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PostPosted: 04/17/17 9:18 am    ::: 2017-2018 Way Too Early Top-25 Reply Reply with quote

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19173331/connecticut-huskies-back-top-way-too-early-top-25-2017-18

A few observations. Ohio State is way too high. Mississippi State is too low, as is UCLA.


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Why do they even DO this before the new kids arrive and settle in? ~SMDH~ Rolling Eyes



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PostPosted: 04/17/17 9:57 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Why do they even DO this before the new kids arrive and settle in? ~SMDH~ Rolling Eyes


Doesn't everyone complain that WBB doesn't get enough coverage? Just enjoy it....


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PostPosted: 04/17/17 10:37 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Some of these rankings Laughing Laughing


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PostPosted: 04/17/17 10:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ucbart wrote:
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Why do they even DO this before the new kids arrive and settle in? ~SMDH~ Rolling Eyes


Doesn't everyone complain that WBB doesn't get enough coverage? Just enjoy it....


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PostPosted: 04/17/17 11:46 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Yeah, but even if we ignore that some of the rankings are just silly, you'd like to see them at least try to get basic facts complete and correct.

Is this a "well at least they're writing something about WCBB," or "another example that ESPN doesn't give a damn about WCBB"?


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PostPosted: 04/17/17 12:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Michigan at #21 feels good to me, but PG is a huge problem unless KBA finds someone this late period.


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PostPosted: 04/17/17 12:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
Yeah, but even if we ignore that some of the rankings are just silly, you'd like to see them at least try to get basic facts complete and correct.

Is this a "well at least they're writing something about WCBB," or "another example that ESPN doesn't give a damn about WCBB"?


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PostPosted: 04/17/17 1:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

mzonefan wrote:
Michigan at #21 feels good to me, but PG is a huge problem unless KBA finds someone this late period.


This article makes it seem like Kysre is coming back but isn't she transferring?


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PostPosted: 04/17/17 2:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
Yeah, but even if we ignore that some of the rankings are just silly, you'd like to see them at least try to get basic facts complete and correct.

Is this a "well at least they're writing something about WCBB," or "another example that ESPN doesn't give a damn about WCBB"?


Charlie is a journalist and clearly a WCBB expert. Maybe this is his honest opinion.


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PostPosted: 04/17/17 2:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ucbart wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
Yeah, but even if we ignore that some of the rankings are just silly, you'd like to see them at least try to get basic facts complete and correct.

Is this a "well at least they're writing something about WCBB," or "another example that ESPN doesn't give a damn about WCBB"?


Charlie is a journalist and clearly a WCBB expert. Maybe this is his honest opinion.



He's not a WCBB "expert". Never has been. That the problem. They need something for him to do when he's not crunching bracketology numbers, so he plays "expert".


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PostPosted: 04/17/17 5:46 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ucbart wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
Yeah, but even if we ignore that some of the rankings are just silly, you'd like to see them at least try to get basic facts complete and correct.

Is this a "well at least they're writing something about WCBB," or "another example that ESPN doesn't give a damn about WCBB"?


Charlie is a journalist and clearly a WCBB expert. Maybe this is his honest opinion.


He's not an expert, but he plays one on TV.



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PostPosted: 04/17/17 6:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ESPN wcbb coverage is primarily concerned with how many hits they can generate on their website. Creme is just as interested in being provocative than in making insightful predictions. So every year the LV's, based on their perennial talent are picked to go far. Why? Because even though they have become the poster child of under performance they still have a huge following nationwide. But if Tenn teaches me anything it's that predicting a team's prospects based on talent alone is foolish.


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PostPosted: 04/17/17 9:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

dinkytown wrote:
mzonefan wrote:
Michigan at #21 feels good to me, but PG is a huge problem unless KBA finds someone this late period.


This article makes it seem like Kysre is coming back but isn't she transferring?


Obviously he was just looking at stats and hadn't followed the WNIT run without her. The team was better for it.


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PostPosted: 04/18/17 2:46 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Also considered Virginia. That surprised the **** out of me.


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PostPosted: 04/18/17 11:06 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Wow, no Oregon State at all. Not even as "Also Considered". They're the #4 RPI team in the country at this moment in time (#8 in Massey, #14 in Sagarin), but they merit nary a mention for the season to come.

That strikes me as one heck of an oversight.


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PostPosted: 04/18/17 11:35 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

patsweetpat wrote:
Wow, no Oregon State at all. Not even as "Also Considered". They're the #4 RPI team in the country at this moment in time (#8 in Massey, #14 in Sagarin), but they merit nary a mention for the season to come.

That strikes me as one heck of an oversight.


Blame Sabrina and those highly talented Ducks , there most likely going to own the Pac 12 for the next few years running unless Stanford does what they normally do . ORst had there glory years they might have come to an end.



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PostPosted: 04/18/17 2:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
Yeah, but even if we ignore that some of the rankings are just silly, you'd like to see them at least try to get basic facts complete and correct.

Is this a "well at least they're writing something about WCBB," or "another example that ESPN doesn't give a damn about WCBB"?


Without looking, what "basic facts" did Creme get wrong?


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PostPosted: 04/18/17 2:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
Yeah, but even if we ignore that some of the rankings are just silly, you'd like to see them at least try to get basic facts complete and correct.

Is this a "well at least they're writing something about WCBB," or "another example that ESPN doesn't give a damn about WCBB"?


Without looking, what "basic facts" did Creme get wrong?


I'm not about to detail them team by team, but just using Notre Dame as an example, how do you contemplate their prospects for next year without mentioning Lilli Thompson's transfer from Stanford, or the arrival of two freshmen bigs (particularly in light of the departure of Boley (acknowledged) and Patberg (not mentioned) which makes the additions particularly critical). And the statement "Mychal Johnson looks like the heir apparent [to Lindsay Allen]" is unlikely at best. You can't possibly get Notre Dame to #5 without considering the new players, and frankly with the uncertainty surrounding Turner, I'm not sure you can get them to five at this stage at all.

There are similar errors and oversights elsewhere. Where you rank teams is a matter of opinion (although I think some of those opinions are pretty unrealistic), but having misstatements or glaring omissions as the basis for your opinion is just sloppy.

Just as an aside, I think his Texas write up may be the worst. Basically everything he wrote about was also true for Texas this year, and yet they weren't even close to being #4. I'm looking for the explanation of what transformation is supposed to happen to make all of their weaknesses vanish over the summer.


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PostPosted: 04/18/17 3:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

In the South Carolina section he said "Alaina Coates is also gone, which means Staley has to replace three of her top three scorers. " Huh? I'm sure he meant to say three of her top 4 (since Aja Wilson is returning) . Just poor editing , I guess .


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PostPosted: 04/18/17 3:50 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It looks like a minor editorial issue with an extraneous word. Had he said "Staley has to replace three of her top scorers." it would be fine. Somehow, an extra "three" slipped in.


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patsweetpat wrote:
Wow, no Oregon State at all. Not even as "Also Considered". They're the #4 RPI team in the country at this moment in time (#8 in Massey, #14 in Sagarin), but they merit nary a mention for the season to come.

That strikes me as one heck of an oversight.


I think they will drop a fair bit post Wiese, but not likely to be out of top 25. So I agree.


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PostPosted: 04/18/17 4:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ridor wrote:
Also considered Virginia. That surprised the **** out of me.


Does "****" stand for hearing aid?


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PostPosted: 04/18/17 10:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Ay Mate wrote:
ridor wrote:
Also considered Virginia. That surprised the **** out of me.


Does "****" stand for hearing aid?


Dude. Uncalled for. Some people don't like to swear on message boards, and that's their prerogative.



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PostPosted: 04/18/17 10:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Queenie, this is 2nd straight harassment that Ay Mate has on me.


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PostPosted: 04/19/17 1:16 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Ay Mate wrote:
ridor wrote:
Also considered Virginia. That surprised the **** out of me.


Does "****" stand for hearing aid?


Extremely inappropriate, man.



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PostPosted: 04/19/17 3:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

NoDakSt wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
ridor wrote:
Also considered Virginia. That surprised the **** out of me.


Does "****" stand for hearing aid?


Extremely inappropriate, man.


I apologize if I was out of line to other people on this board. BUT people have argued with each other here all the time. How is what I said inappropriate? He's whining to the admins like a big baby. People have said worse things to me so what's the big deal? There is none. That's where.


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PostPosted: 04/19/17 4:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Ay Mate wrote:
NoDakSt wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
ridor wrote:
Also considered Virginia. That surprised the **** out of me.


Does "****" stand for hearing aid?


Extremely inappropriate, man.


I apologize if I was out of line to other people on this board. BUT people have argued with each other here all the time. How is what I said inappropriate? He's whining to the admins like a big baby. People have said worse things to me so what's the big deal? There is none. That's where.


Seemed like you ridiculed his handicap. If you were not doing so, how did you come up with "hearing aid"?


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PostPosted: 04/19/17 4:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Fighting Artichoke wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
NoDakSt wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
ridor wrote:
Also considered Virginia. That surprised the **** out of me.


Does "****" stand for hearing aid?


Extremely inappropriate, man.


I apologize if I was out of line to other people on this board. BUT people have argued with each other here all the time. How is what I said inappropriate? He's whining to the admins like a big baby. People have said worse things to me so what's the big deal? There is none. That's where.


Seemed like you ridiculed his handicap. If you were not doing so, how did you come up with "hearing aid"?


I'm old. I wear a hearing aid. How the fuck am I supposed to know the person has a handicap nor do I care. I don't know that person and nowhere on his rebkell profile says anything about a handicap. Get the PC stick outta your asses people. 🙄 I said I apologized if I offended anyone. Get ova it.


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PostPosted: 04/19/17 6:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Ay Mate wrote:
Fighting Artichoke wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
NoDakSt wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
ridor wrote:
Also considered Virginia. That surprised the **** out of me.


Does "****" stand for hearing aid?


Extremely inappropriate, man.


I apologize if I was out of line to other people on this board. BUT people have argued with each other here all the time. How is what I said inappropriate? He's whining to the admins like a big baby. People have said worse things to me so what's the big deal? There is none. That's where.


Seemed like you ridiculed his handicap. If you were not doing so, how did you come up with "hearing aid"?


I'm old. I wear a hearing aid. How the fuck am I supposed to know the person has a handicap nor do I care. I don't know that person and nowhere on his rebkell profile says anything about a handicap. Get the PC stick outta your asses people. 🙄 I said I apologized if I offended anyone. Get ova it.


This has nothing to do with being "PC." It has everything to do with you being a flaming A-hole. And a qualified apology is not an apology. It's just being an even bigger jerk.



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PostPosted: 04/19/17 6:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Calling someone a flaming a-hole is worse than anything I said. But whatever. Like I said, I'm over it. Moving on.


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Ay Mate wrote:
Fighting Artichoke wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
NoDakSt wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
ridor wrote:
Also considered Virginia. That surprised the **** out of me.


Does "****" stand for hearing aid?


Extremely inappropriate, man.


I apologize if I was out of line to other people on this board. BUT people have argued with each other here all the time. How is what I said inappropriate? He's whining to the admins like a big baby. People have said worse things to me so what's the big deal? There is none. That's where.


Seemed like you ridiculed his handicap. If you were not doing so, how did you come up with "hearing aid"?


I'm old. I wear a hearing aid. How the fuck am I supposed to know the person has a handicap nor do I care. I don't know that person and nowhere on his rebkell profile says anything about a handicap. Get the PC stick outta your asses people. 🙄 I said I apologized if I offended anyone. Get ova it.


No, it doesn't say it on his profile. But if you click on his profile link, you will quickly learn that he is deaf. That's why people found your comment objectionable. If you cannot see why people might assume that you were ridiculing his disability, then I cannot help you. It has nothing to do with being PC.




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I don't have time for all that much investigating about some1.


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Ay Mate wrote:
I don't have time for all that much investigating about some1.


That's the point. You don't know who you're talking to. So stop with the personal insults. You BEHAVED like a flaming A-hole. Just being descriptive.

If you can't stand the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen.



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mzonefan wrote:
dinkytown wrote:
mzonefan wrote:
Michigan at #21 feels good to me, but PG is a huge problem unless KBA finds someone this late period.


This article makes it seem like Kysre is coming back but isn't she transferring?


Obviously he was just looking at stats and hadn't followed the WNIT run without her. The team was better for it.


No they weren't.


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PostPosted: 04/20/17 9:49 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

readyAIMfire53 wrote:
Ay Mate wrote:
I don't have time for all that much investigating about some1.


That's the point. You don't know who you're talking to. So stop with the personal insults. You BEHAVED like a flaming A-hole. Just being descriptive.

If you can't stand the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen.


You're all wasting your time. He made his attitude perfectly clear above:

Ay Mate wrote:
How the fuck am I supposed to know the person has a handicap nor do I care.


This is far from the first episode from him, and as long as the mods allow it, it's going to continue.

He doesn't care. I expect he enjoys the reactions he generates.


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ArtBest, please don't speak for me. I do not enjoy this charade. i wanted to focus on this discussion thread - which was what Leon Barmore said before Ay Mate derailed it by going after me personally.


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ridor wrote:
ArtBest, please don't speak for me. I do not enjoy this charade. i wanted to focus on this discussion thread - which was what Leon Barmore said before Ay Mate derailed it by going after me personally.


Huh? I didn't speak for you, nor did I say YOU enjoyed it. I have no idea what your post is about.


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Then I withdraw my comments, ArtBest. Smile


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As Okorie signed a training camp agreement with the Liberty, the biggest question in StarkVegas will be who, between redshirt sophomore Zion Campbell and sophomore Ameysha Williams, will develops enough over the summer to back up Teaira McCowan in the post.



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ArtBest23 wrote:
I'm not about to detail them team by team, but just using Notre Dame as an example, how do you contemplate their prospects for next year without mentioning Lilli Thompson's transfer from Stanford, or the arrival of two freshmen bigs (particularly in light of the departure of Boley (acknowledged) and Patberg (not mentioned) which makes the additions particularly critical). And the statement "Mychal Johnson looks like the heir apparent [to Lindsay Allen]" is unlikely at best. You can't possibly get Notre Dame to #5 without considering the new players, and frankly with the uncertainty surrounding Turner, I'm not sure you can get them to five at this stage at all.


Looks like it has been edited, because there is mention of Lilli Thompson now.

Now perhaps we can get a mention of Alexis Jennings (10 PPG and 7.1 RPG as a sophomore) for South Carolina.


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RP wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
I'm not about to detail them team by team, but just using Notre Dame as an example, how do you contemplate their prospects for next year without mentioning Lilli Thompson's transfer from Stanford, or the arrival of two freshmen bigs (particularly in light of the departure of Boley (acknowledged) and Patberg (not mentioned) which makes the additions particularly critical). And the statement "Mychal Johnson looks like the heir apparent [to Lindsay Allen]" is unlikely at best. You can't possibly get Notre Dame to #5 without considering the new players, and frankly with the uncertainty surrounding Turner, I'm not sure you can get them to five at this stage at all.


Looks like it has been edited, because there is mention of Lilli Thompson now.

Now perhaps we can get a mention of Alexis Jennings (10 PPG and 7.1 RPG as a sophomore) for South Carolina.


Yeah, it was edited. Laughing Laughing Laughing

He did have Johnson (who just had shoulder surgery) as the "heir apparent" to Lyndsay Allen. Now it says "Look for Stanford graduate transfer Lili Thompson to have an impact here, or veteran Mychal Johnson, who has played just spots to this point in her career. "

Two or three more rounds of edits and maybe he'll start to get close.


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