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PostPosted: 08/04/17 7:50 pm    ::: 2017 Americup Reply Reply with quote

This starts on Sunday and games are listed on ESPN3. I am working on piecing together the rosters.

Puerto Rico will not be putting a full strength team on the court, only making one change from their Centrobasket roster by bringing Ali Gibson on board in place of Adily Martucci. Given that only the top two teams in the two group qualify for the playoffs and the medalists qualify for next summer, this should leave a clear path for Cuba and Canada in this group. The other group should be pretty competitive.
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PostPosted: 08/05/17 11:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Sunday ESPN3 schedule (all times EDT):
Venezuela vs Brazil 12:35pm
Mexico vs Puerto Rico 3:05pm
Canada vs Cuba 5:35pm
Argentina vs US Virgin Islands 8:05pm

Rosters:

Argentina:
Mara Marchizotti, Bishop's (CIS)
Macarena Rosset, Marghera (Italy)/Velez Sarsfield (Argentina)
Macarena Durso, Berazategui (Argentina)
Andrea Boquete, Estrella de Berisso (Argentina)
Celia Fiorotto, Berazategui (Argentina)
Agostina Burani, Roannais (France)/Lanus (Argentina)
Melisa Gretter, Corinthians (Brazil)/Union Florida (Argentina)
Ornella Santana, Estrella de Berisso (Argentina)
Debora Gonzalez, Napoli (Italy)/Lanus (Argentina)
Sofia Aispurua, Obras (Argentina)
Julia Armesto, Lanus (Argentina)
Natacha Perez, Lanus (Argentina)

Brazil:
Isabela Lyra Macedo, Zamarat (Spain)
Barbara Generoso, Corinthians (Brazil)
Joice Rodrigues, America (Brazil)
Patricia Teixeira, Sampaio (Brazil)/Sao Jose (Brazil)
Jacqueline Silvestre, Santo Andre (Brazil)
Tatiane Pacheco, America (Brazil)
Soeli Garvao, Corinthians (Brazil)
Kelly Santos, America (Brazil), WNBA (2001-2002, 2008)
Leticia Rodrigues, Sampaio (Brazil)
Izabella Nicoletti, Neuse Baptist Christian (NC), Committed to Florida State
Gilmara Justino, America (Brazil)
Raphaella Monteiro, America (Brazil)

Colombia:
Maria Tapias, George Washington
Diana Prens, Antioquia (Colombia)
Maria Delgado, Northeastern Oklahoma A&M (JC) and signed with Louisiana Tech
Mayra Caicedo, Valle (Colombia)
Manuela Rios, Antioquia (Colombia)
Maria Palacio, Valle (Colombia)
Mabel Martinez, Valle (Colombia)
Catalina Vente, Valle (Colombia)
Jenifer Munoz, Pabor (Colombia)
Libia De La Rosa, Pabor (Colombia)
Tathiana Mosquera, Alcobendas (Spain)
Luz Asprilla, Universidad de las Americas Puebla (Mexico)

Venezuela:
Thalia Garcia, Huila (Colombia)
Yosimar Corrales, Real (Peru)
Ivaney Marquez, Real (Peru), University of Science and Arts of Oklahoma (NAIA)
Daniela Wallen, Oklahoma City (NAIA)/Sol de America (Paraguay)
Luisana Ortega, Cangrejeras de Monagas (Venezuela)
Mariana Duran, Oklahoma City (NAIA)
Sharol Renault, Bucaneras de la Guaira (Venezuela)
Marielka Garate, Santa Ursula (Peru)
Waleska Perez, Cundinamarca (Colombia), Weatherford (JC)
Siuly Marcano, Cangrejeras de Monagas (Veneuela)/Jockey (Peru)
Odela Betancourt, Anzoategui (Venezuela)

US Virgin Islands:
Tanecka Carey, no club, Southern Miss
Kadesha Barry, Southern
Natalie Day, Limoges (France), Portland
Raemiesha Claxton, no club, Panola (JC)
Lanese Bough, Manati Athenians (Puerto Rico), Omaha
Victoria Hamilton, no club, Radford
I'tiana Taylor, East Carolina (volleyball last season after basketball eligibility expired)
Imani Tate, Albany
Taylor Jones, Oakland
Anisha George, Moberly (JC)

Canada:
Miah-Marie Langlois, Enisey Krasnoyarsk (Russia)
Kia Nurse, Connecticut
Laura Dally, Rotenburg (Germany)
Sami Hill, Virginia Tech
Bridget Carleton, Iowa State
Miranda Ayim, Landes (France), Pepperdine and WNBA (2011)
Nirra Fields, Edremit (Turkey), UCLA and WNBA (2016)
Jamie Weisner, Flying Foxes (Austria), Oregon State and WNBA (2016)
Shay Colley, Michigan State
Katherine Plouffe, Nantes (France), Marquette
Michelle Plouffe, Mondeville (France), Utah
Ruth Hamblin, Perth Lynx (Australia)/Dallas Wings, Oregon State

Cuba:
Fransy Ochoa, Santi Espiritu (Cuba)
Ineidis Casavnova, Obras (Argentina)
Anisleidy Galindo, Pinar del Rio (Cuba)
Lisdeyvi Martinez, Habana (Cuba)
Arlenys Romero, Santa Tecla (El Salvador)
Elianis Armentero, Habana (Cuba)
Anay Garcia, Pinar del Rio (Cuba)
Marlen Cepeda, Santi Espiritu (Cuba)
Yuniesky Bouly, Guantanamo (Cuba)
Edith Thompson, Habana (Cuba)
Leidys Oquendo, Camaguey (Cuba)
Dairis Tornell, Habana (Cuba)

Mexico:
Bianca Torre, no club, UTRGV
Jackie Luna-Castro, Kouvot (Finland)/Logan Thunder (Australia), College of Charleston
Gladiana Avila, Instituto Tecnologico y de Estudios Superiores de Monterrey (Mexico)
Ingrid Martinez, Universidad Popular Autonoma del Estado de Puebla (Mexico)
Claudia Ramos, Cal State Northridge
Brisa Silva, Elephant Girls (Nigeria), Oklahoma State
Carmen Saad, Al Riyadi (Lebanon)
Daniela Pardo, Instituto Tecnologico y de Estudios Superiores de Monterrey (Mexico)
Laura Nunez, Universidad Popular Autonoma del Estado de Puebla (Mexico)
Myriam Lara, Centro de Ensenanza Tecnica y Superior (Mexico)
Sandra Vargas, Universidad Popular Autonoma del Estado de Puebla (Mexico)
Maria Orozco, Guanajato Mieleras (Mexico), Buffalo

Paraguay:
Maria Mercado, Ciclista Olimpico (Argentina)/Sol de America (Paraguay)
Marta Peralta, Sol de America (Paraguay)
Ilda Pena, Olimpia Asuncion (Paraguay)
Paola Ferrari, Gipuzkoa (Spain)/Olimpia Asuncion (Paraguay), Union (DII)
Astrid Huttemann, Sol de America (Paraguay), Union (DII)
Claudia Aponte, Ibaizabal (Spain)/Olimpia Asuncion (Paraguay)
Natalia Quevedo, Olimpia Asuncion (Paraguay)
Melina Perez, Olimpia Asuncion (Paraguay)
Tamara Insfran, Sol de America (Paraguay), Cumberland (NAIA)
Maria Caraves, Sol de America (Paraguay)
Andrea Gomez, Sol de America (Paraguay)
Rocio Insfran, Sol de America (Paraguay)

Puerto Rico:
Tayra Melendez, Aguada Santeras (Puerto Rico), Rhode Island
Ashley Santos, Louisiana Tech
Pamela Rosado, Morovis Mountaineers (Puerto Rico)
Angelica Bermudez, Manati Athenians (Puerto Rico)/Politehnica Iasi (Romania), Kean (DIII)
Ali Gibson, Aguada Santeras (Puerto Rico), Oregon State
Paola Crespo, Pontifical Catholic University (Puerto Rico)
Michelle Gonzalez, Santurce Crabbers (Puerto Rico), FIU
Dayshalee Salaman, Santurce Crabbers (Puerto Rico), Lincoln Memorial (DII)
Mari Placido, Santurce Crabbers (Puerto Rico)
Ashley Perez, no club, James Madison
Yolanda Jones, Carolina Giants (Puerto Rico), Louisiana-Lafayette
Isalys Quinones, Dartmouth
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PostPosted: 08/06/17 11:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

My recap of Day 1:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2017/08/americup-day-1-august-6th/

Monday ESPN3 schedule (all times EDT):
Cuba vs Paraguay 12:35pm
US Virgin Islands vs Venezuela 3:05pm
Brazil vs Colombia 5:35pm
Puerto Rico vs Canada 8:05pm
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PostPosted: 08/07/17 11:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

My Day 2 recap:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2017/08/americup-day-2-august-7th/

Dumb question of the day: Are players who play in college in other countries eligible to be drafted in the year they turn 20 or after 4 years of college?

Tuesday ESPN3 schedule (all times EDT):
Colombia vs Venezuela 12:35pm
Mexico vs Canada 3:05pm
Paraguay vs Puerto Rico 5:35pm
Venezuela vs Argentina 8:05pm
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PostPosted: 08/08/17 12:03 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

awhom111 wrote:
Dumb question of the day: Are players who play in college in other countries eligible to be drafted in the year they turn 20 or after 4 years of college?

You're only subject to the four-year thing if you "exercise intercollegiate basketball eligibility in the United States". So being in school outside the US is irrelevant - you're eligible in the year you turn 20.



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PostPosted: 08/08/17 11:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Day 3 Recap:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2017/08/americup-day-3-august-8th/

Wednesday's ESPN3 schedule (all times EDT):
Mexico vs Paraguay 12:35pm
US Virgin Islands vs Brazil 3:05pm
Puerto Rico vs Cuba 5:35pm
Argentina vs Colombia 8:05pm

Richyyy wrote:
awhom111 wrote:
Dumb question of the day: Are players who play in college in other countries eligible to be drafted in the year they turn 20 or after 4 years of college?

You're only subject to the four-year thing if you "exercise intercollegiate basketball eligibility in the United States". So being in school outside the US is irrelevant - you're eligible in the year you turn 20.


So if a CIS star was drafted and later decided to transfer across the border, would the team be able to keep her draft rights over time?
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PostPosted: 08/08/17 11:19 pm    ::: Re: 2017 Americup Reply Reply with quote

awhom111 wrote:
This starts on Sunday and games are listed on ESPN3. I am working on piecing together the rosters.

Puerto Rico will not be putting a full strength team on the court, only making one change from their Centrobasket roster by bringing Ali Gibson on board in place of Adily Martucci. Given that only the top two teams in the two group qualify for the playoffs and the medalists qualify for next summer, this should leave a clear path for Cuba and Canada in this group. The other group should be pretty competitive.


Stupid question, maybe, but why would Puerto Rico hold back their top players? Is there another international event coming up?



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PostPosted: 08/09/17 1:41 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

awhom111 wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
awhom111 wrote:
Dumb question of the day: Are players who play in college in other countries eligible to be drafted in the year they turn 20 or after 4 years of college?

You're only subject to the four-year thing if you "exercise intercollegiate basketball eligibility in the United States". So being in school outside the US is irrelevant - you're eligible in the year you turn 20.


So if a CIS star was drafted and later decided to transfer across the border, would the team be able to keep her draft rights over time?

From what I can see, the CBA doesn't address that scenario directly. There's an implicit expectation that if they haven't indicated they're heading for the US by the time they're 19-and-a-bit, they're probably not going to. But there is a section on players who renounce collegiate eligibility and what happens if they play college basketball again afterwards - the team keeps their rights until a year after the draft that follows them exhasting their NCAA eligibility.

So I would guess the team gets to keep the player's rights in the same way, but unless I'm missing it there's technically no rule for it.



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PostPosted: 08/09/17 11:08 pm    ::: Re: 2017 Americup Reply Reply with quote

Day 4:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2017/08/americup-day-4-august-9th/

Thursday's ESPN3 schedule (all times EDT):
Paraguay vs Canada 12:35pm
Cuba vs Mexico 3:05pm
Colombia vs Venezuela 5:35pm
Brazil vs Argentina 8:05pm

Queenie wrote:
awhom111 wrote:
This starts on Sunday and games are listed on ESPN3. I am working on piecing together the rosters.

Puerto Rico will not be putting a full strength team on the court, only making one change from their Centrobasket roster by bringing Ali Gibson on board in place of Adily Martucci. Given that only the top two teams in the two group qualify for the playoffs and the medalists qualify for next summer, this should leave a clear path for Cuba and Canada in this group. The other group should be pretty competitive.


Stupid question, maybe, but why would Puerto Rico hold back their top players? Is there another international event coming up?


I suspect that there is behind the scenes stuff that we do not know about. Cuba has been so bad though that Puerto Rico will likely make it to the semifinal. The other group is even more chaotic, so this could get weird.
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PostPosted: 08/10/17 4:49 am    ::: Re: 2017 Americup Reply Reply with quote

awhom111 wrote:
The other group is even more chaotic, so this could get weird.

I thought it was gonna be all nice and simple, with Argentina and Brazil playing off for the top spot in the group in their last game, and then in classic Brazilian style they went and screwed it up. Is the three-way tiebreaker the classic FIBA option of points-difference in games played between the tied teams, or is it points difference in the overall group? Could make a big difference.



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PostPosted: 08/10/17 11:27 pm    ::: Re: 2017 Americup Reply Reply with quote

Day 5:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2017/08/americup-day-5-august-10th/

Richyyy wrote:
awhom111 wrote:
The other group is even more chaotic, so this could get weird.

I thought it was gonna be all nice and simple, with Argentina and Brazil playing off for the top spot in the group in their last game, and then in classic Brazilian style they went and screwed it up. Is the three-way tiebreaker the classic FIBA option of points-difference in games played between the tied teams, or is it points difference in the overall group? Could make a big difference.


Brazil made it despite being as poor as ever against Argentina.

I was probably a little hard on Puerto Rico since this is actually their first time reaching the semifinals, but at full strength they would certainly be expected to be medal contenders, which they might manage even with this roster.

Venezuela and Cuba have to be considered massive disappointments though. Other than maybe Paraguay and Colombia, Venezuela probably has the closest to their full strength team. After they forced Brazil into an obscene number of turnovers in the opener, I though they would at least contend in their group. Cuba had a few roster changes, but they still should have been competitive in their group.
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PostPosted: 08/11/17 8:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Saturday ESPN3 schedule (times EDT):
Brazil vs Canada 5:35pm
Puerto Rico vs Argentina 8:05pm
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PostPosted: 08/12/17 11:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Semifinal recap:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2017/08/americup-semifinals-august-12th/

I apologize to anyone who watched the second game after I listed it on the schedule.

Sunday's ESPN3 schedule (times EDT):
Brazil vs Puerto Rico 6:05pm
Canada vs Argentina 8:35pm
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PostPosted: 08/13/17 11:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Final Recap:
http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2017/08/americup-finals-august-13th/

Puerto Rico does it! Hopefully they can have every player available next year or we will watch their lack of post depth get exposed.

Both teams tried to give away the final at various points, but Argentina probably needed to generate something better than Gretter isos to score on Canada.
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PostPosted: 08/14/17 2:27 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Wonder if this shows up the arrogance of the Brazilians in not thinking they needed everybody to qualify, or if Erika and Dantas just didn't care enough to give up a few weeks of a paying gig to play. In previous times I'd be disappointed that the Brazilians won't be in Spain, but there's precious little on their team worth getting excited about these days. When phrases like 'Kelly Santos was the key player' come into play, you know that things probably aren't going great.



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PostPosted: 08/14/17 9:26 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
Wonder if this shows up the arrogance of the Brazilians in not thinking they needed everybody to qualify, or if Erika and Dantas just didn't care enough to give up a few weeks of a paying gig to play. In previous times I'd be disappointed that the Brazilians won't be in Spain, but there's precious little on their team worth getting excited about these days. When phrases like 'Kelly Santos was the key player' come into play, you know that things probably aren't going great.


What is going on with Brazil though? Is it a bad regime of coaches or just poor player development? You have to think DeSouza and Colahdo are done with the NT. Dantas alone can't beat many teams. They just seem to be stuck in a bad phase of talent.

Props to Puerto Rico!



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PostPosted: 08/14/17 8:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
Wonder if this shows up the arrogance of the Brazilians in not thinking they needed everybody to qualify, or if Erika and Dantas just didn't care enough to give up a few weeks of a paying gig to play. In previous times I'd be disappointed that the Brazilians won't be in Spain, but there's precious little on their team worth getting excited about these days. When phrases like 'Kelly Santos was the key player' come into play, you know that things probably aren't going great.


It feels like they do not have a good track record of bringing in WNBA players for this level of event. Clarissa Dos Santos got injured right before the tournament and she might have been their best player based on how they actually performed. Nadia Gomes Colhado probably got cut too late to realistically be added, but they probably thought that top three would be easy considering how many players other teams were missing.

There is a reason that the federation was suspended. All aspects of their program have issues and on both the men's and women's sides talent that the federation had no role in developing have carried their teams past the lack of resources. Hopefully they figure some stuff out as a result of coming out of the suspension. Having a big name club like Corinthians involved should strengthen the women's league, but they have had massive team turnover and they have way fewer national league teams than you would think a top league should have. With questionable economic conditions recently, pretty much every player with a WNBA chance was trying her luck this year and more players than ever seem to be trying the European route.
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PostPosted: 08/15/17 10:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Congrats to Canada on the Gold.The way that last shot went off the back rim was crazy Shocked


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