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PostPosted: 01/09/18 10:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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To be fair leaping ability should be in favor of Thomas . She can dunk , not sure if Gabby can or not , but at least ive seen Thomas attempt in reality .


Gabby can jump! I've definitely seen her at rim height.



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To be fair leaping ability should be in favor of Thomas . She can dunk , not sure if Gabby can or not , but at least ive seen Thomas attempt in reality .


Gabby can jump! I've definitely seen her at rim height.


Can she dunk?



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myrtle wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
To be fair leaping ability should be in favor of Thomas . She can dunk , not sure if Gabby can or not , but at least ive seen Thomas attempt in reality .


Gabby can jump! I've definitely seen her at rim height.


Can she dunk?


beats me. I haven't followed her that closely. but I wouldn't put money down against it.



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myrtle wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
myrtle wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
To be fair leaping ability should be in favor of Thomas . She can dunk , not sure if Gabby can or not , but at least ive seen Thomas attempt in reality .


Gabby can jump! I've definitely seen her at rim height.


Can she dunk?


beats me. I haven't followed her that closely. but I wouldn't put money down against it.


Yeah id say she probably could or come hella close. I think the difference is gabby uses her athletic ability in a more effective way than thomas , but both players have the same ceiling. Gabby just has a better motor.



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Dunk Shocked ain't no player that short dunking in the W. With that aside, Wiliams is a much better prospect. There was a reason Thomas was coming of the bench at Fl St, just as there was a reason she disappeared from the USA team Wink As far as athletic ability, its worthless if you don't know how to use it and are not smart enough to play the game Cool


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Well, Gabby almost made the Olympic time as a high jumper before going to UConn, so yes, I'd say she can jump.


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Dunk Shocked ain't no player that short dunking in the W. With that aside, Wiliams is a much better prospect. There was a reason Thomas was coming of the bench at Fl St, just as there was a reason she disappeared from the USA team Wink As far as athletic ability, its worthless if you don't know how to use it and are not smart enough to play the game Cool


Gabby was once a bench player also . Deanna Nolan could dunk and she shorter then both of these players. The gap is not as huge as most people here like to make it seem between Shakayla & Gabby . The only difference that matters is the university chosen . If Gabby played for FSU & Shakayla was a huskie the projections would be opposite . Would you still put Gabby in your lottery if she played 4 years at FSU ?



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Exactly the point even though you just don't like Uconn. Thomas would never be recruited by Uconn and if they had made a mistake of taking her she probably would have transferred as they wouldn't play her. Heck Stanford would never recruit a player like Thomas and I don't think Notre Dame would and a lot of other schools. Williams would never have sat the bench at Florida State due to her work ethic.


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Nixtreefan wrote:
Dunk Shocked ain't no player that short dunking in the W. With that aside, Wiliams is a much better prospect. There was a reason Thomas was coming of the bench at Fl St, just as there was a reason she disappeared from the USA team Wink As far as athletic ability, its worthless if you don't know how to use it and are not smart enough to play the game Cool


Gabby was once a bench player also . Deanna Nolan could dunk and she shorter then both of these players. The gap is not as huge as most people here like to make it seem between Shakayla & Gabby . The only difference that matters is the university chosen . If Gabby played for FSU & Shakayla was a huskie the projections would be opposite . Would you still put Gabby in your lottery if she played 4 years at FSU ?



In some ways it might have been better if Gabby went to a different school except she'd missing out on the boot camp aspect of UConn. At a different school she might have been trained at her proper position, which is guard. She was a guard in high school. So that's how Geno worked it out to get all his best players on the floor at the same... move Gabby to the post. I don't think Geno has done any favors to Gabby's pro prospects by doing this, but he wouldn't be doing her any favors having her come off the bench either.

Yeah, so maybe Gabby would be the star with huge stats at FSU. Hard to say. Why even think that way? Just look at her now and imagine what she could be.



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Exactly the point even though you just don't like Uconn. Thomas would never be recruited by Uconn and if they had made a mistake of taking her she probably would have transferred as they wouldn't play her. Heck Stanford would never recruit a player like Thomas and I don't think Notre Dame would and a lot of other schools. Williams would never have sat the bench at Florida State due to her work ethic.


A Bit off topic , question is If Shakayla were a huskie & Gabby was a Nole would you have Gabby as a lottery pick ? Yes or no , not getting into why they would not recruit her blah blah blah thats avoiding the question.



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Williams has 63 assists this season. Thomas has 9.

End of story. You can't be successful as a perimeter player in the W if you can't pass.


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Williams has 63 assists this season. Thomas has 9.

End of story. You can't be successful as a perimeter player in the W if you can't pass.


You assume she cannot pass because she does not have the weapons gabby has on her team ? So if she cannot pass , then what about if you cannot shoot ? Many players have made it in the W not knowing how to pass (See "EDD") , but not being able to shoot is a whole different ball game. Maybe if they were point guards that would matter more , but there not being drafted to pass so thats not really a good difference maker to use .



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PostPosted: 01/10/18 5:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Player A 11.1 PPG 8.3 Rebs
Player B 18.4 PPG 7.2 Rebs

The two most important stats for their future position in the WNBA. Spot a Major gap or Nah ? You decide ....You can say she average 4.5 APG , but how many people here seriously think shes going to average anywhere near that in the WNBA ? If you do then to each's own , but i will respectfully disagree.



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Exactly the point even though you just don't like Uconn. Thomas would never be recruited by Uconn and if they had made a mistake of taking her she probably would have transferred as they wouldn't play her. Heck Stanford would never recruit a player like Thomas and I don't think Notre Dame would and a lot of other schools. Williams would never have sat the bench at Florida State due to her work ethic.


I don't know about "never", but I don't recall any of those schools ever recruiting players from rural Alabama. As one might expect, she was recruited mostly by schools in the South including Baylor, Tenn, Maryland, KY, etc. I don't think there was anything about her that meant those coaches you mentioned would "never" have recruited her. I will point out that none of those three recruited Azura Stevens either. How's that fit with your broadside at Thomas? Must be something wrong with Stevens too, by your logic.

As for USA basketball, you know as well as I that politics and "play OUR way" has as much to do with it as basketball skill. But I'll point out that at the Junior National trials, Prospects Nation wrote of Thomas

"Florida State forward, Shakayla Thomas, brings an abundance of energy and athleticism to the floor when she plays. Her athletic advantages are clear on both sides of the ball as she is at her best playing in transition and attacking the rim. In a room full of high-level athletes, Thomas might be the best one in the building."


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Well, Gabby almost made the Olympic time as a high jumper before going to UConn, so yes, I'd say she can jump.


I don't think there's any question she can jump. So can Thomas. I have no idea who has the better vertical.

But in terms of the draft, jumping ability really doesn't compensate for a lack of height on the part of either one.


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Like most every player in this draft (Wilson excluded?) there are question marks.



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PostPosted: 01/10/18 6:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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In a room full of high-level athletes, Thomas might be the best one in the building."


High flying Toni Young, (record high jumper, multi sport high school star, and power dunker) was the best athlete in the 2013 draft by a wide margin...



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ArtBest23 wrote:
In a room full of high-level athletes, Thomas might be the best one in the building."


High flying Toni Young, (record high jumper, multi sport high school star, and power dunker) was the best athlete in the 2013 draft by a wide margin...


So are you suggesting she's a parallel for Williams in this draft? (Record high jumper, multi sport high school star, and power dunker. Never heard of Thomas being a high jumper. )

Young was taken 7th in the draft. Ended up playing in a total of 41 games for two teams.


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ArtBest23 wrote:
pilight wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
In a room full of high-level athletes, Thomas might be the best one in the building."


High flying Toni Young, (record high jumper, multi sport high school star, and power dunker) was the best athlete in the 2013 draft by a wide margin...


So are you suggesting she's a parallel for Williams in this draft? (Record high jumper, multi sport high school star, and power dunker. Never heard of Thomas being a high jumper. )

Young was taken 7th in the draft. Ended up playing in a total of 41 games for two teams.


I'm just saying that being the best athlete doesn't always translate into being the best basketball player, or even a WNBA caliber basketball player.



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pilight wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
pilight wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
In a room full of high-level athletes, Thomas might be the best one in the building."


High flying Toni Young, (record high jumper, multi sport high school star, and power dunker) was the best athlete in the 2013 draft by a wide margin...


So are you suggesting she's a parallel for Williams in this draft? (Record high jumper, multi sport high school star, and power dunker. Never heard of Thomas being a high jumper. )

Young was taken 7th in the draft. Ended up playing in a total of 41 games for two teams.


I'm just saying that being the best athlete doesn't always translate into being the best basketball player, or even a WNBA caliber basketball player.


But that seems to be the main claim to fame for Williams. Let's see. Short, no natural position, can't shoot. But hey, she's a remarkable athlete so she should be a top three pick.

So how does that fit with what you just wrote?


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ArtBest23 wrote:
pilight wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
pilight wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
In a room full of high-level athletes, Thomas might be the best one in the building."


High flying Toni Young, (record high jumper, multi sport high school star, and power dunker) was the best athlete in the 2013 draft by a wide margin...


So are you suggesting she's a parallel for Williams in this draft? (Record high jumper, multi sport high school star, and power dunker. Never heard of Thomas being a high jumper. )

Young was taken 7th in the draft. Ended up playing in a total of 41 games for two teams.


I'm just saying that being the best athlete doesn't always translate into being the best basketball player, or even a WNBA caliber basketball player.


But that seems to be the main claim to fame for Williams. Let's see. Short, no natural position, can't shoot. But hey, she's a remarkable athlete so she should be a top three pick.

So how does that fit with what you just wrote?


Good point Art ! It fits with what ive been trying to state these past few months Laughing . People just say Yeah she cant shoot but "shes a great athlete and she goes to UCONN" so she has to be in the lottery Shocked wtf !



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ArtBest23 wrote:
pilight wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
pilight wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
In a room full of high-level athletes, Thomas might be the best one in the building."


High flying Toni Young, (record high jumper, multi sport high school star, and power dunker) was the best athlete in the 2013 draft by a wide margin...


So are you suggesting she's a parallel for Williams in this draft? (Record high jumper, multi sport high school star, and power dunker. Never heard of Thomas being a high jumper. )

Young was taken 7th in the draft. Ended up playing in a total of 41 games for two teams.


I'm just saying that being the best athlete doesn't always translate into being the best basketball player, or even a WNBA caliber basketball player.


But that seems to be the main claim to fame for Williams. Let's see. Short, no natural position, can't shoot. But hey, she's a remarkable athlete so she should be a top three pick.

So how does that fit with what you just wrote?


I don't see Williams as a lottery pick, but WNBA GMs often overdraft UConn players so she could go there. If Williams is available when my team drafts at #16, I'd be OK with them choosing her.



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ArtBest23 wrote:
pilight wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
pilight wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
In a room full of high-level athletes, Thomas might be the best one in the building."


High flying Toni Young, (record high jumper, multi sport high school star, and power dunker) was the best athlete in the 2013 draft by a wide margin...


So are you suggesting she's a parallel for Williams in this draft? (Record high jumper, multi sport high school star, and power dunker. Never heard of Thomas being a high jumper. )

Young was taken 7th in the draft. Ended up playing in a total of 41 games for two teams.


I'm just saying that being the best athlete doesn't always translate into being the best basketball player, or even a WNBA caliber basketball player.


But that seems to be the main claim to fame for Williams. Let's see. Short, no natural position, can't shoot. But hey, she's a remarkable athlete so she should be a top three pick.

So how does that fit with what you just wrote?

Gabby is a great defender, a good passer, a good rebounder, and has a high motor and still has a lot of potential to get betterthat’s what sets her apart and has her stock so high.
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We know Williams has the length to guard positions 1-3 at the next level, and she has the speed. Also, having “weapons” to finish your passes is only half the battle. Antonelli will be quick to say in order to be a good passer, you have to know the 3 Ws. That requires vision and IQ, those things typically don’t just fade away. Gabby was a guard in high school, and has shown guard skills in college. I think her passing ability will be just fine as a pro.

In terms of her shooting, her form actually doesn’t look bad at all. It’s not like Nina Davis’ for example, so it’s not like it can’t be eventually added. Also, the whole argument that “Geno couldn’t get it from her” is also kinda silly. If she’s been used as a post her four years, why would she be doing intensive shooting drills from the perimeter during their practices? That’s simply not where Geno placed her due to the team’s needs. He saw she had the skills necessary to be a post player, and that’s where he put her.

I’m sure several teams would love a player like that on their team to develop. Vegas, Indiana, and Chicago could definetely use a player like her, especially on the defensive end.




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Williams has 63 assists this season. Thomas has 9.

End of story. You can't be successful as a perimeter player in the W if you can't pass.


Is Williams' game sort of like Alyssa Thomas's - could she be that kind of playmaking forward? Is she good at leading the break? She doesn't seem quite as big as A. Thomas - would she really be effective as an undersized 4?

I saw her play live just once and her athleticism and energy were impressive - but the star of that particular game was Katie Lou Samuelson, so Williams seemed like more of a strong role player than potential difference maker. Though role players are very much needed!


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If we assume that Stevens and McCowan do not declare early for the draft out of the current batch of seniors four have to be taken before her for Gabby to fall out of the lottery. Who are those four players?

My guess
Wilson
Deshields
Mitchell
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someone?

options for someone
Russell, L. Brown, Canada, Nurse, Nared, Vadeeva, Vivians, Billings

who should be in the lottery ahead of G. Williams? and why?

(And to be honest Deshields probably isn't on everyone's list of lottery locks and I'm sure there is a healthy percentage of posters who would take G. Williams before Deshields.)

I could see Russell as the 4th lottery pick because she is 6' 6" and is having the best season of her career. The only problem I have with that is while best available is a good way to go in the lottery if Chicago keeps 3 and 4 I'm not sure with Dolson and last year's #2 pick Coates coming in that they use a pick on a center. It is pretty much the same for Chicago with Sloot and Faulkner do they reach for a PG like Brown or Canada, (especially if Mitchell lasts until 3). I could easily see Chicago trading one of their picks, but if they keep both G. Williams seems like a pretty good fit for Chcago as one of those picks. I see Chicago picking Mitchell and Williams, now if Mitchel is gone that also adds some intrigue Chicago could take both Deshields and Williams but I'm not sure they would, maybe since you can play them at the 2 and the 3 and Deshields gives you more scoring. Deshields could take Cappie's spot and Williams could share the 3 with Copper or could experiment with Williams as an undersized 4 but I'm not sure Chicago would take both Diamond and Gabby at 3/4 which could switch things up a little. If I'm Chicago and I might reach I might consider Billings because PF seems like the spot of greatest need in Chi, but I would probably trade down to get Billings instead.

Now if Stevens or McCowan declare early I agree that Williams could be knocked out of the lottery. I actually did a mock with both declaring and I had Williams falling to #7, but until that happens or a trade is made I still see G. Williams at #4.




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#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:

Gabby is a great defender, a good passer, a good rebounder, and has a high motor . . .


. . . against college height, strength, speed players. No dispute. But she's being drafted to play against players of elite professional height, strength and speed. Whole different ball game, especially when she has to play forward because of her skill set.


#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
and still has a lot of potential to get better . . .


. . .only if you think she's (a) going to grow three inches, and (b) at this stage of her playing days, suddenly develop an outside shot. The likelihood of either of those occurring is remote. So her realistic potential to improve in the two most critical areas is limited.

Nobody's contending she's not a terrific college player, particularly in the UConn system surrounded by top ten recruits. I'm just suggesting that her limitations are significant when considering her potential at the next level.

I don't know why that comes as such a shock. It happens in every sport every year.


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I think im just going to let Art speak for me when it comes to Gabby from now on Laughing Your so spot on with your analysis. Before everyone bites my head off if Gabby is available at #6 We have no other choice than to select Gabby due to the shortage of Mobile 4's In this draft. Here in dallas she could get some mins playing back up 4 , But no to SF. So we could possibly pass. All her strengths in college ( Versatility ) would be derailed. Yes i love billings but we have to be smart. Gabby = KCK walking papers and younger replacement. Will miss her scoring though as gabby would most likely be an energy player off the bench . Once again shes a great College player , i just believe she will have the hardest translation into the W than any other rookie considered a lottery pick. As for whom could go before Gabby see below (Minus Early Declarer's)

#1 Wilson
#2 Mitchell
#3 Deshields
#4. Vadeeva
#5. Russell
#6. Williams
#7. Billings
#8. Canada
#9 Nared
#10 Scaife
#11 Lexie Brown
#12 S.Thomas



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pilight wrote:

I don't see Williams as a lottery pick, but WNBA GMs often overdraft UConn players so she could go there. If Williams is available when my team drafts at #16, I'd be OK with them choosing her.


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WNBA 09 wrote:


#1 Wilson
#2 Mitchell
#3 Deshields
#4. Vadeeva
#5. Russell
#6. Williams
#7. Billings
#8. Canada
#9 Nared
#10 Scaife
#11 Lexie Brown
#12 S.Thomas


Vadeeva is too much of a wild card at this point to put that high.
Pokey really reached when she picked Cheyenne Parker at #5. Stating she wanted size for any position, could she reach for Russell at #2? That would shock me slightly, and 9 other GM's would be doing backflips (unless SEA or DAL had their hearts set on her).

I know Brown wants to go to the Sparks, but Scaife ahead of Brown? On what planet?

I know Reeve appeared to have scouted Thomas, but I hope she noticed how short she is. No 5'11 PF for us, Reeve. That would be a rocky start to your GM-ship.

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pilight wrote:
I don't see Williams as a lottery pick, but WNBA GMs often overdraft UConn players so she could go there. If Williams is available when my team drafts at #16, I'd be OK with them choosing her.


Outside of Mosqueeda-Lewis and Faris, who was overdrafted?


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This one is just for fun and doesn't count as one of my mocks, including Stevens and McCowan

1. LV Wilson
2. Ind Stevens
3. Chi Mitchell
4. Chi McCowan (so much for my theory of not picking a Center)
5. Sea Russell
6. Dallas Deshields
7. Was G. Williams
8. PX Billings
9. Conn Nurse
10. NY Nared
11. LA Vadeeva
12. Minn L. Brown

13. LV Vivians
14. Ind Canada
15. Conn Mavunga
16. Atl Hines-Allen
17. Sea Scaife
18. Dallas S. Thomas
19. Was Greenwell
20. PX Atkins
21. Conn Jensen
22. NY Muldrow
23. LA McPhee
24. Minn Goodwin


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If a player can't shoot then she is a subpar basketball player. Now if she can shoot threes like layups then she has to be an outstanding player! The Storm used this same logic drafting one of greatest three point shooters in UCONN history. The Storm wished they had three more players like Lewis.



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PostPosted: 01/11/18 12:15 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I don't see Williams as a lottery pick, but WNBA GMs often overdraft UConn players so she could go there. If Williams is available when my team drafts at #16, I'd be OK with them choosing her.


Outside of Mosqueeda-Lewis and Faris, who was overdrafted?

hartley, swanier and montgomery.


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PostPosted: 01/11/18 1:48 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
pilight wrote:
I don't see Williams as a lottery pick, but WNBA GMs often overdraft UConn players so she could go there. If Williams is available when my team drafts at #16, I'd be OK with them choosing her.


Outside of Mosqueeda-Lewis and Faris, who was overdrafted?

hartley, swanier and montgomery.


Barbara Turner, Ashley Battle, Tamika Williams.



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PostPosted: 01/11/18 1:58 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

In hindsight, there are also UConn players that were underdrafted. Hayes and Stokes come to mind. Even Chong managed to take a roster despite many thinking she had no chance.

Faris was picked 11th I believe, only 3 players selected after her are still in the WNBA currently. I wouldn’t say she was overdrafted, especially since she lasted longer than some of the players selected before her. Hartley was 7th in her draft, and there aren’t many players selected after her that still have a job in the WNBA. In hindsight, Gray should’ve been picked before her, but at the time she was rehabbing and would be forced to sit out that season. Achonwa was going through a similar situation. It’s easy to say someone was “overdrafted”, but at the time those teams could’ve done a lot worse considering what was picked up after.


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PostPosted: 01/11/18 3:09 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It is kind of the same with Montgomery to a lesser extent,

The two best players drafted after Montgomery are Bonner and January yes they have had better careers than Montgomery but not too much better. The next tier is Zelous, Paris and Vaughn, I think Montgomery's career compares pretty favorably to theirs.


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PostPosted: 01/11/18 7:58 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
pilight wrote:
I don't see Williams as a lottery pick, but WNBA GMs often overdraft UConn players so she could go there. If Williams is available when my team drafts at #16, I'd be OK with them choosing her.


Outside of Mosqueeda-Lewis and Faris, who was overdrafted?


Certainly not Tiffany Hayes.



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PostPosted: 01/11/18 9:02 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Certainly not Tiffany Hayes.

That's the most memorable time to me that groupthink just decided a player wasn't that good. I had barely seen her play, but looked down a list of the draft prospects that year and literally asked people "why the hell isn't she higher up everyone's draft boards?" She had great numbers (like 50% from the field, 40% from three good), with significant volume, on a good team. It never made much sense to me that everyone had her so low, and that played out in the pros.

One of those rare occasions where doing no scouting whatsoever and just looking at the numbers would've helped the selection process.



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Randy wrote:
Certainly not Tiffany Hayes.

That's the most memorable time to me that groupthink just decided a player wasn't that good. I had barely seen her play, but looked down a list of the draft prospects that year and literally asked people "why the hell isn't she higher up everyone's draft boards?" She had great numbers (like 50% from the field, 40% from three good), with significant volume, on a good team. It never made much sense to me that everyone had her so low, and that played out in the pros.

One of those rare occasions where doing no scouting whatsoever and just looking at the numbers would've helped the selection process.


Agreed, I had Hayes as a top five draft pick. The fact that Kelley Cain, Natalie Novosel, LaSondra Barrett, and Farhiya Abdi were selected before was damn near asinine. Shocked



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PostPosted: 01/11/18 1:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Exactly the point even though you just don't like Uconn. Thomas would never be recruited by Uconn and if they had made a mistake of taking her she probably would have transferred as they wouldn't play her. Heck Stanford would never recruit a player like Thomas and I don't think Notre Dame would and a lot of other schools. Williams would never have sat the bench at Florida State due to her work ethic.


I don't know about "never", but I don't recall any of those schools ever recruiting players from rural Alabama. As one might expect, she was recruited mostly by schools in the South including Baylor, Tenn, Maryland, KY, etc. I don't think there was anything about her that meant those coaches you mentioned would "never" have recruited her. I will point out that none of those three recruited Azura Stevens either. How's that fit with your broadside at Thomas? Must be something wrong with Stevens too, by your logic.

As for USA basketball, you know as well as I that politics and "play OUR way" has as much to do with it as basketball skill. But I'll point out that at the Junior National trials, Prospects Nation wrote of Thomas

"Florida State forward, Shakayla Thomas, brings an abundance of energy and athleticism to the floor when she plays. Her athletic advantages are clear on both sides of the ball as she is at her best playing in transition and attacking the rim. In a room full of high-level athletes, Thomas might be the best one in the building."


Clearly you didn't get my gist but then again I thought you knew everything Laughing


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Exactly the point even though you just don't like Uconn. Thomas would never be recruited by Uconn and if they had made a mistake of taking her she probably would have transferred as they wouldn't play her. Heck Stanford would never recruit a player like Thomas and I don't think Notre Dame would and a lot of other schools. Williams would never have sat the bench at Florida State due to her work ethic.


A Bit off topic , question is If Shakayla were a huskie & Gabby was a Nole would you have Gabby as a lottery pick ? Yes or no , not getting into why they would not recruit her blah blah blah thats avoiding the question.


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Williams has 63 assists this season. Thomas has 9.

End of story. You can't be successful as a perimeter player in the W if you can't pass.


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PostPosted: 01/11/18 3:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Nixtreefan wrote:
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Williams has 63 assists this season. Thomas has 9.

End of story. You can't be successful as a perimeter player in the W if you can't pass.


Can I hear an Amen Laughing


Yeah, I thought the mindless total assists=relative passing ability without any consideration of one player being the first scoring option and the other the fourth or fifth, or of the relative team style of play, was pretty laughable too. Glad you understood that and included that Laughing


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PostPosted: 01/11/18 7:56 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ZZZZZZZZZZZ err what was that, I need an empty gazed emoji.


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Gabby Williams = Armintie Price in the W


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Gabby Williams = Armintie Price in the W


So you're predicting Rookie of the Year for her?


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ArtBest23 wrote:
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Gabby Williams = Armintie Price in the W


So you're predicting Rookie of the Year for her?

We get it AB23 you don’t like Gabby, just like you said she is a good college defender, yet she shut down the only 2 players on ND roster with pro potential, so when she has to guard those 2 players at the next level, atlest she will look like a great defender.
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Gabby Williams = Armintie Price in the W

So you think more a SG/SF than the SF/PF of an Alyssa Thomas? Because the more perimeter-focussed she is the more the lack of range becomes an issue. Much as I loved Price/Herrington and the positive elements of her game, her complete inability to hit a shot from beyond three inches was a significant problem for many teams she was on.



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PostPosted: 01/12/18 11:23 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
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Gabby Williams = Armintie Price in the W


So you're predicting Rookie of the Year for her?



You know how I meant it Art. That was a lean year Armintie won ROY


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