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PostPosted: 05/20/18 8:28 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Nice to hear they're looking at 10k for their home opener.


Yeah, but the same crystal ball says they’ll be the #6 seed in the playoffs. I don’t think this guy is exactly a Miss Cleo.



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PostPosted: 05/20/18 10:10 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Nice to hear they're looking at 10k for their home opener.


Actually, we have altered our configuration a bit, blocking off one end zone section as a back drop to a fan zone area, so we are more like 7500 to 8000 capacity now.

Looking good for a capacity crowd for the home opener though.


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PostPosted: 05/22/18 11:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I guess a good sign for the aces if possible Plum just landed im town!



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McBride and Plum have been "activated". Louis & Schimmel waived.



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PostPosted: 05/24/18 2:29 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Any chance Laimbeer decides to keep L. Allen as the starter and use Plum as instant offense at the 1 and 2 behind L. Allen and McBride?

L. Allen/Plum/Jefferson
McBride/Colson
Young/Nared
Wilson/Hamby
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PostPosted: 05/24/18 10:47 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Any chance Laimbeer decides to keep L. Allen as the starter and use Plum as instant offense at the 1 and 2 behind L. Allen and McBride?

L. Allen/Plum/Jefferson
McBride/Colson
Young/Nared
Wilson/Hamby
Swords/Bone/Park

That makes sense, as the second unit lacks scoring. Allen is more of a facilitator and Plum is more of a scorer. But I still think Plum gets a ton of minutes at PG before Jefferson returns.


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PostPosted: 05/24/18 10:53 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I have a hard time seeing Jefferson as third string PG, especially behind Allen and Plum.


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I have a hard time seeing Jefferson as third string PG, especially behind Allen and Plum.

I think J-Spoon was just putting her there as a place-holder because she's not playing at all, rather than suggesting that's where she'd end up once available.

As for Allen continuing to start, I could certainly see it in the short-term because Plum's never played under Laimbeer before. Allen's a pretty new arrival in Vegas, but she knows what Bill wants to run and how to run it. Doubt it holds long-term, though. This team has had so little shooting with their lineups so far, and while Allen's looked pretty good at what she does, Plum (and McBride, and Jefferson) adds a threat from outside that they desperately need.



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J-Spoon wrote:
Any chance Laimbeer decides to keep L. Allen as the starter and use Plum as instant offense at the 1 and 2 behind L. Allen and McBride?

L. Allen/Plum/Jefferson
McBride/Colson
Young/Nared
Wilson/Hamby
Swords/Bone/Park


Almost. No Colson, sub Coffey.

PG: Allen/Jefferson
SG: McBride/Plum
SF: Young/Nared
PF: Wilson/Coffey/Hamby
C: Swords/Park/Bone

Coffey did well at PF in their last game, so if Young starts at SF, I can see Coffey backing up Wilson at PF.



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Coffey did well at PF in their last game

Dunno when that was. Coffey's been playing the 3 almost exclusively so far this season, and looks all the better for it.



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PostPosted: 05/24/18 2:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I think J-Spoon was just putting her there as a place-holder because she's not playing at all, rather than suggesting that's where she'd end up once available.


Gotcha, because that threw me off a little bit. Laughing


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PostPosted: 05/27/18 11:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Any word on Jefferson? Timeline?


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toad455 wrote:
Coffey did well at PF in their last game

Dunno when that was. Coffey's been playing the 3 almost exclusively so far this season, and looks all the better for it.


Coffey's looking close to all star quality. Last year she looked tentative and this year is throwing caution to the wind and just going for it. Nice to see the year 2 upgrade.



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PostPosted: 06/02/18 12:36 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The Aces have now played 2 home games and fans have been treated to 95 fouls and 122 FT attempts. I have to wonder if the refs are losing money at the tables, getting into a bad mood and taking it out on the floor.

Just wondering. Question


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PostPosted: 06/02/18 12:51 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Bad news for League Pass users in the west. Today the Aces inked a deal to have their home games televised by AT&T Sports Net.

http://aces.wnba.com/news/las-vegas-announces-telecast-agreement-with-att-sportsnet/


Presumably this means that the Las Vegas games will now be blacked out throughout the mountain west as their TV area extends throughout Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, and parts of Southern California and Northern Arizona. I know that the game was blacked out for me in Northern Nevada (400+ miles from Las Vegas) and I noticed in the thread on the game that the game seemed to be blacked out in Oregon. I suspect that this will now be true for road games as well even though these games will not be televised.

We should get more clarity about the overall impact on Sunday when the Aces play the Sky. I'm curious as to how many others are affected.


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PostPosted: 06/02/18 3:46 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I don't know what to think of Plum's season start. Three games, 10/23/10 minutes played, a total of 9 points, 9 assists, 5 rebounds... People is calling for a starting role (?) for her and putting her under a lot of scrutiny that I feel this could end badly. So far I don't think she's succumbing to the "pressure" but if this goes on for a while I'm afraid she may get stuck for real.

Obviously a #1 pick, and with that come the expectations, but I really think everybody is waiting for her to fail night in night out to go and bash her performances.


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PostPosted: 06/02/18 7:18 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I don't think she's succumbing to pressure - I think to this point she's just being outplayed by Lindsay Allen. Plum hasn't earned the starting spot or more time than she's getting, so Laimbeer hasn't given it to her. Which is a little worrying for you prized #1 pick.

There's an argument that her ceiling is higher than Allen's so they should throw Plum in and give her the chance to learn on the job, but I don't blame them for making her earn it. Hit a few shots and vaguely excite somebody before they hand you the keys.



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PostPosted: 06/02/18 8:39 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Allen's made more of her opportunities so far and is helping the team more. That doesn't translate to giving more time to Plum, IMO.


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https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/basketball/aces-wnba/fourth-year-forward-dearica-hamby-emerges-for-aces/

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Hamby was drafted No. 6 overall by the San Antonio Stars in 2015 and worked through injuries as a rookie. She became pregnant at the end of her second season, gave birth in February 2017 and spent most of last year finding her form and readjusting to her body.

“That took a lot longer than I expected,” Hamby said. “I feel like it took almost a full year for me to feel like myself, just from the way your body moves now. Everything has changed. I was physically in shape … But I was just a step behind.”

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Coffey injures ankle
Aces forward Nia Coffey could miss a few weeks with an ankle injury, Laimbeer said. Coffey left Sunday’s game in the first half and did not return. She didn’t practice Tuesday.



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stever wrote:
https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/basketball/aces-wnba/fourth-year-forward-dearica-hamby-emerges-for-aces/

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Hamby was drafted No. 6 overall by the San Antonio Stars in 2015 and worked through injuries as a rookie. She became pregnant at the end of her second season, gave birth in February 2017 and spent most of last year finding her form and readjusting to her body.

“That took a lot longer than I expected,” Hamby said. “I feel like it took almost a full year for me to feel like myself, just from the way your body moves now. Everything has changed. I was physically in shape … But I was just a step behind.”

Not anymore.


good article. maybe I better cut her more slack. Very Happy



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myrtle wrote:
stever wrote:
https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/basketball/aces-wnba/fourth-year-forward-dearica-hamby-emerges-for-aces/

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Hamby was drafted No. 6 overall by the San Antonio Stars in 2015 and worked through injuries as a rookie. She became pregnant at the end of her second season, gave birth in February 2017 and spent most of last year finding her form and readjusting to her body.

“That took a lot longer than I expected,” Hamby said. “I feel like it took almost a full year for me to feel like myself, just from the way your body moves now. Everything has changed. I was physically in shape … But I was just a step behind.”

Not anymore.


good article. maybe I better cut her more slack. Very Happy


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And we will see how long that lasts.


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well, I'm not ragging on T. Young nearly as much because IMO her performance has improved. She still can't shoot for shit but at least she's not continually
hoisting up unmakeable shots nearly as much. And I think her defense has finally almost caught up to the hype.

If Hamby starts regularly performing like in the last game, my mouth will effectively be shut about her as well.

I do like to see players improve. But it's kinda fun to have a few to poke at as well. Razz



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well, I'm not ragging on T. Young nearly as much because IMO her performance has improved. She still can't shoot for shit but at least she's not continually
hoisting up unmakeable shots nearly as much. And I think her defense has finally almost caught up to the hype.

If Hamby starts regularly performing like in the last game, my mouth will effectively be shut about her as well.

I do like to see players improve. But it's kinda fun to have a few to poke at as well. Razz


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myrtle wrote:
well, I'm not ragging on T. Young nearly as much because IMO her performance has improved. She still can't shoot for shit but at least she's not continually
hoisting up unmakeable shots nearly as much. And I think her defense has finally almost caught up to the hype.

If Hamby starts regularly performing like in the last game, my mouth will effectively be shut about her as well.

I do like to see players improve. But it's kinda fun to have a few to poke at as well. Razz


Tess Picknell, Sarah Boothe, and Shannon Coffee are all clearly out to get you.


Tess, Sarah, and Shannon who???? Cool Laughing Well, hopefully they got/are getting a worthwhile diploma while bench sitting. As the old NCAA ad says, "we can't all go pro"



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I don't mean to be that person, but when are we going to see something from Plum this season? She's played just 4 games, but hasn't really shown anything.

14.7mpg
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Sequoia Holmes has been signed by the Aces due to an injury hardship. I guess Jefferson will be out longer than anticipated, plus injuries to Coffey & Swords.



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toad455 wrote:
I don't mean to be that person, but when are we going to see something from Plum this season? She's played just 4 games, but hasn't really shown anything.

14.7mpg
5.0ppg
2.8apg
1.3rpg
1.2TOpg


The problem is that Plum is not a point guard. Her ball skills and decision making are very poor. She really can’t keep up with other pg’s either on the defensive end. She is better suited playing the wing where she can be a scorer. Coaches need to stop trying to make players be something they are not.


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shontay33 wrote:
toad455 wrote:
I don't mean to be that person, but when are we going to see something from Plum this season? She's played just 4 games, but hasn't really shown anything.

14.7mpg
5.0ppg
2.8apg
1.3rpg
1.2TOpg


The problem is that Plum is not a point guard. Her ball skills and decision making are very poor. She really can’t keep up with other pg’s either on the defensive end. She is better suited playing the wing where she can be a scorer. Coaches need to stop trying to make players be something they are not.


This is definitely it with Plum. The best moments she's had this season have been those when she has gone on her own, let's say, and she has shot her shot without caring about a thing. Not a lot of time doing it, but it definitely shows what she's good at and how she should be used.


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Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but Holmes has been released so Coffey could be activated.


I dunno.... is a team supposed to get an injury exemption if the player is only out 8 days instead of the speculated 3 weeks?



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Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but Holmes has been released so Coffey could be activated.


I dunno.... is a team supposed to get an injury exemption if the player is only out 8 days instead of the speculated 3 weeks?


Emergency exception vs hardship. The three weeks requirement is for hardship. Emergency exceptions are based on the number of available players, not the seriousness of injuries. LVA had three unuseable players -- Coffey, Jefferson, Harrison -- so they qualified for an emergency exception.



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Is there any official word on Izzy or MoJeff? Izzy tweeted recently that she was glad to be back in school finishing her Master's, so it doesn't sound like she'll be in a game uniform anytime soon. Aces are very weak in the post at present.


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Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but Holmes has been released so Coffey could be activated.


I dunno.... is a team supposed to get an injury exemption if the player is only out 8 days instead of the speculated 3 weeks?


Emergency exception vs hardship. The three weeks requirement is for hardship. Emergency exceptions are based on the number of available players, not the seriousness of injuries. LVA had three unuseable players -- Coffey, Jefferson, Harrison -- so they qualified for an emergency exception.


Since Harrison is temporarily suspended, don’t they already have a replacement player for her? Not sure why she would factor into the equation.



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Is there any official word on Izzy or MoJeff? Izzy tweeted recently that she was glad to be back in school finishing her Master's, so it doesn't sound like she'll be in a game uniform anytime soon. Aces are very weak in the post at present.


Oh, more scandal? Harrison’s not really off for health reasons?

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Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but Holmes has been released so Coffey could be activated.


I dunno.... is a team supposed to get an injury exemption if the player is only out 8 days instead of the speculated 3 weeks?


Emergency exception vs hardship. The three weeks requirement is for hardship. Emergency exceptions are based on the number of available players, not the seriousness of injuries. LVA had three unuseable players -- Coffey, Jefferson, Harrison -- so they qualified for an emergency exception.


Since Harrison is temporarily suspended, don’t they already have a replacement player for her? Not sure why she would factor into the equation.


You're right, I forgot Harrison was suspended. The exceptions are approved by a league doctor. It looks like Coffey simply recovered more quickly than anybody expected.

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(7) Notwithstanding a determination by the WNBA Physician that a player has suffered a Disabling Injury, Illness, or Condition, such player, upon recovering from her injury, illness, or condition, may begin play. In such event, however, the Team shall immediately terminate the Replacement Contract of the Replacement Player.



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Shades wrote:
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Is there any official word on Izzy or MoJeff? Izzy tweeted recently that she was glad to be back in school finishing her Master's, so it doesn't sound like she'll be in a game uniform anytime soon. Aces are very weak in the post at present.


Oh, more scandal? Harrison’s not really off for health reasons?

wnba.com projected Jefferson to be back July 1.


Izzy had tweeted a few days earlier something about liking the staff in her doctor's office, so I would guess the health reasons are real and projected recovery time was sufficient to allow her to re-enroll in school. Of course, I could be reading way too much into a couple of tweets. Maybe if MoJeff is ready to contribute right away, they can trade Plum for a decent post and keep Allen for a backup PG...she's done a reasonable job so far.


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I think this is pretty amazing for the Aces.



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Maybe if MoJeff is ready to contribute right away, they can trade Plum for a decent post and keep Allen for a backup PG...she's done a reasonable job so far.

What are they going to get for Plum at the moment? She does basically nothing beyond shoot threes. Vegas got Allen off waivers, Dallas got Romero off the street, players like Sydney Colson are still sat on their couch waiting for a phone call... I feel like we're still waiting for any real signs that Plum is above that group who are available for free.



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Unless Plum goes to Seattle to backup Canada/Loyd once Bird retires, I doubt she has any trade value at this point. And I only say Seattle just for marketing.



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I think this is pretty amazing for the Aces.



Calling the height police. If Wilson is really 6-5, then Laimbeer is not 6-11 as always claimed. More like 6-8 to 6-9. And we know Wilson is probably not 6-5 anyway.

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Unless Plum goes to Seattle to backup Canada/Loyd once Bird retires, I doubt she has any trade value at this point. And I only say Seattle just for marketing.


What is it that Canada is doing better than Plum?



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Unless Plum goes to Seattle to backup Canada/Loyd once Bird retires, I doubt she has any trade value at this point. And I only say Seattle just for marketing.


What is it that Canada is doing better than Plum?


What is plum doing period ?



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Unless Plum goes to Seattle to backup Canada/Loyd once Bird retires, I doubt she has any trade value at this point. And I only say Seattle just for marketing.


What is it that Canada is doing better than Plum?


What is plum doing period ?


She's shooting well from three. Her TS% is the same as A'ja Wilson's. She has an ATO over 2 (better than supposed PGs like Jasmine Thomas and Renee Montgomery) with an AST% of 26.4.

I'll repeat the question, what is it that Canada is doing better than Plum?



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Playing for a team with a better record?


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PostPosted: 06/19/18 11:06 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Randy wrote:
Playing for a team with a better record?


So Plum should have gotten herself drafted onto a team with three No. 1 picks and two Olympians?

Maybe Canada is better than Kayla McBride too?


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PostPosted: 06/19/18 11:12 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
pilight wrote:
toad455 wrote:
Unless Plum goes to Seattle to backup Canada/Loyd once Bird retires, I doubt she has any trade value at this point. And I only say Seattle just for marketing.


What is it that Canada is doing better than Plum?


What is plum doing period ?


She's shooting well from three. Her TS% is the same as A'ja Wilson's. She has an ATO over 2 (better than supposed PGs like Jasmine Thomas and Renee Montgomery) with an AST% of 26.4.

I'll repeat the question, what is it that Canada is doing better than Plum?



The analytics will always make a player look good , but its obvious plum is not a PG and not doing so well right now . Heck shes been playing like this since she entered the league thus the reason shes considered a bust. Throw out the numbers and watch her play its disappointing . Her ATO might look good but shes only playing half the game with LA taking over the 2nd half of most games . If plum played a full 40 we would not be discussing her ATO as a good stat of hers .



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PostPosted: 06/19/18 11:22 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
pilight wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
pilight wrote:
toad455 wrote:
Unless Plum goes to Seattle to backup Canada/Loyd once Bird retires, I doubt she has any trade value at this point. And I only say Seattle just for marketing.


What is it that Canada is doing better than Plum?


What is plum doing period ?


She's shooting well from three. Her TS% is the same as A'ja Wilson's. She has an ATO over 2 (better than supposed PGs like Jasmine Thomas and Renee Montgomery) with an AST% of 26.4.

I'll repeat the question, what is it that Canada is doing better than Plum?



The analytics will always make a player look good , but its obvious plum is not a PG and not doing so well right now . Heck shes been playing like this since she entered the league thus the reason shes considered a bust. Throw out the numbers and watch her play its disappointing . Her ATO might look good but shes only playing half the game with LA taking over the 2nd half of most games . If plum played a full 40 we would not be discussing her ATO as a good stat of hers .


I don't think Plum has been very good. She has been better than last year and has some positive aspects. I'd take her in ATL over Dietrick or Lucas.

Canada, OTOH, has been awful. She hasn't hit a shot in 2 1/2 weeks. She's shown nothing to suggest she's the heir apparent to Bird and certainly nothing to suggest she's better than Plum.



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