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PostPosted: 07/11/17 12:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Might Mo Jeff get in over McBride?


That would be the right call



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PostPosted: 07/11/17 12:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Poor Tiff Mitchell. Could have been her first All-Star, but with the Shoni Schimmel Rule in effect, finishes 7th in the backcourt.

Griner's lack of fan popularity/support ultimately cost her a starting spot. While Parker's fan support gave her the nod over Nneka.


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PostPosted: 07/11/17 12:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I was going to see how the voting numbers had changed for each starter from the last All-Star game, but since we didn't get final fan voting numbers for all of them, I'll just do the ones we do have.

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Player                2015 Total        2017 Total    Difference
Maya Moore              13,706     =>     32,866      +19,160
Elena Delle Donne       18,034     =>     31,414      +13,380
Candace Parker           N/A*      =>     29,133      +29,133*
Sylvia Fowles            N/A*      =>     24,904      +24,904*
Sue Bird                 8,088     =>     24,841      +16,753
Nneka Ogwumike           4,880     =>     21,975      +17,095


*Parker and Fowles didn't play during the first half of the 2015 season.




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PostPosted: 07/11/17 12:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
Bench picks

West
Diggins
Gray
Griner
Loyd
Ogwumike
Stewart

East
Clarendon
Dupree
Hill
Prince
Quigley
A Thomas


Those look good to me. Are those your picks or did they announce those as well?

They should have a special guest star appearance by Shoni though.


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PostPosted: 07/11/17 12:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Randy wrote:
pilight wrote:
Bench picks

West
Diggins
Gray
Griner
Loyd
Ogwumike
Stewart

East
Clarendon
Dupree
Hill
Prince
Quigley
A Thomas


Those look good to me. Are those your picks or did they announce those as well?

They should have a special guest star appearance by Shoni though.


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The All-Star reserves, who will be selected by the WNBA’s 12 head coaches, will be announced on Tuesday, July 18 during ESPN2’s telecast of the Storm and the Chicago Sky (9 p.m. ET).


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PostPosted: 07/11/17 12:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

lynxmania wrote:
I was going to see how the voting numbers had changed for each starter from the last All-Star game, but since we didn't get final fan voting numbers for all of them, I'll just do the ones we do have.

Code:
Player                2015 Total        2017 Total    Difference
Maya Moore              13,706     =>     32,866      +19,160
Elena Delle Donne       18,034     =>     31,414      +13,380
Candace Parker           N/A*      =>     29,133      +29,133*
Sylvia Fowles            N/A*      =>     24,904      +24,904*
Sue Bird                 8,088     =>     24,841      +16,753
Nneka Ogwumike           4,880     =>     21,975      +17,095


*Parker and Fowles didn't play during the first half of the 2015 season.



Hmm seems interest is at least up with those #'s more than doubling in the voting section.



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PostPosted: 07/11/17 3:37 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

lynxmania wrote:
Poor Tiff Mitchell. Could have been her first All-Star, but with the Shoni Schimmel Rule in effect, finishes 7th in the backcourt.

Griner's lack of fan popularity/support ultimately cost her a starting spot. While Parker's fan support gave her the nod over Nneka.


Yep, guess since Parker didn't get on the Olympic team her fans made sure she was a starter on the All Star game. BG is the leagues highest scorer and she is not a starter? Popularity votes, not based on performance. DT should be a starter as should BG! Parker should not be. Nor should Moore or EDD be starters cause they haven't played well thus far this season. The coach of the Sun should be coach for the East over Bill L.


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PostPosted: 07/11/17 4:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I really wanted Griner & Fowles starting with Ogwumike at SF.



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PostPosted: 07/11/17 4:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

bballgrl wrote:
lynxmania wrote:
Poor Tiff Mitchell. Could have been her first All-Star, but with the Shoni Schimmel Rule in effect, finishes 7th in the backcourt.

Griner's lack of fan popularity/support ultimately cost her a starting spot. While Parker's fan support gave her the nod over Nneka.


Yep, guess since Parker didn't get on the Olympic team her fans made sure she was a starter on the All Star game. BG is the leagues highest scorer and she is not a starter? Popularity votes, not based on performance. DT should be a starter as should BG! Parker should not be. Nor should Moore or EDD be starters cause they haven't played well thus far this season. The coach of the Sun should be coach for the East over Bill L.


And you feel that DT has out performed these players so far to deserve the starters nod ? Laughing



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WNBA 09 wrote:
bballgrl wrote:
lynxmania wrote:
Poor Tiff Mitchell. Could have been her first All-Star, but with the Shoni Schimmel Rule in effect, finishes 7th in the backcourt.

Griner's lack of fan popularity/support ultimately cost her a starting spot. While Parker's fan support gave her the nod over Nneka.


Yep, guess since Parker didn't get on the Olympic team her fans made sure she was a starter on the All Star game. BG is the leagues highest scorer and she is not a starter? Popularity votes, not based on performance. DT should be a starter as should BG! Parker should not be. Nor should Moore or EDD be starters cause they haven't played well thus far this season. The coach of the Sun should be coach for the East over Bill L.


And you feel that DT has out performed these players so far to deserve the starters nod ? Laughing


I think that DT is getting the nod because she just broke 2 records, if memory serves me correct.



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PostPosted: 07/11/17 5:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

For the player vote, did every player currently in the league vote or was it 1 representative from each team?


Some interesting tidbits from the vote tallies

East players

Frontcourt

Delle Donne was ranked the number 1 pick by the fans and media as expected, but the players selected Charles number 1.

Backcourt

Shavonte Zellous was ranked number 11-fans and 12-media, but the number 4 pick Shocked by the players.

Tiffany Mitchell was ranked number 2- fans Shocked 10-media and 14-players.

Ally Quigley was ranked number 4-media Shocked 10-fans and 13-players.

The number 5 ranked player's pick did not finish among the 10 overall performers.

West

Frontcourt

Nothing too surprising

Backcourt

Players ranked Loyd ahead of Bird Shocked Bird and Augustus ahead of Diggins Shocked Whalen ahead of Chelsea Gray and the biggest head scratcher of all Allisha Gray at 12 Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: 07/11/17 6:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

lynxmania wrote:
Poor Tiff Mitchell. Could have been her first All-Star, but with the Shoni Schimmel Rule in effect, finishes 7th in the backcourt.

Griner's lack of fan popularity/support ultimately cost her a starting spot. While Parker's fan support gave her the nod over Nneka.


Why is Tiffany Mitchell so popular with the fans? She has not yet become a full-time starter and I don't remember her being a household name out of college. She was drafted #9 in 2016.


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PostPosted: 07/11/17 7:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Don't know why anyone thinks Allisha Gray should be anywhere near the All-Star game. She's having a decent year for a rookie, especially compared to the rest of this dismal class, but a pretty damn average year up against everyone else. 40% from the field, awful from three, the occasional assist, and her part in the second-worst defense in the League.

The only Wing with any place in the All-Star game is Diggins.



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Tiffany Hayes man, Tiffany Hayes. #1 across the board. Sweet.



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Tip is making that 2nd round pick back in 2012 look pretty foolish now. 7 of the 13 players picked ahead of her are out of the WNBA now. I think that only Nneka and Glory Johnson have been All Stars. Good for her. She played in Angel's shadow all this time and finally has her breakout season.


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PostPosted: 07/11/17 8:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

sigur3 wrote:
bcdawg04 wrote:
Might Mo Jeff get in over McBride?


That would be the right call


In what bizarro universe?


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ArtBest23 wrote:
sigur3 wrote:
bcdawg04 wrote:
Might Mo Jeff get in over McBride?


That would be the right call


In what bizarro universe?

The one where McBride continues to pile up counting stats via the method of 'taking a crapload of shots'? Jefferson has had the injury issues and played a few fewer games, but she's not just more efficient than McBride, she's wildly more efficient than McBride. Pretty much every advanced stat is in Jefferson's favour as well, if you like those sorts of things.

Although personally, I don't think either should make it in a West that has enough good options not to have the unspoken 'token player from every team however shit they are' rule implemented.



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PostPosted: 07/11/17 10:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

If you're a believer in net +/- then the starters should be...

West
Sue Bird
Moriah Jefferson
Sylvia Fowles
Crystal Langhorne
Theresa Plaisance

East
Tiffany Mitchell
Shavonte Zellous
Tina Charles
Elena Delle Donne
Stefanie Dolson



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PostPosted: 07/11/17 11:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

my reserve picks

east
g-Clarendon
g-Pondexter
g-Rodgers
f-A. Thomas
f-Dupree
c-Dolson

west
g-Diggins
g-Loyd
g-C. Gray
f-Stewart
f-N. Ogwumike
c-Griner


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Richyyy wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
sigur3 wrote:
bcdawg04 wrote:
Might Mo Jeff get in over McBride?


That would be the right call


In what bizarro universe?

The one where McBride continues to pile up counting stats via the method of 'taking a crapload of shots'? Jefferson has had the injury issues and played a few fewer games, but she's not just more efficient than McBride, she's wildly more efficient than McBride. Pretty much every advanced stat is in Jefferson's favour as well, if you like those sorts of things.

Although personally, I don't think either should make it in a West that has enough good options not to have the unspoken 'token player from every team however shit they are' rule implemented.


McBride takes a lot of shots because the coach wanrs her to bevause if she didn't the team would barely score at all. So you're thinking the guard who got benched in favor of a mediocre underperforming rookie should be an all star?


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ArtBest23 wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
sigur3 wrote:
bcdawg04 wrote:
Might Mo Jeff get in over McBride?


That would be the right call


In what bizarro universe?

The one where McBride continues to pile up counting stats via the method of 'taking a crapload of shots'? Jefferson has had the injury issues and played a few fewer games, but she's not just more efficient than McBride, she's wildly more efficient than McBride. Pretty much every advanced stat is in Jefferson's favour as well, if you like those sorts of things.

Although personally, I don't think either should make it in a West that has enough good options not to have the unspoken 'token player from every team however shit they are' rule implemented.


McBride takes a lot of shots because the coach wanrs her to bevause if she didn't the team would barely score at all. So you're thinking the guard who got benched in favor of a mediocre underperforming rookie should be an all star?

Jefferson being benched for a clearly inferior player is evidence of what, exactly? Other than the general dysfunction in San Antonio, and the attempt to get their draft pick to show something?

And yes, McBride takes lots of shots partly because there aren't many other options, and because Johnson's offense is a trainwreck. That doesn't mean she's doing it well. If the coach's offensive scheme involves handing the ball to the opposition on every possession, the point guard isn't an all-star because of her outstanding 9000-1 turnover-to-assist ratio.



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PostPosted: 07/12/17 11:05 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

bballgrl wrote:
lynxmania wrote:
Poor Tiff Mitchell. Could have been her first All-Star, but with the Shoni Schimmel Rule in effect, finishes 7th in the backcourt.

Griner's lack of fan popularity/support ultimately cost her a starting spot. While Parker's fan support gave her the nod over Nneka.


Yep, guess since Parker didn't get on the Olympic team her fans made sure she was a starter on the All Star game. BG is the leagues highest scorer and she is not a starter? Popularity votes, not based on performance. DT should be a starter as should BG! Parker should not be. Nor should Moore or EDD be starters cause they haven't played well thus far this season. The coach of the Sun should be coach for the East over Bill L.
Parker is starting at pf which means Fowles is starting at center for the west team. As good as BG has been playing she hasn't be better than Fowles. CP has always been voted as a starter in the AllStars gm so saying that her fans made sure to vote for her because of the Olympics snub is foolish. Before the two bad performances Parker has been averaging a double double in LA 8 straight wins.




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I'm still surprised Bird is starting over Diggins-smith
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JJones and Tiff Hayes Cool


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Libra_Girl wrote:
bballgrl wrote:
lynxmania wrote:
Poor Tiff Mitchell. Could have been her first All-Star, but with the Shoni Schimmel Rule in effect, finishes 7th in the backcourt.

Griner's lack of fan popularity/support ultimately cost her a starting spot. While Parker's fan support gave her the nod over Nneka.


Yep, guess since Parker didn't get on the Olympic team her fans made sure she was a starter on the All Star game. BG is the leagues highest scorer and she is not a starter? Popularity votes, not based on performance. DT should be a starter as should BG! Parker should not be. Nor should Moore or EDD be starters cause they haven't played well thus far this season. The coach of the Sun should be coach for the East over Bill L.
Parker is starting at pf which means Fowles is starting at center for the west team. As good as BG has been playing she hasn't be better than Fowles. CP has always been voted as a starter in the AllStars gm so saying that her fans made sure to vote for her because of the Olympics snub is foolish. Before the two bad performances Parker has been averaging a double double in LA 8 straight wins.

It's three 'frontcourt' players, so Fowles and Griner could've been in the starting lineup together.



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Richyyy wrote:
Libra_Girl wrote:
bballgrl wrote:
lynxmania wrote:
Poor Tiff Mitchell. Could have been her first All-Star, but with the Shoni Schimmel Rule in effect, finishes 7th in the backcourt.

Griner's lack of fan popularity/support ultimately cost her a starting spot. While Parker's fan support gave her the nod over Nneka.


Yep, guess since Parker didn't get on the Olympic team her fans made sure she was a starter on the All Star game. BG is the leagues highest scorer and she is not a starter? Popularity votes, not based on performance. DT should be a starter as should BG! Parker should not be. Nor should Moore or EDD be starters cause they haven't played well thus far this season. The coach of the Sun should be coach for the East over Bill L.
Parker is starting at pf which means Fowles is starting at center for the west team. As good as BG has been playing she hasn't be better than Fowles. CP has always been voted as a starter in the AllStars gm so saying that her fans made sure to vote for her because of the Olympics snub is foolish. Before the two bad performances Parker has been averaging a double double in LA 8 straight wins.

It's three 'frontcourt' players, so Fowles and Griner could've been in the starting lineup together.
Thats the thing you can play CP with Fowles or BG but you can't play them together. Anyway BG will likely be a reserve.


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Libra_Girl wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
Libra_Girl wrote:
bballgrl wrote:
lynxmania wrote:
Poor Tiff Mitchell. Could have been her first All-Star, but with the Shoni Schimmel Rule in effect, finishes 7th in the backcourt.

Griner's lack of fan popularity/support ultimately cost her a starting spot. While Parker's fan support gave her the nod over Nneka.


Yep, guess since Parker didn't get on the Olympic team her fans made sure she was a starter on the All Star game. BG is the leagues highest scorer and she is not a starter? Popularity votes, not based on performance. DT should be a starter as should BG! Parker should not be. Nor should Moore or EDD be starters cause they haven't played well thus far this season. The coach of the Sun should be coach for the East over Bill L.
Parker is starting at pf which means Fowles is starting at center for the west team. As good as BG has been playing she hasn't be better than Fowles. CP has always been voted as a starter in the AllStars gm so saying that her fans made sure to vote for her because of the Olympics snub is foolish. Before the two bad performances Parker has been averaging a double double in LA 8 straight wins.

It's three 'frontcourt' players, so Fowles and Griner could've been in the starting lineup together.
Thats the thing you can play CP with Fowles or BG but you can't play them together. Anyway BG will likely be a reserve.


That doesnt matter in the allstargame though. Bird or Taurasi will get them the ball anyway



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#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
I'm still surprised Bird is starting over Diggins-smith


1) it's in Seattle.
2) they're making a big deal of her tying the record for most appearances.

I'm not surprised at all she's starting. There's more than one "lifetime achievement award" among those starting slots.


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Richyyy wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
sigur3 wrote:
bcdawg04 wrote:
Might Mo Jeff get in over McBride?


That would be the right call


In what bizarro universe?

The one where McBride continues to pile up counting stats via the method of 'taking a crapload of shots'? Jefferson has had the injury issues and played a few fewer games, but she's not just more efficient than McBride, she's wildly more efficient than McBride. Pretty much every advanced stat is in Jefferson's favour as well, if you like those sorts of things.

Although personally, I don't think either should make it in a West that has enough good options not to have the unspoken 'token player from every team however shit they are' rule implemented.


McBride takes a lot of shots because the coach wanrs her to bevause if she didn't the team would barely score at all. So you're thinking the guard who got benched in favor of a mediocre underperforming rookie should be an all star?

Jefferson being benched for a clearly inferior player is evidence of what, exactly? Other than the general dysfunction in San Antonio, and the attempt to get their draft pick to show something?

And yes, McBride takes lots of shots partly because there aren't many other options, and because Johnson's offense is a trainwreck. That doesn't mean she's doing it well. If the coach's offensive scheme involves handing the ball to the opposition on every possession, the point guard isn't an all-star because of her outstanding 9000-1 turnover-to-assist ratio.


So the Stars won their second game today without Jefferson ever stepping onto the court. But they didn't win it without McBride being high scorer and getting 18 points, six assists, six rebounds, three steals, with only one turnover and one foul. There's no question who the best and most valuable player is on the Stars, and it's not Jefferson. It's not even close.


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ArtBest23 wrote:
#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
I'm still surprised Bird is starting over Diggins-smith


1) it's in Seattle.
2) they're making a big deal of her tying the record for most appearances.

I'm not surprised at all she's starting. There's more than one "lifetime achievement award" among those starting slots.


Yes Bird is a very popular player and the ASG is in Seattle but i think some people forget that she is leading the league in assists with a career high 6,7 assists per game and only 2,1 TO's while shooting 45% from the field and 41,4 from behind the arc. So this is not a lifetime achievement award.

Diggins will be getting that all wnba first team spot if she keeps playing like this the rest of the season. I dont think she minds not starting in the ASG Wink



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Michelle89 wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
I'm still surprised Bird is starting over Diggins-smith


1) it's in Seattle.
2) they're making a big deal of her tying the record for most appearances.

I'm not surprised at all she's starting. There's more than one "lifetime achievement award" among those starting slots.


Yes Bird is a very popular player and the ASG is in Seattle but i think some people forget that she is leading the league in assists with a career high 6,7 assists per game and only 2,1 TO's while shooting 45% from the field and 41,4 from behind the arc. So this is not a lifetime achievement award.

Diggins will be getting that all wnba first team spot if she keeps playing like this the rest of the season. I dont think she minds not starting in the ASG Wink



Possible continuation of the Bird is too old and is only starting on TEAM USA because of Geno/anti-UCONN bullshit that has originated from the same source for over a decade.



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ArtBest23 wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
sigur3 wrote:
bcdawg04 wrote:
Might Mo Jeff get in over McBride?


That would be the right call


In what bizarro universe?

The one where McBride continues to pile up counting stats via the method of 'taking a crapload of shots'? Jefferson has had the injury issues and played a few fewer games, but she's not just more efficient than McBride, she's wildly more efficient than McBride. Pretty much every advanced stat is in Jefferson's favour as well, if you like those sorts of things.

Although personally, I don't think either should make it in a West that has enough good options not to have the unspoken 'token player from every team however shit they are' rule implemented.


McBride takes a lot of shots because the coach wanrs her to bevause if she didn't the team would barely score at all. So you're thinking the guard who got benched in favor of a mediocre underperforming rookie should be an all star?

Jefferson being benched for a clearly inferior player is evidence of what, exactly? Other than the general dysfunction in San Antonio, and the attempt to get their draft pick to show something?

And yes, McBride takes lots of shots partly because there aren't many other options, and because Johnson's offense is a trainwreck. That doesn't mean she's doing it well. If the coach's offensive scheme involves handing the ball to the opposition on every possession, the point guard isn't an all-star because of her outstanding 9000-1 turnover-to-assist ratio.


So the Stars won their second game today without Jefferson ever stepping onto the court. But they didn't win it without McBride being high scorer and getting 18 points, six assists, six rebounds, three steals, with only one turnover and one foul. There's no question who the best and most valuable player is on the Stars, and it's not Jefferson. It's not even close.


So when the Stars won their first game, McBride shot a sterling 4-11 and in 32+ mins. also contributed 0 rebounds, 2 As, 1 TO and 1 stl. Meanwhile, in 20 less seconds MJ was 6-8 inc. an equal number of 3s made in 3 less attempts, 1 rebound, 8 As/2TOs and 1 stl.

For the year MJ is a much better shooter, especially from 3 (44-32%). Naturally, MJ's A/TO ratio dwarfs KM's.

At least KM out-rebounds her in those 7+ more MPG though.

Closer than you realize.



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Lisa Borders Talks 2017 WNBA All-Star Game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDPGwKjR0Lk


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Might Mo Jeff get in over McBride?


That would be the right call


In what bizarro universe?

The one where McBride continues to pile up counting stats via the method of 'taking a crapload of shots'? Jefferson has had the injury issues and played a few fewer games, but she's not just more efficient than McBride, she's wildly more efficient than McBride. Pretty much every advanced stat is in Jefferson's favour as well, if you like those sorts of things.

Although personally, I don't think either should make it in a West that has enough good options not to have the unspoken 'token player from every team however shit they are' rule implemented.


McBride takes a lot of shots because the coach wanrs her to bevause if she didn't the team would barely score at all. So you're thinking the guard who got benched in favor of a mediocre underperforming rookie should be an all star?

Jefferson being benched for a clearly inferior player is evidence of what, exactly? Other than the general dysfunction in San Antonio, and the attempt to get their draft pick to show something?

And yes, McBride takes lots of shots partly because there aren't many other options, and because Johnson's offense is a trainwreck. That doesn't mean she's doing it well. If the coach's offensive scheme involves handing the ball to the opposition on every possession, the point guard isn't an all-star because of her outstanding 9000-1 turnover-to-assist ratio.


So the Stars won their second game today without Jefferson ever stepping onto the court. But they didn't win it without McBride being high scorer and getting 18 points, six assists, six rebounds, three steals, with only one turnover and one foul. There's no question who the best and most valuable player is on the Stars, and it's not Jefferson. It's not even close.


So when the Stars won their first game, McBride shot a sterling 4-11 and in 32+ mins. also contributed 0 rebounds, 2 As, 1 TO and 1 stl. Meanwhile, in 20 less seconds MJ was 6-8 inc. an equal number of 3s made in 3 less attempts, 1 rebound, 8 As/2TOs and 1 stl.

For the year MJ is a much better shooter, especially from 3 (44-32%). Naturally, MJ's A/TO ratio dwarfs KM's.

At least KM out-rebounds her in those 7+ more MPG though.

Closer than you realize.


Sorry to jump in Laughing , But as for my observation of this season . Mo Jeff has become this teams best player. Most consistent and highest basketball IQ on the Team. I was a firm believer these past few seasons that KMac was the go to player and the player to take the team on her back , but ive noticed she just shoots alot and does not really trust her teammates on offense judged by her shot selection. This year has become Mo Jeffs team although thats not really saying much with a 2-Infinity win/loss record.



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All-Star Reserves
East
Layshia Clarendon, Atlanta
Stefanie Dolson, Chicago
Candice Dupree, Indiana
Allie Quigley, Chicago
Alyssa Thomas, Connecticut
Elizabeth Williams, Atlanta

West
Seimone Augustus, Minnesota
Skylar Diggins-Smith, Dallas
Chelsea Gray, Los Angeles
Brittney Griner, Phoenix
Nneka Ogwumike, Los Angeles
Breanna Stewart, Seattle


*President Borders will select replacements for Griner and Delle Donne at a later date




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No EDD... no Griner... Taurasi?

McBride with an ankle injury as a replacement to get someone from SA there?

Interesting... Shocked



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No EDD... no Griner... Taurasi?


EDD and Taurasi were selected to start. Griner was selected as a reserve.


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22 All Stars include 20 first round picks and two second rounders. 15 of the 22 were taken in the top five picks of their draft.

By draft class

1 2002
1 2004
2 2006
3 2008
1 2010
2 2011
2 2012
4 2013
3 2014
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For those who doubt the importance of winning the lottery, only there are only two No. 1 picks currently playing who aren't on the teams. Of those, Loyd is the only Top 10 scorer not selected for the game.


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Replacements: Harrison for Griner & Zellous for Delle Donne with A. Thomas starting.



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Replace Griner with Lloyd or GloJo? Im Biased So im sticking with a post for a post and saying Glory As the replacement. Plus she can dunk good for entertainment as lisa says Rolling Eyes



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Replacements: Harrison for Griner & Zellous for Delle Donne with A. Thomas starting.


Glory < Harrison



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Brunson should replace Griner, or else fudge it and get Beard in there.

West has a few more that could/should be All-Stars, while half of the East team is quite a stretch. Time to just take the best 22 from whichever conference and sort out teams later?



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Dupree and Williams are probably the only two that would not be All-Stars under that scenario.


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Brunson should replace Griner, or else fudge it and get Beard in there.

West has a few more that could/should be All-Stars, while half of the East team is quite a stretch. Time to just take the best 22 from whichever conference and sort out teams later?

Replacements don't have to be the same position, so there'd be no fudging necessary to go with Beard. Those would be my picks as well, in the same order. You could argue either should be in the original teams, even though it's tough to fit people in in the West.

I find it easier cutting people out of the East roster than finding anyone extra to add. But given that she's already going, it's probably Rodgers.



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PUmatty wrote:
For those who doubt the importance of winning the lottery, only there are only two No. 1 picks currently playing who aren't on the teams. Of those, Loyd is the only Top 10 scorer not selected for the game.


The drop off to #2 is significant. Only two of the nine #2 picks currently playing made it (in both cases the #1 pick from the same draft also made it).



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I'd go with Brunson as the replacement. No doubt Idea







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Did Elizabeth Williams get traded from Atlanta without anyone, including her and the Dream, knowing? I mean it's awful just HOW WRONG the article got it:

http://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/20099108/nneka-ogwumike-breanna-stewart-brittney-griner-12-wnba-all-star-game-reserves

"In the East, Atlanta's Layshia Clarendon, Chicago's Allie Quigley, Connecticut's Alyssa Thomas and Connecticut's Elizabeth Williams will all make their All-Star debuts."


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Did Elizabeth Williams get traded from Atlanta without anyone, including her and the Dream, knowing? I mean it's awful just HOW WRONG the article got it:

http://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/20099108/nneka-ogwumike-breanna-stewart-brittney-griner-12-wnba-all-star-game-reserves

"In the East, Atlanta's Layshia Clarendon, Chicago's Allie Quigley, Connecticut's Alyssa Thomas and Connecticut's Elizabeth Williams will all make their All-Star debuts."


I guess they sent her back lol . Last night after the Chi = Sea game ended . When espn intro'ed the 2 broadcasters one guy and one woman stated that Chicago came away with the win playing without THERE all star Elena Delle Donne Laughing Laughing smh



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I have found that most broadcasters tend to live in the past. And that relates to all sports. They tend to evaluate players based on reputations and established sound bites rather than what they are actually doing. I found this especially true in the NFL. So this sort of thing is nothing new.


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