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PostPosted: 03/07/18 2:18 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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WNBA 09 wrote:
Nerd2 wrote:
Luuuc wrote:
#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
Liz will have her chance to prove it on the floor this year, outside of Charles, BG and big Sly I don't think other teams will have an answer for her, I can't see Jones or Stewart will be able to stop her.

The thing is though, she won't be able to stop them either.
Liz can be a beast when she gets going, but she is prone to being exploited at the other end too. She's far from nimble as a defender, and she can't resist shot block attempts. I expect both of those factors to regularly land her in hot water against the quicker, more skilled, and smarter opponents she will face in the WNBA.


When I saw her play in the WNBA in 2013 she looked great. She hasn't really been in that condition since she hurt herself in 2014. So much of what I saw in the last year or two seemed to be her being too slow to get to where she needed to be and fouling as a result. If she is using this time off to get in great condition, she can compete with the absolute best. If not, she is going to get in foul trouble quickly.


Thanks nerd ill look for you once the season begins Laughing Liz is the best player period in my opinion aand you cant change that sorry its MY opinion.The same for Bibb, Im so excited this shall be fun.


Please look for me here and not on L chat.


I dont understand the abbreviation about Liz but i stated i will look for you once the season begins. Thanks nerd !



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WNBA 09 wrote:
Nerd2 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Nerd2 wrote:
Luuuc wrote:
#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
Liz will have her chance to prove it on the floor this year, outside of Charles, BG and big Sly I don't think other teams will have an answer for her, I can't see Jones or Stewart will be able to stop her.

The thing is though, she won't be able to stop them either.
Liz can be a beast when she gets going, but she is prone to being exploited at the other end too. She's far from nimble as a defender, and she can't resist shot block attempts. I expect both of those factors to regularly land her in hot water against the quicker, more skilled, and smarter opponents she will face in the WNBA.


When I saw her play in the WNBA in 2013 she looked great. She hasn't really been in that condition since she hurt herself in 2014. So much of what I saw in the last year or two seemed to be her being too slow to get to where she needed to be and fouling as a result. If she is using this time off to get in great condition, she can compete with the absolute best. If not, she is going to get in foul trouble quickly.


Thanks nerd ill look for you once the season begins Laughing Liz is the best player period in my opinion aand you cant change that sorry its MY opinion.The same for Bibb, Im so excited this shall be fun.


Please look for me here and not on L chat.


I dont understand the abbreviation about Liz but i stated i will look for you once the season begins. Thanks nerd !


I can grab screen caps if you'd like to refresh your memory.


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Yeah, it was made as a marketing statement and a I think he exaggerated, but I don't see it as a huge stretch and he has the unknown on his side since she hasn't played in the WNBA since 2013 when she was 21/22 (what would be a college player's rookie WNBA year) and was 16.3ppg/8.3 rpg in 25 minutes on a bad team. And she's never played in the European leagues where the WNBA elite congregates for big bucks.


So you don't think it's a stretch to call her the best player in the world yet you provide tons of evidence that she's done absolutely nothing worthy of staking the claim. She has won a WNBL championship/MVP in 2011 and a bronze medal in the 2012 Olympics. That's it. Nothing at any other stop. What you are arguing is that she has great potential - and she does. But you'll excuse the rest of us for believing that you can't be the best player in the world if you haven't led your team to some hardware.


She will be playing in 2018 in Dallas. I don't see that citing her 2013 statistics - five years ago - from when she would have been a (21/22 year old) rookie per the US college player schedule, is "tons of evidence" with regard to her current ability. Nor is talking about where she hasn't played evidence for or against what might be her current ability versus other WNBA players. What you could challenge is "lack of evidence", but that applies to both sides. No one is citing her Chinese league or WNBL or Olympic stats to build a case on either side (apart from you talking about her TEAM records).

The idea that in a team sport a player is only the best if their team wins the championship seems to miss the "team" in team sport. Tamika Catchings is the only player in WNBA history to lead a team that would be considered notably or arguably inferior to one or more opponents in the playoffs by a large majority of fans, to a championship (and even that was probably dependent on Douglas getting hurt in the Division Finals). And I don't recall a significant amount of people (I actually don't recall anyone) touting Tamika Catchings as the greatest player in the league during any point in her career. And even then, I don't know that being the best player on the team should give Catchings the credit for the victory - which really seemed to only begin in the deciding Sun/Fever game when Douglas went down. All the Indiana starters played well in the finals. I don't know how we determine how much credit to give to Catchings. The "lead her team to a championship" is something only Catchings should be up to get points from. But it is used as a convenience by people trying to denigrate a player like Parker (or Cambage), or praise a player like Moore.




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Nerd2 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Nerd2 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Nerd2 wrote:
Luuuc wrote:
#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
Liz will have her chance to prove it on the floor this year, outside of Charles, BG and big Sly I don't think other teams will have an answer for her, I can't see Jones or Stewart will be able to stop her.

The thing is though, she won't be able to stop them either.
Liz can be a beast when she gets going, but she is prone to being exploited at the other end too. She's far from nimble as a defender, and she can't resist shot block attempts. I expect both of those factors to regularly land her in hot water against the quicker, more skilled, and smarter opponents she will face in the WNBA.


When I saw her play in the WNBA in 2013 she looked great. She hasn't really been in that condition since she hurt herself in 2014. So much of what I saw in the last year or two seemed to be her being too slow to get to where she needed to be and fouling as a result. If she is using this time off to get in great condition, she can compete with the absolute best. If not, she is going to get in foul trouble quickly.


Thanks nerd ill look for you once the season begins Laughing Liz is the best player period in my opinion aand you cant change that sorry its MY opinion.The same for Bibb, Im so excited this shall be fun.


Please look for me here and not on L chat.


I dont understand the abbreviation about Liz but i stated i will look for you once the season begins. Thanks nerd !


I can grab screen caps if you'd like to refresh your memory.


Yes please do because your sounding a bit weird



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Luuuc wrote:
#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
Liz will have her chance to prove it on the floor this year, outside of Charles, BG and big Sly I don't think other teams will have an answer for her, I can't see Jones or Stewart will be able to stop her.

The thing is though, she won't be able to stop them either.
Liz can be a beast when she gets going, but she is prone to being exploited at the other end too. She's far from nimble as a defender, and she can't resist shot block attempts. I expect both of those factors to regularly land her in hot water against the quicker, more skilled, and smarter opponents she will face in the WNBA.


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Also, @Nerd2's comment about Liz's conditioning is an important point also.
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So much of what I saw in the last year or two seemed to be her being too slow to get to where she needed to be and fouling as a result.

It has always been a sticking point with me.
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They don't always count all of the fouls in the WNBA though. It's a mash or smash league.



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They don't always count all of the fouls in the WNBA though. It's a mash or smash league.

They don't, but if you are a big you have to be clever about them. Take Griner and how often she gets into foul trouble.



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Thought I’d kick up a depth chart again for Dallas, since who they pick at #6 may have a domino effect on the rest of the first round. Do they pick best available even though it’s not a strong need, or do they fortify their need?

Diggins-Smith/Chong
AGray/Davis
Christmas-Kelly/Powers
GJohnson/Thornton/Akhator
Cambage/Lewis

#6, #18, #30

Dallas didn’t make any extra signings of new players. They just signed players already on the roster.

Any word on Hamblin returning? That could be a factor in any decisions.

Plaisance - Signed multi-year deal but guessing full season suspension for her. A bit surprising they’d sign her to a multi-year while she’s seriously injured but they must rate her above a marginal player. She did step up at times last year.

I could see them wanting to give Akhator another year since she was such a high pick, and I believe Thornton proved herself worthy but I’ll fall short of calling her a lock.

So I guess that makes my most bubble players as Chong and Lewis.

As it is they could add a guard without cutting Chong, BUT does that necessarily mean they should add a guard at #6. They could add post (preferably C) at #6 and there still should be a decent guard (Goodwin? 20.6 ppg) available at #18. The posts available at #18 would most likely be of the garden variety like they already have in Lewis.... although I’m mildly intrigued by Kaylee Jensen who could be available, a big with some range on her shot (18.5 ppg).


I’m still waiting for the Sparks to clear up their guard situation. I’m thinking they’ll need to deal a couple of their guards for most likely future consideration. The Wings could conceivably bring back Riquna Williams for dirt cheap if that appeals to them. Carson? Wiese? Who’s going from the Sparks? Is Dabovic’s stock still high?



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Depending on who's available at #6...Trading down for a player & pick/future pick wouldn't be the worst move in the world.


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Depending on who's available at #6...Trading down for a player & pick/future pick wouldn't be the worst move in the world.


I don’t think I’d do Riquna Williams + #11 for #6. The Sparks have put themselves in a position where they’re forced to trade some players. Dallas should be able to keep #6 and get Riquna for dirt cheap, like maybe a 2019 third round pick.



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zune69 wrote:
Depending on who's available at #6...Trading down for a player & pick/future pick wouldn't be the worst move in the world.


I don’t think I’d do Riquna Williams + #11 for #6. The Sparks have put themselves in a position where they’re forced to trade some players. Dallas should be able to keep #6 and get Riquna for dirt cheap, like maybe a 2019 third round pick.


Not sure Williams is a good fit with this Dallas squad...There's only one basketball to go around.


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zune69 wrote:
Shades wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Depending on who's available at #6...Trading down for a player & pick/future pick wouldn't be the worst move in the world.


I don’t think I’d do Riquna Williams + #11 for #6. The Sparks have put themselves in a position where they’re forced to trade some players. Dallas should be able to keep #6 and get Riquna for dirt cheap, like maybe a 2019 third round pick.


Not sure Williams is a good fit with this Dallas squad...There's only one basketball to go around.


Lets remember fred let her walk , i doubt she wants to comeback and we dont need her back at all . #6 will be spent on a post unless something unforseen takes place with the picks above us . Our team has the depth now to really use the pick wherever. Lewis should be a goner and i vote to keep chong as shes reliable in the backcourt . Well she was at least last season .



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WNBA 09 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Shades wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Depending on who's available at #6...Trading down for a player & pick/future pick wouldn't be the worst move in the world.


I don’t think I’d do Riquna Williams + #11 for #6. The Sparks have put themselves in a position where they’re forced to trade some players. Dallas should be able to keep #6 and get Riquna for dirt cheap, like maybe a 2019 third round pick.


Not sure Williams is a good fit with this Dallas squad...There's only one basketball to go around.


Lets remember fred let her walk , i doubt she wants to comeback and we dont need her back at all . #6 will be spent on a post unless something unforseen takes place with the picks above us . Our team has the depth now to really use the pick wherever. Lewis should be a goner and i vote to keep chong as shes reliable in the backcourt . Well she was at least last season .


Deshields and Canada will more than likely be off the board.....I'm starting to think that Vivians,Brown,or Billings will be Dallas' pick.


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zune69 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Shades wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Depending on who's available at #6...Trading down for a player & pick/future pick wouldn't be the worst move in the world.


I don’t think I’d do Riquna Williams + #11 for #6. The Sparks have put themselves in a position where they’re forced to trade some players. Dallas should be able to keep #6 and get Riquna for dirt cheap, like maybe a 2019 third round pick.


Not sure Williams is a good fit with this Dallas squad...There's only one basketball to go around.


Lets remember fred let her walk , i doubt she wants to comeback and we dont need her back at all . #6 will be spent on a post unless something unforseen takes place with the picks above us . Our team has the depth now to really use the pick wherever. Lewis should be a goner and i vote to keep chong as shes reliable in the backcourt . Well she was at least last season .


Deshields and Canada will more than likely be off the board.....I'm starting to think that Vivians,Brown,or Billings will be Dallas' pick.


Vivians no , Brown no , Billings maybeeeeee. Russell Likely ....



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WNBA 09 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Shades wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Depending on who's available at #6...Trading down for a player & pick/future pick wouldn't be the worst move in the world.


I don’t think I’d do Riquna Williams + #11 for #6. The Sparks have put themselves in a position where they’re forced to trade some players. Dallas should be able to keep #6 and get Riquna for dirt cheap, like maybe a 2019 third round pick.


Not sure Williams is a good fit with this Dallas squad...There's only one basketball to go around.


Lets remember fred let her walk , i doubt she wants to comeback and we dont need her back at all . #6 will be spent on a post unless something unforseen takes place with the picks above us . Our team has the depth now to really use the pick wherever. Lewis should be a goner and i vote to keep chong as shes reliable in the backcourt . Well she was at least last season .


Deshields and Canada will more than likely be off the board.....I'm starting to think that Vivians,Brown,or Billings will be Dallas' pick.


Vivians no , Brown no , Billings maybeeeeee. Russell Likely ....


Does the Dallas fans want to see Russell as they're pick? Just curious. I'm a Tennessee fan and was unimpressed with her effort and production this season. Felt she could've averaged a dbl dbl. I think with the right coach she could be a good player with time, but idk if Fred is the coach. Dallas could use a serviceable back up post though. 🤔



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hangtyme24 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Shades wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Depending on who's available at #6...Trading down for a player & pick/future pick wouldn't be the worst move in the world.


I don’t think I’d do Riquna Williams + #11 for #6. The Sparks have put themselves in a position where they’re forced to trade some players. Dallas should be able to keep #6 and get Riquna for dirt cheap, like maybe a 2019 third round pick.


Not sure Williams is a good fit with this Dallas squad...There's only one basketball to go around.


Lets remember fred let her walk , i doubt she wants to comeback and we dont need her back at all . #6 will be spent on a post unless something unforseen takes place with the picks above us . Our team has the depth now to really use the pick wherever. Lewis should be a goner and i vote to keep chong as shes reliable in the backcourt . Well she was at least last season .


Deshields and Canada will more than likely be off the board.....I'm starting to think that Vivians,Brown,or Billings will be Dallas' pick.


Vivians no , Brown no , Billings maybeeeeee. Russell Likely ....


Does the Dallas fans want to see Russell as they're pick? Just curious. I'm a Tennessee fan and was unimpressed with her effort and production this season. Felt she could've averaged a dbl dbl. I think with the right coach she could be a good player with time, but idk if Fred is the coach. Dallas could use a serviceable back up post though. 🤔


Honestly shes our best option for our style of player. We dont expect nor need her to average a double double , but she kind of fills a void with having offensive power from the bench and at least a minority portion of rebounding. I dont see a better option at this point , I know people were high on Gulich but i dont see it .



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Russell and Cambage would be two players who were exclusively 5's. I don't think there are many teams who have that.


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zune69 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Shades wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Depending on who's available at #6...Trading down for a player & pick/future pick wouldn't be the worst move in the world.


I don’t think I’d do Riquna Williams + #11 for #6. The Sparks have put themselves in a position where they’re forced to trade some players. Dallas should be able to keep #6 and get Riquna for dirt cheap, like maybe a 2019 third round pick.


Not sure Williams is a good fit with this Dallas squad...There's only one basketball to go around.


Lets remember fred let her walk , i doubt she wants to comeback and we dont need her back at all . #6 will be spent on a post unless something unforseen takes place with the picks above us . Our team has the depth now to really use the pick wherever. Lewis should be a goner and i vote to keep chong as shes reliable in the backcourt . Well she was at least last season .


Deshields and Canada will more than likely be off the board.....I'm starting to think that Vivians,Brown,or Billings will be Dallas' pick.


Wouldn’t mind seeing the wings offer Powers and the #6 pick to the Sky for the 4th pick and taking Williams, she would fit in nicely with the wings and eventually start at small forward.
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Wouldn’t mind seeing the wings offer Powers and the #6 pick to the Sky for the 4th pick and taking Williams, she would fit in nicely with the wings and eventually start at small forward.

Their floor spacing is already pretty cramped with Gray and Johnson being mediocre (at best) from outside, though. That only gets worse if you add a non-shooter like Williams at the 3 (and it's already going to be tighter this season without Plaisance).

Much as an alternative to Cambage for the next time she gets hurt or doesn't show up would be nice, someone who can actually shoot to join Diggins on the perimeter wouldn't hurt, either. I doubt they reach at #6 for someone that no one else would take before about #11.



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#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
zune69 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Shades wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Depending on who's available at #6...Trading down for a player & pick/future pick wouldn't be the worst move in the world.


I don’t think I’d do Riquna Williams + #11 for #6. The Sparks have put themselves in a position where they’re forced to trade some players. Dallas should be able to keep #6 and get Riquna for dirt cheap, like maybe a 2019 third round pick.


Not sure Williams is a good fit with this Dallas squad...There's only one basketball to go around.


Lets remember fred let her walk , i doubt she wants to comeback and we dont need her back at all . #6 will be spent on a post unless something unforseen takes place with the picks above us . Our team has the depth now to really use the pick wherever. Lewis should be a goner and i vote to keep chong as shes reliable in the backcourt . Well she was at least last season .


Deshields and Canada will more than likely be off the board.....I'm starting to think that Vivians,Brown,or Billings will be Dallas' pick.


Wouldn’t mind seeing the wings offer Powers and the #6 pick to the Sky for the 4th pick and taking Williams, she would fit in nicely with the wings and eventually start at small forward.


Trade Powers whos proven she can play and score at this level and our 1st rd pick for #4 aka Gabby? Laughing Laughing Id rather have #6 straight Up. If anything We can just take Vivians at worst.



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Is Plaisance out for the season? I know she tore her ACL in OCT, but they also gave her a new contract, is there any chance she is available in 2018?

If not would drafting Russell at 6 and Atkins at 18 be a best case scenario?

You would end up with

Diggins/Chong
Gray/Davis/Atkins
Christmas-Kelly/Powers
Johnson/Thorton/Akhator
Cambage/Russell

If not Atkins at 18 other options could be S. Thomas, Scaife, McCarty, Goodwyn, Flahrety, M. Williams.

you could also flip and go best available at #6 (if you don't think it is Russell) Vivians, Canada, L. Brown, Nurse and post at 18 Gulich (maybe?) Mavunga, Jensen, Bultler, though after listing the options I would probably go with the Russell at #6 and best perimeter at #18. Though it does bring up who is better Billings or Russell? Russell is bigger and more polished on the offensive end but could Billings as a high energy physical player be a better fit for the Wings? I like Billings better, but I might take Russell with the idea that as Cambage's back up you can bring her along slowly 10-15 minute a night at first and develop her much higher ceiling over a couple of seasons.

Now if you did grab say Vivians at #6, you could try to upgrade your post spot by trading a wing, what back up Center could you get for say Davis? J. Hamson, Achonwa, Cheyenne Parker, A. Robinson, Vaughn? They're not great but they are all a little better/more experienced than Lewis IMO, and that is all you really need while you have Cambage. Or target someone like Stokes, Coates or Stafford-McGhee which I think might cost a little more, maybe Christmas and #18 (and signed cored players have to agree to the trade I believe) or Powers or A. Gray straight up (which is probably too much to give up, but you would have Vivians to replace them).


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I don't think anyone's said anything official about Plaisance. The Wings completely ignored the injury when they announced they were re-signing her, as far as I know, so it's up in the air.

J-Spoon wrote:
If not would drafting Russell at 6 and Atkins at 18 be a best case scenario?

But if you took the specific teams out of the equation - it was just Random Team A picking first, Team B second etc. - where is Russell going? Is it even in the first round? Because outside of a couple of people following the "Can't Teach Height" mantra, or who just think Tennessee is such a cesspool that anyone will improve when they escape, I haven't seen anyone excited about getting Russell. There has to be some 6-5 stiff kicking around somewhere if the only reason to take her that high is "we need someone tall". If you think she's genuinely good, fine, take her at #6; otherwise, take someone else with actual talent, and find a backup big somewhere else. Reaching for a post is how they ended up with Akhator last season.

And I don't expect Atkins to still be there at 18.



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Russell's still their best option at #6 and clearly better than Akhator, Lewis & Thornton. So even with Plaisance, Russell is an upgrade with who's on their bench already.



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Billings' transition speed,and versatility on defense > Russell.


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I wouldn't write off Lewis yet. She's having a nice season in Europe.



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Billings' transition speed,and versatility on defense > Russell.


Billings is not a WNBA center.



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Billings' transition speed,and versatility on defense > Russell.


Billings is not a WNBA center.


I never called Billings a center...

Dallas will need an extra mobile post when the play seattle,LA,etc...


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Shades wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Billings' transition speed,and versatility on defense > Russell.


Billings is not a WNBA center.


I never called Billings a center...


They need a center. Who’s going to backup Cambage? You want to keep garden variety Lewis so Glory Johnson has a backup? Thornton and Akhator should suffice to backup Johnson. Even Powers is scrappy enough for a few minutes if need be at PF.

Of course, if Hamblin comes back this season and her head is on straight, I could see Dallas going guard with their first pick. Hamblin is the key for me. Hamblin will probably be on the Canadian national team so that could be a factor. Nayo already took the season off for the Canadian national team. Plaisance is a non-factor this season. Dallas would be crazy to hold a spot for Plaisance (and restricting their roster to 11) in the hopes that she would be better by playoff time or whatever.

If Hamblin is not a factor this season, then I like them going big with #6... not PF. If Vadeeva says she wants to play in the WNBA, then she too might come into play, but that’d be yet another international player at center (Cambage, Zahui, Hamblin, Vadeeva... at least Zahui showed up). It might be time for Dallas to go American at center. That would leave Gulich out too... she’s German despite whatever misguidance you may have read.

I don’t think the disaster which is the Tennessee women’s basketball program should be blamed on Russell or Nared, but maybe you could blame DeShields a little Wink Naw, I would say it’s mostly Warlick’s fault but they are having a difficult time completely letting go of the Summitt era and starting fresh.

If you can get the #1 prospect out of high school who is also 6’7, I don’t think you pass on that. You need that kind of height in this era of Fowles, Cambage, Griner, and soon to be Brown and McCowan.

To me, Russell + Goodwin >> Lexie Brown + Kaylee Jensen, and I really like Lexie Brown. She’s probably more naturally skilled than Diggins, but Diggins really puts in the work. Everyone seems to be ignoring Goodwin but she’ll be a second round gem.

Adding Vivians doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. It’s nice to have big guards, but Dallas would have three of them slotted at SG alone. I think they should mix it up by adding another combo guard.



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It's hard to imagine Hamblin being a factor in any season. She scored 8 ppg for a mid-pack team in Australia this winter (summer there) and her 2016 campaign in Dallas was only marginally better than what Breanna Lewis did for them last year.



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This Billings vs McCowan picture kinda reminds me of the Akhator vs Russell pics I posted.




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Shades wrote:
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Billings' transition speed,and versatility on defense > Russell.


Billings is not a WNBA center.


I never called Billings a center...

Dallas will need an extra mobile post when the play seattle,LA,etc...


We can slide Thornton over and play small ball with her at the 4 . Billings is not the answer , i was high on her at the beginning of the year but ive settled to realize our best option is Russell at 6. Glad no one is high on her , because we are.



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It's hard to imagine Hamblin being a factor in any season. She scored 8 ppg for a mid-pack team in Australia this winter (summer there) and her 2016 campaign in Dallas was only marginally better than what Breanna Lewis did for them last year.


Exactly , Hamlin is not the key nor will she ever be for the dallas wings. She literally was our worst player 2 years ago . Could not keep up with the skill level in the W and was a liability on defense . I even heard grumbles of our organization actually coming up with the idea for hamlin to stay over seas for a season . Russell < Hamblin , Hell id rather keep lewis than Hamblin .



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It's hard to imagine Hamblin being a factor in any season. She scored 8 ppg for a mid-pack team in Australia this winter (summer there) and her 2016 campaign in Dallas was only marginally better than what Breanna Lewis did for them last year.


Exactly , Hamlin is not the key nor will she ever be for the dallas wings. She literally was our worst player 2 years ago . Could not keep up with the skill level in the W and was a liability on defense . I even heard grumbles of our organization actually coming up with the idea for hamlin to stay over seas for a season . Russell < Hamblin , Hell id rather keep lewis than Hamblin .


I read that online too. It was nothing but some fans' opinions.


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It's about having options shades...Cambage/Russell are both slow plotting centers.Billings would give Dallas a versatile post who can backup Johnson,or spell Cambage against teams that are smaller/faster at the 4/5 positions.Thorton is more of a 3/4,Billings is a 4/5.Had Dallas signed Cambage to a one year deal,i'd choose Russell over Billings.Fortunately for Dallas,Liz made a long-term commitment(by her standards)so Billings is the better option IMO.However,drafting a good shooting guard,or defensive wing might be the best option for Dallas(Gabby,Brown,Vivians,DeShields)

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We can slide Thornton over and play small ball with her at the 4 . Billings is not the answer , i was high on her at the beginning of the year but ive settled to realize our best option is Russell at 6. Glad no one is high on her , because we are.


I like Russell.I just don't like the idea of having two plotting centers on the roster.




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Hell id rather keep lewis than Hamblin .


Lewis is also on a not very good team in a not very good league this winter, but she's far and away the best player on the team. She's putting up 19 & 9 in Poland.



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Ruth Hamblin is filling in her time by joining an already established Tango Bourges team in France. I wonder if this fill-in time might be a sign that she’s not coming back to the WNBA, because she’d be playing non-stop. Why not take a break before the WNBA? She’s putting up nice percentages.



This chart has other interesting players.

I pointed out Marine Johannes to the sound of crickets in the free agent thread. She’s putting up impressive percentages although she doesn’t take a whole lot of shots.

Valerianne Ayayi was signed by the Aces this season.

Alexia Chartereau is eligible for this year’s draft, but her stats don’t look that impressive to me and I’ve never seen her play. The Lynx seem to be turning French because of the Wade connection, so I wouldn’t be surprised if the Lynx draft her really late.



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Hell id rather keep lewis than Hamblin .


Lewis is also on a not very good team in a not very good league this winter, but she's far and away the best player on the team. She's putting up 19 & 9 in Poland.


How is “not very good team in a not very good league” a selling point?
Fagbenle is putting up comparable stats in her better Polish team (EuroLeague worthy), but I’m still looking for competition for her.

Lewis is putting up 15.9 ppg, not 19 ppg, unless Eurobasket is off.



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How is “not very good team in a not very good league” a selling point?


In comparison to Hamblin, who played on a not very good team in a not very good league and wasn't close to being the best player on the team.



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There is always Morello. She did some of her best work when Fred was coaching.



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As a Dallas fan, then a Sky fan and an off-season Tenn fan I hope that neither of my teams end with Russell or DeShields. I am so over watching the low effort Russell. She is incapable of playing even seconds on back-to-back days. Let alone if she gets only48 hours between games. Take Gulich, take the UCLA girl, or he’ll take Morgan William and have her play center before selecting Russell.

As for the Sky, I cannot take another prima Donna, especially one that misses 3/4 of the circus shots that she thinks she can make.

Let’s get some early declarations!


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Let’s get some early declarations!

By my count, if any of the huge list of players who could declare decide that they want to, they have to do it by Monday (10 days before the draft). So we'll know soon.



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I'm hoping there are no early declares this year.



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I'm hoping there are no early declares this year.


There’s already at least one, but I’m not sure anybody cares that much. You’re probably talking about the group of 6 or so heavy hitters.

You’d rather be all in on the 2019 draft than improve your status slightly for 2018?

I’m still feeling a trade of #4 in 2018 for your first rounder in 2019. Do it Randy. You know you want to. McCoughtry and DeShields are a Dream team.



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Stevens would go #2 to Indiana. Collier #3 to Chicago.



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I'm hoping there are no early declares this year.


There’s already at least one, but I’m not sure anybody cares that much. You’re probably talking about the group of 6 or so heavy hitters.

You’d rather be all in on the 2019 draft than improve your status slightly for 2018?

I’m still feeling a trade of #4 in 2018 for your first rounder in 2019. Do it Randy. You know you want to. McCoughtry and DeShields are a Dream team.


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This Billings vs McCowan picture kinda reminds me of the Akhator vs Russell pics I posted.



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I'm hoping there are no early declares this year.


There’s already at least one, but I’m not sure anybody cares that much. You’re probably talking about the group of 6 or so heavy hitters.

You’d rather be all in on the 2019 draft than improve your status slightly for 2018?

I’m still feeling a trade of #4 in 2018 for your first rounder in 2019. Do it Randy. You know you want to. McCoughtry and DeShields are a Dream team.


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Stevens would go #2 to Indiana. Collier #3 to Chicago.


Stevens #2 Collier #4



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As a Dallas fan, then a Sky fan and an off-season Tenn fan I hope that neither of my teams end with Russell or DeShields. I am so over watching the low effort Russell. She is incapable of playing even seconds on back-to-back days. Let alone if she gets only48 hours between games. Take Gulich, take the UCLA girl, or he’ll take Morgan William and have her play center before selecting Russell.

As for the Sky, I cannot take another prima Donna, especially one that misses 3/4 of the circus shots that she thinks she can make.

Let’s get some early declarations!


Leave Gulich in the gutter . Russell can score and will not be required to give 30+ mins a game. We need as small of a dropoff as possible once Liz takes a breather. Russell is the closest i can see for that. Early declarer would be McCowan but i know she wouldn't drop to #6.



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