the ball out her hands and play point guard.

I can hear Skylar saying this to any point guard trying to take the ball from her.
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zune69 wrote:
J-Spoon wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
J-Spoon wrote:
If she is ever healthy how about

Davis (or Powers) and Dallas' 2nd round pick in 19 for Jefferson

Laimbeer likes big guards and the Wings could move Sky off the ball

Jefferson/Chong
Diggins-Smith/Gray
KCK/Thorton/Powers
GloJo/Stevens
Cambage/Plaisance/Lewis

L. Allen/Plum
McBride/Davis
Young/Coffey/Nared
Wilson/Hamby
Bone/Swords/Park


We have diggins no need for jefferson.


I was just expanding off of someone suggestion that Diggins might benefit from playing off the ball since Gray has been struggling at the SG spot.

Honestly I want MoJeff in NY so I don't mind this not working out.


If Skylar wants to be the #1 scoring option,move her to the 2.

Gray & Plaisance for Jefferson & Harrison seems like a fair trade Very Happy


I like any of the above trades to include Williams for Laimbeer


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Mojo wrote:
zune69 wrote:
J-Spoon wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
J-Spoon wrote:
If she is ever healthy how about

Davis (or Powers) and Dallas' 2nd round pick in 19 for Jefferson

Laimbeer likes big guards and the Wings could move Sky off the ball

Jefferson/Chong
Diggins-Smith/Gray
KCK/Thorton/Powers
GloJo/Stevens
Cambage/Plaisance/Lewis

L. Allen/Plum
McBride/Davis
Young/Coffey/Nared
Wilson/Hamby
Bone/Swords/Park


We have diggins no need for jefferson.


I was just expanding off of someone suggestion that Diggins might benefit from playing off the ball since Gray has been struggling at the SG spot.

Honestly I want MoJeff in NY so I don't mind this not working out.


If Skylar wants to be the #1 scoring option,move her to the 2.

Gray & Plaisance for Jefferson & Harrison seems like a fair trade Very Happy


I like any of the above trades to include Williams for Laimbeer


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WNBA 09 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Shades wrote:
zune69 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
So obviously our team is still not ready to battle with the big girls. Drop dead fred has no clue on how to run this team and get defensive intensity for a full 40 minutes. I retract my title talk and just wish for a semifinal birth. Fred will make you lower your expectations verrrrry quickly.


+1

At this point,I'm just hoping they make the playoffs......But a playoff berth would secure Fred's job for another season Crying or Very sad ....Might even get a contract extension.

Fred should be kissing Cambage's Ass......19.0p/12.0r/2.8a/2.8b/58%/65%....Cambeast for MVP.


You sure turned on Fred quickly. Surprised


Your comment was obviously directed at WNBA 09....i've never been in Fred's corner.


I havent turned 100% but tonight was a disgrace. We couldn't put our foot down and thats directly at the coach.


There are numerous things that Fred does not do, little things that add up. At the top of that list is not winning enough games, considering that Dallas has a lot of talent, considering Glory is a difference maker and out, considering this team is teetering above/below .500 instead of meeting expectations of a big year.


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Gotta get Liz the ball.


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Hopes for enough wins to make the playoffs will keep Fred as coach. The team will more than likely make the playoffs. Get Glory on the court, Powers and Plaisance as options and hope for abilities of both players and coaches to improve and calculate into wins. Beyond the obvious of how much the team's success depends on Cambage and Diggins-Smith, Thornton deserves recognition for what she has done with Glory out. I think the coach can get more out of Davis, Gray and Stevens with well-designed plays and having the right player on the court for situational matchup.
Come on Dallas. Win.


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Hopes for enough wins to make the playoffs will keep Fred as coach.

This is why I'm torn on how I want Dallas to do this year. They're a talented roster who appear to need just one more personnel move to reach their full potential. WFFLs have been starved of success, so I get the attraction of finishing in the upper half of the standings, but being a legit title contender should be the aim.



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Luuuc wrote:
Mojo wrote:
Hopes for enough wins to make the playoffs will keep Fred as coach.

This is why I'm torn on how I want Dallas to do this year. They're a talented roster who appear to need just one more personnel move to reach their full potential. WFFLs have been starved of success, so I get the attraction of finishing in the upper half of the standings, but being a legit title contender should be the aim.


BINGO! Luuc you could not have said this any better



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WNBA 09 wrote:
Luuuc wrote:
Mojo wrote:
Hopes for enough wins to make the playoffs will keep Fred as coach.

This is why I'm torn on how I want Dallas to do this year. They're a talented roster who appear to need just one more personnel move to reach their full potential. WFFLs have been starved of success, so I get the attraction of finishing in the upper half of the standings, but being a legit title contender should be the aim.


BINGO! Luuc you could not have said this any better

So what you are asking of the Wings is to make the finals or drop kick Fred? Very Happy



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Rock Hard wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Luuuc wrote:
Mojo wrote:
Hopes for enough wins to make the playoffs will keep Fred as coach.

This is why I'm torn on how I want Dallas to do this year. They're a talented roster who appear to need just one more personnel move to reach their full potential. WFFLs have been starved of success, so I get the attraction of finishing in the upper half of the standings, but being a legit title contender should be the aim.


BINGO! Luuc you could not have said this any better

So what you are asking of the Wings is to make the finals or drop kick Fred? Very Happy


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WNBA 09 wrote:
J-Spoon wrote:
If she is ever healthy how about

Davis (or Powers) and Dallas' 2nd round pick in 19 for Jefferson

Laimbeer likes big guards and the Wings could move Sky off the ball

Jefferson/Chong
Diggins-Smith/Gray
KCK/Thorton/Powers
GloJo/Stevens
Cambage/Plaisance/Lewis

L. Allen/Plum
McBride/Davis
Young/Coffey/Nared
Wilson/Hamby
Bone/Swords/Park


We have diggins no need for jefferson.


trade Diggins...what can she fetch?.... (just kidding)


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Nixtreefan wrote:
Gotta get Liz the ball.


Wings guards need to practice getting the ball to Liz when she first post up. They wait a bit too long after the defenders get their reads, and it results in a steal sometimes.


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A good coach will figure out how to get the most out of every player. Tap the resources. If the shooting guard position is not producing, create plays to accentuate their abilities. If all five positions are a threat, it opens up each position for greater possibilities. Liz can't shoot every time. High five for Thornton producing.


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Some of them only look for their own every time whether she is there or not, thats the problem.


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Seem to have all the talent on paper and individually but they can't put it together once they step in the court as a group. So frustrating.


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PostPosted: 05/31/18 11:41 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Seem to have all the talent on paper and individually but they can't put it together once they step in the court as a group. So frustrating.


Sounds like a coaching problem



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chapulana wrote:
Seem to have all the talent on paper and individually but they can't put it together once they step in the court as a group. So frustrating.


Sounds like a coaching problem


Could totally be. Skylar had so many flagrant me-first moments the other night, it was ridiculous...


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PostPosted: 05/31/18 1:37 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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pilight wrote:
chapulana wrote:
Seem to have all the talent on paper and individually but they can't put it together once they step in the court as a group. So frustrating.


Sounds like a coaching problem


Could totally be. Skylar had so many flagrant me-first moments the other night, it was ridiculous...


Her shot was falling , i wanted her to shoot it heck . She was showing flashes of Steph Curry that first half .



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PostPosted: 05/31/18 4:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Leticia Romero for Chong. I've never seen Romero play, but she was pretty hyped for an international player in college.


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Terrible move. Maybe the Liberty can pick up Chong?



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PostPosted: 05/31/18 4:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Doesn't surprise me that they're trying a different backup point guard. They've already been using Kaela Davis as the de facto backup a lot of the time, so Fred had clearly lost any confidence in Chong. Now she gets to join that Colson, Kiesel etc. train of interchangable backup PGs waiting on the couch for a phone call.

Bit surprised that Romero was still in the country and therefore available at short notice.



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PostPosted: 05/31/18 4:51 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Terrible move. Maybe the Liberty can pick up Chong?


I dont think its too terrible , we were already looking to find and improvement from chong during the draft with hopeful Goodwin , but Chong outshined her. Chong is not a threat on offense although she doesnt turn the ball over she's more a filler at PG than a weapon . Romero has yet to play in the league so not sure what to expect . I do know shes a bigger guard than Chong with better court vision , whether she develops better than chong is yet to be seen. I actually like this move and feel Romero can make our 2nd unit even stronger rather then always running half court sets and not being aggressive on fast breaks ala Chong .



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PostPosted: 05/31/18 8:46 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I liked Chong. She had good hands on defense. I don’t get though why she could never make a 3. She shot them all the time in college


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I liked Chong. She had good hands on defense. I don’t get though why she could never make a 3. She shot them all the time in college


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toad455 wrote:
Terrible move. Maybe the Liberty can pick up Chong?


I dont think its too terrible , we were already looking to find and improvement from chong during the draft with hopeful Goodwin , but Chong outshined her. Chong is not a threat on offense although she doesnt turn the ball over she's more a filler at PG than a weapon . Romero has yet to play in the league so not sure what to expect . I do know shes a bigger guard than Chong with better court vision , whether she develops better than chong is yet to be seen. I actually like this move and feel Romero can make our 2nd unit even stronger rather then always running half court sets and not being aggressive on fast breaks ala Chong .


Chong beat out a player last year who was quicker and more aggressive. So I am not surprised she was the choice. I thought Goodwin stood a chance until the preseason game with lots of turnovers. Agreed on your Chong comments.


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PostPosted: 05/31/18 11:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

If we can afford it and still have 3 players out and qualify for the hardship exemption I would definitely give Chang an audition in NY.


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Blow a 17 lead against the shorthanded Liberty.Then nearly cough up a 26 point lead at home against a Birdless Storm team.I understand Dallas is playing without multiple players.But that’s still no excuse.............I can no longer invest my time and energy into watching sports.....It feels as if I’m on an emotional rollercoaster...When my team wins,i’m emotionally drained and tired...But when the lose,I’m on the edge,and ready to snap at the first person who says anything to me...I could literally feel my blood pressure rising during tonight's Wings/Storm game.....Sports is supposed to be fun and entertaining...But most of the time I'm just emotionally drained,tired,upset and sick...And it’s not just the Dallas Wings...It's the mediocre Head coaches,terrible officiating,and unlistenable commentating...The NBA is no better...I nearly had an emotional breakdown after game 1 of the NBA finals.The officiating was absolutely embarrassing....After Dallas' last two rollercoaster games,and gm 1 of the NBA finals...I need to take a break from sports.....My mental and emotional well being is my #1 priority.


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Blow a 17 lead against the shorthanded Liberty.Then nearly cough up a 26 point lead at home against a Birdless Storm team.I understand Dallas is playing without multiple players.But that’s still no excuse.............I can no longer invest my time and energy into watching sports.....It feels as if I’m on an emotional rollercoaster...When my team wins,i’m emotionally drained and tired...But when the lose,I’m on the edge,and ready to snap at the first person who says anything to me...I could literally feel my blood pressure rising during tonight's Wings/Storm game.....Sports is supposed to be fun and entertaining...But most of the time I'm just emotionally drained,tired,upset and sick...And it’s not just the Dallas Wings...It's the mediocre Head coaches,terrible officiating,and unlistenable commentating...The NBA is no better...I nearly had an emotional breakdown after game 1 of the NBA finals.The officiating was absolutely embarrassing....After Dallas' last two rollercoaster games,and gm 1 of the NBA finals...I need to take a break from sports.....My mental and emotional well being is my #1 priority.


Hmmm, sounds similar to an issue I had in May! Except my issue was in regard to my kid’s Select Basketball games. Now, I stopped going to his games and instead get to go to the Wings games and holler/chastise refs/act a fool, and wonderfully, without harming what is truly imperative in my life. maybe a bit of perspective change would be of benefit. The Wings are a wonderful outlet. Use them as a release valve for the rigors of daily life. Scream with them, scream at them, love them, hate 1 or 2, visit with the spectators around you.


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zune69 wrote:
Blow a 17 lead against the shorthanded Liberty.Then nearly cough up a 26 point lead at home against a Birdless Storm team.I understand Dallas is playing without multiple players.But that’s still no excuse.............I can no longer invest my time and energy into watching sports.....It feels as if I’m on an emotional rollercoaster...When my team wins,i’m emotionally drained and tired...But when the lose,I’m on the edge,and ready to snap at the first person who says anything to me...I could literally feel my blood pressure rising during tonight's Wings/Storm game.....Sports is supposed to be fun and entertaining...But most of the time I'm just emotionally drained,tired,upset and sick...And it’s not just the Dallas Wings...It's the mediocre Head coaches,terrible officiating,and unlistenable commentating...The NBA is no better...I nearly had an emotional breakdown after game 1 of the NBA finals.The officiating was absolutely embarrassing....After Dallas' last two rollercoaster games,and gm 1 of the NBA finals...I need to take a break from sports.....My mental and emotional well being is my #1 priority.


Hmmm, sounds similar to an issue I had in May! Except my issue was in regard to my kid’s Select Basketball games. Now, I stopped going to his games and instead get to go to the Wings games and holler/chastise refs/act a fool, and wonderfully, without harming what is truly imperative in my life. maybe a bit of perspective change would be of benefit. The Wings are a wonderful outlet. Use them as a release valve for the rigors of daily life. Scream with them, scream at them, love them, hate 1 or 2, visit with the spectators around you.


To be honest, these issues only arise when I want a team/player to win.......I enjoy watching games where I have no emotional stake in who wins/loses….I felt emotionally satisfied after watching the NY/IND game.The Liberty choking away a big lead had no effect on me.I was just happy to see Nurse/KM have good games...I started watching the Dal/Sea game while the NY/IND game was still in progress...I was stoked...26 point lead midway through the 2nd quarter...Then all of a sudden,Dallas gives away the entire lead.I was furious...Maybe it would be best if I just appreciate the players without having an interest in the outcome of the game.


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Skyfan22 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Blow a 17 lead against the shorthanded Liberty.Then nearly cough up a 26 point lead at home against a Birdless Storm team.I understand Dallas is playing without multiple players.But that’s still no excuse.............I can no longer invest my time and energy into watching sports.....It feels as if I’m on an emotional rollercoaster...When my team wins,i’m emotionally drained and tired...But when the lose,I’m on the edge,and ready to snap at the first person who says anything to me...I could literally feel my blood pressure rising during tonight's Wings/Storm game.....Sports is supposed to be fun and entertaining...But most of the time I'm just emotionally drained,tired,upset and sick...And it’s not just the Dallas Wings...It's the mediocre Head coaches,terrible officiating,and unlistenable commentating...The NBA is no better...I nearly had an emotional breakdown after game 1 of the NBA finals.The officiating was absolutely embarrassing....After Dallas' last two rollercoaster games,and gm 1 of the NBA finals...I need to take a break from sports.....My mental and emotional well being is my #1 priority.


Hmmm, sounds similar to an issue I had in May! Except my issue was in regard to my kid’s Select Basketball games. Now, I stopped going to his games and instead get to go to the Wings games and holler/chastise refs/act a fool, and wonderfully, without harming what is truly imperative in my life. maybe a bit of perspective change would be of benefit. The Wings are a wonderful outlet. Use them as a release valve for the rigors of daily life. Scream with them, scream at them, love them, hate 1 or 2, visit with the spectators around you.


To be honest, these issues only arise when I want a team/player to win.......I enjoy watching games where I have no emotional stake in who wins/loses….I felt emotionally satisfied after watching the NY/IND game.The Liberty choking away a big lead had no effect on me.I was just happy to see Nurse/KM have good games...I started watching the Dal/Sea game while the NY/IND game was still in progress...I was stoked...26 point lead midway through the 2nd quarter...Then all of a sudden,Dallas gives away the entire lead.I was furious...Maybe it would be best if I just appreciate the players without having an interest in the outcome of the game.


Regardless of how you use it, it’s a wonderful medium. Use it whichever way works best for you. Prior to the pressures/responsibilities associated with middle age, I used to get butt-hurt over my team’s losses. I mean, my family are/were long suffering Wings, Cubs and Bears fans. For me, I’m going to enjoy this roller coaster the Wings will take us on as suggested by Alanis Morissette.


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zune69 wrote:
Skyfan22 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Blow a 17 lead against the shorthanded Liberty.Then nearly cough up a 26 point lead at home against a Birdless Storm team.I understand Dallas is playing without multiple players.But that’s still no excuse.............I can no longer invest my time and energy into watching sports.....It feels as if I’m on an emotional rollercoaster...When my team wins,i’m emotionally drained and tired...But when the lose,I’m on the edge,and ready to snap at the first person who says anything to me...I could literally feel my blood pressure rising during tonight's Wings/Storm game.....Sports is supposed to be fun and entertaining...But most of the time I'm just emotionally drained,tired,upset and sick...And it’s not just the Dallas Wings...It's the mediocre Head coaches,terrible officiating,and unlistenable commentating...The NBA is no better...I nearly had an emotional breakdown after game 1 of the NBA finals.The officiating was absolutely embarrassing....After Dallas' last two rollercoaster games,and gm 1 of the NBA finals...I need to take a break from sports.....My mental and emotional well being is my #1 priority.


Hmmm, sounds similar to an issue I had in May! Except my issue was in regard to my kid’s Select Basketball games. Now, I stopped going to his games and instead get to go to the Wings games and holler/chastise refs/act a fool, and wonderfully, without harming what is truly imperative in my life. maybe a bit of perspective change would be of benefit. The Wings are a wonderful outlet. Use them as a release valve for the rigors of daily life. Scream with them, scream at them, love them, hate 1 or 2, visit with the spectators around you.


To be honest, these issues only arise when I want a team/player to win.......I enjoy watching games where I have no emotional stake in who wins/loses….I felt emotionally satisfied after watching the NY/IND game.The Liberty choking away a big lead had no effect on me.I was just happy to see Nurse/KM have good games...I started watching the Dal/Sea game while the NY/IND game was still in progress...I was stoked...26 point lead midway through the 2nd quarter...Then all of a sudden,Dallas gives away the entire lead.I was furious...Maybe it would be best if I just appreciate the players without having an interest in the outcome of the game.


Regardless of how you use it, it’s a wonderful medium. Use it whichever way works best for you. Prior to the pressures/responsibilities associated with middle age, I used to get butt-hurt over my team’s losses. I mean, my family are/were long suffering Wings, Cubs and Bears fans. For me, I’m going to enjoy this roller coaster the Wings will take us on as suggested by Alanis Morissette.


I find it is a lot harder when you think my team is, or just might be, a contender. Then losses are harder to take because it undermines the faith and hope I have that the team will be as good as I hope. The more likely it is my team will lose, the easier I find it to be a fan by enjoying the upset wins, and root for the players' individual accomplishments more than the team's won and lost column. Sports is entertainment, and if I detach from the outcome it is more entertaining.


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PostPosted: 06/03/18 1:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Sound advice from Randy & Skyfan22. Agree with Randy about it being easier to watch games where you're rooting for the underdog, or not a particular fan of either team.

zune69, I can relate. I have a pretty demanding job, and watching basketball is supposed to be my low-stakes stress outlet... but sometimes it causes more stress! If I'm overly invested in a game - to the point where I'm feeling seriously disappointed about a loss more than a few hours later, instead of just moving on to real-world things like I should - I sometimes take a break from watching and checking sites like this for a few games. It helps readjust perspective. Razz


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PostPosted: 06/03/18 1:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Randy wrote:

I find it is a lot harder when you think my team is, or just might be, a contender. Then losses are harder to take because it undermines the faith and hope I have that the team will be as good as I hope. The more likely it is my team will lose, the easier I find it to be a fan by enjoying the upset wins, and root for the players' individual accomplishments more than the team's won and lost column. Sports is entertainment, and if I detach from the outcome it is more entertaining.

Yeah...It was much easier accepting a Dallas loss when they was starting a backup center.....Blowing a 17 & 26 point lead when you have two MVP caliber players only magnifies the frustration.

@ justinabina,Randy & Skyfan22

Thanks for the Feedback...I’ll definitely keep your suggestions in mind.


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