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PostPosted: 05/17/18 11:09 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Dallas Wings Finalize 2018 Roster
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The roster features 10 returning players, including All-Star guard Skylar Diggins-Smith, along with veterans Glory Johnson, Karima Christmas-Kelly, and Theresa Plaisance. Fellow returners, Aerial Powers and Kayla Thornton also join the roster. Four members of last year’s rookie class will begin their sophomore season, led by 2017 Rookie of the Year Allisha Gray and 2017 All-Rookie Team member Kaela Davis, as well as Saniya Chong and Breanna Lewis. Rounding out this year’s squad is international sensation, 6-foot-8 center Liz Cambage, and the Wings overall sixth pick in the 2018 WNBA Draft Azurá Stevens.


The Wings are missing Courtney Paris and Evelyn Akhator from 2017.


Who Question Rolling Eyes


Whoa!...Show Courtney Paris some respect.She's led the WNBA in rebounding 2x,and helped Tul/Dal make the playoffs 2x...It's great to have Cambage back.Dallas should be a better team.But let's not be dismissive of a player who put in work for the Tul/Dal franchise.


Shes not on our team anymore , im not going to dwell on the past . Nothing personal but she was apart of our dweller years and played a major role in us not being able to take the next step . I hope she has an amazing season in Seattle , but she will not be missed sorry .


No,Injuries and Cambage not showing up played the biggest role in Dallas being mediocre....Cambage has never made the playoffs...Tulsa had the worst defense in the league even when Cambage did show up...Stop trying to pin all of Tul/Dal defensive problems on Paris..


2 words PICK & ROLL , that was our thorn every season she played with us and everyone in the league knew it. Cambage should be a upgrade with her rim protection . We were owned in the middle with Paris at Center . This was no fluke i saw it every game up close and personal time and time again . Hoping Liz & Azura can resolve those issues of the past. Clear upgrades in my opinion.


It should be an upgrade..But stop acting like Courtney was the only bad defender on the team....Dallas guards have been historically bad at stopping dribble penetration...And Cambage has her own flaws on defense and offense...Liz is bad at guarding players in space,and in transition.She's also foul prone,and turns the ball over at a high rate.


I never said she was the only bad defender. Stop acting like she wasn't the worst defender in the starting line up zune. She didn't lose her starting spot because she got injured guaranteed.



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Any 2015 pick will be a RFA after this season. Loyd, Williams and Stokes are locks to get new contracts. Probably Cheyenne Parker, Cloud and Boyd, too. But are teams going to even offer the minimum to players like KML, Zahui B and Hamby?


It depends on how they perform this season.


Yes they will, because those contracts aren't guaranteed.


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I never said she was the only bad defender. Stop acting like she wasn't the worst defender in the starting line up zune. She didn't lose her starting spot because she got injured guaranteed.


What does Courtney not starting have to do with anything?...Paris had her worst season in 2017 due to an early season injury...and BTW,Dallas' defense got worse when Courtney missed games.


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Zune is going into his reflex defending of Paris even though he recognizes she wasn’t the answer in Dallas. Probably won’t be the answer anywhere. I’m hoping she won’t be the answer for SEA. Wink



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PostPosted: 05/17/18 11:28 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Zune is going into his reflex defending of Paris even though he recognizes she wasn’t the answer in Dallas. Probably won’t be the answer anywhere. I’m hoping she won’t be the answer for SEA. Wink


Laughing Laughing

Coming off the bench and playing 16-22 minutes is the perfect role for Paris...Unless she decides to do a complete transformation(Improve conditioning,expand/develop her game)




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Zune is going into his reflex defending of Paris even though he recognizes she wasn’t the answer in Dallas. Probably won’t be the answer anywhere. I’m hoping she won’t be the answer for SEA. Wink


Who would you have started at center in Dallas for the years Paris did? Who was "the answer"? Not every team can have a National Team center demand to be traded to them. Why are you rooting against Courtney Paris?


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I’m rooting against SEA (not Paris) because..... DUH!



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PostPosted: 05/17/18 11:53 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I’m rooting against SEA (not Paris) because..... DUH!


same reason I'm rooting for them. Laughing


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Uggghhhh! So they red of reading about Paris in the Dallas thread. Thought we were done with her. Pretty much everyone pointed to the 5 as dallas’ glaring Weakness for both years they were in Dallas. That kids nd of squarely falls on Courtney’s shoulders. As a season ticket holder , it’s nothing but frustration watching her. In the rare instance she did provide quality minutes, it was only a couple before opposing teams found a way and Lund her and rendered her completely ineffective.


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PostPosted: 05/17/18 6:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Uggghhhh! So they red of reading about Paris in the Dallas thread. Thought we were done with her. Pretty much everyone pointed to the 5 as dallas’ glaring Weakness for both years they were in Dallas. That kids nd of squarely falls on Courtney’s shoulders. As a season ticket holder , it’s nothing but frustration watching her. In the rare instance she did provide quality minutes, it was only a couple before opposing teams found a way and Lund her and rendered her completely ineffective.


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PostPosted: 05/18/18 5:55 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Yes Paris was a big reason (no pun intended) why Dallas defense was bad certainly in pick&roll situations. But come on lets not pretend that Glory and Diggins were any good either. Also having a coach who doesnt care about defense doesnt help



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The Wings have never played good defense, but I think it is the personnel, not Fred that is the problem. When Fred coached the Dream, they were one of the best, if not the best defensive teams in the WNBA. Dream had some good defensive players - Lyttle, Herrington, Angel, Erika, J. Thomas for ex. Dream made it to the finals on their defense not their offense.



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PostPosted: 05/18/18 6:56 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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The Wings have never played good defense, but I think it is the personnel, not Fred that is the problem. When Fred coached the Dream, they were one of the best, if not the best defensive teams in the WNBA. Dream had some good defensive players - Lyttle, Herrington, Angel, Erika, J. Thomas for ex. Dream made it to the finals on their defense not their offense.


I dont see any reason why Glory, Diggins, Powers couldnt be good defenders. Pretty athletic players. It is obvious that the team and those players preferred offense last season and outscore other teams. To me that is about mindset and that is up to the coach



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It could be more due to Meadors (and Ross) instilling the defensive emphasis on the old Dream. Given their lack of a half court game it was their best way to win games. The players themselves have to take some responsibility for it as well though. The Wings players don't ever seem to have done that. This year will be their chance to do so if they really want to be a contender.



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It could be more due to Meadors (and Ross) instilling the defensive emphasis on the old Dream. Given their lack of a half court game it was their best way to win games. The players themselves have to take some responsibility for it as well though. The Wings players don't ever seem to have done that. This year will be their chance to do so if they really want to be a contender.

Offense sells tickets, but defense wins championships. This squad will not know what a championship smells like until they embrace playing tough defense.



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per Twitter:

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DALLAS WINGS INJURY UPDATE

Dallas Wings forward Glory Johnson suffered a hamstring injury on Friday, May 18, and is expected to be out approximately 4 weeks.



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I just wanted to say "i LOVE liz , have since Day 1 never waivered" even if she does not retire a wing im so grateful! Shes the WNBA's version of "THE PROCESS" Trust the process people....Trust!



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My bucket list has decreased by one. I saw Bigfoot play a WNBA game. Very Happy



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My bucket list has decreased by one. I saw Bigfoot play a WNBA game. Very Happy


Laughing Laughing #TrustTheProcessa



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I just had a magical thought! If we play all year like we did tonight maybe we can get our shot at ................Yes im saying it PP's Laughing Laughing We can get a pick anywhere between 1-5 then draft either Durr or KLS then we wont be such a horrible perimeter shooting team right?......right Smile



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I just had a magical thought! If we play all year like we did tonight maybe we can get our shot at ................Yes im saying it PP's Laughing Laughing We can get a pick anywhere between 1-5 then draft either Durr or KLS then we wont be such a horrible perimeter shooting team right?......right Smile

If this squad does not make the playoffs then Fred should be fired the day after the season ends. Mad



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Rock Hard wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
I just had a magical thought! If we play all year like we did tonight maybe we can get our shot at ................Yes im saying it PP's Laughing Laughing We can get a pick anywhere between 1-5 then draft either Durr or KLS then we wont be such a horrible perimeter shooting team right?......right Smile

If this squad does not make the playoffs then Fred should be fired the day after the season ends. Mad

I agree. Too much talent for that type pf showing.


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Fighting Artichoke wrote:
Rock Hard wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
I just had a magical thought! If we play all year like we did tonight maybe we can get our shot at ................Yes im saying it PP's Laughing Laughing We can get a pick anywhere between 1-5 then draft either Durr or KLS then we wont be such a horrible perimeter shooting team right?......right Smile

If this squad does not make the playoffs then Fred should be fired the day after the season ends. Mad

I agree. Too much talent for that type pf showing.


Let's wait to judge until the Wings are 100%.



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toad455 wrote:
Fighting Artichoke wrote:
Rock Hard wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
I just had a magical thought! If we play all year like we did tonight maybe we can get our shot at ................Yes im saying it PP's Laughing Laughing We can get a pick anywhere between 1-5 then draft either Durr or KLS then we wont be such a horrible perimeter shooting team right?......right Smile

If this squad does not make the playoffs then Fred should be fired the day after the season ends. Mad

I agree. Too much talent for that type pf showing.


Let's wait to judge until the Wings are 100%.

Rockhard gave the important qualifier "If this squad does not make the playoffs". We aren't lynching Fred yet. But if the Wings don't even make the playoffs this season (barring serious injury issues), it would hard to keep him at the helm.


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They should let go of him even if he makes the playoffs.
ATL let him go after losing the 2013(?) Finals. They probably figured out he wasn’t the main reason they made it to the finals. Only thing is... you gotta find somebody that’s for sure better than him. Don’t pull another Cooper out of the hat. Would Lieberman be interested and would she be any better? Just one idea, not saying it was a great one.



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They should let go of him even if he makes the playoffs.
ATL let him go after losing the 2013(?) Finals. They probably figured out he wasn’t the main reason they made it to the finals. Only thing is... you gotta find somebody that’s for sure better than him. Don’t pull another Cooper out of the hat. Would Lieberman be interested and would she be any better? Just one idea, not saying it was a great one.


No we dont want Lieberman , too much lockeroom drama that comes along with her. That would most defintiely be a step in the wrong direction.



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WNBA 09 wrote:
Shades wrote:
They should let go of him even if he makes the playoffs.
ATL let him go after losing the 2013(?) Finals. They probably figured out he wasn’t the main reason they made it to the finals. Only thing is... you gotta find somebody that’s for sure better than him. Don’t pull another Cooper out of the hat. Would Lieberman be interested and would she be any better? Just one idea, not saying it was a great one.


No we dont want Lieberman , too much lockeroom drama that comes along with her. That would most defintiely be a step in the wrong direction.


Well then the people who think Williams should be replaced should also come with some ideas of who to replace him with.

It’s kinda like people who think the league needs expansion, but are too lazy to identify good owners. We don’t need ideas for expansion club cities. We need ideas for expansion club owners.

The pattern lately seems to hire an WNBA assistant, and I guess that hasn’t worked too badly. Shelly Patterson always seems to fly under the radar. Surely she absorbed a ton from Reeve and the organization in 8 years.



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Shades wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Shades wrote:
They should let go of him even if he makes the playoffs.
ATL let him go after losing the 2013(?) Finals. They probably figured out he wasn’t the main reason they made it to the finals. Only thing is... you gotta find somebody that’s for sure better than him. Don’t pull another Cooper out of the hat. Would Lieberman be interested and would she be any better? Just one idea, not saying it was a great one.


No we dont want Lieberman , too much lockeroom drama that comes along with her. That would most defintiely be a step in the wrong direction.


Well then the people who think Williams should be replaced should also come with some ideas of who to replace him with.

It’s kinda like people who think the league needs expansion, but are too lazy to identify good owners. We don’t need ideas for expansion club cities. We need ideas for expansion club owners.

The pattern lately seems to hire an WNBA assistant, and I guess that hasn’t worked too badly. Shelly Patterson always seems to fly under the radar. Surely she absorbed a ton from Reeve and the organization in 8 years.


I for one am ok with fred for now , i just want PP's Laughing Laughing



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WNBA 09 wrote:
Shades wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Shades wrote:
They should let go of him even if he makes the playoffs.
ATL let him go after losing the 2013(?) Finals. They probably figured out he wasn’t the main reason they made it to the finals. Only thing is... you gotta find somebody that’s for sure better than him. Don’t pull another Cooper out of the hat. Would Lieberman be interested and would she be any better? Just one idea, not saying it was a great one.


No we dont want Lieberman , too much lockeroom drama that comes along with her. That would most defintiely be a step in the wrong direction.


Well then the people who think Williams should be replaced should also come with some ideas of who to replace him with.

It’s kinda like people who think the league needs expansion, but are too lazy to identify good owners. We don’t need ideas for expansion club cities. We need ideas for expansion club owners.

The pattern lately seems to hire an WNBA assistant, and I guess that hasn’t worked too badly. Shelly Patterson always seems to fly under the radar. Surely she absorbed a ton from Reeve and the organization in 8 years.


I for one am ok with fred for now , i just want PP's Laughing Laughing

But what if the PP's turn into Ahkators and Zahui B's? Sometimes later picks came out just fine (Sykes and Davis).


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Fighting Artichoke wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Shades wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Shades wrote:
They should let go of him even if he makes the playoffs.
ATL let him go after losing the 2013(?) Finals. They probably figured out he wasn’t the main reason they made it to the finals. Only thing is... you gotta find somebody that’s for sure better than him. Don’t pull another Cooper out of the hat. Would Lieberman be interested and would she be any better? Just one idea, not saying it was a great one.


No we dont want Lieberman , too much lockeroom drama that comes along with her. That would most defintiely be a step in the wrong direction.


Well then the people who think Williams should be replaced should also come with some ideas of who to replace him with.

It’s kinda like people who think the league needs expansion, but are too lazy to identify good owners. We don’t need ideas for expansion club cities. We need ideas for expansion club owners.

The pattern lately seems to hire an WNBA assistant, and I guess that hasn’t worked too badly. Shelly Patterson always seems to fly under the radar. Surely she absorbed a ton from Reeve and the organization in 8 years.


I for one am ok with fred for now , i just want PP's Laughing Laughing

But what if the PP's turn into Ahkators and Zahui B's? Sometimes later picks came out just fine (Sykes and Davis).


2011 - Cambage #2
2012 - Glory # 4
2013 - Skylar # 3
2014 - Odyssey # 3
2015 - Zahii B # 2
2016 - Powers # 5
2017 - Akhator/Gray/Davis # 3 # 4 # 10
2018 - Stephens # 6
That's a lot of years of high picks. We should be doing better than this. It is the nature of sports to axe the coach when a team loses too much. What is too much?




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With the return of Cambage to Dallas a losing record would be unacceptable. Management should fire Fred if this squad loses more than seventeen games.



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Great point by Shades on who's out there better than Williams ...

Same thing with refs, backup point guards and so on down the line. It's one thing to say someone isn't good enough and should be replaced; but it's not a complete statement unless you say who be the replacement.



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Great point by Shades on who's out there better than Williams ...

Same thing with refs, backup point guards and so on down the line. It's one thing to say someone isn't good enough and should be replaced; but it's not a complete statement unless you say who be the replacement.


Cooper was thought by some to be better than Fred and he was a COY. Ross is a good defensive minded coach and also a COY so she might be better. Perhaps the best situation would be for Fred to hire Ross as assistant coach for defense like Meadors did. (May not interest Ross, of course.) Boucek won a championship though it is debatable whether she is better than Fred.



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COY often times is a most-improved team award, whether the coach really deserves most of the credit or not.

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I’m wondering if you’re confusing Boucek with Donovan.

I think Donovan gets a bit of a bad rap, maybe because of her RBF. The core of the CON team was built by her. Now Miller reaps the benefits.



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COY often times is a most-improved team award, whether the coach really deserves most of the credit or not.

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Boucek won a championship though it is debatable whether she is better than Fred.


I’m wondering if you’re confusing Boucek with Donovan.

I think Donovan gets a bit of a bad rap, maybe because of her RBF. The core of the CON team was built by her. Now Miller reaps the benefits.


I was thinking about Boucek, but I was wrong her winning a 'ship. I was thinking Sacromento won it with her, but it was Whiz, yet another name that is out there. Better than Fred? I didn't include Donovan either, and I suppose there is some argument to be made she is better than Fred, though I wouldn't know. These are all pretty much the usual suspects, though for one reason or another, none of them may be interested, available or an improvement. There are probably some I forgot. TBH - none of these names really would excite me were I a WFFL.



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1.Carol Ross-4th highest regular season win% of all-time....644(58-32)...High expectations got Ross fired.

Ross Record:
2012:24-10
2013:24-10
2014:10-12

Ross got fired with a 10-12 record after back to back 24 win seasons.

2.Ann Donovan-Great post player coach...Liz would greatly benefit from having Ann as a HC.

3.Eric Thibault...Son of Mike Thibault...has 10 years experience as a wnba assistant coach.He's paid his dues.

If Dallas does not make the playoffs Fred should get the AX....Standing Pat would be asinine...Fred's record as Tulsa/Dallas HC is 58-81...This is Fred's 5th season as Shock/Wings HC....How much rope should Fred be given?


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Retreads haven’t been doing all that well. Assistant coaches are in vogue.



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Probably because they don' command the high salaries, and I think people are just tired of the usual suspects.



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PostPosted: 05/25/18 10:39 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Carol Ross is a reasonable choice, but remember, the only coach since 1994 not to win a gold for USA is Anne Donovan.

And when Donovan won in Seattle, Boucek was an assistant -- and sometimes people who are very good assistants are not necessarily good head coaches. When Boucek left, Seattle did not do as well.

What's Ross doing now?



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I thought Taj was brought in to improve the Wings defense. For that matter, Erin Phillips played on some strong defensive teams over her career. I don't think there's a lack of knowledge on the bench. It's either a matter of philosophy or a lack of will.

It does seem to me that the Wings half-court perimeter defense is better since Taj got there. Last year, the interior defense remained a problem and there was also the crappy transition defense. The interior defense should be better this year with Cambage protecting the rim. As for the transition defense, we discussed it on previous threads. Tulsa/Dallas loves crashing the offensive boards rather than getting back on defense. The Shock/Wings have led the league in offensive rebounding for the last three years and they were second in 2014. That to me is a strategic choice. Fred can just change his mind and decide that getting back on defense is more important than O-boards. Then, make the players do it.



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PostPosted: 05/25/18 11:04 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Probably because they don' command the high salaries, and I think people are just tired of the usual suspects.


By “not doing well” I was talking about results. Although Donovan built a great core in CON, upper management was about a year too impatient with her for her to reap the benefits. Cooper in ATL was a failure. Williams has been underperforming. Laimbeer, we’ll see... off to a disappointing start. Thibault was meh before adding Delle Donne. Now he’s a little above meh maybe.

How about Bobby Kelsey? The Sparks organization have been producing head coaches lately. Surprised



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Gotta start looking deeper into these picks and see through hype which doesn't show that a player has smarts. If you don't have smarts and have never been pushed to play scout defense, they will not do well in the W. Players who have been with teams playing zone have even less of a chance.


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I can't emphasize enough how little a carryover there is from playing to coaching. Being a very good defender is one thing; teaching that to someone else is quite another.

Coaching is teaching, and teaching is a difficult skill in and of itself.

I'm not saying players can't be good coaches -- but assuming a very good player will be a very good coach is a risky proposition, and the whole "mentoring" thing is often just a fantasy.



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PostPosted: 05/25/18 12:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Expecting, say, me to be able to offer an exceptional repacement coaching candidate is rather different from just saying that a team ought to be able to find an upgrade if they just fire their coach and put a mild amount of effort into finding someone new. Plus, if I'd said Connecticut should fire Anne Donovan and bring in this Curt Miller guy, most people would've said "Who?" There are coaches out there if you happen to find them and hit on the right one. When someone's been in charge of a team for four years and had a bottom-two defense in every single one, maybe you should give someone else a shot.

Some of us felt that Fred Williams should've been fired a year (or two) ago, but now that they've kept him I would slide the other way and suggest people don't panic. They've played three freaking games, and the ones they lost were on the road against two teams expected to be amongst the best in the league. Nothing's on fire just yet.



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PostPosted: 05/25/18 12:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
I can't emphasize enough how little a carryover there is from playing to coaching. Being a very good defender is one thing; teaching that to someone else is quite another.

Coaching is teaching, and teaching is a difficult skill in and of itself.

I'm not saying players can't be good coaches -- but assuming a very good player will be a very good coach is a risky proposition, and the whole "mentoring" thing is often just a fantasy.


I'm not assuming anything. There are some players who are natural talents who figure things out intuitively. They often can't communicate what they do to anyone else. Then there are those who had to work and grind their way to success. Taj went to a Division II or III school. She also got pregnant along the way. Her journey required a lot of decision-making and planning. She also had to bust her butt as well as use her brains. In addition, Taj had an unusually long career, which again requires discipline and resourcefulness. Meanwhile, this isn't her first stint as a coach. She spent a year with NY and I seem to remember there was some college experience in there too. Phillips was a journeyman player, who bounced around -- again needing to be smart and resourceful. Dallas initially made her the player development coach precisely because she communicates well. These are the types of players who usually succeed at coaching. As to whether they can actually pull it off, we'll have to see, Right now, the Wings are fifth in defensive rating so technically they're improved based on a small sample size. To be honest, I haven't focused on them yet this season. In the partial games I've seen, what really grabbed my attention was their disjointed offense. On paper, the Wings have a lot of firepower. However, it's clear that they still have a lot of work to do in terms of integrating the pieces.



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PostPosted: 05/25/18 2:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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COY often times is a most-improved team award, whether the coach really deserves most of the credit or not.


And, COY is often times a best team award, whether the coach really deserves most of the credit or not.


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PostPosted: 05/25/18 2:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Good point.


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PostPosted: 05/25/18 3:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

No, that doesn’t sound right. Reeve won the year the Lynx went from the lottery to championship (Maya effect). She’s only won once since then. I suspect there wasn’t a greatly improved team in 2016, so they decided to default to one of the best teams. Reeve was overdue for another one.



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PostPosted: 05/25/18 4:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Current coach stats (plus Cooper because his name gets mentioned):
Agler. 14yrs. .549 win% 9yrs playoffs
Brondello. 5yrs .574. 5yrs
Chatman. 7yrs. .481. 4yrs
Hughes. 16yrs. .453. 10yrs
Laimbeer. 13yrs. .573. 9yrs
Miller. 2yrs. .545. 1yr
Reeve. 8yrs. .716. 7yrs
Stocks. 1yr. .353. 0yrs
Thibault. 15yrs. .566. 12yrs
Williams. 9yrs. .460. 4yrs
Cooper. 12yrs. .592. 8yrs
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PostPosted: 05/25/18 4:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

zune69 wrote:
1.Carol Ross-4th highest regular season win% of all-time....644(58-32)...High expectations got Ross fired.

Ross Record:
2012:24-10
2013:24-10
2014:10-12

Ross got fired with a 10-12 record after back to back 24 win seasons.

2.Ann Donovan-Great post player coach...Liz would greatly benefit from having Ann as a HC.

3.Eric Thibault...Son of Mike Thibault...has 10 years experience as a wnba assistant coach.He's paid his dues.

If Dallas does not make the playoffs Fred should get the AX....Standing Pat would be asinine...Fred's record as Tulsa/Dallas HC is 58-81...This is Fred's 5th season as Shock/Wings HC....How much rope should Fred be given?


Zune you must be fed up with Fred!!! Laughing


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