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PostPosted: 06/16/17 12:16 pm    ::: Seattle Storm take a stand for Planned Parenthood Reply Reply with quote

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/15/sports/basketball/wnba-seattle-storm-planned-parenthood.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fsports&action=click&contentCollection=sports&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=9&pgtype=sectionfront&_r=0

The Seattle Storm will hold a "Stand With Planned Parenthood" rally on July 18 in Key Arena's West Plaza. $5 from the sale of each ticket for the game that day against the Chicago Sky will be donated to the located Planned Parenthood chapter.

Wonderful move by Dawn Trudeau and other owners of the Storm. Nice supportive comments from Cheryl Reeve and from Imani Boyette (who speaks of being a Planned Parenthood patient while in high school).



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PostPosted: 06/16/17 4:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Yet another good reason to not support the WNBA anymore. Disgusting.



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PostPosted: 06/16/17 4:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Good for the Seattle Storm. More teams should follow suit.


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PostPosted: 06/16/17 4:27 pm    ::: Re: Seattle Storm take a stand for Planned Parenthood Reply Reply with quote

Bob Lamm wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/15/sports/basketball/wnba-seattle-storm-planned-parenthood.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fsports&action=click&contentCollection=sports&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=9&pgtype=sectionfront&_r=0

The Seattle Storm will hold a "Stand With Planned Parenthood" rally on July 18 in Key Arena's West Plaza. $5 from the sale of each ticket for the game that day against the Chicago Sky will be donated to the located Planned Parenthood chapter.

Wonderful move by Dawn Trudeau and other owners of the Storm. Nice supportive comments from Cheryl Reeve and from Imani Boyette (who speaks of being a Planned Parenthood patient while in high school).


Wonderful to see this support for an organization that provides healthcare to all kinds of women.


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PostPosted: 06/16/17 5:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

And meanwhile the Sky can't even host a simple PRIDE NIGHT.



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PostPosted: 06/16/17 5:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Jet Jaguar wrote:
Yet another good reason to not support the WNBA anymore. Disgusting.


Okay, bye then!


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PostPosted: 06/16/17 5:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Jet Jaguar wrote:
Yet another good reason to not support the WNBA anymore. Disgusting.

And this statement disgusts me. Don't let the door hit you on your ass on the way out.

Personally, I applaud the Seattle Storm for standing up for low cost, quality women's health care.



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PostPosted: 06/16/17 5:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

justintyme wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
Yet another good reason to not support the WNBA anymore. Disgusting.

And this statement disgusts me. Don't let the door hit you on your ass on the way out.

Personally, I applaud the Seattle Storm for standing up for low cost, quality women's health care.


So someone comes onto this board just to spit on the WNBA and spit on those of us who love the WNBA? Really? Doesn't that person have anything better to do? Isn't there some misogynistic discussion group where Jet Jaguar won't be disgusted?



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PostPosted: 06/16/17 6:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

As long as we are getting political on here. You guys should educate yourself on just what you think is so great. Planned Parenthood is nothing more than an abortion clinic. If you are pregnant, there is literally nothing that they can offer you except an abortion. Any of the other things they provide can be readily available at community health centers, which are more numerous as well. Go to this website and find out the truth. The Storm should be ashamed of themselves for doing this.
https://www.liveaction.org



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PostPosted: 06/16/17 6:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Bob Lamm wrote:
justintyme wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
Yet another good reason to not support the WNBA anymore. Disgusting.

And this statement disgusts me. Don't let the door hit you on your ass on the way out.

Personally, I applaud the Seattle Storm for standing up for low cost, quality women's health care.


So someone comes onto this board just to spit on the WNBA and spit on those of us who love the WNBA? Really? Doesn't that person have anything better to do? Isn't there some misogynistic discussion group where Jet Jaguar won't be disgusted?

Oh I get it. I'm mysogynistic now. Because I don't believe in what you do and I believe in babies rights, I hate women. I'm probably also racist and homophobic too. I'm used to being called names. I suppose even though you called me a mysogynist, I'm the one who is going to be banned from this board and not you. That would be typical. You hate people who think differently than you do.



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PostPosted: 06/16/17 6:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I have utilized services at Planned Parenthood on three separate occasions and none of them involved an abortion.


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PostPosted: 06/16/17 6:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Jet Jaguar wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
justintyme wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
Yet another good reason to not support the WNBA anymore. Disgusting.

And this statement disgusts me. Don't let the door hit you on your ass on the way out.

Personally, I applaud the Seattle Storm for standing up for low cost, quality women's health care.


So someone comes onto this board just to spit on the WNBA and spit on those of us who love the WNBA? Really? Doesn't that person have anything better to do? Isn't there some misogynistic discussion group where Jet Jaguar won't be disgusted?

Oh I get it. I'm mysogynistic now. Because I don't believe in what you do and I believe in babies rights, I hate women. I'm probably also racist and homophobic too. I'm used to being called names. I suppose even though you called me a mysogynist, I'm the one who is going to be banned from this board and not you. That would be typical. You hate people who think differently than you do.


If you believe that the WNBA isn't worthy of support, then you shouldn't be here whether you have great politics or awful politics. I don't hate you, but I certainly hope you'll go somewhere else with your ugly views and not bother those of us who love the WNBA.



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PostPosted: 06/16/17 6:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

threefrom60 wrote:
I have utilized services at Planned Parenthood on three separate occasions and none of them involved an abortion.


Thanks for sharing this.



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PostPosted: 06/16/17 6:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Good for Seattle !
I wish The Liberty would follow !!!!



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Bob Lamm wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
justintyme wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
Yet another good reason to not support the WNBA anymore. Disgusting.

And this statement disgusts me. Don't let the door hit you on your ass on the way out.

Personally, I applaud the Seattle Storm for standing up for low cost, quality women's health care.


So someone comes onto this board just to spit on the WNBA and spit on those of us who love the WNBA? Really? Doesn't that person have anything better to do? Isn't there some misogynistic discussion group where Jet Jaguar won't be disgusted?

Oh I get it. I'm mysogynistic now. Because I don't believe in what you do and I believe in babies rights, I hate women. I'm probably also racist and homophobic too. I'm used to being called names. I suppose even though you called me a mysogynist, I'm the one who is going to be banned from this board and not you. That would be typical. You hate people who think differently than you do.


If you believe that the WNBA isn't worthy of support, then you shouldn't be here whether you have great politics or awful politics. I don't hate you, but I certainly hope you'll go somewhere else with your ugly views and not bother those of us who love the WNBA.

You just called me a mysogynist. Where are the board monitors when you need them? Oh, they won't care because they agree with you.



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PostPosted: 06/16/17 6:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

threefrom60 wrote:
I have utilized services at Planned Parenthood on three separate occasions and none of them involved an abortion.

Got a mammogram? Nope. Don't provide them.
Prenatal care? Nope. Doesn't do them. You get pregnant, they can help you kill it though
Adoption services? Nope.
Anything you had done can be provided cheaply at other health centers across America.



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Jet Jaguar wrote:
As long as we are getting political on here. You guys should educate yourself on just what you think is so great. Planned Parenthood is nothing more than an abortion clinic. If you are pregnant, there is literally nothing that they can offer you except an abortion. Any of the other things they provide can be readily available at community health centers, which are more numerous as well. Go to this website and find out the truth. The Storm should be ashamed of themselves for doing this.
https://www.liveaction.org


You don't have to have an abortion if you personally don't want to.


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PostPosted: 06/16/17 6:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Bob Lamm wrote:
justintyme wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
Yet another good reason to not support the WNBA anymore. Disgusting.

And this statement disgusts me. Don't let the door hit you on your ass on the way out.

Personally, I applaud the Seattle Storm for standing up for low cost, quality women's health care.


So someone comes onto this board just to spit on the WNBA and spit on those of us who love the WNBA? Really? Doesn't that person have anything better to do? Isn't there some misogynistic discussion group where Jet Jaguar won't be disgusted?


Remember, this is a person who keeps a failed WNBA player as a personal pet and disparages all successful WNBA players (those who earn spots on a team). Keep this in mind while evaluating (ignoring) their statements of disgust directed at others.



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PostPosted: 06/16/17 6:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Jet Jaguar wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
justintyme wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
Yet another good reason to not support the WNBA anymore. Disgusting.

And this statement disgusts me. Don't let the door hit you on your ass on the way out.

Personally, I applaud the Seattle Storm for standing up for low cost, quality women's health care.


So someone comes onto this board just to spit on the WNBA and spit on those of us who love the WNBA? Really? Doesn't that person have anything better to do? Isn't there some misogynistic discussion group where Jet Jaguar won't be disgusted?

Oh I get it. I'm mysogynistic now. Because I don't believe in what you do and I believe in babies rights, I hate women. I'm probably also racist and homophobic too. I'm used to being called names. I suppose even though you called me a mysogynist, I'm the one who is going to be banned from this board and not you. That would be typical. You hate people who think differently than you do.


If you believe that the WNBA isn't worthy of support, then you shouldn't be here whether you have great politics or awful politics. I don't hate you, but I certainly hope you'll go somewhere else with your ugly views and not bother those of us who love the WNBA.

You just called me a mysogynist. Where are the board monitors when you need them? Oh, they won't care because they agree with you.
\

Where are the spelling editors to help you? Smile

People shouldn't be banned from the board just because of their political views. But someone like you who makes it clear you don't support the WNBA should voluntarily leave.



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PostPosted: 06/16/17 6:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Jet Jaguar wrote:
threefrom60 wrote:
I have utilized services at Planned Parenthood on three separate occasions and none of them involved an abortion.

Got a mammogram? Nope. Don't provide them.
Prenatal care? Nope. Doesn't do them. You get pregnant, they can help you kill it though
Adoption services? Nope.
Anything you had done can be provided cheaply at other health centers across America.


The ignorance runs deep with this one. The fact that millions of women no longer have access to health care in their community due to closing of Planned Parenthood Clinics - don't let this FACT get in the way of your personal beliefs. The great BIG state of Texas has thousands of these communities and no transportation to the closest clinic for medical screenings and birth control.

And let's not forget the number of women who die trying to abort themselves or obtaining illegal abortions. Their fetus is also denied their potential life.

A GREAT BIG THANK YOU TO THE SEATTLE STORM OWNERS, MANAGEMENT AND PLAYERS FOR SUPPORTING PLANNED PARENTHOOD!!!



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PostPosted: 06/16/17 6:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

readyAIMfire53 wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
justintyme wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
Yet another good reason to not support the WNBA anymore. Disgusting.

And this statement disgusts me. Don't let the door hit you on your ass on the way out.

Personally, I applaud the Seattle Storm for standing up for low cost, quality women's health care.


So someone comes onto this board just to spit on the WNBA and spit on those of us who love the WNBA? Really? Doesn't that person have anything better to do? Isn't there some misogynistic discussion group where Jet Jaguar won't be disgusted?


Remember, this is a person who keeps a failed WNBA player as a personal pet and disparages all successful WNBA players (those who earn spots on a team). Keep this in mind while evaluating (ignoring) their statements of disgust directed at others.


Thanks.



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Bob Lamm wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
justintyme wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
Yet another good reason to not support the WNBA anymore. Disgusting.

And this statement disgusts me. Don't let the door hit you on your ass on the way out.

Personally, I applaud the Seattle Storm for standing up for low cost, quality women's health care.


So someone comes onto this board just to spit on the WNBA and spit on those of us who love the WNBA? Really? Doesn't that person have anything better to do? Isn't there some misogynistic discussion group where Jet Jaguar won't be disgusted?

Oh I get it. I'm mysogynistic now. Because I don't believe in what you do and I believe in babies rights, I hate women. I'm probably also racist and homophobic too. I'm used to being called names. I suppose even though you called me a mysogynist, I'm the one who is going to be banned from this board and not you. That would be typical. You hate people who think differently than you do.


If you believe that the WNBA isn't worthy of support, then you shouldn't be here whether you have great politics or awful politics. I don't hate you, but I certainly hope you'll go somewhere else with your ugly views and not bother those of us who love the WNBA.

You just called me a mysogynist. Where are the board monitors when you need them? Oh, they won't care because they agree with you.
\

Where are the spelling editors to help you? Smile

People shouldn't be banned from the board just because of their political views. But someone like you who makes it clear you don't support the WNBA should voluntarily leave.


A-Amen! A-Amen! A-Amen. Amen Amen.

(and please release your pet from the cage you keep her in as you go). Sammy is a person who should be free instead of held captive in the WNBA dungeon. Give her some dignity please.



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PostPosted: 06/16/17 6:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

readyAIMfire53 wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
justintyme wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
Yet another good reason to not support the WNBA anymore. Disgusting.

And this statement disgusts me. Don't let the door hit you on your ass on the way out.

Personally, I applaud the Seattle Storm for standing up for low cost, quality women's health care.


So someone comes onto this board just to spit on the WNBA and spit on those of us who love the WNBA? Really? Doesn't that person have anything better to do? Isn't there some misogynistic discussion group where Jet Jaguar won't be disgusted?

Oh I get it. I'm mysogynistic now. Because I don't believe in what you do and I believe in babies rights, I hate women. I'm probably also racist and homophobic too. I'm used to being called names. I suppose even though you called me a mysogynist, I'm the one who is going to be banned from this board and not you. That would be typical. You hate people who think differently than you do.


If you believe that the WNBA isn't worthy of support, then you shouldn't be here whether you have great politics or awful politics. I don't hate you, but I certainly hope you'll go somewhere else with your ugly views and not bother those of us who love the WNBA.

You just called me a mysogynist. Where are the board monitors when you need them? Oh, they won't care because they agree with you.
\

Where are the spelling editors to help you? Smile

People shouldn't be banned from the board just because of their political views. But someone like you who makes it clear you don't support the WNBA should voluntarily leave.


A-Amen! A-Amen! A-Amen. Amen Amen.

(and please release your pet from the cage you keep her in as you go). Sammy is a person who should be free instead of held captive in the WNBA dungeon. Give her some dignity please.


LOL. Free Sammy! Free all political and athletic prisoners! Smile



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PostPosted: 06/16/17 6:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Lib Fan wrote:
Good for Seattle !
I wish The Liberty would follow !!!!


Me too! Makes me want to buy tickets to the supporting Storm game!



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Jet Jaguar wrote:
As long as we are getting political on here. You guys should educate yourself on just what you think is so great. Planned Parenthood is nothing more than an abortion clinic. If you are pregnant, there is literally nothing that they can offer you except an abortion. Any of the other things they provide can be readily available at community health centers, which are more numerous as well. Go to this website and find out the truth. The Storm should be ashamed of themselves for doing this.
https://www.liveaction.org

Wow. How about you find some facts.

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/planned-parenthoods-services/

1) 3% of the services they offer are abortions (which is also a medical service that women require access to BY LEGAL/CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT).

2) Less than 12% of their clients receive an abortion (12% is the high end figure, and that assumes every abortion recorded was by a different person. If people had multiple, that figure lowers substantially).

They do, in fact, provide prenatal care in some of their locations. And the locations that don't offer it can get their clients help in finding an afforable place that does.

Other services:
Contraceptive Services (which helps to keep the number of people requiring abortions to a minimum).

STD Testing and Treatment

Cancer Screening including PAP Smears and Breast Examinations
HPV vaccinations.

Colonoscapies.

Family Planning (and yes, referrals to adoption agencies if requested).

And, of course, pregnancy tests.

Theae are all important and essential services. But you know, because they provide abortions (which so does just about every other major health care provider, they just cost more money) they are somehow deserving of scorn.

It's funny how only poor people (or lower income people) have to wade through demonstrators and face scorn for exercising their constitutional right to not be forced to carry a fetus and give birth against their will. The rich just go to their doctor, pay their money, and have the procedure done.



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PostPosted: 06/16/17 8:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'm not in favor of mixing the WNBA and politics in general. And I'm also not in favor of mixing RebKell and politics. But I have no problem with a team holding any type of fundraiser or aligning itself with a cause, whether its Pride days, Breast Cancer Awareness or Planned Parenthood. Indeed I suspect that the fan base is generally supportive of all these causes, but some object (not so much to BCA). But even if a team were to make a point of supporting a cause with which I disagreed it would not dramatically affect my support. If they had a game where they supported such a cause I might choose to stay away from that game.

I suspect that the Storm will make a tasteful show of support. I doubt seriously, for instance, that they will be giving away free abortions in the lobby, or raffling off free abortions for life. Indeed if I were them I'd make a point of stating that the donations would go specifically for health care services for low income women, just in an effort to not alienate some fans.

But I would also advise Jet Jaguar that you do yourself no favors to speak about such a topic, particularly when it seems you have little knowledge of the full workings of Planned Parenthood or its place in many communities throughout this country. Rather you should keep your mouth shut and let people think you don't know anything than open your mouth and prove them right.


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PostPosted: 06/16/17 8:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Goddamn it, people, a woman can't even go off the grid for half a day? Whether a person's opinion is misinformed and personally offensive or not, that is not an excuse to attack them personally.

That being said: go Storm! I approve wholeheartedly of what they're doing and want a link to the auction when it goes live. Women's health initiatives are so misrepresented out there it's not even funny.



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PostPosted: 06/16/17 9:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Jet Jaguar wrote:
As long as we are getting political on here. You guys should educate yourself on just what you think is so great. Planned Parenthood is nothing more than an abortion clinic. If you are pregnant, there is literally nothing that they can offer you except an abortion. Any of the other things they provide can be readily available at community health centers, which are more numerous as well. Go to this website and find out the truth. The Storm should be ashamed of themselves for doing this.
https://www.liveaction.org


Clueless much? Why are you still posting on these boards?



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PostPosted: 06/16/17 10:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Good for the Storm!


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PostPosted: 06/16/17 10:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

No debating the fact that Planned Parenthood is certainly a trigger for numerous people (I must plead ignorance in regards to PP. I simply don't know enough to formulate an informed opinion).
Forbes did an article a few years ago commenting how the WNBA was starting to proactively court more of their GaL fans in a public way, which they had refrained from doing for some time. Forbes was a bit critical of this move because they felt that the WNBA was giving up on becoming more mainstream and relegating itself to a permanent niche. They also characterized it as a "rallying of the core" group of fans rather than another outreach to new fans. This might be a similar move.
Could this hurt the Father/Athletically Inclined Daughter attendance demographic? I'm not sure. I'm certainly going to follow Storm attendance closely after this. Should be interesting data. This is probably something that would be done on a team by team basis rather than a league wide initiative though. Different areas of the country have vastly different opinions on PP. I don't think my state even has any of their services, but I think that is due to having no population more than anything else.


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PostPosted: 06/16/17 10:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

josephkramer44 wrote:
(I must plead ignorance in regards to PP. I simply don't know enough to formulate an informed opinion).

Oh, and you let that stop you from posting some strong feelings on the subject?? Interesting approach.

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PostPosted: 06/16/17 11:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Luuuc wrote:
josephkramer44 wrote:
(I must plead ignorance in regards to PP. I simply don't know enough to formulate an informed opinion).

Oh, and you let that stop you from posting some strong feelings on the subject?? Interesting approach.

:wink:


Ease up Luuuc. His comment was appropriate, on topic and raised a reasonable issue.


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PostPosted: 06/16/17 11:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Didn't mean for it to sound that way. Looking at it completely from a business perspective and wondering if it will help or hurt attendance and tv ratings. All I know about PP is that its services are geared primarily towards women and children and I am a bachelor so I have never given it much thought. I just know that strong feelings are involved.


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PostPosted: 06/16/17 11:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

calbearman76 wrote:
Luuuc wrote:
josephkramer44 wrote:
(I must plead ignorance in regards to PP. I simply don't know enough to formulate an informed opinion).

Oh, and you let that stop you from posting some strong feelings on the subject?? Interesting approach.

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Ease up Luuuc. His comment was appropriate, on topic and raised a reasonable issue.


I absolutely agree. I guess the meaning/intent of my post was a little ambiguous.
Sorry, jk44. Just to be clear, I've got zero problems with your post. My response was intended as a compliment.



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I'll survive. No worries and no offense taken. This is certainly an interesting topic to at least peruse though, no matter what one's opinions are.


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PostPosted: 06/17/17 1:03 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

From a business prospective this is likely a smart move. Remember, this isn't the WNBA as a whole who are trying to attract a cross-section of values across America as a whole.

This is a Seattle team trying to appeal to the values of Seattle and to a lesser degree, the state of Washington. This is West Coast Liberal territory. PP is immensely popular there and such a drive could have people who are not WNBA fans showing up to games just to support PP. Once there, the hope is to turn them into fans.



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I have no interest in speaking for or against Planned Parenthood, but I do have an opinion on a sports team affiliating with the organization, and I also want to factually support what should be a non-controversial statement by Jet Jaguar.

I think it's fair to say that the primary public perception of Planned Parenthood has always been that of the most well-known birth control clinic, initially, and now the most well-known abortion clinic in the country -- regardless of the other services it does in fact provide.

Planned Parenthood traces its roots to Margaret Sanger's birth control clinic 1916 and took on its current name in 1942. Professional sports teams have been around since the 19th century.

Yet, we read this in the New York Times link in the OP:

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"This marks the first partnership we've ever had with a sports franchise," Dawn Laguens, the executive vice president of the Planned Parenthood Foundation of America, said in an email.


So, why has no professional sports franchise over the past 100 years ever affiliated with the country's most notorious birth control clinic cum abortion provider? I would suggest it's because the owners of all those professional franchises are more politically and economically astute than the owners of the Storm.

In my opinion, it makes no business sense to affiliate a sports franchise -- which should serve as an entertainment escape from the real world -- with the most politically divisive and explosive issue in this country over the last 60 years, abortion. Even today, 45 years after Roe, the country is split exactly 50-50 between pro-life and pro-choice according to Gallup.

Sure, the Storm owner's decision may ring well in the liberal echo chambers of their already-built-in feminist base. But what about the 50% of the American population who are pro-life and who consider Planned Parenthood to be the agent of moral evil? Do the Storm owners not care about alienating all those potential WNBA fans?

And what about Storm team members who may themselves be pro-life for religious or other reasons -- perhaps privately. Will they not feel pressured, or even bullied, to go along with something they disagree with?

I just think it makes no business sense for a sports franchise to involve itself and its players with any political issues, much less one of the most vitriolically divisive political issues since racial segregation. There are hundreds of other worthy organizations a sports team can support without such heavy political baggage.

Jet Jaguar, about whom I've never commented in my life, is being attacked in part for saying this:

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If you are pregnant, there is literally nothing that they can offer you except an abortion. Any of the other things they provide can be readily available at community health centers, which are more numerous as well.


Jet Jaguar's second sentence should be completely non-controversial. It is plainly true.

The first sentence is essentially true because it is limited to patients who are pregnant. We can ascertain this without looking at left-wing or right-wing "fact checking" sites. We can ascertain the relevant facts from Planned Parenthood's 2014-15 Annual Report at page 30.

Of all the medical services the report claims -- and there are many beyond abortion -- the ones available to women already pregnant re their pregnancies seem to be limited to prenatal services (17,419), abortion procedures (323,999) and adoption referrals (2,024). These total to 343,442 services for pregnant women re their pregnancies.

Therefore, abortions comprise 94.3% of all Planned Parenthood services provided to pregnant women with respect to their pregnant condition for the year. So, Planned Parenthood's own data substantially support Jet Jaguar's qualified first sentence.

I voice no opinion on whether these data are good, bad or indifferent in any sense. But they are what they are.
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PostPosted: 06/17/17 1:12 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

justintyme wrote:
From a business prospective this is likely a smart move. Remember, this isn't the WNBA as a whole who are trying to attract a cross-section of values across America as a whole.

This is a Seattle team trying to appeal to the values of Seattle and to a lesser degree, the state of Washington. This is West Coast Liberal territory. PP is immensely popular there and such a drive could have people who are not WNBA fans showing up to games just to support PP. Once there, the hope is to turn them into fans.


I fully agree with justintyme, but I'd specifically note the factor of gender. Many supporters of Planned Parenthood are women, though there are male supporters. (I'm one of them.) In line with what justintyme has written, these women aren't necessarily fans of women's basketball. Perhaps some will come to the game against Chicago due to their support for Planned Parenthood. Perhaps they'll enjoy seeing the Storm, even love the experience, and come again.



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PostPosted: 06/17/17 9:31 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Lost all respect for the Seattle Storm organization, Cheryl Reeve (not that I had any), and Imani Boyette. I don't care what else they do. Any organization that is involved with abortion is reprehensible. I know most people will object to me, but I really don't care so you might as well save your breath.


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PostPosted: 06/17/17 9:50 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Love what the Storm is doing, will have to add them to one of my favorite teams.


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PostPosted: 06/17/17 10:42 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

zvyn3 wrote:
Lost all respect for the Seattle Storm organization, Cheryl Reeve (not that I had any), and Imani Boyette. I don't care what else they do. Any organization that is involved with abortion is reprehensible. I know most people will object to me, but I really don't care so you might as well save your breath.

So you are also opposed to all of the country's major health care providers? Including the Mayo clinic? Which just happens to be the marquee sponsor of the Lynx, along with being recognized as the top hospital in the country?

Abortive services are standard at most OB/GYN practices.

But you are free to have whatever opinions you want; I'm sure Cheryl Reeve and Imani Boyette couldn't care less what you think about them.



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PostPosted: 06/17/17 10:44 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

zvyn3 wrote:
Lost all respect for the Seattle Storm organization, Cheryl Reeve (not that I had any), and Imani Boyette. I don't care what else they do. Any organization that is involved with abortion is reprehensible. I know most people will object to me, but I really don't care so you might as well save your breath.


Everyone's entitled to their opinions. That's what America is supposed to be. The Storm and the league won't lose any fans over this. Like the kneeling controversy and the black lives matter controversy, people will soon forget about this too and move on.


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PostPosted: 06/17/17 10:46 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

justintyme wrote:
zvyn3 wrote:
Lost all respect for the Seattle Storm organization, Cheryl Reeve (not that I had any), and Imani Boyette. I don't care what else they do. Any organization that is involved with abortion is reprehensible. I know most people will object to me, but I really don't care so you might as well save your breath.

So you are also opposed to all of the country's major health care providers? Including the Mayo clinic? Which just happens to be the marquee sponsor of the Lynx, along with being recognized as the top hospital in the country?

Abortive services are standard at most OB/GYN practices.

But you are free to have whatever opinions you want; I'm sure Cheryl Reeve and Imani Boyette couldn't care less what you think about them.


What did Imani Boyette do that's so horrible?


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Ay Mate wrote:
justintyme wrote:
zvyn3 wrote:
Lost all respect for the Seattle Storm organization, Cheryl Reeve (not that I had any), and Imani Boyette. I don't care what else they do. Any organization that is involved with abortion is reprehensible. I know most people will object to me, but I really don't care so you might as well save your breath.

So you are also opposed to all of the country's major health care providers? Including the Mayo clinic? Which just happens to be the marquee sponsor of the Lynx, along with being recognized as the top hospital in the country?

Abortive services are standard at most OB/GYN practices.

But you are free to have whatever opinions you want; I'm sure Cheryl Reeve and Imani Boyette couldn't care less what you think about them.


What did Imani Boyette do that's so horrible?

From the article:

“As always, I’m so appreciative of a league that not only embraces our diversity but our status as women,” Chicago Sky center Imani Boyette said. “Planned Parenthood is vital for women who don’t have access to standard health care. I was a P.P. patient in high school because I didn’t have health insurance. Taking a stand for things that affect the underprivileged, as a league and women of privilege, is how change happens.”

Such a terrible person, worthy of scorn isn't she? How dare she be poor and use the services of low-cost women's health care. SHAME. SHAME. SHAME.



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justintyme wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
justintyme wrote:
zvyn3 wrote:
Lost all respect for the Seattle Storm organization, Cheryl Reeve (not that I had any), and Imani Boyette. I don't care what else they do. Any organization that is involved with abortion is reprehensible. I know most people will object to me, but I really don't care so you might as well save your breath.

So you are also opposed to all of the country's major health care providers? Including the Mayo clinic? Which just happens to be the marquee sponsor of the Lynx, along with being recognized as the top hospital in the country?

Abortive services are standard at most OB/GYN practices.

But you are free to have whatever opinions you want; I'm sure Cheryl Reeve and Imani Boyette couldn't care less what you think about them.


What did Imani Boyette do that's so horrible?

From the article:

“As always, I’m so appreciative of a league that not only embraces our diversity but our status as women,” Chicago Sky center Imani Boyette said. “Planned Parenthood is vital for women who don’t have access to standard health care. I was a P.P. patient in high school because I didn’t have health insurance. Taking a stand for things that affect the underprivileged, as a league and women of privilege, is how change happens.”

Such a terrible person, worthy of scorn isn't she? How dare she be poor and use the services of low-cost women's health care. SHAME. SHAME. SHAME.


This entire thing about the Storm is such a non issue. But again, people have a right to express their opinions. People also have a right to slam people's opinions. This country has more serious issues than worrying about providing health care to poor folks which is what PP does. such as the disgusting troll in the White House. Crime. Poverty. Drugs. Violence. Racism. Bigotry. Homophobia. The disgusting troll in the White House. Oh I already said that one.


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PostPosted: 06/17/17 11:05 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I wonder what wins out when the day comes that Candace Parker makes her views on Planned Parenthood public, and they end up being supportive.

I really don't envy that crisis of conscience.



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Planned Parenthood does 1/3 of all abortions in the United States. Is on tape saying they sell baby body parts to the highest bidder. Laughs about how hard it is to tear a baby apart. Has quotas for abortion. Tries to convince young girls that abortion is the best answer. Has no prenatal care. No adoption services. Aborts 160 babies for every 1 they refer out for adoption. Carries out abortions just because someone doesn't like the baby's sex. Covers up when they encounter sex-trafficking (it's on tape).

And you guys wonder why we are against this reprehensible organization. No money should be given to this place EVER -- much less my tax payer money.



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Jet Jaguar wrote:
Planned Parenthood does 1/3 of all abortions in the United States. Is on tape saying they sell baby body parts to the highest bidder. Laughs about how hard it is to tear a baby apart. Has quotas for abortion. Tries to convince young girls that abortion is the best answer. Has no prenatal care. No adoption services. Aborts 160 babies for every 1 they refer out for adoption. Carries out abortions just because someone doesn't like the baby's sex. Covers up when they encounter sex-trafficking (it's on tape).

And you guys wonder why we are against this reprehensible organization. No money should be given to this place EVER -- much less my tax payer money.


The people who doctored that video tape were found guilty of criminal charges - it was proven in a court of law that it was all lies. Only ignorant people still believe that crap and you show yourself to earn the title of IGNORANT.



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Jet Jaguar wrote:
Planned Parenthood does 1/3 of all abortions in the United States. Is on tape saying they sell baby body parts to the highest bidder. Laughs about how hard it is to tear a baby apart. Has quotas for abortion. Tries to convince young girls that abortion is the best answer. Has no prenatal care. No adoption services. Aborts 160 babies for every 1 they refer out for adoption. Carries out abortions just because someone doesn't like the baby's sex. Covers up when they encounter sex-trafficking (it's on tape).

And you guys wonder why we are against this reprehensible organization. No money should be given to this place EVER -- much less my tax payer money.


The people who doctored that video tape were found guilty of criminal charges - it was proven in a court of law that it was all lies. Only ignorant people still believe that crap and you show yourself to earn the title of IGNORANT.

They are not doctored. They are people planted but they are confirming what they said. And again. The board monitors will do absolutely nothing because you called me ignorant because they agree with you and not me. If I said that, I'd be gone for a month. It's already happened. Plus you didn't refute any of the other stuff I said. Even if that one instance was misrepresented, all the other stuff makes them just as reprehensible.



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Jet Jaguar wrote:
readyAIMfire53 wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
Planned Parenthood does 1/3 of all abortions in the United States. Is on tape saying they sell baby body parts to the highest bidder. Laughs about how hard it is to tear a baby apart. Has quotas for abortion. Tries to convince young girls that abortion is the best answer. Has no prenatal care. No adoption services. Aborts 160 babies for every 1 they refer out for adoption. Carries out abortions just because someone doesn't like the baby's sex. Covers up when they encounter sex-trafficking (it's on tape).

And you guys wonder why we are against this reprehensible organization. No money should be given to this place EVER -- much less my tax payer money.


The people who doctored that video tape were found guilty of criminal charges - it was proven in a court of law that it was all lies. Only ignorant people still believe that crap and you show yourself to earn the title of IGNORANT.

They are not doctored. They are people planted but they are confirming what they said. And again. The board monitors will do absolutely nothing because you called me ignorant. Plus you didn't refute any of the other stuff I said. Even if that one instance was misrepresented, all the other stuff makes them just as reprehensible.


Actually, the videos were heavily edited



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