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PostPosted: 05/06/17 9:37 am    ::: Jim Comey is another lying asshole Reply Reply with quote

"speak or conceal".

You spoke on one of the issues while concealing the potentially more threatening one.

Douche.



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PostPosted: 05/09/17 4:47 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Comey fired.

Not nice of Chump to fire the guy possibly most responsible for getting him elected.



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PostPosted: 05/09/17 5:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So, what is considered the most corrupt, sleaziest, low down, four years can't pass fast enough WH administration in history?

I'm not sure how to actually measure that.

There's Nixon.

I've read where Reagan's had the most people arrested.

Clinton had a big scandal.

And after 4 months, where does this one rank?

Maybe because I'm LIVING IT, but I'd have to rank this one pretty corrupt, sleazy, low down and four years seems like a lifetime! Maybe 10 lifetimes!!!!!



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PostPosted: 05/09/17 5:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The attitude is different.

Nixon's cronies knew perfectly well that what they were doing was wrong but did it anyhow for a variety of motivations.

This administration manifests an attitude that all these anti-corruption and conflict of interest laws are just a bunch of silly nuisances and annoyances that they are free to ignore.

It's different. I think this one is actually worse. These folks have no sense of integrity that I can discern.

I don't think Nixon and the others you named were motivated quite so much by greed as by power, though. On the other hand, before it's done, this crew may give Harding a good run for the most financially corrupt group.


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PostPosted: 05/09/17 6:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

We're gonna need the media to get it's shit together and figure out what's going on. It's clear our investigative process isn't going to work.



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PostPosted: 05/09/17 6:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Comey fired? Holy Archibald Cox!



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PostPosted: 05/09/17 6:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Comey fired? Holy Archibald Cox!


Let's not make Comey into some upstanding hero here.

He didn't exactly cover himself in glory.

Patrick Leahy seems to be about the only one expressing outrage (something he has refined to an art form,).


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PostPosted: 05/09/17 6:51 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Sanders:

"Donald Trump’s decision to fire FBI Director James Comey raises serious questions about what his administration is hiding. Why did President Trump fire the person leading the investigation into possible collusion between his campaign and the Russian government? I find it deeply troubling that this decision comes a day after damning testimony by former acting Attorney General Sally Yates on Russia’s ties to the Trump campaign and just days before Comey was scheduled to appear before the Senate Intelligence Committee.

President Trump has repeatedly taken steps to kill inquiries into Russia’s involvement in the U.S. election. It is clear that whomever President Trump handpicks to lead the FBI will not be able to objectively carry out this investigation. We need an independent investigation into the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia."



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PostPosted: 05/09/17 7:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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The attitude is different.

Nixon's cronies knew perfectly well that what they were doing was wrong but did it anyhow for a variety of motivations.

This administration manifests an attitude that all these anti-corruption and conflict of interest laws are just a bunch of silly nuisances and annoyances that they are free to ignore.

It's different. I think this one is actually worse. These folks have no sense of integrity that I can discern.

I don't think Nixon and the others you named were motivated quite so much by greed as by power, though. On the other hand, before it's done, this crew may give Harding a good run for the most financially corrupt group.



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PostPosted: 05/09/17 9:22 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Trump is such a douche.

The way the firing was handled is so fucked up.



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PostPosted: 05/09/17 9:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Trump is such a douche.

The way the firing was handled is so fucked up.


I wish I could stay up and watch Colbert tonight. Oh well, I guess I'll record it and watch in the morning.

If this one is half as good as the on Dickerson/Putin.... Laughing



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PostPosted: 05/09/17 11:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I don't know who was more ridiculous tonight. Spicer and Conway trying to defend the timing of the firing for something that happened months ago that Trump at the time called "courageous", or the MSNBC crowd suddenly tripping over each other trying to turn a guy they've been crucifying for six months into some kind of great American hero.

They're both completely full of shit.

It's just politics as usual.


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PostPosted: 05/10/17 8:02 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I don't know who was more ridiculous tonight. Spicer and Conway trying to defend the timing of the firing for something that happened months ago that Trump at the time called "courageous", or the MSNBC crowd suddenly tripping over each other trying to turn a guy they've been crucifying for six months into some kind of great American hero.

They're both completely full of shit.

It's just politics as usual.




I didn't see that on MSNBC, but I only watched from 8-11.

Focusing on how Comey is portrayed by "the 2 sides" is just another distraction anyway.

Trump fired Comey because he lead the FBI's counter-intelligence investigation into Trump/Russia hanky panky and drew too close for Trump's comfort. That's the only story here.



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PostPosted: 05/10/17 9:59 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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ArtBest23 wrote:
I don't know who was more ridiculous tonight. Spicer and Conway trying to defend the timing of the firing for something that happened months ago that Trump at the time called "courageous", or the MSNBC crowd suddenly tripping over each other trying to turn a guy they've been crucifying for six months into some kind of great American hero.

They're both completely full of shit.

It's just politics as usual.




I didn't see that on MSNBC, but I only watched from 8-11.

Focusing on how Comey is portrayed by "the 2 sides" is just another distraction anyway.

Trump fired Comey because he lead the FBI's counter-intelligence investigation into Trump/Russia hanky panky and drew too close for Trump's comfort. That's the only story here.


I'll remind you what YOU named this thread - "Jim Comey is another lying asshole".

He's not some kind of hero or martyr. And firing him isn't going to stop the investigation.


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PostPosted: 05/10/17 10:02 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Comey is a slime ball of a certain flavor.

Trump & Co. represents a whole BAG of slime, entirely too amorphous to define....it just oozes everywhere, and does not necessarily play well with other slime.

Though he said it (what now seems like...) EONS ago, the principle is as applicable as ever: "I could pull out a gun and shoot somebody on 5th Ave., and my poll numbers would go up."

He and all his cronies have no fear of The Establishment, and challenge limits and conventions with impunity. Rather than hide things, he orchestrates his Clusterfuck Dog & Pony show as a distraction, which is hugely popular with the mentally deficient Average American audience.



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PostPosted: 05/10/17 6:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
cthskzfn wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
I don't know who was more ridiculous tonight. Spicer and Conway trying to defend the timing of the firing for something that happened months ago that Trump at the time called "courageous", or the MSNBC crowd suddenly tripping over each other trying to turn a guy they've been crucifying for six months into some kind of great American hero.

They're both completely full of shit.

It's just politics as usual.




I didn't see that on MSNBC, but I only watched from 8-11.

Focusing on how Comey is portrayed by "the 2 sides" is just another distraction anyway.

Trump fired Comey because he lead the FBI's counter-intelligence investigation into Trump/Russia hanky panky and drew too close for Trump's comfort. That's the only story here.


I'll remind you what YOU named this thread - "Jim Comey is another lying asshole".

He's not some kind of hero or martyr. And firing him isn't going to stop the investigation.


Not sure why your shorts are in a wad. Because I didn't see the "martyrdom" you accused MSNBC of?

Again, the only story is that Trump is running scared, and has now fired the 3 people who were investigating him.



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PostPosted: 05/10/17 6:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Howee wrote:
Comey is a slime ball of a certain flavor.

Trump & Co. represents a whole BAG of slime, entirely too amorphous to define....it just oozes everywhere, and does not necessarily play well with other slime.

Though he said it (what now seems like...) EONS ago, the principle is as applicable as ever: "I could pull out a gun and shoot somebody on 5th Ave., and my poll numbers would go up."

He and all his cronies have no fear of The Establishment, and challenge limits and conventions with impunity. Rather than hide things, he orchestrates his Clusterfuck Dog & Pony show as a distraction, which is hugely popular with the mentally deficient Average American audience.


And we've known this for how many years now!



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PostPosted: 05/14/17 11:57 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
cthskzfn wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
I don't know who was more ridiculous tonight. Spicer and Conway trying to defend the timing of the firing for something that happened months ago that Trump at the time called "courageous", or the MSNBC crowd suddenly tripping over each other trying to turn a guy they've been crucifying for six months into some kind of great American hero.

They're both completely full of shit.

It's just politics as usual.




I didn't see that on MSNBC, but I only watched from 8-11.

Focusing on how Comey is portrayed by "the 2 sides" is just another distraction anyway.

Trump fired Comey because he lead the FBI's counter-intelligence investigation into Trump/Russia hanky panky and drew too close for Trump's comfort. That's the only story here.


I'll remind you what YOU named this thread - "Jim Comey is another lying asshole".

He's not some kind of hero or martyr. And firing him isn't going to stop the investigation.

You are absolutely right about Comey not being a martyr. The guy did deserve to be fired for how he bungled the email case. But that does not mean there shouldn't be outrage over how/when/why he was fired.

This fellow says it better than I could:

Scalzi:

"Let’s say there’s this guy who is an enormous asshole and everybody hates him and wishes that he’d get, like, hit by a bus or something. Then one day, a bus indeed comes up on the curb, smacks into him and basically turns him into paste. Does everyone then pin a medal on the bus driver? Well, no, the bus driver just killed someone.

Now we look into why the bus went up on the curb. And if in this particular case the bus driver just happened to be someone the enormous asshole was investigating for possible criminal activity (because the enormous asshole was maybe a cop or a private investigator), well. There might be cause for concern. Especially if the bus driver then says “I was driving around looking for him in order to hit him with a bus!” to Lester Holt in a televised interview."



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PostPosted: 05/14/17 11:37 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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....There might be cause for concern. Especially if the bus driver then says “I was driving around looking for him in order to hit him with a bus!” to Lester Holt in a televised interview."

Laughing Laughing

The news guys on SNL used a shorter analogy last night (and I paraphrase):
"If the drug-sniffing dog comes up to your luggage at the airport, you don't shoot it!"

I hear all the banter/debate re: special investigators. I wish they'd give that job to Hillary. I know she could do it. And it would cause a mega-explosion of Right Wing-nut heads. Possibly even The Don's. Razz



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PostPosted: 05/16/17 4:51 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation

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Mr. Comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after Mr. Flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo. The memo was part of a paper trail Mr. Comey created documenting what he perceived as the president’s improper efforts to influence a continuing investigation. An F.B.I. agent’s contemporaneous notes are widely held up in court as credible evidence of conversations.


Perhaps I should have posted this in the impeachment thread....



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justintyme wrote:
Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation

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Mr. Comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after Mr. Flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo. The memo was part of a paper trail Mr. Comey created documenting what he perceived as the president’s improper efforts to influence a continuing investigation. An F.B.I. agent’s contemporaneous notes are widely held up in court as credible evidence of conversations.


Perhaps I should have posted this in the impeachment thread....


Just came to post this. Laughing

Mixed feelings on Comey. Never had a problem with him prior to the Hillary case..but he royally fucked up the Email case, and his decision hurt this country badly. (Albiet, it wasn't completely his fault..)

That being said, of all the people in the Trump circle..he was one of the most trust worthy. Now we're down to a man nick named Mad Dog and Trump's daughter and son in law..(who aren't really trustworthy..but also aren't Steve Bannon.. although pretty credible rumor going around that Kushner is the one leaking..)

And if Comey wants to spill now..he can go right ahead. Rachel needs to get him on her show.



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As I watch the news stations go into hysterics over this Comey memo report I wonder who will make bigger fools of themselves. Republicans who try to brush off something that can't be brushed off (Darryl Issa reportedly gave the finger to a female Politico reporter and walked away when asked for his comments) or Democrats who respond with grossly over-the-top histrionics (see e.g. Nancy Pelosi's press release "If these reports are true, the President’s brazen attempt to shut down the FBI’s investigation of Michael Flynn is an assault on the rule of law that is fundamental to our democracy. At best, President Trump has committed a grave abuse of executive power. At worst, he has obstructed justice.)

Sorry Nancy but there's nothing "fundamental to our democracy" here. People would take you more seriously if you turned down your rhetoric by 50%.

And Darryl, being rude isn't going to get you off the hook.

Now some asshat Sen Risch from that enlightened state of Idaho is on actually trying to defend Trump and just said the Trump admin is improving. Say what???????? He says the problems are the people who leaked what Trump told the Russians. Say double what??????


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It's time like these that are the only times I ever turn on Fox News because it's just so jaw dropping absurd.

They have Karl Rove on blaming Comey, that he should have said "Mr President, better that you not ask me those questions." Yeah, that would solve it. Laughing Laughing Laughing

And it's all the media's fault because Trump is a businessman unfamiliar with the ways of Washington, and the media never gives Republicans a fair shake. Ok, thanks for clearing that up Karl. And Karl gave some convoluted explanation about how Obama people are responsible for the leak of the Comey memo which I can't explain because it was incoherent and beyond absurd.

Ok, that's about all the Fox my brain can handle in one sitting. Where's my remote?


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Ok, that's about all the Fox my brain can handle in one sitting. Where's my remote?

Hahahahah. I did the same thing. I wanted to see how they were going to play this.

I like to see this and then play a little game where I imagine the shit tornado that would have exploded on that network had it been a memo of Obama asking Comey to go easy on Hillary.

I made it through Sen. Risch's verbal diarrhea and that was all I could take.



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Ok, I think I'll watch WWE Smackdown in five minutes. It makes more sense than the news networks

All of them - CNN, MSNBC, FOX - all have panel after panel of "analysts" and "experts" saying some of most ridiculous bullshit imaginable. Nobody has anything of value to add, regardless of their political persuasion or perspective. It's really sad how our "news" sources have devolved to this.

You could go stick a microphone in front of random people on the street and get commentary of equal value.

Pro wrestling is more real than the White House output or the press coverage.


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All of them - CNN, MSNBC, FOX - all have panel after panel of "analysts" and "experts" saying some of most ridiculous bullshit imaginable. Nobody has anything of value to add, regardless of their political persuasion or perspective. It's really sad how our "news" sources have devolved to this.



We disagree a lot.

We agree here.

I think highly of several analysts (like..2)..but for the most part, these "news" stations have made this country dumber. Our political news has been upstaged by political satire for the past 10 years..(or more)..and that's ridiculous.



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Ok, I think I'll watch WWE Smackdown in five minutes. It makes more sense than the news networks

All of them - CNN, MSNBC, FOX - all have panel after panel of "analysts" and "experts" saying some of most ridiculous bullshit imaginable. Nobody has anything of value to add, regardless of their political persuasion or perspective. It's really sad how our "news" sources have devolved to this.

You could go stick a microphone in front of random people on the street and get commentary of equal value.

Pro wrestling is more real than the White House output or the press coverage.


This is patently absurd and smacks of the same Pelosi histrionics the writer complained of earlier.

Malcolm Nance has a bit more to add than anyone here, or off the street. Rolling Eyes

That said, the state of "the press" is demoralizing.

MSNBC might shitcan Lawrence O'Donnel despite his best-ever ratings and being 2nd only to Rachel Maddow in ratings on the network.

This continues an annoying shift to the right by the network since the election.

MSNBC announced Monday that it has hired George F. Will as a contributor, adding yet another conservative talker to its rapidly expanding roster of them. Two weeks ago, the cable news network gave former George W. Bush adviser Nicolle Wallace a 4 p.m. show. Former Fox News star Greta Van Susteren took over its 6 p.m. slot in January. And it has reportedly offered talk radio host Hugh Hewitt a show, as well.



http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/05/why_are_the_nyt_wapo_and_msnbc_on_a_conservative_hiring_spree.html



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You folks REALLY need to watch more of the PBS newshour. FAR less histrionics. Far more intellectual.

I was just thinking tonight--when I peeked in on Lester Holt--how (all!) network and cable TV news is just hyperventilating with all the High Jinx in DC, in what it does for their ratings. Comical. Razz



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You folks REALLY need to watch more of the PBS newshour. FAR


I watch a lot of BBC World News. Sad that I have to watch a British network for my US news.


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ArtBest23 wrote:
Howee wrote:
You folks REALLY need to watch more of the PBS newshour. FAR


I watch a lot of BBC World News. Sad that I have to watch a British network for my US news.


Agree. It's been this way for years.



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You could go stick a microphone in front of random people on the street and get commentary of equal value.


They'd probably be about as qualified. Any yoho can be a pundit. Rush Limbaugh and Rachel Maddow have spent their entire adult lives as disc jockeys, yet millions of people listen to them pontificate about the issues of the day.



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pilight wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
You could go stick a microphone in front of random people on the street and get commentary of equal value.


They'd probably be about as qualified. Any yoho can be a pundit. Rush Limbaugh and Rachel Maddow have spent their entire adult lives as disc jockeys, yet millions of people listen to them pontificate about the issues of the day.


They both have long repetitive tiresome setups to whatever point they are trying to make. I guess it is from a background of having to fill up so much airtime on radio.


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tfan wrote:
pilight wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
You could go stick a microphone in front of random people on the street and get commentary of equal value.


They'd probably be about as qualified. Any yoho can be a pundit. Rush Limbaugh and Rachel Maddow have spent their entire adult lives as disc jockeys, yet millions of people listen to them pontificate about the issues of the day.


They both have long repetitive tiresome setups to whatever point they are trying to make. I guess it is from a background of having to fill up so much airtime on radio.


What really bothers me about Maddow is that she has the "if I repeat this nonsense long enough, someone will eventually agree with me" down to an art form. Especially on legal issues, she'll get some very precise leading question which typically gets the issue all wrong. When her guest says "well no, that's not how it works" she will come back to it and try the same question several more times. When that doesn't produce the answer she wants, she'll try it with the next guest, and the next, until she finally finds someone who knows just as little about it as she does ( or cares just as little about accuracy as she does) and agrees with her. Then for the rest of the night she'll cite that guest as saying "so and so said earlier in the show that [fill in whatever her leading question was for which she finally got a "yes" answer]". She won't mention any of the guests who said she had it all wrong.

It's just propaganda. Last night it was all about trying to find guests willing to say Trump was guilty of obstruction of justice. Then she pronounced "if I was teaching school about obstruction of justice, this would seem to be my perfect example" and I was thinking "that's why you're not teaching law.". Her guest at the time also told her she didn't understand it.


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