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PostPosted: 12/27/17 12:37 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Wilson is more skilled than McCowan, period. Wilson would still be taken first before her even if she declares. Wilson can score, and is more versatile on both sides of the floor.


Don't need inside information to figure that out. Wilson is #1 under all conceivable scenarios.


Even if Stevens declares?


Stevens declaring is conceivable, so yes.



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If McCowan enters the draft there's a strong possiblity she goes #1 . Then Do you draft mitchell over Wilson if your Indiana ? Question Idea


There is ZERO chance she goes number one.


According to Whoooooooooom ? Cool Cool


Any person who is skilled at player evaluations.

Any person who watched their head-to-head matchups.


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Shades wrote:
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Wilson is more skilled than McCowan, period. Wilson would still be taken first before her even if she declares. Wilson can score, and is more versatile on both sides of the floor.


Don't need inside information to figure that out. Wilson is #1 under all conceivable scenarios.


Even if Stevens declares?


Stevens declaring is conceivable, so yes.


would be like Oden vs Durant, I still think you take Wilson, but Z will be the more versatile player down the line, I think she's a 6'6 Small forward at best and a combo forward at worst.
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So who's more likely to declare early, Stevens or McCowan?



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So who's more likely to declare early, Stevens or McCowan?


Stevens is NOT going to declare. She's not ready for one and two, she committed to UConn to learn and play with their players. 0% chance unless some major dispute/fight takes place which is very unlikely. The UConn players love her and she them.


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So who's more likely to declare early, Stevens or McCowan?


Stevens is NOT going to declare. She's not ready for one and two, she committed to UConn to learn and play with their players. 0% chance unless some major dispute/fight takes place which is very unlikely. The UConn players love her and she them.


Part of the reason anyone goes to UConn is the opportunity to get coached and improved. Stevens is getting playing time and experience. I can't see her declaring.

ETA: I wouldn't expect McCowan to declare either. I just think it would be more likely that she would over Stevens.


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Tyra Buss cementing legacy in Indiana University women's basketball program

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After this season, Tyra hopes to play professionally, if not in the WNBA, then perhaps overseas.

“I want to continue playing as long as I can,” Buss said.

Her father admitted he might feel lost if he no longer has the opportunity to see Tyra play in the future - playing with the grandkids isn't enough. He has watched her play every game this season. Her mom, Kelly, her high school track coach, has only missed one game.



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So who's more likely to declare early, Stevens or McCowan?


Stevens is NOT going to declare. She's not ready for one


Are you saying she's not good enough?

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and two, she committed to UConn to learn and play with their players.


Does that mean Allisha Gray and Kaela Davis didn't learn enough with their one year at SC? Allisha Gray learned enough to earn ROY with a suspect coach but tons of opportunity to succeed.

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0% chance unless some major dispute/fight takes place which is very unlikely. The UConn players love her and she them.


0% chance is way too low, but I wouldn't bet money on her declaring early either. It's hard to say what she'll want or who will be in her ear at the end of the year. I don't think she went from Duke to UConn for the quality of the degree or go for a non-Duke masters. She went to improve her stock for a basketball career, but will she really need two years at UConn to help her springboard into the WNBA career? Gray & Davis didn't need two years at SC.
But I think Geno is being an evil genius by having Stevens off the bench, which may temper her draft value depending on what happens the rest of the year, and she'd become a solid starter next year. I dunno.... if she wins a championship this year and if she's being told she'd be a guaranteed lottery pick if she declares early, what would be the point of staying another year? Is another college championship more important than getting a start on your inevitable career? Had she not transferred she'd be starting her career in 2018. I'm always in favor of a prominent player declaring early.



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Watching her again today, I continue to believe that Russell should be one of the top 3 picks.

She is by far the best center available, is a defensive presence, and you can't teach height.

I think her college production has been limited because (1) she's frequently out of position at both ends of the court, and (2) she has played with teammates who simply don't frequently enough get her the ball at the right time in the right location (partly that's due to #1, and partly that's due to never playing with a quality PG). Both of these issues are coaching issues, not inherent issues with her. She's strong enough to hold up to WNBA post play yet can also move.

It's a lot easier to find 5'6" guards than decent 6'6" centers.


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Watching her again today, I continue to believe that Russell should be one of the top 3 picks.

She is by far the best center available, is a defensive presence, and you can't teach height.

I think her college production has been limited because (1) she's frequently out of position at both ends of the court, and (2) she has played with teammates who simply don't frequently enough get her the ball at the right time in the right location (partly that's due to #1, and partly that's due to never playing with a quality PG). Both of these issues are coaching issues, not inherent issues with her. She's strong enough to hold up to WNBA post play yet can also move.

It's a lot easier to find 5'6" guards than decent 6'6" centers.


Art you have a strong point here , ive been thinking this for a long time but her aggressiveness on defense worries me.



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Russell has looked a lot better this year than in 2017. Had Russell entered in 2017, she would have been a late first round pick. And that would have only been because it's was a weak draft. I don't see her as a lottery pick. There's still Wilson, Mitchell, Williams, DeShields, possibly McCowan, Vadeeva all ahead of her. But I can see her going #7 or #8 to Washington or Phoenix.



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Tough and intimidating. THIS is guaranteed WNBA player, and she's eligible for early declaration.



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Tough and intimidating. THIS is guaranteed WNBA player, and she's eligible for early declaration.


whom??



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Sophie Cunningham U of Missouri.


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Sophie Cunningham U of Missouri.


Thanks i could not see the picture for some reason at first. Oh yeah sophie has the fire. I think she can help a team like indy in the 2nd round maybe.



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curious to know who you guys think have upped there draft stock so far this season. The two that come to mind are Russell & T. Scaife
I would not be surprised to see those two get drafted higher than projected.



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PostPosted: 01/07/18 8:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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curious to know who you guys think have upped there draft stock so far this season. The two that come to mind are Russell & T. Scaife
I would not be surprised to see those two get drafted higher than projected.


I'll go with Nared, Vivians, Mavunga & Gulich.



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I haven't had much motivation to follow the draft prospects this year since my team's first pick is 16 I think. So it looks like its bottom fishing for me. Any prospects that might be around at 16? I was thinking Thomas from FSU, but 3 is about the last position we need to fill. Ideas?


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Russell has looked a lot better this year than in 2017. Had Russell entered in 2017, she would have been a late first round pick. And that would have only been because it's was a weak draft. I don't see her as a lottery pick. There's still Wilson, Mitchell, Williams, DeShields, possibly McCowan, Vadeeva all ahead of her. But I can see her going #7 or #8 to Washington or Phoenix.


Except I don't believe half at least of those people should be in front of her.

The only certain one is Wilson.


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I haven't had much motivation to follow the draft prospects this year since my team's first pick is 16 I think. So it looks like its bottom fishing for me. Any prospects that might be around at 16? I was thinking Thomas from FSU, but 3 is about the last position we need to fill. Ideas?


Teana Muldrow (WVU)
Ariel Atkins (Texas)
Imani Wright (Florida State)
Myesha Hines-Allen (Louisville)
Tyra Buss (Indiana)
Katelynn Flaherty (Michigan)
Brooke McCarty (Texas)
Brittney McPhee (Stanford)
Lauryn Goodwin (OK State)
Carlie Wagner (Minnesota)
Linnae Harper (Ohio State)
Stephanie Mavunga (Ohio State)
Rebecca Greenwell (Duke)


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curious to know who you guys think have upped there draft stock so far this season. The two that come to mind are Russell & T. Scaife
I would not be surprised to see those two get drafted higher than projected.


I've got Vivians going from 2nd round to first.

I've always had Russell going to Dallas. You guys flip flip flip from game to game. I bet you're no longer down on Gabby.



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sigur3 wrote:
Randy wrote:
I haven't had much motivation to follow the draft prospects this year since my team's first pick is 16 I think. So it looks like its bottom fishing for me. Any prospects that might be around at 16? I was thinking Thomas from FSU, but 3 is about the last position we need to fill. Ideas?


Teana Muldrow (WVU)
Ariel Atkins (Texas)
Imani Wright (Florida State)
Myesha Hines-Allen (Louisville)
Tyra Buss (Indiana)
Katelynn Flaherty (Michigan)
Brooke McCarty (Texas)
Brittney McPhee (Stanford)
Lauryn Goodwin (OK State)
Carlie Wagner (Minnesota)
Linnae Harper (Ohio State)
Stephanie Mavunga (Ohio State)
Rebecca Greenwell (Duke)


Thanks. I think I've seen some of them but was probably watching other players at the time.


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Who is the best of the three prospects on FSU, Thomas, Wright or Alix?

http://cs.seminoles.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/FSU-Stats-1718-1.pdf?_ga=2.232993754.59518326.1515084618-151366500.1492611972



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Who is the best of the three prospects on FSU, Thomas, Wright or Alix?


Unquestionably Thomas. Not because she's great, but because I don't see the other two as being WNBA prospects.

Thomas has some potential and has the strength and athleticism. Is she willing to learn to play proper basketball and to really work on her shooting?


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Right now, excluding McCowan, the potential 1st rounders are(*locks):

Wilson*(South Carolina)
K. Mitchell*(Ohio St.)
DeShields*(Tennessee)
G. Williams*(UCONN)
Vadeeva*(Russia)
Canada(UCLA)
Russell(Tennessee)
Scaife(Rutgers)
L. Brown(Duke)
Billings(UCLA)
S. Thomas(FSU)
Nared(Tennessee)
Nurse(UCONN)
Mavunga(Ohio St.)
K. Jensen(Oklahoma St.)
K. James(Murray St.)



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stever wrote:
Who is the best of the three prospects on FSU, Thomas, Wright or Alix?

http://cs.seminoles.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/FSU-Stats-1718-1.pdf?_ga=2.232993754.59518326.1515084618-151366500.1492611972

Wilkinson Very Happy.

I may be a tiny bit biased.



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toad455 wrote:
Right now, excluding McCowan, the potential 1st rounders are(*locks):

Wilson*(South Carolina)
K. Mitchell*(Ohio St.)
DeShields*(Tennessee)
G. Williams*(UCONN)
Vadeeva*(Russia)
Canada(UCLA)
Russell(Tennessee)
Scaife(Rutgers)
L. Brown(Duke)
Billings(UCLA)
S. Thomas(FSU)
Nared(Tennessee)
Nurse(UCONN)
Mavunga(Ohio St.)
K. Jensen(Oklahoma St.)
K. James(Murray St.)


Vivians(Miss.St.)


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Vivians(Miss.St.)

Yeah, that's the main name I was gonna add as well. You also have the potential early-entries like Stevens and Collier, and maybe even Ji Su Park if someone was feeling brave.

Do we know what's happening with Brianna Turner? She'd have probably been a first round pick before the ACL injury. Has she said she's staying at Notre Dame for an extra year?



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WNBA 09 wrote:
curious to know who you guys think have upped there draft stock so far this season. The two that come to mind are Russell & T. Scaife
I would not be surprised to see those two get drafted higher than projected.


I've got Vivians going from 2nd round to first.

I've always had Russell going to Dallas. You guys flip flip flip from game to game. I bet you're no longer down on Gabby.


No i am down on gabby lol , that has not changed. I do not want her on my team , id rather have Russell. Although im still not 100% sold on her neither. When its our time to pick we have to choose the best available . If i had my choice you know my option starts with a P and ends with a P .



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She'd have probably been a first round pick before the ACL injury. Has she said she's staying at Notre Dame for an extra year?


Have you ever heard of a player red-shirting only to not return next year?
What would be the point of red-shirting? I'm sure she's well enough to play at some level this year, but McGraw wanted her for a full year at presumably 100% next year.



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Well I hope your team is shortening the court to half its size then you should be in good shape Laughing


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toad455 wrote:
Right now, excluding McCowan, the potential 1st rounders are(*locks):

Wilson*(South Carolina)
K. Mitchell*(Ohio St.)
DeShields*(Tennessee)
G. Williams*(UCONN)
Vadeeva*(Russia)
Canada(UCLA)
Russell(Tennessee)
Scaife(Rutgers)
L. Brown(Duke)
Billings(UCLA)
S. Thomas(FSU)
Nared(Tennessee)
Nurse(UCONN)
Mavunga(Ohio St.)
K. Jensen(Oklahoma St.)
K. James(Murray St.)


You forgot to also exclude Stevens (who everybody talks about), Collier (who nobody talks about), and Cunningham (who I just talked about).

I'd put Lexie Brown and Kia Nurse as first round locks ahead of Vadeeva. Too many questions surrounding Vadeeva to consider her an absolute lock, although I doubt I'd be complaining if the Lynx picked her up in the first.

It's hard to imagine Russell falling out of the first.... maybe if her game falls off a cliff.

I don't see enough of Billings and Canada to really have an opinion, so I somewhat defer to whatever hype they have produced.



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If she's trying to get Missouri to "the elite of the elite", I don't suppose she'll be declaring early.



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What about UNC guard Paris Kea? She's draft eligible and she's playing on a bad UNC team. If she's tired of losing and decided to come out, would she get drafted?



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What about UNC guard Paris Kea? She's draft eligible and she's playing on a bad UNC team. If she's tired of losing and decided to come out, would she get drafted?



I like Paris Kea , and your correct i dont think she needs to be on that UNC team . If she can develope a more consistent 3pt shot she could be very very dangerous. I think someone needs to give this gal a look , her mid range is unconscious.



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What about UNC guard Paris Kea? She's draft eligible and she's playing on a bad UNC team. If she's tired of losing and decided to come out, would she get drafted?


She could be a hidden gem type. But you don't generally leave college early unless you're a first round prospect.



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WNBA 09 wrote:
Shades wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
curious to know who you guys think have upped there draft stock so far this season. The two that come to mind are Russell & T. Scaife
I would not be surprised to see those two get drafted higher than projected.


I've got Vivians going from 2nd round to first.

I've always had Russell going to Dallas. You guys flip flip flip from game to game. I bet you're no longer down on Gabby.


No i am down on gabby lol , that has not changed. I do not want her on my team , id rather have Russell. Although im still not 100% sold on her neither. When its our time to pick we have to choose the best available . If i had my choice you know my option starts with a P and ends with a P .


Pdiamond DeShieldsp?


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Shades wrote:
Davis4632 wrote:
What about UNC guard Paris Kea? She's draft eligible and she's playing on a bad UNC team. If she's tired of losing and decided to come out, would she get drafted?


She could good be a hidden gem type. But you don't generally leave college early unless you're a first round prospect.


For Kea to make the WNBA, she'd better hope they expand to 18 teams next year.


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sigur3 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Shades wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
curious to know who you guys think have upped there draft stock so far this season. The two that come to mind are Russell & T. Scaife
I would not be surprised to see those two get drafted higher than projected.


I've got Vivians going from 2nd round to first.

I've always had Russell going to Dallas. You guys flip flip flip from game to game. I bet you're no longer down on Gabby.


No i am down on gabby lol , that has not changed. I do not want her on my team , id rather have Russell. Although im still not 100% sold on her neither. When its our time to pick we have to choose the best available . If i had my choice you know my option starts with a P and ends with a P .


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Do we know what's happening with Brianna Turner? She'd have probably been a first round pick before the ACL injury. Has she said she's staying at Notre Dame for an extra year?


Notre Dame center Brianna Turner to miss upcoming season, return in 2018-19
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Thomas has some potential and has the strength and athleticism. Is she willing to learn to play proper basketball and to really work on her shooting?


Going into this year, Thomas had never made a three-point basket and was a career 65.0 percent shooter from the foul line. She is 0-2 from three in 2017-18 and is shooting 65.3 percent from the charity strip.

She is a very good collegiate scorer and is a force in the paint, at 5-11. But the list of 5-11 post players who have dominated in college but have not been able to make the transition to the wing in the W or be successful as an undersized four is extremely long.

To me, she is not a first round pick, but someone I would look at in the second round.


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PostPosted: 01/09/18 12:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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ArtBest23 wrote:
Thomas has some potential and has the strength and athleticism. Is she willing to learn to play proper basketball and to really work on her shooting?


Going into this year, Thomas had never made a three-point basket and was a career 65.0 percent shooter from the foul line. She is 0-2 from three in 2017-18 and is shooting 65.3 percent from the charity strip.

She is a very good collegiate scorer and is a force in the paint, at 5-11. But the list of 5-11 post players who have dominated in college but have not been able to make the transition to the wing in the W or be successful as an undersized four is extremely long.

To me, she is not a first round pick, but someone I would look at in the second round.


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CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
Thomas has some potential and has the strength and athleticism. Is she willing to learn to play proper basketball and to really work on her shooting?


Going into this year, Thomas had never made a three-point basket and was a career 65.0 percent shooter from the foul line. She is 0-2 from three in 2017-18 and is shooting 65.3 percent from the charity strip.

She is a very good collegiate scorer and is a force in the paint, at 5-11. But the list of 5-11 post players who have dominated in college but have not been able to make the transition to the wing in the W or be successful as an undersized four is extremely long.

To me, she is not a first round pick, but someone I would look at in the second round.


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Fair point, but....

Gabby is a much, much better passer and facilitator, with a better handle than Thomas. Williams is also the better rebounder and has better athleticism (though Thomas is no slough in that department). Gabby is also the more versatile defender, being able to stop perimeter players and forwards in the post.

That being said, shooting remains an issue. Her overall shooting percentage this year is ridiculous (over 60 percent) and she is up to 69 percent from the line (but on less than two attempts per game), but she is still 0-4 from distance and not a threat from three.

The other concern...if someone with all of Gabby Williams' gifts and skills working under the tutelage of Geno Auriemma, the best coach in the game right now, cannot improve her range on her shooting, what is the likelihood that she develops such range on her shot in the pros?

Still, Williams checks more boxes than Thomas, in my book, and is worth the first round pick, especially for a team like Chicago, which can use an uber athlete defender, rebounder, and secondary playmaker at the three and has the versatility in its post players (e.g., Dolson) to allow them to step out to open up lanes for driving.


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PostPosted: 01/09/18 2:37 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Plus Gabby plays team basketball and a role the team needs and not just for herself, does Thomas actually play defense or just look for anything to get her own?


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CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
Thomas has some potential and has the strength and athleticism. Is she willing to learn to play proper basketball and to really work on her shooting?


Going into this year, Thomas had never made a three-point basket and was a career 65.0 percent shooter from the foul line. She is 0-2 from three in 2017-18 and is shooting 65.3 percent from the charity strip.

She is a very good collegiate scorer and is a force in the paint, at 5-11. But the list of 5-11 post players who have dominated in college but have not been able to make the transition to the wing in the W or be successful as an undersized four is extremely long.

To me, she is not a first round pick, but someone I would look at in the second round.


Wait Shakayla Or Gabby Williams Cool Cool


Fair point, but....

Gabby is a much, much better passer and facilitator, with a better handle than Thomas. Williams is also the better rebounder and has better athleticism (though Thomas is no slough in that department). Gabby is also the more versatile defender, being able to stop perimeter players and forwards in the post.

That being said, shooting remains an issue. Her overall shooting percentage this year is ridiculous (over 60 percent) and she is up to 69 percent from the line (but on less than two attempts per game), but she is still 0-4 from distance and not a threat from three.

The other concern...if someone with all of Gabby Williams' gifts and skills working under the tutelage of Geno Auriemma, the best coach in the game right now, cannot improve her range on her shooting, what is the likelihood that she develops such range on her shot in the pros?

Still, Williams checks more boxes than Thomas, in my book, and is worth the first round pick, especially for a team like Chicago, which can use an uber athlete defender, rebounder, and secondary playmaker at the three and has the versatility in its post players (e.g., Dolson) to allow them to step out to open up lanes for driving.


I'm not sure they're as different as you make it sound (or enough different to justify the difference in draft rank commonly assumed). Williams certainly dribbles and passes better, but still not well enough to play guard, so she remains an undersized 3 with no outside shot. Both are very athletic but I think Thomas is stronger and more physical which may actually be a bigger virtue for a WNBA forward than Williams' superior quickness. Williams is smarter and the better overall player and deserves a higher draft spot, but both are flawed and I'm not sure they're all that far apart at the next level. Both are risks with limitations.

BTW, I don't disagree with your 2nd round assessment for Thomas.


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ArtBest23 wrote:
stever wrote:
Who is the best of the three prospects on FSU, Thomas, Wright or Alix?


Unquestionably Thomas. Not because she's great, but because I don't see the other two as being WNBA prospects.

Thomas has some potential and has the strength and athleticism. Is she willing to learn to play proper basketball and to really work on her shooting?


Agree 100% with your Thomas assessment. I'd add conditioning to your list also. She's a puzzle...


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CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
Gabby is a much, much better passer and facilitator, with a better handle than Thomas. Williams is also the better rebounder and has better athleticism (though Thomas is no slough in that department). Gabby is also the more versatile defender, being able to stop perimeter players and forwards in the post.

That being said, shooting remains an issue. Her overall shooting percentage this year is ridiculous (over 60 percent) and she is up to 69 percent from the line (but on less than two attempts per game), but she is still 0-4 from distance and not a threat from three.

The other concern...if someone with all of Gabby Williams' gifts and skills working under the tutelage of Geno Auriemma, the best coach in the game right now, cannot improve her range on her shooting, what is the likelihood that she develops such range on her shot in the pros?

Still, Williams checks more boxes than Thomas, in my book, and is worth the first round pick, especially for a team like Chicago, which can use an uber athlete defender, rebounder, and secondary playmaker at the three and has the versatility in its post players (e.g., Dolson) to allow them to step out to open up lanes for driving.


I'm not sure they're as different as you make it sound (or enough different to justify the difference in draft rank commonly assumed). Williams certainly dribbles and passes better, but still not well enough to play guard, so she remains an undersized 3 with no outside shot. Both are very athletic but I think Thomas is stronger and more physical which may actually be a bigger virtue for a WNBA forward than Williams' superior quickness. Williams is smarter and the better overall player and deserves a higher draft spot, but both are flawed and I'm not sure they're all that far apart at the next level. Both are risks with limitations.

BTW, I don't disagree with your 2nd round assessment for Thomas.


Not sure anyone was projecting Williams as a WNBA guard. I see her as a SF in the pros - and, as we both noted, an undersized three with no outside shot.

Both Thomas and Williams are very athletic. Williams' leaping ability, however, is otherwordly and is a measurement that scouts (well, NBA scouts) would drool over. But I agree with you that Thomas is stronger.

Williams is the more versatile defender. And her passing and overall court vision are much better than Thomas.

But I agree with you that both are flawed, which is why I brought up a team like Chicago for Williams. I think they are players whose success depends on the teams that take them (and the personnel on those teams), as they are not players that you could just put on any team and have them be successful.


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PostPosted: 01/09/18 6:46 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

To be fair leaping ability should be in favor of Thomas . She can dunk , not sure if Gabby can or not , but at least ive seen Thomas attempt in reality .



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