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PostPosted: 07/13/17 3:01 pm    ::: 2017 U23 Team Reply Reply with quote

Forty players have been invited to try out for the inaugural U23 games in Tokyo this summer.

The US head coach is Jeff Walz and the "lead clinician" during training camp will be Geno Auriemma.

https://www.usab.com/news-events/news/2017/07/wu23-tc-roster.aspx

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Taking part in training camp will be: Kristine Anigwe (California/Phoenix, Ariz.); Ariel Atkins (Texas/Duncanville, Texas); Monique Billings (UCLA/Corona, Calif.); Erin Boley (Oregon/Hodgenville, Ky.); Kalani Brown (Baylor/Slidell, La.); Lexie Brown (Duke/Suwanee, Ga.); Tyra Buss (Indiana/Mt. Carmel, Ill.); Jordin Canada (UCLA/Los Angeles, Calif.); Natalie Chou (Baylor/Plano, Texas); Napheesa Collier (Connecticut/O’Fallon, Mo.); Sophie Cunningham (Missouri/Columbia, Mo.); Asia Durr (Louisville/ Douglasville, Ga.); Katelynn Flaherty (Michigan/Point Pleasant, N.J.); Channon Fluker (CSUN/Pasadena, Calif.); Rebecca Greenwell (Duke/Owensboro, Ky.); Linnae Harper (Ohio State/Chicago, Ill.); Myisha Hines-Allen (Louisville/Montclair, N.J.); Sabrina Ionescu (Oregon/Walnut Creek, Calif.); Marina Mabrey (Notre Dame/Belmar, N.J.); Tynice Martin (West Virginia/Atlanta, Ga.); Brooke McCarty (Texas/League City, Texas); Teaira McCowan (Mississippi State/Brenham, Texas); Brittany McPhee (Stanford/Normandy Park, Wash.); Kelsey Mitchell (Ohio State/Cincinnati, Ohio); Mariya Moore (Southern California/Hercules, Calif.); Jamie Nared (Tennessee/Portland, Ore.); Arike Ogunbowale (Notre Dame/Milwaukee, Wis.); Teniya Page (Penn State/Chicago, Ill.); Mercedes Russell (Tennessee/Springfield, Ore.); Katie Lou Samuelson (Connecticut/Huntington Beach, Calif.); Jessica Shepard (Notre Dame/ Fremont, Neb.); Kristen Simon (Southern California/Gardena, Calif.); Destiny Slocum (Oregon State/ Meridian, Idaho); Azurá Stevens (Connecticut/Raleigh, N.C.); Hallie Thome (Michigan/Chagrin Falls, Ohio); Victoria Vivians (Mississippi State/Carthage, Miss.); Jatarie White (Texas/Charlotte, N.C.); Gabby Williams (Connecticut/Sparks, Nev.); A’ja Wilson (South Carolina/Hopkins, S.C.); and Jackie Young (Notre Dame/Princeton, Ind.).


Since Kalani Brown, A'ja Wilson, KL Samuelson, Napheesa Collier, Gabby Williams and Kelsey Mitchell were 2017 WBCA first team AA's, it would probably be embarrassing for any of them not to make the team. Lexie Brown and Victoria Vivians were 2017 AP third team AA's.

I'm naturally rooting for the Magic Buss.
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PostPosted: 07/13/17 5:46 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

As I understand it, the UConn players are going to the camp but aren't available to be selected because UConn is going on its quadrennial foreign boondoggle at the same time as the tournament.


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PostPosted: 07/13/17 5:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

For people that like pictures of the players, here is a link:

https://www.usab.com/womens/u23/roster.aspx


Of the 40 players the Pac-12 leads with 9 players from 6 schools. Notre Dame and Connecticut lead with 4 each and Texas has 3.

Complete list of conferences:

Pac 12 9 (6 schools)
ACC 8 (3)
SEC 6 (4)
Big 10 6 (4)
Big 12 6 (3)
AAC 4 (1)
Big West 1 (Channon Fluker from CSUN)


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PostPosted: 07/13/17 6:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I hope Russell and Nared make it.


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PostPosted: 07/13/17 7:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
As I understand it, the UConn players are going to the camp but aren't available to be selected because UConn is going on its quadrennial foreign boondoggle at the same time as the tournament.


The UConn website confirms this.
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PostPosted: 07/27/17 8:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Canada will pick from this roster and also send the same team to the World University Games:
http://www.basketball.ca/en/news-article/20-athletes-invited-to-attend-development-womens-national-team
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PostPosted: 07/28/17 2:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'm curious about why the U23's in the WNBA weren't picked, like Brionna Jones will be U23 for the next year too. DDeShields is another.


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PostPosted: 07/28/17 7:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

5thmantheme wrote:
I'm curious about why the U23's in the WNBA weren't picked, like Brionna Jones will be U23 for the next year too. DDeShields is another.


Well, the USAB release linked in the first post of this thread said "Athletes eligible for this team must be U.S. citizens who are 23 years old or younger and currently are freshmen, sophomores or juniors in college.". So I suspect that provides your answer.


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PostPosted: 07/28/17 7:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It appears Lexie Brown, Marina Mabrey, and Katelynn Flaherty are the three who were part of the initial forty invited but aren't among the 37 in camp. Anyone know why for any of them?


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PostPosted: 07/28/17 7:47 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

5thmantheme wrote:
I'm curious about why the U23's in the WNBA weren't picked, like Brionna Jones will be U23 for the next year too. DDeShields is another.


It's not supposed to be a competitive tournament or something. It's more of a reward for college players and a chance to get some more players exposure to USA and international basketball. Since USA Basketball was not responsible for a World University Games team, the eligibility rules for this team are basically the same (and self-imposed).

Brown is out due to academic commitments. Everyone enters the MMS program with different backgrounds so different students have differing levels of prerequisites they need to take care of before the Fall.
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PostPosted: 07/29/17 1:19 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
5thmantheme wrote:
I'm curious about why the U23's in the WNBA weren't picked, like Brionna Jones will be U23 for the next year too. DDeShields is another.


Well, the USAB release linked in the first post of this thread said "Athletes eligible for this team must be U.S. citizens who are 23 years old or younger and currently are freshmen, sophomores or juniors in college.". So I suspect that provides your answer.


That must have meant FR/SO/JR's as of last year, because there are several SR's on that list, Russell, Nared, and Lexie Brown, for example.


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PostPosted: 08/01/17 6:52 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Notre Dame yesterday said Mabrey is not participating because of an ankle injury.

That leaves Flaherty as the only unaccounted for.


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PostPosted: 08/01/17 7:14 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Actually, there's one more MIA. Yesterday's release says they're down to 36, and the missing one appears to be Sophie Cunningham. Any news on why?

Well, at least their four training camp teams will be an even nine each now.


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PostPosted: 08/01/17 10:20 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
Actually, there's one more MIA. Yesterday's release says they're down to 36, and the missing one appears to be Sophie Cunningham. Any news on why?

Well, at least their four training camp teams will be an even nine each now.


http://www.columbiatribune.com/sports/20170731/sophie-cunningham-focused-on-health



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PostPosted: 08/01/17 10:55 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Thanks. Any news re Katelynn Flaherty?


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PostPosted: 08/01/17 1:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

@DougFeinberg 2h2 hours ago

Team 4: collier, Durr, Martin, McPhee, buss, young, Anigwe, Simon and Russell

@DougFeinberg 2h2 hours ago

Team 3: boley, greenwell, ionescu, Mitchell, Moore, page, Williams, Thome and Wilson

@DougFeinberg 2h2 hours ago

Team 2: Atkins, Chou, Hines-Allen, ogunbowale, Harper, Canada, mccowan, Stevens, Shepard

@DougFeinberg 2h2 hours ago

Team 1: billings, brown, fluker, McCarty, nared, Samuelson, slocum, Vivians, white

@DougFeinberg 2h2 hours ago

Teams made for U23 intrasquad tournament should be really competitive




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PostPosted: 08/01/17 1:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Follow Doug's twitter page @Dougfeinberg to get updates

team 3 is deadly with shooters


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PostPosted: 08/01/17 3:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The bronze and gold medal games will be streamed live on Friday morning.

These look pretty balanced.


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PostPosted: 08/01/17 7:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

@DougFeinberg 1h1 hour ago

The two @UCLAWBB players Jordin Canada and Monique Billings have been impressive in this game


@DougFeinberg 1h1 hour ago

I'm surprised more @WNBA teams aren't here for the training camp. It's one cost to see 35 of best college players


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PostPosted: 08/01/17 7:56 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Eric‏ @nemchocke 1h1 hour ago

which teams are there?

@DougFeinberg
Replying to @nemchocke @WNBA

I've seen New York and LA


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PostPosted: 08/01/17 9:50 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Article about today's games:

https://www.usab.com/news-events/news/2017/08/wu23-tc-feature-aug-1.aspx

I found Ionescu's quote curious. I don't think she gets it.

“I like being able to go out here and play a little more than just doing some skill stuff, just because everyone at this level is pretty good at the skill stuff."

Sounds like a comment expected from an AAU product. Hey Sabrina, regardless of what you think, they spend time drilling skill fundamentals because you and your teammates need the work and instruction.


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PostPosted: 08/02/17 12:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
Article about today's games:

https://www.usab.com/news-events/news/2017/08/wu23-tc-feature-aug-1.aspx

I found Ionescu's quote curious. I don't think she gets it.

“I like being able to go out here and play a little more than just doing some skill stuff, just because everyone at this level is pretty good at the skill stuff."

Sounds like a comment expected from an AAU product. Hey Sabrina, regardless of what you think, they spend time drilling skill fundamentals because you and your teammates need the work and instruction.


I would agree at one level, but at another, not so much. The skill work at USA Basketball tends to be basic stuff, done by everyone at the same time.

The problem I see is that each player needs skill work in different areas, and generally very sophisticated, personal instruction.

In other words, working on the pullup elbow jumper might help a couple players, but the others need refinement in righthand layups from the left side, say, or form on reverse layups.

If USA Basketball could a) identify individual weaknesses and then b) have a coach work with players one-on-one on those weaknesses, then I agree that skill work would be valuable. But having everyone do a dribbling drill really doesn't accomplish much.



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PostPosted: 08/02/17 12:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
Article about today's games:

https://www.usab.com/news-events/news/2017/08/wu23-tc-feature-aug-1.aspx

I found Ionescu's quote curious. I don't think she gets it.

“I like being able to go out here and play a little more than just doing some skill stuff, just because everyone at this level is pretty good at the skill stuff."

Sounds like a comment expected from an AAU product. Hey Sabrina, regardless of what you think, they spend time drilling skill fundamentals because you and your teammates need the work and instruction.


I would agree at one level, but at another, not so much. The skill work at USA Basketball tends to be basic stuff, done by everyone at the same time.

The problem I see is that each player needs skill work in different areas, and generally very sophisticated, personal instruction.

In other words, working on the pullup elbow jumper might help a couple players, but the others need refinement in righthand layups from the left side, say, or form on reverse layups.

If USA Basketball could a) identify individual weaknesses and then b) have a coach work with players one-on-one on those weaknesses, then I agree that skill work would be valuable. But having everyone do a dribbling drill really doesn't accomplish much.


Before you can do what you want done, everyone has to do the basic stuff so they can find out who can do what.

I just expect that we will see, once again, as we seem to see every time a USAB women's age bracket team hits the floor in recent years, that Ionescu's belief that "everyone at this level is pretty good at the skill stuff" is total bullshit.

Ionescu has probably believed she was "pretty good at the skill stuff" since she was in 3rd grade.


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PostPosted: 08/02/17 3:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Recap of today's morning games. Team 2 continues to roll.

https://www.usab.com/news-events/news/2017/08/wu23-0802-morning.aspx


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PostPosted: 08/02/17 5:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
ClayK wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
Article about today's games:

https://www.usab.com/news-events/news/2017/08/wu23-tc-feature-aug-1.aspx

I found Ionescu's quote curious. I don't think she gets it.

“I like being able to go out here and play a little more than just doing some skill stuff, just because everyone at this level is pretty good at the skill stuff."

Sounds like a comment expected from an AAU product. Hey Sabrina, regardless of what you think, they spend time drilling skill fundamentals because you and your teammates need the work and instruction.


I would agree at one level, but at another, not so much. The skill work at USA Basketball tends to be basic stuff, done by everyone at the same time.

The problem I see is that each player needs skill work in different areas, and generally very sophisticated, personal instruction.

In other words, working on the pullup elbow jumper might help a couple players, but the others need refinement in righthand layups from the left side, say, or form on reverse layups.

If USA Basketball could a) identify individual weaknesses and then b) have a coach work with players one-on-one on those weaknesses, then I agree that skill work would be valuable. But having everyone do a dribbling drill really doesn't accomplish much.


Before you can do what you want done, everyone has to do the basic stuff so they can find out who can do what.

I just expect that we will see, once again, as we seem to see every time a USAB women's age bracket team hits the floor in recent years, that Ionescu's belief that "everyone at this level is pretty good at the skill stuff" is total bullshit.

Ionescu has probably believed she was "pretty good at the skill stuff" since she was in 3rd grade.


And, as a matter of fact, she is. She is not the perfect player, of course, but the things she needs to work on are not dribbling or screening out, but individual and team defense, learning to play the angles more given her relative quickness, etc. But what would help her would not help an athletic player who maybe can't finish well with her left hand.

And most of these players have been in USA Basketball before, so presumably Carol Callan and staff have a good idea of their strengths and weaknesses.

My impression over the years of watching youth and high school basketball is that today's players in general are more fundamentally sound than those of 15 or 20 years ago (except for outside shooting). The floor, if you will, is higher in that regard, in part due to better coaching from the youth level on up (not saying it's good, necessarily, but it's better).

For example, in the past I would do a drill in "elite" camps (players who were looking at college) and make them convert a righthanded layup from the left side -- and many were simply helpless for several times through the line. Today, if I did that drill, most girls would handle that with no problem.



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PostPosted: 08/02/17 7:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I am with Art on this one. The drills can expose bad shooting technique, footwork and whether a player can actually lead a pass into the post or to the basket. They may be simple but a lot of players can't do it.


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Nixtreefan wrote:
I am with Art on this one. The drills can expose bad shooting technique, footwork and whether a player can actually lead a pass into the post or to the basket. They may be simple but a lot of players can't do it.


But of course you have to correct those mistakes for the drills to do any good, and that's not how USA Basketball works. They just run the drill and move on ...

Again, you need individual, one-on-one attention to the specific needs of a particular player at this level. For 15-year-olds, sure, do mass drills and correct as a group because most of them share flaws. It's not the same for women who've been playing year round, and coached, since they were 10.

And note that you cannot really "drill" passing into the post, as it's very difficult to create realistic situations. You can do two-on-two isos, and maybe bring weakside help low, but the wing has to read lots of things that really only happen during games. For example, if the defender at the top drops down to help on the post, then the ball needs to go to the top, the post needs to seal, and that top passer now needs to read the weakside defense to see if the high-low is there or there's a wide-open wing. And if that wing can't shoot, why get her the ball?

Again, all this is specific stuff, and needs individual coaching and lots of time, which is something USA Basketball doesn't have.



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I don't paticularly think the drills are for development but more of an evaluation tool, some kids are athletic but have poor fundamentals which are exposed in the drills. If those fundamentals are not far enough along then USA does not have the time to develop them.


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Nixtreefan wrote:
I don't paticularly think the drills are for development but more of an evaluation tool, some kids are athletic but have poor fundamentals which are exposed in the drills. If those fundamentals are not far enough along then USA does not have the time to develop them.


My point, as is Sabrina's I suspect, is that by the time we're dealing with the U23 team, that evaluation has been ongoing for five or six years, so the drills serve little purpose.

They are valuable at the U16 and U17 levels, to some degree.



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I doubt they rolled Geno out and named him "Lead Clinician" unless they intended to teach improved skills and considered it necessary.

Good to hear though that Ionescu has no need of Geno's tutelage.

Watching basically a same age group USAB team lose in the Pan Am Games two years ago, I doubt I would conclude that fundamental skills are beyond need of improvement at this age level.


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It's team 2 vs team 3 tomorrow for the championship.

Team 1 continues its winless streak.

https://www.usab.com/news-events/news/2017/08/wu23-semis.aspx


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I doubt they rolled Geno out and named him "Lead Clinician" unless they intended to teach improved skills and considered it necessary.

Good to hear though that Ionescu has no need of Geno's tutelage.

Watching basically a same age group USAB team lose in the Pan Am Games two years ago, I doubt I would conclude that fundamental skills are beyond need of improvement at this age level.


Of course Sabrina needs Geno's tutelage. A couple hours one-on-one would be tremendous.

But doing dribbling drills is hardly the same as getting instruction from Geno, and that's what Sabrina is saying.

Even at the high school level, mass drills are inherently inefficient because some players are much better at some things than others, and you don't want to dumb down the drill to the lowest common denominator, or, at the other hand, do drills that half the team can't.

The players need instruction, preferably one-on-one, not group drills.



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ClayK wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
I doubt they rolled Geno out and named him "Lead Clinician" unless they intended to teach improved skills and considered it necessary.

Good to hear though that Ionescu has no need of Geno's tutelage.

Watching basically a same age group USAB team lose in the Pan Am Games two years ago, I doubt I would conclude that fundamental skills are beyond need of improvement at this age level.


Of course Sabrina needs Geno's tutelage. A couple hours one-on-one would be tremendous.

But doing dribbling drills is hardly the same as getting instruction from Geno, and that's what Sabrina is saying.

Even at the high school level, mass drills are inherently inefficient because some players are much better at some things than others, and you don't want to dumb down the drill to the lowest common denominator, or, at the other hand, do drills that half the team can't.

The players need instruction, preferably one-on-one, not group drills.


Well, I think we've beaten this to death, but she didn't say anything remotely close to your characterization. There is nothing in her comment suggesting "I could really use individual skills training but don't find group lessons helpful."

No, she said basically "I don't need no stinking skills practice. Our skills are great already."

“I like being able to go out here and play a little more than just doing some skill stuff, just because everyone at this level is pretty good at the skill stuff."


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ArtBest23 wrote:
It's team 2 vs team 3 tomorrow for the championship.

Team 1 continues its winless streak.

https://www.usab.com/news-events/news/2017/08/wu23-semis.aspx


who do you think makes the 12 team roster?


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It is a strange thing that the drills are not all about Ionescu, some of these players have not been in the system and evaluation to see whether players can also follow directions is important to USA, one can assume..


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LibFan25 wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
It's team 2 vs team 3 tomorrow for the championship.

Team 1 continues its winless streak.

https://www.usab.com/news-events/news/2017/08/wu23-semis.aspx


who do you think makes the 12 team roster?


Without seeing any of the games or practices, I have no idea. The range of players who have scored well and been highlighted in the USAB writeups is pretty broad. All of these players are good. Plus I don't know what USAB is trying to accomplish. Do they want the best team for this tournament? The best players for the future? A range of ages? Best teammates? And there's always politics in USAB selections. (My cynical side says Durr is probably a good bet as is at least one Texas player, for instance.)

Stevens seems to have done well but is not available. Atkins seems to have scored a lot. But some players may have impressed the selectors without lighting up the scoreboard.

I'm betting Canada gets selected. But really I have no confidence that I could predict tomorrow's 12 selected players. I wouldn't rely on who's an All American or the highest rated recruit or the NCAA scoring leader or the like as reliable indicators, though. Although I'll be shocked if Wilson isn't included (although she wasn't a scoring leader it seems.) I expect there will be a lot of room for "discussion" among fans.

Sorry I can't do better than that, but I will be surprised if it's even close to simply being the 12 biggest names.


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ArtBest23 wrote:
LibFan25 wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
It's team 2 vs team 3 tomorrow for the championship.

Team 1 continues its winless streak.

https://www.usab.com/news-events/news/2017/08/wu23-semis.aspx


who do you think makes the 12 team roster?


Without seeing any of the games or practices, I have no idea. The range of players who have scored well and been highlighted in the USAB writeups is pretty broad. All of these players are good. Plus I don't know what USAB is trying to accomplish. Do they want the best team for this tournament? The best players for the future? A range of ages? Best teammates? And there's always politics in USAB selections. (My cynical side says Durr is probably a good bet as is at least one Texas player, for instance.)

Stevens seems to have done well but is not available. Atkins seems to have scored a lot. But some players may have impressed the selectors without lighting up the scoreboard.

I'm betting Canada gets selected. But really I have no confidence that I could predict tomorrow's 12 selected players. I wouldn't rely on who's an All American or the highest rated recruit or the NCAA scoring leader or the like as reliable indicators, though. Although I'll be shocked if Wilson isn't included (although she wasn't a scoring leader it seems.) I expect there will be a lot of room for "discussion" among fans.

Sorry I can't do better than that, but I will be surprised if it's even close to simply being the 12 biggest names.


God i hope not it better not be about politics, pick the best 12 players that are available to play, the injury factor may play into this as well due to seeing the Penn State guard Page get hurt.

yeah Stevens, Williams, Collier, Katie Lou Samuelson, Greenwell will not be available

Locks: Canada, K. Mitchell, Wilson

the rest of the 9 players i have no idea lol im definitely gonna watch the livestream tomorrow of the Gold and Bronze game to get a good idea of who will be picked


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PostPosted: 08/03/17 11:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

If there's zero politics, I think it would be the first time in USAB history.

And I suspect this has as much to do with the powers-that-be's planning for the future as it does with "picking the best 12 players that are available to play."

Mitchell might be likely but I don't think she's at all a lock. Same with Canada although it looks like she probably played her way on this week.

Gaudy college numbers won't do it. Fitting in to the "system," playing the desired way, is more important.

Listen to the Geno video today. Everybody's good, everybody has the skills, it's about a bunch of vague stuff about the "traits and characteristics" that make the national team "special". In other words, they can pick whomever makes them comfortable. Typical standards of "best players" have little to do with it.


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PostPosted: 08/04/17 9:54 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Along the same lines as the above, Rizzotti, who chairs the selection committee, said:

“Obviously, everybody that is here is really good at basketball, so it’s not just about talent, it’s about how you adapt – to a new coach, to new teammates, to a new offense. Are you willing to be flexible? Because, when you play on a USA Basketball team, you have to be willing to give up your individual self to adapt to the situation. So, we evaluate everything, not just scoring and rebounding, but the intangibles and what they bring to the table in that regard.”

They'll fall back on "intangibles" if asked to explain their choices.

It appears they scrapped the idea of streaming the Bronze medal game, and seem to have deleted the entire schedule from their website. (USAB has one of the worst run websites imaginable). In fact, it's not clear they are even playing a Bronze Medal game.

But they still say the Gold Medal game will be streamed at 11:40am Eastern time.


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PostPosted: 08/04/17 10:41 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The selection process is a black box, really, and it depends on what that particular committee -- and to some extent, the coach -- is looking for.

Most of the time, it's somewhat irrelevant, as any 12 of the top 20 or so are good enough to win gold. There's a few that seem automatic, and then a bunch that could be chosen depending on what the committee wants.



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PostPosted: 08/04/17 11:33 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

'intangibles' may seem unfair, but I think it is somewhat legitimate WHEN it comes down to comparing two players who really appear to be comparable skill wise. And I suppose I could even see omitting a player who is highly skilled but who appears to have poisonous effect on team morale. If you're around enough kids, there are some who really stand out in that negative way, but I think they're relatively few among those who would be invited to try out. So, just as in life, kids who are outgoing, friendly, and encouraging to their teammates are more likely to get chosen than those who are withdrawn, morose, and/or always me-first. Where it starts to stink is when a borderline athlete appears to be chosen just because of the school they're attending. From the outside it's hard to see exactly what goes into the selection process so it's pretty hard to fairly judge what is fair or what is not. We all have our favs who we want to make the team and that also clouds objectivity.



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PostPosted: 08/04/17 11:39 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It looks like the game is more about guard play. as soon as the ball goes inside or they try to make an entry, it looks like a scrum like 3rd grade bball.



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Looks like there was no bronze medal game but they cannabalized some players off teams 1 and 4, including Russell and Billings. They may be replacing Page, who broke her ankle, and Shepard, who appears to be in workout clothes and not playing. Don't know if she is injured or what.

I'm having trouble with the stream so it's a little difficult for me to follow just what's going on.

Does anyone know the starting lineups for the game?


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PostPosted: 08/04/17 11:50 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The stream is very hurky jerky and the guy's pronunciation issues reminds me of the Tulsa announcer. I didn't see the beginning so don't know who started.



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PostPosted: 08/04/17 11:56 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Each side has gone on major runs. It would be interesting to see plus/minus.



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PostPosted: 08/04/17 12:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

USAB's website is worse than the WNBA's, if that's possible. And live streaming isn't rocket science these days. FIBA does a great job streamig games. Why doesnt USAB just use YouTube?

High schools produce better webcasts than this mess today.


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PostPosted: 08/04/17 12:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This is the first game I tried to watch so my opinion is limited, but the ones who I noticed here were:
Ionescu (made some very nice passes, and also got some TOs)
Nared (seemed to be a calming presence)
Billings (busy, busy, busy)
K. Brown (some nice moves down low)
Arike
K. Mitchell
Canada

Atkins seemed to shoot a lot and miss a lot. I think it was Thome who moved really well down in the post and once got a nice pass for a layup. There was quite a lot of standing around in the post, but then how much offense can you get in a few days training together?



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PostPosted: 08/04/17 12:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think Boley and Harper both scored a lot of points. Harper was in "touch ball, shoot ball" mode. Will be interesting to see if that impressed the committee.


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PostPosted: 08/04/17 12:49 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Did Wilson play? She's been pretty much invisible all week. Is she healthy?

Feinberg said they cancelled the Bronze medal game last night.

Then it seems they mixed up the two finalists with several players from 1 and 4.

It was hard to tell who was playing and who wasn't.


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PostPosted: 08/04/17 1:22 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I don't see the point in inviting several players to the training camp who everyone knows can't play in the U23 tourney because of other commitments. It seems like a complete waste of money for transportation, lodging and food, as well as of coaching resources and coaching time, and finally of playing time for the players who are actual candidates to make the team.
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