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Luuuc #NATC
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Posted: 05/22/17 9:50 pm ::: Liberty @ Mercury - 5/23/17 |
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10:00 PM ET
Talking Stick Resort Arena
Tuesday, May 23, 2017
Game info: http://www.wnba.com/game/20170523/NYLPHO/
TV: League Pass; MSG
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LibFan25
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Posted: 05/23/17 7:16 am ::: |
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Bria Hartley i think will be starting PG, i want to see aggressiveness from her, a killer instinct, don't want to see no hesitation. Lets get this win #2.
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Luuuc #NATC
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Posted: 05/23/17 8:47 am ::: |
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Normally I'd say that the respective missing guards favours the Libs, but Boyd has been pretty effective so far, and Dee has been ordinary at best. I think the main effect of Dee's absence might be felt in how BG plays.
The bookies have Phoenix as slight favourites, but I'm not sure I agree with them. Will be interesting to see how both teams adjust. The Merc were already playing a midget backcourt of D-Rob + Leilani for stages, and they're going to have to do that even more now. If I'm NY then I'm trying to get BG in foul trouble, because it's game over if they can. Traditionally it's a pretty easy thing to do, too.
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Michelle89
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Posted: 05/23/17 9:08 am ::: |
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Luuuc wrote: |
Normally I'd say that the respective missing guards favours the Libs, but Boyd has been pretty effective so far, and Dee has been ordinary at best. I think the main effect of Dee's absence might be felt in how BG plays.
The bookies have Phoenix as slight favourites, but I'm not sure I agree with them. Will be interesting to see how both teams adjust. The Merc were already playing a midget backcourt of D-Rob + Leilani for stages, and they're going to have to do that even more now. If I'm NY then I'm trying to get BG in foul trouble, because it's game over if they can. Traditionally it's a pretty easy thing to do, too. |
Even if Griner scores 30 in this game who else is going to score for the Mercury to get another 50 pts
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Luuuc #NATC
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Posted: 05/23/17 9:12 am ::: |
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Michelle89 wrote: |
Luuuc wrote: |
Normally I'd say that the respective missing guards favours the Libs, but Boyd has been pretty effective so far, and Dee has been ordinary at best. I think the main effect of Dee's absence might be felt in how BG plays.
The bookies have Phoenix as slight favourites, but I'm not sure I agree with them. Will be interesting to see how both teams adjust. The Merc were already playing a midget backcourt of D-Rob + Leilani for stages, and they're going to have to do that even more now. If I'm NY then I'm trying to get BG in foul trouble, because it's game over if they can. Traditionally it's a pretty easy thing to do, too. |
Even if Griner scores 30 in this game who else is going to score for the Mercury to get another 50 pts |
I'm wondering exactly the same thing, even if it's only another 40 we need to score. Pretty sure it ain't gonna be Camille!
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root_thing
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Posted: 05/23/17 9:51 am ::: |
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This is the first time I've looked at the Phoenix roster closely and it's really constructed in an unusual way. When was the last time we saw a WNBA roster with only three 1st Round picks? When was the last time we saw a WNBA team with three undrafted American players? Probably during the early days of the league before there was much of a draft history. This sounds like a question for pilight!
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pilight
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Posted: 05/23/17 9:57 am ::: |
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The Merc have four first round picks (Griner, Murphy, Robinson, Taurasi)
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root_thing
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Posted: 05/23/17 10:12 am ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
The Merc have four first round picks (Griner, Murphy, Robinson, Taurasi) |
Murphy was a 2nd Round pick. I know the league has changed size over the years, but according to WNBA.com, #15 in 2007 was the second pick of the 2nd Round.
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pilight
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Posted: 05/23/17 10:18 am ::: |
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root_thing wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
The Merc have four first round picks (Griner, Murphy, Robinson, Taurasi) |
Murphy was a 2nd Round pick. I know the league has changed size over the years, but according to WNBA.com, #15 in 2007 was the second pick of the 2nd Round. |
That's what I get for going by memory instead of waiting to research properly when I get back home
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Posted: 05/23/17 11:31 am ::: |
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Is Murphy still injured? That would leave the Mercury with only ten players tonight.
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root_thing
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Posted: 05/23/17 12:17 pm ::: |
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Has anyone noticed that Phoenix is the best defensive team in the league measured by both points and DRtg? Meanwhile, NY is second worst in points scored and third worst in ORtg. So, maybe Phoenix is actually in a better position than NY to go for the ugly, low-scoring, grind it out win?
Laimbeer has already said that they have some adjustments in place for Griner, which probably means trapping her like they did last year. So, Phoenix needs their outside shooters to make some shots, namely FLB, George, and anyone else with any kind of history of being serviceable from outside -- Little, Prince, Brunner? For the Liberty, it might help if Tina and Piph made some shots for a change.
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dab44lb
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Posted: 05/23/17 1:58 pm ::: |
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root_thing wrote: |
Has anyone noticed that Phoenix is the best defensive team in the league measured by both points and DRtg? Meanwhile, NY is second worst in points scored and third worst in ORtg. So, maybe Phoenix is actually in a better position than NY to go for the ugly, low-scoring, grind it out win?
Laimbeer has already said that they have some adjustments in place for Griner, which probably means trapping her like they did last year. So, Phoenix needs their outside shooters to make some shots, namely FLB, George, and anyone else with any kind of history of being serviceable from outside -- Little, Prince, Brunner? For the Liberty, it might help if Tina and Piph made some shots for a change. |
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pilight
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Posted: 05/23/17 3:14 pm ::: |
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toad455 wrote: |
Is Murphy still injured? That would leave the Mercury with only ten players tonight. |
Murphy is a game time decision
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Posted: 05/23/17 4:09 pm ::: |
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Phoenix altered their look this year and I don't think the types of players they acquired were by accident. Adding players with defensive acumen like Danielle Robinson and Camille Little changes their look entirely. So I just think they're a strong defensive team, period. Given that we have no idea what to expect from NY offensively, who's say Phoenix won't win this game 68-65 or something like that?
Also, here's an interesting article on Piph:
http://www.msgnetworks.com/2017/05/22/prince-took-on-demons-now-poised-to-take-on-wnba/
It mentions that she feels she has lost some explosiveness. That surprised me because I thought physically she's looked ok. My expectations of her and of the team as a whole have moderated quite a bit. Hopefully it's just me leaning negative and I'll turn out to be pleasantly surprised.
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root_thing
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toad455
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Posted: 05/23/17 7:52 pm ::: |
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wonder who starts for both teams. Does Hartley start at PG or Prince? Does Mitchell start in place of Taurasi or does Turner? Is Murphy playing?
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toad455
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Posted: 05/23/17 9:11 pm ::: |
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Starters:
Liberty: Prince-Rodgers-Zellous-Charles-Stokes
Mercury: Robinson-Mitchell-Talbot-Little-Griner
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toad455
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Posted: 05/23/17 9:19 pm ::: |
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Phoenix starting off cold. Little with two quick fouls.
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Luuuc #NATC
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Posted: 05/23/17 9:31 pm ::: |
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Stop fouling, Merc! Also, stop being whistled for non-fouls!
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LibFan25
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Posted: 05/23/17 9:32 pm ::: |
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If the libs wants to win this game they gotta stop turning the ball over. This team still frustrates me.
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