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PostPosted: 11/24/17 10:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Mitchell seems to like to play at Mandalay Bay (hint, hint, to Laimbeer) Surprised


Mitchell 34 pts (11-15, 7-11 3P, 5-7 FT), 6 reb, 3 ast, 1 TO, 1 stl against FGCU



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She might not make it look easy, but UConn’s Gabby Williams gets it there (video at link)

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Gabby Williams is well on her way to a WNBA career after she leaves UConn. The senior forward can do it all–lead the break, score in traffic, and pass. Williams is fearless with the ball. Her favorite target with the bounce pass is Kia Nurse.



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That's what I have been talking about, how many players are willing and able to make those passes. Last year she was by far the best of this group of draftees. This year I think without KLS it has become more difficult as they both click and know the game but once she is back the turnovers will go down.


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If only she could score & had Candace Parkers height she could be something special in this league. Too many question marks in her game though .



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"She can do it all - [lists a whole bunch of things that don't include 'shoot']!"



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Richyyy wrote:
"She can do it all - [lists a whole bunch of things that don't include 'shoot']!"



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Any chance a team like PHX might be interested in her?
All Ivy League first team and she's from Tempe, AZ



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Any chance a team like PHX might be interested in her?
All Ivy League first team and she's from Tempe, AZ


To repeat myself, the hometown connection means almost nothing, especially from such a small school that lost 13 games when she was a senior.

She'd definitely be worth an invite to camp, though, and hopefully generate a couple local media stories.



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Got a courtside look at Tyra Buss vs. St. Mary's College yesterday ...

Buss is a very good college player, maybe 5-6 and slender. Oddly, she doesn't shoot threes well at all and is an average free-throw shooter. She gets almost all her points in the lane, with great body control, the ability to finish with either hand and a variety of floaters.

That said, she has almost no chance to succeed in the WNBA, because instead of going against 6-2 kids who can't jump to score inside, the posts will be 6-4 or taller. And she had at least three shots blocked against a St. Mary's team that no one would accuse of being exceptionally athletic.

A camp invite for the Fever, pretty blonde gets a couple TV segments, but despite her collegiate and high school scoring, it's hard to see her finding a home in the WNBA.



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PostPosted: 11/26/17 4:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
Got a courtside look at Tyra Buss vs. St. Mary's College yesterday ...

Buss is a very good college player, maybe 5-6 and slender. Oddly, she doesn't shoot threes well at all and is an average free-throw shooter. She gets almost all her points in the lane, with great body control, the ability to finish with either hand and a variety of floaters.

That said, she has almost no chance to succeed in the WNBA, because instead of going against 6-2 kids who can't jump to score inside, the posts will be 6-4 or taller. And she had at least three shots blocked against a St. Mary's team that no one would accuse of being exceptionally athletic.

A camp invite for the Fever, pretty blonde gets a couple TV segments, but despite her collegiate and high school scoring, it's hard to see her finding a home in the WNBA.

ClayK, you have been making the same statement for years now. Size and athleticism is what separates college girls from WNBA women. Wink



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Dennis Rodman could not shoot the ball at all but he was one of the best defensive players to ever play in the NBA. He helped two teams win several NBA championships. There is a certain WNBA team that I know that can use a relentless and tenacious defender.



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Dennis Rodman could not shoot the ball at all but he was one of the best defensive players to ever play in the NBA. He helped two teams win several NBA championships. There is a certain WNBA team that I know that can use a relentless and tenacious defender.

Hey, I expect Gabby Williams to be a good - possibly very good - WNBA player. It just seemed a little comical to say she 'can do it all' when there's one particular glaring weakness in her game.



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Dennis Rodman could not shoot the ball at all but he was one of the best defensive players to ever play in the NBA. He helped two teams win several NBA championships. There is a certain WNBA team that I know that can use a relentless and tenacious defender.


Rodman was picked in the second round, #27.

Some people ultimately find a niche and succeed. Doesn't mean they should be a lottery pick.


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PostPosted: 11/27/17 10:55 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
Got a courtside look at Tyra Buss vs. St. Mary's College yesterday ...

Buss is a very good college player, maybe 5-6 and slender. Oddly, she doesn't shoot threes well at all and is an average free-throw shooter. She gets almost all her points in the lane, with great body control, the ability to finish with either hand and a variety of floaters.

That said, she has almost no chance to succeed in the WNBA, because instead of going against 6-2 kids who can't jump to score inside, the posts will be 6-4 or taller. And she had at least three shots blocked against a St. Mary's team that no one would accuse of being exceptionally athletic.

A camp invite for the Fever, pretty blonde gets a couple TV segments, but despite her collegiate and high school scoring, it's hard to see her finding a home in the WNBA.


I thought the same thing when I saw her play last year on TV a few times. Nice college player - could see her playing overseas in Ireland or lower level Euro leagues for a few years at most.


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PostPosted: 11/27/17 10:57 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
Got a courtside look at Tyra Buss vs. St. Mary's College yesterday ...

Buss is a very good college player, maybe 5-6 and slender. Oddly, she doesn't shoot threes well at all and is an average free-throw shooter. She gets almost all her points in the lane, with great body control, the ability to finish with either hand and a variety of floaters.

That said, she has almost no chance to succeed in the WNBA, because instead of going against 6-2 kids who can't jump to score inside, the posts will be 6-4 or taller. And she had at least three shots blocked against a St. Mary's team that no one would accuse of being exceptionally athletic.

A camp invite for the Fever, pretty blonde gets a couple TV segments, but despite her collegiate and high school scoring, it's hard to see her finding a home in the WNBA.


I thought the same thing when I saw her play last year on TV a few times. Nice college player - could see her playing overseas in Ireland or lower level Euro leagues for a few years at most.


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If there is a specific player in any draft that a team really want they should not wait to get that player late in the draft but draft that player as early as possible.



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Kelsey Mitchell

A great college scorer and elite college athlete. She's a poor defender and challenged somewhat in height but is fast and illusive. Is she the player most needed by the Indiana Fever now? She'll be hard to pass up.

*She's a 2 guard who can play the 1, but basically, she's a 2.

*The 2 guard position is the least important of the 5 positions on a pro team, unless the pro team has a full complement of very good to great players at the 5, 4, 3 and 1 positions.

A 2 guard is unlikely to be the main leader and player on a poor/mediocre team in desperate need of talent. In general, a 2 cannot carry a team with few exceptions, i.e., Diggins. But Diggins is a PG and a truly proven leader who can play both offensively, defensively and lead. Diggins has good talent around her.

To play Mitchell at the 1, reduces her offensive output. She can play the point but she's really not a point and would need more training, i.e., Lady Plum. Best PG in the Draft is Canada.

I'm not stating that Indy shouldn't draft Mitchell @ two, but their needs are much greater in the more key positions like the 3, 4 and 5.

Mitchell would work better on a solid team with key player talent, i.e.. Phoenix, Chicago, Minnesota etc. Basically, Mitchell is a rich-mans Epiphany Prince. But Indy needs to start somewhere and Mitchell might be that player.

Who other than Mitchell?

*Russell is a slothful stiff that shoots free throws like Shaq. Definitely no.
*Gabby is a greatly talented athlete, inspirational and can defend well. Is she the best pro prospect? Might be but there are some questions.
*Billings will be a good big/rebounder and defender but currently has a poor offensive mid-range game and no long game. She hustles and is listed as 6'4". Might be able to trade down for her.
*Canada is a talented inspirational PG, a leader, go-getter and plays defense. The best PG in the Draft and maybe the country (college) currently. Don't think she's the most needed player for Indy with January onboard?
*DeShields has not shown leadership, ability to get along with coaches/players and seems contrary and unhappy wherever she plays. Can she change? Could Pokey control her? No coach yet has.
*Nurse is an all-around 6' solid player offensively, defensively, leadership, pro-ready body, trained ready to go. A proven winner world-wide.

Trade possibilities?

Indy has a tough choice. Could depend on any free agent acquisitions.

Mitchell, Gabby, Nurse, DeShields, Billings or trade down/across.

The choice may become clearer in April 2018.














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Good analysis ...

I think the second half of the question is whether any other player brings more value than Mitchell? In other words, yes, she plays the wrong position, but would you rather have a player who is potentially above average or better at the two, or a player who is potentially average or above average at a more important position?



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Kelsey Mitchell

A great college scorer and elite college athlete. She's a poor defender and challenged somewhat in height but is fast and illusive. Is she the player most needed by the Indiana Fever now? She'll be hard to pass up.

*She's a 2 guard who can play the 1, but basically, she's a 2.

*The 2 guard position is the least important of the 5 positions on a pro team, unless the pro team has a full complement of very good to great players at the 5, 4, 3 and 1 positions.

A 2 guard is unlikely to be the main leader and player on a poor/mediocre team in desperate need of talent. In general, a 2 cannot carry a team with few exceptions, i.e., Diggins. But Diggins is a PG and a truly proven leader who can play both offensively, defensively and lead. Diggins has good talent around her.

To play Mitchell at the 1, reduces her offensive output. She can play the point but she's really not a point and would need more training, i.e., Lady Plum. Best PG in the Draft is Canada.

I'm not stating that Indy shouldn't draft Mitchell @ two, but their needs are much greater in the more key positions like the 3, 4 and 5.

Mitchell would work better on a solid team with key player talent, i.e.. Phoenix, Chicago, Minnesota etc. Basically, Mitchell is a rich-mans Epiphany Prince. But Indy needs to start somewhere and Mitchell might be that player.

Who other than Mitchell?

*Russell is a slothful stiff that shoots free throws like Shaq. Definitely no.
*Gabby is a greatly talented athlete, inspirational and can defend well. Is she the best pro prospect? Might be but there are some questions.
*Billings will be a good big/rebounder and defender but currently has a poor offensive mid-range game and no long game. She hustles and is listed as 6'4". Might be able to trade down for her.
*Canada is a talented inspirational PG, a leader, go-getter and plays defense. The best PG in the Draft and maybe the country (college) currently. Don't think she's the most needed player for Indy with January onboard?
*DeShields has not shown leadership, ability to get along with coaches/players and seems contrary and unhappy wherever she plays. Can she change? Could Pokey control her? No coach yet has.
*Nurse is an all-around 6' solid player offensively, defensively, leadership, pro-ready body, trained ready to go. A proven winner world-wide.

Trade possibilities?

Indy has a tough choice. Could depend on any free agent acquisitions.

Mitchell, Gabby, Nurse, DeShields, Billings or trade down/across.

The choice may become clearer in April 2018.



That makes some sense, but you don't pass on a player as good as Kelsey Mitchell because you want someone who plays a different position, especially if you in need of rebuilding as the Fever are. Tamika Catchings covered a lot of holes, and they don't have any players that should feel safe, and no one nearly as good as K Mitchell should be.

Tiffany Mitchell and Shenise Johnson are nice players that would like to keep, but if you can get a potential Olympian, you take her and figure the rest out. The existing players with value would have value to other teams as well if you really need to move one of them.


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PostPosted: 11/27/17 12:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Shades wrote:


Any chance a team like PHX might be interested in her?
All Ivy League first team and she's from Tempe, AZ


To repeat myself, the hometown connection means almost nothing, especially from such a small school that lost 13 games when she was a senior.


I know it doesn't matter to you, but it can matter to the player and sometimes even to the GM. The Lynx's successful GM always has an eye on the Gophers as prospects. Happy players can lead to a happy locker room. Shae Kelley won a WNBA championship because she was a Gopher. She wasn't a true Minnesotan, but I think Reeve liked her because she would go to all the Gopher games.

With Zimmerman, it's not just about being from Phoenix. She has nice size, guard skills and is a big time scorer.... all nice qualities for a prospect. The Arizona aspect might be a tipping point in a decision, that's all. I know you're new at this, but it can help to look for those tipping points when deciding who might draft who.

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She'd definitely be worth an invite to camp, though, and hopefully generate a couple local media stories.


Wait, you're on record saying that she won't be be drafted? Is she that bad?



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I'm officially saying she will not be drafted, yes. Right now, she has twice as many turnovers as assists and is shooting 25% from three. Last year, bigger sample size, bad A/TO, mediocre three-point shooting.

If Princeton's Naveen Rasheed couldn't get a look, I don't think this young woman will.



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Add up the number of Ivy League players who've had extended WNBA careers, you'll only need one hand, most likely. That being said, Bella Alarie could prove to be an exception in a couple of years.



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RavenDog wrote:

To play Mitchell at the 1, reduces her offensive output. She can play the point but she's really not a point and would need more training, i.e., Lady Plum. Best PG in the Draft is Canada.


Who was the best PG last year? You can't say Plum, because Mitchell is more of a PG than she was in college. Plum realized she was too short to be a serious SG prospect so she went to work her senior year packaging herself as a PG. That's why Plum's agent got pissed when SAN drafted a "PG" when they already had a PG in Jefferson.

People put too much energy into trying to label who is a PG and who is not. It's whatever works for you. Katie Smith is "not a PG", but she led the Shock to a championship. Nobody saw Schimmel as a PG in the WNBA, but she definitely displayed the skills (now she just needs the desire). Like I've said before, the days of the "true PG" are past. You need every position to be able to score.

RavenDog wrote:
Mitchell would work better on a solid team with key player talent, i.e.. Phoenix, Chicago, Minnesota etc. Basically, Mitchell is a rich-mans Epiphany Prince. But Indy needs to start somewhere and Mitchell might be that player.


Hey, if you guys want to let Mitchell drop to #12, I'm sure she'll get snapped up real quick and the Lynx might consider throwing a parade bigger than the WNBA championship parade. Very Happy

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Canada is a talented inspirational PG, a leader, go-getter and plays defense. The best PG in the Draft and maybe the country (college) currently. Don't think she's the most needed player for Indy with January onboard?


You're certainly drinking the Canada kool-aid in this post. I'm more skeptical than you at this point. More data and less cheerleading could help sway me.



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Thanks RavenDog. Now I don't feel so bad about trading away the Dream lottery pick.



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Who other than Mitchell?

*Russell is a slothful stiff that shoots free throws like Shaq. Definitely no.
*Gabby is a greatly talented athlete, inspirational and can defend well. Is she the best pro prospect? Might be but there are some questions.
*Billings will be a good big/rebounder and defender but currently has a poor offensive mid-range game and no long game. She hustles and is listed as 6'4". Might be able to trade down for her.
*Canada is a talented inspirational PG, a leader, go-getter and plays defense. The best PG in the Draft and maybe the country (college) currently. Don't think she's the most needed player for Indy with January onboard?
*DeShields has not shown leadership, ability to get along with coaches/players and seems contrary and unhappy wherever she plays. Can she change? Could Pokey control her? No coach yet has.
*Nurse is an all-around 6' solid player offensively, defensively, leadership, pro-ready body, trained ready to go. A proven winner world-wide.



No disrespect, but this is a bias post....You went negative on DeShields/Russell...while kissing the asses of Gabby,Canada,and Nurse.

Deshields is greatly talented,is a legit 6'0,can defend,and create her own shot....but you said none of this.




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Who other than Mitchell?

*Russell is a slothful stiff that shoots free throws like Shaq. Definitely no.
*Gabby is a greatly talented athlete, inspirational and can defend well. Is she the best pro prospect? Might be but there are some questions.
*Billings will be a good big/rebounder and defender but currently has a poor offensive mid-range game and no long game. She hustles and is listed as 6'4". Might be able to trade down for her.
*Canada is a talented inspirational PG, a leader, go-getter and plays defense. The best PG in the Draft and maybe the country (college) currently. Don't think she's the most needed player for Indy with January onboard?
*DeShields has not shown leadership, ability to get along with coaches/players and seems contrary and unhappy wherever she plays. Can she change? Could Pokey control her? No coach yet has.
*Nurse is an all-around 6' solid player offensively, defensively, leadership, pro-ready body, trained ready to go. A proven winner world-wide.



No direspect,but this is a bias post....You went negative on Deshileds/Russell...while kissing the asses of Gabby,Canada,and Nurse.

Deshields is greatly talented,is a legit 6'0,can defend,and create her own shot....but you said none of this.


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DeShields has more potential than any other player in the draft, but as has been pointed out, potential means you haven't done it yet. She's a roll of the dice.

Canada, despite shooting better in a small early sample size this year, is a career 30.6% three-point shooter, and it is unclear how she will score at the WNBA level. She will not get those inside baskets as easily, and if teams can sag off of her (which will be easier because of her height), she may become an offensive liability.

But if she shoots 40% from three all season, then she will be a very, very high pick.



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No early entries I still think it is a coin toss for Indy between Mitchell and Deshields both have their negatives but Mitchell is an elite scorer and Deshields is a large, athletic 2 way playing wing, both have the pieces to be stars at the next level, and both have the potential to not be as good as their fans think they will be. ATM I still lean towards Deshields if I'm Indy.


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ClayK wrote:
DeShields has more potential than any other player in the draft, but as has been pointed out, potential means you haven't done it yet. She's a roll of the dice.

Canada, despite shooting better in a small early sample size this year, is a career 30.6% three-point shooter, and it is unclear how she will score at the WNBA level. She will not get those inside baskets as easily, and if teams can sag off of her (which will be easier because of her height), she may become an offensive liability.

But if she shoots 40% from three all season, then she will be a very, very high pick.


No one that has seen DeShields play will question if she is a talented player. She is an amazingly talented player. The main question mark next to DeSheilds name is her being able to perform at high level on a CONSISTENT basis. I will rate her being the second best player in the 2018 draft if she can perform at a high level consistently in the Euro league she is playing in right now.



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Rock Hard wrote:
ClayK wrote:
DeShields has more potential than any other player in the draft, but as has been pointed out, potential means you haven't done it yet. She's a roll of the dice.

Canada, despite shooting better in a small early sample size this year, is a career 30.6% three-point shooter, and it is unclear how she will score at the WNBA level. She will not get those inside baskets as easily, and if teams can sag off of her (which will be easier because of her height), she may become an offensive liability.

But if she shoots 40% from three all season, then she will be a very, very high pick.


No one that has seen DeShields play will question if she is a talented player. She is an amazingly talented player. The main question mark next to DeSheilds name is her being able to perform at high level on a CONSISTENT basis. I will rate her being the second best player in the 2018 draft if she can perform at a high level consistently in the Euro league she is playing in right now.


As of right now shes averaging 17.1 PPG 5.9 Rebs 3 Assists 2.3 Steals & 2.9 Turnovers . Id take that on my team any day



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Who other than Mitchell?

*Russell is a slothful stiff that shoots free throws like Shaq. Definitely no.
*Gabby is a greatly talented athlete, inspirational and can defend well. Is she the best pro prospect? Might be but there are some questions.
*Billings will be a good big/rebounder and defender but currently has a poor offensive mid-range game and no long game. She hustles and is listed as 6'4". Might be able to trade down for her.
*Canada is a talented inspirational PG, a leader, go-getter and plays defense. The best PG in the Draft and maybe the country (college) currently. Don't think she's the most needed player for Indy with January onboard?
*DeShields has not shown leadership, ability to get along with coaches/players and seems contrary and unhappy wherever she plays. Can she change? Could Pokey control her? No coach yet has.
*Nurse is an all-around 6' solid player offensively, defensively, leadership, pro-ready body, trained ready to go. A proven winner world-wide.



No direspect,but this is a bias post....You went negative on Deshileds/Russell...while kissing the asses of Gabby,Canada,and Nurse.

Deshields is greatly talented,is a legit 6'0,can defend,and create her own shot....but you said none of this.


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Sorry, but I assumed most of the learned basketball followers already knew the talent of DeShields, as its been discussed and acknowledged many times on this forum and others. You may want to go back and review the discussions on Diamond and the other players and/or watch more of the past and present games available.

My basic but simple analysis could not and did not address all of each player's virtues and weaknesses. If so, it would require a volume and it's really unnecessary for a simple forum discussion.

If Diamond is your favorite choice @ #2, she may very well be the best choice and the one taken. I wish Indiana the best and hope they get the right player, as the league and most fans want them to be more competitive.

As for the bias comment, you may need more maturity.



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What are DeShields field goal percentage and her three point percentage in Europe? My other concern about DeShields is that she might be a flight risk with any of the lottery teams that might draft her.



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DeShields is 6-23 from three (26%), shooting 45% from the field overall. Still only seven games, which is a small sample size, but a pretty decent start for a kid playing in her first games as a pro against generally decent competition.



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Richyyy wrote:
DeShields is 6-23 from three (26%), shooting 45% from the field overall. Still only seven games, which is a small sample size, but a pretty decent start for a kid playing in her first games as a pro against generally decent competition.

Thanks Richyyy for those stats. Where did you get those numbers from? I've tried to find those numbers but could not find a source to retrieve them.



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Richyyy wrote:
DeShields is 6-23 from three (26%), shooting 45% from the field overall. Still only seven games, which is a small sample size, but a pretty decent start for a kid playing in her first games as a pro against generally decent competition.

Thanks Richyyy for those stats. Where did you get those numbers from? I've tried to find those numbers but could not find a source to retrieve them.

http://www.tbf.org.tr/ligler/kbsl/Takimlar?name=TakimProfili3&Sezon=161&Lig=8984&subname=TakimIstatistik3&KulupKodu=75357 for her whole team.

http://www.tbf.org.tr/ligler/kbsl/Oyuncular?name=OyuncuDetay&Code=747594&KulupKodu=75357&Sezon=161&Lig=8984 for her game-by-game numbers.



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As for the bias comment, you may need more maturity.


I just thought there was a lot of "Hyperbole" in your assessment of Gabby, Nurse, and Canada....while not even mentioning the abilities of Deshields/Russell....Just harping on their negatives....

RavenDog wrote:

*Russell is a slothful stiff that shoots free throws like Shaq. Definitely no.

*DeShields has not shown leadership, ability to get along with coaches/players and seems contrary and unhappy wherever she plays. Can she change? Could Pokey control her? No coach yet has.


Indiana selecting Nurse at #2 would be a fireable offense IMO.


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I just thought there was a lot of "Hyperbole" in your assessment of Gabby, Nurse, and Canada.


You're pretty selective on calling out hyperbole. What you think when you see 26% from three described as "pretty decent"? Smile



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I don't think Nurse is a lottery pick, but I do think she could be the steal of the draft. A blue collar player who is willing to play any role she is given. Uconn players are typically pro ready coming into the league. Being a Uconn player boosts a player's draft status. Had Kiah Stokes had the same career she did at Uconn, at any other school in the country, she wouldn't have been drafted or even seriously considered for that matter.



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UK1996 wrote:
I don't think Nurse is a lottery pick, but I do think she could be the steal of the draft. A blue collar player who is willing to play any role she is given. Uconn players are typically pro ready coming into the league. Being a Uconn player boosts a player's draft status. Had Kiah Stokes had the same career she did at Uconn, at any other school in the country, she wouldn't have been drafted or even seriously considered for that matter.


I agree Not a Nurse a Lottery Pick ! Laughing



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UK1996 wrote:
Being a Uconn player boosts a player's draft status. Had Kiah Stokes had the same career she did at Uconn, at any other school in the country, she wouldn't have been drafted or even seriously considered for that matter.


Is that necessarily a good thing? See, e.g., Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis.


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ArtBest23 wrote:
UK1996 wrote:
Being a Uconn player boosts a player's draft status. Had Kiah Stokes had the same career she did at Uconn, at any other school in the country, she wouldn't have been drafted or even seriously considered for that matter.


Is that necessarily a good thing? See, e.g., Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis.


See e.g. Bria Hartley



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Shades wrote:
zune69 wrote:


I just thought there was a lot of "Hyperbole" in your assessment of Gabby, Nurse, and Canada.


You're pretty selective on calling out hyperbole. What you think when you see 26% from three described as "pretty decent"? Smile


26% from 3 is poor.However,DD is shooting 51% from two point range,and 45% overall.Not bad for a rookie playing in a new country.Diamond inconsistent shooting from 3 pt range is correctable.She has a good looking shot.Getting drafted by a team with a coach who knows how to develop talent would be a huge bonus.

Just for comparison:

McBride-45% 2ptfg.7-23 3ptfg,12-13 ft,14.2p/5.8r/2.8a/.8s/.2b

Deshields-51% 2ptfg,6-23 3ptfg,24-33 ft,17.1p/5.9r/3.0a/2.3s/.7b

Diamond needs to cut down on the TO(2.9)...but not a bad stat line for a rookie.Mcbride also has the luxury of playing with two very good wnba offensive players(Vandersloot,Lavender)


I’m not sold on Nurse.She’s a short 6’0(short wingspan,short reach).....I also have doubts about Kia's 6'0 listed height.I saw her play an exhibition game against team USA last year.She was terrible:0p/0a/4r/0-3/3 to in 25 minutes...It was just an exhibition game,and there's still some room for growth.But I was very disappointed in Kia's performance.


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She's not exactly the same kind of player, and she's probably better, but it worries me that people use the same kind of phrases to praise Nurse that they used for Kelly Faris. Sometimes being a pretty-good-at-everything kind of player means you're not quite good enough at anything in paticular when you step up a level. And smarts, work rate and versatility aren't always enough to bride the gap.



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Richyyy wrote:
She's not exactly the same kind of player, and she's probably better, but it worries me that people use the same kind of phrases to praise Nurse that they used for Kelly Faris. Sometimes being a pretty-good-at-everything kind of player means you're not quite good enough at anything in paticular when you step up a level. And smarts, work rate and versatility aren't always enough to bride the gap.


Seriously? You're comparing Kelly Faris to Kia Nurse? You're more educated and knowledgeable in basketball than this. Come on... Smile

What gap or gaps? What are the things Nurse is not very very good at?

Defender?
Leader?
Hustle?
3 pt. shooter?
Midrange game?
Scorer?
Team player?
Intelligence?
Penetrating?
World-wide and National accomplishments?
Olympics?
Canadian National team and accomplishments?
Pro-ready?
Body?
Ruggedness?
Passing?
Rebounding?
Coachable?
Getting along with teammates?
Foul shooting?
Fouling?
Taking charges?
Setting screens?
Temper?
Setting an example?
Speaking?
Play more than one position?
Cheerleading?
Steals?
Attitude?
Intangibles?



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RavenDog wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
She's not exactly the same kind of player, and she's probably better, but it worries me that people use the same kind of phrases to praise Nurse that they used for Kelly Faris. Sometimes being a pretty-good-at-everything kind of player means you're not quite good enough at anything in paticular when you step up a level. And smarts, work rate and versatility aren't always enough to bride the gap.


Seriously? You're comparing Kelly Faris to Kia Nurse? You're more educated and knowledgeable in basketball than this. Come on... Smile

What gap or gaps? What are the things Nurse is not very very good at?

Defender?
Leader?
Hustle?
3 pt. shooter?
Midrange game?
Scorer?
Team player?
Intelligence?
Penetrating?
World-wide and National accomplishments?
Olympics?
Canadian National team and accomplishments?
Pro-ready?
Body?
Ruggedness?
Passing?
Rebounding?
Coachable?
Getting along with teammates?
Foul shooting?
Fouling?
Taking charges?
Setting screens?
Temper?
Setting an example?
Speaking?
Play more than one position?
Cheerleading?
Steals?
Attitude?
Intangibles?


Kia Nurse is the Truth, i love watching her game. You can put check marks right next to every question mark on there for me


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LibFan25 wrote:
RavenDog wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
She's not exactly the same kind of player, and she's probably better, but it worries me that people use the same kind of phrases to praise Nurse that they used for Kelly Faris. Sometimes being a pretty-good-at-everything kind of player means you're not quite good enough at anything in paticular when you step up a level. And smarts, work rate and versatility aren't always enough to bride the gap.


Seriously? You're comparing Kelly Faris to Kia Nurse? You're more educated and knowledgeable in basketball than this. Come on... Smile

What gap or gaps? What are the things Nurse is not very very good at?

Defender?
Leader?
Hustle?
3 pt. shooter?
Midrange game?
Scorer?
Team player?
Intelligence?
Penetrating?
World-wide and National accomplishments?
Olympics?
Canadian National team and accomplishments?
Pro-ready?
Body?
Ruggedness?
Passing?
Rebounding?
Coachable?
Getting along with teammates?
Foul shooting?
Fouling?
Taking charges?
Setting screens?
Temper?
Setting an example?
Speaking?
Play more than one position?
Cheerleading?
Steals?
Attitude?
Intangibles?


Kia Nurse is the Truth, i love watching her game. You can put checks marks right next to every question mark on there for me


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WNBA 09 wrote:
LibFan25 wrote:
RavenDog wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
She's not exactly the same kind of player, and she's probably better, but it worries me that people use the same kind of phrases to praise Nurse that they used for Kelly Faris. Sometimes being a pretty-good-at-everything kind of player means you're not quite good enough at anything in paticular when you step up a level. And smarts, work rate and versatility aren't always enough to bride the gap.


Seriously? You're comparing Kelly Faris to Kia Nurse? You're more educated and knowledgeable in basketball than this. Come on... Smile

What gap or gaps? What are the things Nurse is not very very good at?

Defender?
Leader?
Hustle?
3 pt. shooter?
Midrange game?
Scorer?
Team player?
Intelligence?
Penetrating?
World-wide and National accomplishments?
Olympics?
Canadian National team and accomplishments?
Pro-ready?
Body?
Ruggedness?
Passing?
Rebounding?
Coachable?
Getting along with teammates?
Foul shooting?
Fouling?
Taking charges?
Setting screens?
Temper?
Setting an example?
Speaking?
Play more than one position?
Cheerleading?
Steals?
Attitude?
Intangibles?


Kia Nurse is the Truth, i love watching her game. You can put checks marks right next to every question mark on there for me


My Mom taught me to never tell a fibb ..so ill just plead the 5th Laughing


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My Mom taught me to never tell a fibb ..so ill just plead the 5th Laughing


Quote:
haha Laughing

its cool you can disagree wit me Very Happy

Your awesome , alot of posters dont like when people dont agree with there opinions. The world needs more posters like you LibFan #Seriously !! Exclamation Exclamation



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LibFan25 wrote:

My Mom taught me to never tell a fibb ..so ill just plead the 5th Laughing


Quote:
haha Laughing

its cool you can disagree wit me Very Happy

Your awesome , alot of posters dont like when people dont agree with there opinions. The world needs more posters like you LibFan #Seriously !! Exclamation Exclamation


aww thanks Smile you're awesome too, i am a BIG Skylar Diggins fan so if...if i dont have my team next year im rooting for those Wings Wink


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Nurse just has a wee bit more offense than Faris ever dreamed about. Wink



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